Does anyone have a question

[OxyDout]

Hey guys, I was able to post this morning, but I figured I would take this spot and allow anyone and everyone to use it as an open forum to ask questions and not worry about breaking the thread.  So, if you have a question, ask it?? Good luck to all of you and in the words of our own "forum leader"

"Keep an angel on your shoulder"

GWH

[skipper]

gwh:
i'm too much of an anarchist to be a leader! i just wanna' hang
with you guys and exchange expierence, knowledge, about addiction, and recovery there of.

now lets see recovery....i got up at 3:30 this morning and have yet to "dose with anything today" and feel "mostly ok" ....i hope i've finished with a bup detox any way, as i won't have another day of it...

if one exams past threads, they will notice abcense of leadership  
is definite characteristic of this forum...it does seem to have
it's cycles too!

so anyhow to everyone how about a big "howdy from an old cow town
on the dirty mo. (the one north of another dirty old cow town on
the mo. (hey i'm also living in a former ground zero!)

i'm still cussing the dawn, and everything else unjust and wrong
i just wonder somedays what the ____and does any of this make a
difference to any one else...it can really get to to seem futile.
ya' know all we really have on our side is our ability to change,
and friends who want the same...

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[angst]

How do you want to change?  You have chronic pain, and will you continue to treat that?  Your wisdom would be a good quality as a leader, if others think we need one.  You express much experience, strength and hope.  As I understand this, you periodically detox, then you will go back to treating your chronic pain, correct?  
It makes sense to me.  You want to give your body and mind a break from the chemicals.  I am stuck on the methadone for a couple of weeks, then I will decrease by 20mg over a month.  I have to do this slowly, as I am working.  Also for my mental health, I think the slower way will probably be most helpful.
I have yet to find my tarot cards.  I will purchase another set as soon as I can afford it.  It should be within a few weeks.
I follow Yung's philosophy of reading for myself.  I think it will be helpful.  I never told you I rekindled a friendship from
my alma mater.  Actually we have been friends since age 3 or 4 years old.  It is long distance but so fulfilling.  I hope all is well with you and I.R.  Good luck and Blessings, Angst

[skipper]

ava:
one thing bout kip, ain't nobody that hasn't got something i need.
addict's crave and desire to connect with other addicts, using, in
recovery, relapsed...ya know the whole wheel of change. change is
the only "true reality" there is. at this point in my life, i find
i need to draw from friends who want to adapt change....

keep an angel on your shoulder

[angst]

Thanks for your wisdom.  I understand people who want change.  Some people bore quite easily.  Transition affects all of us.
I wonder when the drugs no longer satisfy the place in one's life, you have to change.  Not always a choice, sometimes it is.
What is adventageous to me, may not be for everyone else.  I do not like to take anyone along with me on that.   Thanks and best wishes.  Angst

[GOD]

Hey... I just got back in town from the big M [Minneapolis]-- so I Just got your message from Saturday! How goes the detox? feeling O.K.?
This is the big week, as my Aunt is moving down here from the Minnesota. Got a house by beaver lake.. Pretty nice. She's been weaning down on the Morphine, and hopefully, we'll get her onto Ultram... At least she'll be out of the "Cloud" she's been on for the last year. It's amazing how much of her personality is returning with the reduced dose she's on right now.

By the way, when you detox, do you rotate your Meds when you go back on them? I mean, do you have one month with Oxys, detox, then go to something else?

Anyway, have a great (if not hotter than HELL) day!
and keep the Keeshound on the shoulder!
Jess

[GOD]

Hi there, Ava!

Glad to see you're doing/feeling O.K.

I just wanted to know how you're going about the reduction of the Methadone Maintenance. It would scare the hell out of me to start the reduction, but I have no experience with Meth withdrawals. The worst I've ever had to deal with is about a week of hell coming down from 30-50 (YES) Ultram per day. I didn't taper, as I didn't have the will not to pop them all into my mouth if I had them! So I had my week of hell with the runs, shakes, depression, etc, etc.. But I found that high doses of 5htp and KavaKava helped me greatly. I wish you the best of luck with your situation, and I'm glad that the Meth saved your life (regarding the Dilaudid addiction)...

