DILAUDID, IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN DO?

[SCARD4LIFE]

I'VE BEEN USING K4'S 4 ABOUT 6-7yrs AND I'VE RECENTLY BEEN PUT ON PROBATION SO I AM TRYING TO KICK BUT I'M NOT HAVING MUCH LUCK.BUT I GUESS MY ? IS IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN DO TO GET IT OUT OF MY SYSTEM FASTER? I HAVE A DRUG TEST IN LESS THAN 36 HOURS AND I'M SCARED AS HELL !!!!! ALSO IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN DO 4 THE WITHDRAWLS ? I HAVE BEEN DOING ABOUT 400mg.A DAY (100 PILLS)I KNOW THAT MIGHT SOUND LIKE ALOT BUT IT'S BARELY KEEPING ME GOING. I'VE ALREADY TRIED THE PROGRAMS AND TREATMENT CENTERS BUT I CANT SEEM TO STOP AND NOW IT LOOKS LIKE I'M GOING TO GO TO JAIL UNLESS I CAN PASS A DRUG TEST. IF ANYBODY OUT THERE CAN HELP ME PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!!

[edd]

It is unlikely that you can get that much opiate out in 36 hours. Half life of a metabolized drug 1/2 then 1/2 then 1/2 sooner or later it is gone, but often detectable in 2-3 days as it is fat soluable (I beleieve). There are various anti-malarial drugs that give a flase positive for opiates. If you could get, justify that it might work. But a cover is the elast of your problem. If your only begining to kick today it is going to suck and be near its worst in 36 hours. Your insides will turn to acid water and you'll need a sock to plug your butt. You'll have no strength and you'll have cramps. Just getting up will casue great pain and dizziness. Do not forget theat the rationale to keep using will be greatest as your pain (to anything) increases.

You can buy Ko pectate, mylanta, tums, anti-diarrheal- and try and start eating better, anything. Take a lot a showers- you'll need to. You will not feel better right away. Physically, you will soon, mentally you may never. Get a piggy-back IV bag any pee some one else's urine through an iv tubing with stop **** located above wrist. Get a doctor to write you for prophylactic antimalarials for an urgent trip abroad that requires these meds. Pray!

[tex3]

First, think of this as a time to really evaluate your life and maybe realize it is time to quit. This could be the catalyst you need. Call the judge and be honest about your problem and that you are seeking treatment, then get help, fast. You will feel like hell, yes, but I believe (and this is from someone who was there not long ago at all) that not only will you feel 1000 times better physically when you are really clean, but you will also feel immeasurably better mentally. You won't be numbing you mind anymore and it's a great feeling.
Do you have a defense attorney? If not, get one to help you with this, even if it's a public defender or court-appointed one. Maybe the judge will order you into a treatment center instead of jail; if so, take it as a gift and get help. I'm not being sanctimonious here I just know how much better being clean feels. It's only been a few months for me but that's made a world of difference. There are many wonderful people here who can help. Talk to Angst; she was also addicted to dilaudid. And good luck. Please let us know how you're doing!

[1fortheroad]

i don't know much about the drug you are taking, but i know a lot about opiates in general.  you are in for a tough withdrawal process, and even tho you've tried clinics or whatever before, you might want to try them again...doing this alone is very, very hard.

maybe you'll just need to come clean with the authorities and try to work it so you can do time in a clinic as opposed to jail.
i never saw any point in putting addicts in jail.  but, i'm not sure exactly why you are on probation in the first place; so it's hard to give advice.

do you have anyone you can talk with?  family, friends - anyone who can help you get thru this?

[skipper]

hey, welcome to the forum.always room for just one more addict
in here so come on in!

cardinal rule of junk: sooner or later everybody does a w/d. you
might go months or years without, but sooner or later everybody

pick your time and place. somewhere comfortable and safe or some-
where else say ...the county jail!

it sounds like your at the end of the line and don't have options
left, so talk to the judge ASAP.

i detoxed from an 18 month MS and dilaudid habit on the floor of
the county jail in johnson couty, ia. i would give very low rate-
ings to the accomodations. i also didn't think i'ld ever get my-
self caught! if you do go the county detention route ask for a
suicide watch. the officials will be a lot more anxious to pass
you on to a hospital if they think your so sick you may harm your
self.

keep posting and keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[GOD]

Angst, Where are you? I think you could REALLY help this person [SCARD4LIFE]!

