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Sub Docs- Just my Experience
I just was thinking and wanted to get off my chest how messed up my sub doctor is, and while I am sure there are many decent ones, I bet half are just like mine. She charges $120 per visit (even though I have excellent insurance) and while I was taking 60-140mg of OxyCotin per day, as well as 2-4 10/325 Percocet per day, she kept me on subs for over a year. She also suggested I start Adderral which I had no experience with but SHOCKER- I ended up abusing that too! Just frustrating that I put my faith in a doc and they were just using me to make money. OK, rant done!
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They are as crooked as can be- no care and concern for the patient, only $$$...my doc put me on subs back in 2004 for an oxy addiction and claimed I wouldn't have any withdrawals when coming off of it- he kept me on it for 10 years. I used to ask if I could be taken down a few mgs and he would just overlook it. I wasn't going to a sub doc, I was at a clinic and he would only be there on Fridays. It was rare for me to even get in to see him. I would tell my counselor that I wanted to talk to the doc and nothing seemed to get done. I finally quit on my own 20 days ago- jumped from 8mgs. Screw them for taking so much money with no care or concern how we as human beings are doing. Take care
Sorry you had a bad experience. Did your doctor not accept your insurance? If not, you should have found one that did, if possible.
As for the length of time, that's typical for most sub programs, about a year, and there are legitimate rationales behind that.
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of cruddy sub docs out there, but there are also a lot of decent ones. It's not the money making deal it once was, believe it or not. This is why I advocate for people to DO their homework, and understand as much as they can about sub, and what things to look for to find a GOOD clinic/doc.
Problem with that is, most people starting out are desperately looking for a way out of w/ds, so they would think anything sounds reasonable. It's only until down the line that they realize they should have been more cautious choosing a doctor (and even deciding to go that route).
Are you off the subs completely now?
As for the length of time, that's typical for most sub programs, about a year, and there are legitimate rationales behind that.
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of cruddy sub docs out there, but there are also a lot of decent ones. It's not the money making deal it once was, believe it or not. This is why I advocate for people to DO their homework, and understand as much as they can about sub, and what things to look for to find a GOOD clinic/doc.
Problem with that is, most people starting out are desperately looking for a way out of w/ds, so they would think anything sounds reasonable. It's only until down the line that they realize they should have been more cautious choosing a doctor (and even deciding to go that route).
Are you off the subs completely now?
What's the old American Capitalist saying, "Buyer Beware?" The hypocritic oath is the only accountability across the board. It's hard to have free enterprise medicine and no free enterprise corruption, sad but true. At least you know now and get the rest of your life to live be your new knowledge. I have a lot of resentment about this too, but I decided not to let it hurt me anymore. Now I simply try to be part of the solution.
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My sub dr was $225 per month per visit and i rec'd i think 84 8mg per month and paid cash for that. Do i think there are some responsible sub drs, sure. Do i think they are the norm, NO! And Weaver's right, i didnt research anything, i just went and rec'd....assuming that b/c she was a dr, she wouldnt hurt me. I have a negative opinion of subs and sub drs, not b/c i dont think they work, b/c I know they do...but b/c i dont think they explain how subs work. There's alot about subs i didnt know until i decided to quit and came on this forum. I felt really stupid, like, how did i not know this? The $$ bothered me, but after awhile i had to realize i just switched from one drug to another????
I think about the long, slow taper process for subs (something i also didnt know about until the people on this site told me) and honestly, i think its rediculous! It would have taken me almost 3 years to taper and not have any w/d??? That to me is just assinine!
I think about the long, slow taper process for subs (something i also didnt know about until the people on this site told me) and honestly, i think its rediculous! It would have taken me almost 3 years to taper and not have any w/d??? That to me is just assinine!
I agree completely. I was so desperate to stop the pills and heard a commercial on the radio about a website which ultimately promoted subs. I read that info, which of course was all slanted toward the positives and boy did they help...until I was hooked on those. I should have come here first!
That is seriously just criminal. I agree, all about the money. Good for you for jumping right off, must have been SO difficult, but I hope getting better every day.
You know exactly how I feel about the nightmare that is suboxone! it is totally unethical what is allowed to happen. I have been through a similar plight and am now 34 days clean, Suboxone will never cross my lips again, ever!Doctors are not what they used to be, it is all about the money now.I wish you the best! Keep me posted, you are not alone in this, but it gets easier. XX, C, That first month is a nightmare.
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