Love to you...
Jess

[Hinkster]

Hello everyone. Good idea on the open forum. I can ask a couple
of stupid questions and not feel bad. What is antaganist. Also
what is bilingual and one more I see all the time. What is exactly is half-live. I see these words all the time but don't
really know what they are.
Thanks
Tom

[OxyDout]

to answer one question, I think you mean "sublingual" and I believe that is a pill which is put under the tongue until disolved, rather then injected. "half-life" I believe is the amount of time a substance stays within your system after the initial intake.  So, thats my take on those 2 terms, "antagonist" I'm not to sure of............... but skipper or someone else can post the answers....................

[GOD]

Hey, Everyone!

Face it.... WHen we were using, it was FUN. Yes, it took a lot of time making sure we had our supplies, BUT-- it WAS fun. I find myself really bored during the evenings. I've got a great job that keeps me pretty busy during the day, but those HOURS at home sure tick by SLOWLY. I go to 3 or 4 AA meetings per week for something to do, and they DO help keep the Booze and drug cravings away, BUT, does anyone have any other suggestions for things to do for a recovering addict? The constant seeking was a game that took hours per day to play......

Anyone?

Thanks,
Jess

[skipper]

tom:
bilingual means ability to speak two languages.
sub-lingual means under tounge. i believe both words derive from
the latin "lingus" for tounge

half life in pharmacology half life is the amount of time for 1/2
of the total amount of a specific amount of drug to be metabloized
out of you system. methadone has a long half life. oxycodone a
short.
antagonist....in drugs a substance that Ties up receptors without
activating them. naloxone is a narcotic antaganost that ties up
mu (i believe) receptors. it's value is life saving in an overdose
situation. another antagonist is used like antibuse for opioids. i
believe naltrexone is being used this way

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[skipper]

jess:
if you don't want to be board, then don't!!
3902615
it's too damm hot to put my dog on my shoulder and besides he goes
all Bob Snarlly on me.

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[hippy]

hey gwh , your opening was very clever, on top of that it has been a good reading all thet down.
it is sreaming hot and humid here in philly,
but life is good,
I once read some where " the man who reads is seldom bored"
as we stay clean our life may be boring at first, but then it
get's so busy with responsabilites , that we soon will wish for bordom.
every one is different , and i know some people have sever back
pain that can be life changing.

peace to all, and thanks for being here, we need ya.

[sissy101]

Just got home from work and found message from my sister.  She is frantic because she has to undergo a drug test tomorrow for work and she said she "slipped" and did use an opiate 7-8 days ago.  She swears she has increased her attendence at NA but does not want to lose her job.  Does anybody know if its possible that opiate will show up after this length of time?  She really has been doing well and I would hate to see her lose her job.  Thanks everyone.

[skipper]

hey anyone:
like i said i just wannna' hang with you guys....so far no opiates
of any kind....i feel "ok"!!! going to see pain psych. tomarrow...

there is something bothering at me....and i can't even put it into
words.....i only hope i get it worked out before tomarrrow. my pain
psych "freebe." tomarow at university med center! i'm real tired of
all this pain clinic/addiction/keep/lid/on............!

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[Lexie3]

Hi,
I'm new to the forum.  It's taken me a few days to get the courage to write down what I've been going through.  And let me say as everyone else who enters this forum does that your support and respect for each other is very apparent.

I started taking Vicodin about seven...had a root canal, etc., and realized that my addictive personality enjoyed taking them a little too much.  I am an on-again off-again user.  I will go to the doctor for "back pain" (there is some here and there but I don't need drugs for it) and I'm on my way within a couple of hours with a prescription.  Once I realized how easy it was, I took advantage.  Okay...this is the hardest part - the part I've never confessed.  I went through my head the other day of how many pills I've probably taken - not only from prescriptions, but from friends' cabinets.  I think I've stolen pills from just about every friend of mine.  Of course I would always justify it..."well, they're not using them."  "Am I stealing if I take aspirin out of their cabinet?"  Anyway, I guess you could call me a binger.  I have a very addictive personality.  If I get a bottle of Vicodin, it's gone within a few days.  The most I've taken in a day was nine, but I'll throw down a few beers with them too and convince myself I can handle it.  The truth is that I'm tired of counting pills, tired of binging every few months.  
I have a five month old who is the most important thing in my life, and a wonderful husband who knows I've "dabbled" but has no idea to what extent I've stolen, lied and cheated.  
I went on another binge this last month and probably took 60-80 pills within a 30 day period.  I knew I'd feel like **** for three days once I ran out, but I convinced myself I could handle it.  I was even taking it easy this time, trying to limit my intake to three a day once I realized I don't feel the pills after a certain amount.  Funny enough, this was the worst time I've had yet!  I had horrible cramping, two days of the runs, awful depression, basically the flu.  I'm feeling good today (day five), but I just don't want to do this anymore!  Can anyone give me some words of wisdom and encouragement?  Sorry to ramble, but this is the first time I've gotten it all out!

