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Help with withdrawal
Hello - i amnew to this forum although i've been "lurking" for some time now and reading all the stories and information i could on addiction and how to get my life back. I have a question. I was taking a ridiculous amount of tramadol (I'm too embarrassed to even say how many) and i want to stop them taking them. They are taking over my life and it's all going down hill from these little white pills. Anyway, i have a refill from my doctor for a neck injury a few months back, and I thought i could use the 120 Darvocet to get off the tramadol. I got my Darvocet yesterday and immediately took 2 tablets and threw the tramadol in a drawer (hopefully never to be heard from again :) ) That was yesterday about 2 pm so it's been 24 hours ... i'm feeling okay, about the same as i would on the tramadol except i can now eat. Can someone give me an idea on how i can use the Darvocet to get me off the tramadol? Like I said, i took 2 yesterday at 2 pm. I took 2 more at 5 pm (4 for yesterday) and then i've already taken 6 today. I'm just unsure how to spread these pills out so that i am off the darvocet and subsequently the tramadol for good. Any advice? Anybody ever done this before? Have you had success? I would appreciate any information or insight anybody could provide to me.
this "switch" is just that. you are just trading one narcotic for another. they are slightly different but essentially just the same. you are not in withdrawal because you are still taking the same amount of opoid. this is not helping you at all.
I took Darvocet and I smoked H.at seperate times. Both gave me nasty withdrawals. Nuff said?
Maybe the fact each Darvocet pill has 650mg of Tylenol?
Maybe the fact each Darvocet pill has 650mg of Tylenol?
First thing, I would throw the Tramadol in the toilet, not the drawer. They are most unlikely to STAY in the drawer. Some would say that you're already planning to use them. If not, why do you still have them?
Second, I don't know that it's wise to use Darvocet to get off Tramadol. Darvocet is a mild opioid. Tramadol is touted as a non-opiate, but the way it is metabolized in the body ends up turning it into one by the time it hits your brain. So, it too hits as a mild opioid. Thus, you're pretty much in the same boat except you can eat now.
But eating is a good thing. You can't be healthy if you don't eat and your brain chemistry will be even more FU than the regular AFU state for most long-term users. I know all about not eating while using - I carry a picture in my wallet where I'm about 40 pounds lighter than I am now. I'm not overweight now, but it the picture I look like I was just released from a Nazi death camp. The amazing part is I thought I was doing OK at the time.
The best answer is probably for you to get yourself into rehab. But I'm assuming you want to try the self-help program for now. The long term stats are not too good for self-help recovery, but it's a path most of us go down, frequently a long way down, before we're ready to ask for help. I know I started trying to quit on my own in 2001 because it was clear that things were way out of hand and I was in TROUBLE. I stayed on a veritable rollercoaster of using-clean-using-clean-using (with each period of use being worse than the last and each attempt to get clean being more serious than the last) until I finally hit a 28 day rehab in late 2004. Relapsed within 36 hours and was off to the races again until I went to long-term rehab 4.5 months later, where I stayed for exactly 4 months.
The sustained Recovery stats for rehab aren't that good either, but they get much better the longer the rehab lasts and dramatically better at around 90 days. According to a recent article in Time, the brain does a virtual re-set at or around 90 days. See http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1640436,00.html
Assuming you're not leaving for rehab anytime soon, I would strongly suggest three things:
1) Start going to NA or AA meetings. Begin today and commit to at least 90 meetings in 90 days.
2) Get the book End Your Addiction Now, by Charles Gant, and follow the instructions from Chapter 4 as far as what supps/amino acids you need to treat/restore your brain chemistry.
3) Let your doctor know that you're in trouble and that you need help.
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Second, I don't know that it's wise to use Darvocet to get off Tramadol. Darvocet is a mild opioid. Tramadol is touted as a non-opiate, but the way it is metabolized in the body ends up turning it into one by the time it hits your brain. So, it too hits as a mild opioid. Thus, you're pretty much in the same boat except you can eat now.
But eating is a good thing. You can't be healthy if you don't eat and your brain chemistry will be even more FU than the regular AFU state for most long-term users. I know all about not eating while using - I carry a picture in my wallet where I'm about 40 pounds lighter than I am now. I'm not overweight now, but it the picture I look like I was just released from a Nazi death camp. The amazing part is I thought I was doing OK at the time.
The best answer is probably for you to get yourself into rehab. But I'm assuming you want to try the self-help program for now. The long term stats are not too good for self-help recovery, but it's a path most of us go down, frequently a long way down, before we're ready to ask for help. I know I started trying to quit on my own in 2001 because it was clear that things were way out of hand and I was in TROUBLE. I stayed on a veritable rollercoaster of using-clean-using-clean-using (with each period of use being worse than the last and each attempt to get clean being more serious than the last) until I finally hit a 28 day rehab in late 2004. Relapsed within 36 hours and was off to the races again until I went to long-term rehab 4.5 months later, where I stayed for exactly 4 months.
The sustained Recovery stats for rehab aren't that good either, but they get much better the longer the rehab lasts and dramatically better at around 90 days. According to a recent article in Time, the brain does a virtual re-set at or around 90 days. See http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1640436,00.html
Assuming you're not leaving for rehab anytime soon, I would strongly suggest three things:
1) Start going to NA or AA meetings. Begin today and commit to at least 90 meetings in 90 days.
2) Get the book End Your Addiction Now, by Charles Gant, and follow the instructions from Chapter 4 as far as what supps/amino acids you need to treat/restore your brain chemistry.
3) Let your doctor know that you're in trouble and that you need help.
CATUF
868
Darvocet is an opiate just like tramadol, hydro, and oxy. Not as strong, but still an opiate. So, using one opiate to detox from another isn't wise. In fact the half lives of these two drugs are surprisingly similar..7 hours or so. You can try taking them 3 days or so and then weaning off. Or just stopping. Changing one opiate for another just prolongs the withdrawals I'm afraid.
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