Didn't you have a bit of experience with Dilaudid?

To you, Scard4life, I'm sorry that I can't help in your situation, as my addiction was Alcohol/Ultram... But I wish you the best in your situation, and remember that even if the worst happens RIGHT NOW, Tomorrow is always a better day, and in the long run you WILL make it if you have the desire!

Good Luck!
Jess

[GOD]

Hey, I see we're both on at the same time.. HA HA
We're both hard at work, AND helping out on the MEDHELP site...

Sorry we STILL haven't gotten together, but work is running me ragged. I'm usually putting in over 12 hours a day here. Thank GOD I am paid by the hour, and not on a salary.. Heheehe

See you soon,
Jess

[angst]

my name is ava, i too was addicted to K4's or stronger if I could get it.  it is an expensive habit, and it strings you out for a long time.  Try buying a mask at the health food store for the drug screen.  That is the best I know on such short notice.
The other thing is get someone else's urine, put it in a baggie, and disguise it while you puncture it.  
then get to a high dose methadone clinic.  federal law has changed allowing you to dose up to 150mg per day at a clinic.  they will not start you out on a low dose if you are taking a high dose.  on my streets, 100 K4's would cost me 5,000 bucks a day.  i shot up to 5 pills a day, but like i said it is expensive as hell.  this is my second trip to the methadone clinic, but it is the only way i can stay off the needle.  i dose high.  but i do not crave or have using dreams.  rehab only made things worse for me.  na with the methadone clinic works.
the methadone clinic i use offer me counselling and group therapy.  i hope i've been some help.  keep us posted.  i will pray for you tonight.  i hope it helps.  100 a day.  i thought i had seen a lot when a chic i knew who dealt was taking 70/day.
Get a mask or someone else's urine for now.  This forum is for addicts helping other addicts.  Let us know how you make out. Ava

[vikequeen]

Dont they take into consideration the temperature of the urine, in my past experiences it had to be a certain temperature for them to believe it came from you. I also heard drinking like 2 gallons of water. just my 2 cents good luck and God bless to you. Baddgirl

[1fortheroad]

yes this is a forum for addicts helping other addicts...that's obvious.  um...it sounds like you are an addict, which is why you posted here right?  i hope you came here for support in quitting as well as passing a urine test...

haven't seen you post back altho many have answered your original question.  i hope you took some of the advice from people here...they have A LOT of experience and know what they are talking about (for the most part).

[GOD]

Hey, I'd like to wish you all a GREAT weekend, and for all of you guys that are planning or are undergoing withdrawl / Detox this weekend, GOOD LUCK! I know it is hell, but just think how much better you will feel on monday!

Love you ALL,
Jess

[Witchywoman]

I've got to weigh in with groovy on this one...especially with all the people we have going through detox right now, it's a little disturbing to see someone post about how to pass a urine test. I know he also asked about what withdrawals are like. I guess I'm a bit reluctant for us to share information on how to pass a drug test on this site. There are other sites that are easily found on a search engine that will give that information out and I'm not sure it's in our best interest for us to do that.

But, we can agree to disagree. This just wasn't sitting right with me. I know I'm not the staff of this forum and it's not up to me if it's ok to post how to pass a drug test. I don't mean to sound uppity, but had to express my two cents on this one.

I wish the poster a lot of love and luck and hope that they are able to get clean and healthy again.

And...it's ok to disagree with me!

love,
WW

[SCARD4LIFE]

I JUST WANTED TO THANK EVERYONE WHO RESPONDED TO MY ? I'M SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYBODY WITH THE DRUG TEST THING BUT I WAS JUST SO WORRIED ABOUT IT THAT I COULD HARDLY THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE. BUT ANYWAY I'M ON DAY 2 OF THE W/D'S (IT SUCKS SO BAD) BUT I'M  GETTING BY SO FAR. I JUST WANTED TO LET EVEYBODY KNOW THAT AFTER I READ YOUR COMMENTS I FELT BETTER , IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE ACTUALLY PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT CARE ENOUGH TO HELP SOMBODY LIKE ME. ANYWAY THANKYOU VERY MUCH. BY THE WAY I DIDNT EVEN HAVE TO TAKE THE DRUG TEST.(THANK GOD) BUT IT GOT ME TO WAKE UP AND KNOW THAT I HAD TO QUIT USING. ANYWAY THANKYOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


                         THANX,
                           SCARD4LIFE

[angst]

I am glad you did not have to take the UDS.  I do hope you will stop your addiction.  At the rate you were going, you may need medical advice.  At least a trip to the ER, they are used to addicts going through withdrawl.  I worry about you doing this on your own.  Good luck and Blessings.  I am glad you are quitting.  Keep posting, even if you feel like ****.  We want to know how it is going.  Ava

[dlm]

Not sure what dilaudid is, but I'm in the process of detoxing myself now at home with clonodine and valium....I've been using vicodin and percocet for 2 years now on a daily basis, and it just came to the point that there was nowhere left to get it!!  So now I'm supposedly getting better by using this stuff, which makes me feel like I can hardly even move and I so much just want to stop and find some painkillers.  This had been the scariest time of my life, and if anyone had any suggestions, please let me know!  I'm soooo depressed I can hardly stand it, and my husband just doesn't want to even talk about it (oh no, then HE might have to deal with it) and I'm scared to death!

[OxyDout]

I've never seen you post, if this is your first time, or if you want to get answers to your questions, you need to post closer to the top of the page, anyway, your first problem is obvious.  You want more pills???!!??? Well, we all do, we are all the same, however, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO QUIT!! because if you don't, you never will.  Secondly, I don't know about your relationship with your husband and whether or not he uses but I don't think you should be angry with him.  I mean, yea, hes your husband and yes he should be there for you, but you shouldn't get mad at him for not wanting to discuss it.  The way I see it is that I have the problem, I screwed up, so if anyone close to me doesn't want to deal with it, then I won't bug them, why should I get mad at them? they, ("they" being our loved ones) didn't get me started, and they sure as hell don't want to get themselves started. Instead of being mad at him, give him some credit for accepting your faults................I just wanted to respond to you the way I look at my own situation.  Anyway, stay strong, face up to all that you are to blame for and lastly, LOVE YOURSELF, take the time to realize that your MUCH BETTER THEN THESE DUMB LITTLE PILLS!!! Take Care,

GWH

[mrmichael67]

Sorry GWH but I can't resist, is there a way for someone to insert their post in at the top of the page?  And, I agree.  I think DLM just want more pills and be out of the feeling like ****.  DLM, think of it this way:  You have gone this far, you are probably half way there physically.  You might as well keep on going.

[mrmichael67]

The clonodine is what is making you feel like you can't move.  I know of one person who was in detox/rehab and was getting out of her room on all fours because of the clonodine.  If I were you I would toss it in the shitcan.  You can get by without it.  And, like I said, you are almost there.  Just keep going.  Before you know it, you will feel so much better.  Just don't pick up again.  It just keeps on getting worse each time you do it.

[skipper]

dlm:
welcome to the forum. there will always be room for just one more
addict! i am sure you will be able to find any of a number of peo-
ple who are, or recently have been exactly where your at. if you
keep posting, i'm sure you will benefit from  this forums knowl-
edgeable membership.

gwh:
damm, that was one fine post of yours, previous to this one. you
certainly seem to "be coming quite along" with your recovery. hey
i'm not being sarcastic or anything like that either....i'm ser-
ious!

both of you, keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[tex3]

Hi dlm, and welcome. What gwh meant I think about posting higher up, is you'll get more responses if you post to the most recent question. More people probably scan that. But anyway welcome and we're here to help.
When I was detoxing I couldn't get out of my mind how I felt so shitty and if I just had one pill I'd get relief, it would make it all go away. And it would have, but then I would've gone through the whole dance again. So stick it out or down the road you'll have to repeat these awful days.
Like yours, my husband didn't really want to talk about it. He accepts it now but still doesn't discuss it. He wants to think of me as normal, someone who just had a problem because I started out in chronic pain. But all the same he helped me through, kind of, and more important I helped myself and when I needed to understand the whole process I researched it and came here for support. Non-addicts don't really get it, which is okay. In a few weeks you will get to where it doesn't consume every thought. I never thought I'd get to where I didn't think about pills constantly. But hang in there because it does happen and you will feel miles better sooner than it seems possible. Of course, it's hell until you get there!
You feel so lethargic because of the detox stuff and you're not eating and probably losing fluids. That will all pass. In another week the physical part is over. Then you can tackle the mental stuff. Hang in and we're here for you. Let us know how you're doing, okay?
Tracy

[Sturgil]

First I am new to the forum. I take 12 to 15 10/500 per plus 2 Soma's each time I pop. I get all my meds from online services. Not only am I going broke and have tons of CC debt I also see these pills messing up my job and home life. This is the second time around for quiting. Since the 4th is coming up I am using the 4, 5, 6, and 7th to recover. The leg cramps are bad. However. Ben Gay takes it away. Alos last itme I drank slim fast so I get the right amount of vitamins. Last time I did not throw up or get sick. I was a the same level. It felt like the flu. I am so encouraged to read the posts. My Christian shrink told me to do the following. Pray and lean on GOD, set up a schedule to reduce the amount you are taking and then go cold turkey. He also said (this worries me) that wine can also help with the pain. I have never been a drinker but I will try it. (maybe) Please pray for me. I know it is pure heck to go through. About 4 days of a bad flu plus weeks of cramps. Can anyone help with other ideas? I am sick of the pills and want to recover the real me. I know I will be depressed. However I have already started taking Wellbutrin 3 times a day to help out. We are all in the same boat...the monkey will always be in the tree above us just waiting to get on our back again. Last time I quit it felt like I had lost a good friend. My point is this, when you quit there is a hole, it needs to be filled with something. Last time after I quit I had an affair 2 weeks later. This time I am going to put God in this hole. I have started reading my Bible each day. God has really given me tons of direction. I ask for you all to give me feedback and encourage me. After I am clean I will do my best to help others. Thank you all in advance. I hope this is posted in the right place. I do not know how to use message boards.

Sturgil

[mrmichael67]

Sorry Tracy, you're right.  I didn't think about that.  Duh!  And, sorry GWH.

[dlm]

First of all, yes I am new to the forum so I'm not really sure how to just post at the top of the page.  Secondly, I didn't mean to sound like I meant "screw detox, just gimme more pills"  I just meant that feeling this way seems like a hard road to travel when I'm used to just getting pills and feeling better.  I decided to get honest yesterday and call my husband at work and finally admit I had a problem.  I then took myself down to Kaiser and begged for help to get me off this.  An hour before my appt. I got a call offering me some much needed vicodin, and I said NO! Not that that was an easy thing to do, but I had convinced myself that this is what I need to do to keep my family intact.  I had never heard of the process of detox, but this has just been pure hell.  I have been severely depressed all day, and have no clue how to deal with it.  It feels very lonely, and I have to thank you guys for taking the time to talk to me.  Good luck you all, and I appreciated the suggestion to start reading my bible.  My husband suggested the same thing today.  I know it's not his problem, but a little encouragent wouldn't hurt I don't think.  Anyway, thanks everyone.  I'll letch know how it turns out.

[OxyDout]

ok guys, this ESPECIALLY GOES FOR MR. MICHAEL, you jackass!!!! hahhaa, just kidding, (i'm laughing out loud right now) oh god, anyway, what I meant was, this forum has many posted threads of which we can post a response to.  I believe, and forgive me if i'm wrong, but i do believe most of us will only scan over the first few questions  at the TOP OF THIS PAGE. So, if you post a response on a thread that is towards the mid to lower part of the page, not too many people will see it, right? hahah, too funny.

good luck to all of you.

GWH

[IrishRose]

Hi Sturgil- when I read your post I had to read it again to be sure I read right. Your shrink suggested ethyl alcohol ( wine) to help you detox??!! Good greif! You were right to have a weird gut feeling about that one. Make friends with your liver before it's too late. It is likely already somewhat annoyed with you due to your habit so don't insult it any further. What credentials does this shrink have? Do they have an M.D. behind their name or are they a psychologist or MSW?  Setting up a taper schedule sounds good for a start and you may want to read some other posts on this forum regarding a vitamin and amino acid recipe some folks swear by in helping them detox. You are right about addiction leaving a hole in your life. Mine always looks for a way to manifest itself in my life even though I've been clean for awhile now. A spiritual path has been my best help in staying clean so far but I also attend a 12 step program. Don't rule those out either, NA and AA both have websites you can learn about these programs or likely your town has a hotline for these organizations as well.  I wish you well, I'll leave the detoxing advice to others on this forum who know more about it than me. I got free of booze/benzos and cough syrup ( yes cough syrup!) some years back and am grateful to have my life back. Hang in there, let us know how you are doing.