Thanks :)
Lexie 3

[lifeisbetter]

Just checking in with you. How are you? Please keep posting. I'm sorry I haven't responded to your posts. I've been out all week with Strep throat. Yuck..but I didn't use! I really want to see how you did this weekend. Whether your pill free or not, you belong here. Just wanted to let you know I was thinking about you. Hugs

[hippy]

welcome, i to was addicted to vicidin, and was taken
4 or 5 a day for severe\ pain in rotator cuff s , i two operations, well when the doc stoped the  giving me the pain meds , i continued to take them , i got them on the sreet.
some where in the 2nd year i crossed a line and stsrted to take like 10 to twenty pills a day , i i kept trying to stop, with know sucsess , untill i found this fourm and started to find out what i was going through, and a way out with out going to a rehab or a detox,
i have been clean since good friday around aprial 1 /02
I have been takeing the  receipe, known on the fourm as thoma's receipe
l-tyrosine 500mg 8 tims a day, week 1 after that 4 times a day.
b-6 100 mg 2 times a day
vit. A - C  and e
calsium-magnisum
magnesse
phousphous
copper
a strong multy vitamine
  in the 1st week imoudium for the run,s whitct deplete us of most of our nutreints and add to the pain of withdraswls.

bannas help  a lot with leg spasams and rest less leg syndrome.
gatoraide helps with replaceing lost electrolites.

the best thing about the receipe for me is how it took away the severe depression, from withdrawls.  the depression was a big stumbling block for me during those times i tried to kick on my own.

good luck and keep posting  , i wish you well, and rember you are not alone.


peaxce  -------michael

[jeaniec]

thank you! now i have the recipe. i was taking 20 10mg hydrocodone (any or all kinds) plus i was taking about 20 soma at night until my husband died from them. i'm down to aroung 6 hydros aday. thats pretty good for me. i don't have any real pain i'm just an addict. but who knows i may have severe arthrist(spelling?)  i wouldn't know cause i've been taking lots of pills every day for about 3-4 years.
anyway, thank you .  jeanie
p.s. i'm going through some really bad withdrawals right now! i haven't had a puill since yesterday around 2:00pm. but i took around 25 mg of a 100mg moraphine pill last night. it was all i had.

[jeaniec]

is this how?   jeanie

[Hinkster]

I had to leave right after I posted that question. I didn't have
time to thank ya'll for the response. By the way I did mean
sublingal. Thanks again I see those terms in most of the posts
now I know what they mean.
Tom

[1fortheroad]

where are you?  i thought you were going to stop lurking and show your face?   come on...you can do it:)

[skipper]

jeaniec:
yup, ya'got it!
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[OxyDout]

I still can't believe you go to Richardsons.........but anyway, I went to Dr. Kishores office, YOU WERE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!! First of all they had the Secretary Nazi, He was this latin American guy who was just so fuckn rude.  He kept telling me to call Blue Cross to get my "PCP" number, I kept asking what for, do I need a referral?? He said no.  The Whole time he was trying to get me to switch my primary/family Dr. to having Dr. Kishore as my Dr. I paid my Co-pay of $15 and never saw the Dr. So I asked for it back, he wouldn't give it to me.  To make a long ugly story short. I got infront of the 2 of them, the secr. and the Nurse Practitioner and told them to go **** themselves, ripped the money out of his hands and then tore up all the paper work I signed, the lady started yelling and out of nowhere I told her a few things........... god, NEVER AGAIN

[skipper]

jeaniec:
whats up? i told you i'ld check on ya. please post

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip