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doctors should pay!
jUst a thought if you have a doctor that prescribes high ammounts of prescriptions that totally strings you out dont you think its fair that when youre ready to quit that the doctor should pay for treatment? Maybe that way they will think twice about prescribing hundreds of pills a month .
Whatcha think?
Whatcha think?
Yeah, to be honest, I wouldn't turn them in for the same reason. Just goes against the grain. As long as it wasn't affecting my neighborhood like you said, or a family member. Try reasoning with them first, then take the next step.
I suppose that's selfish of us, not to "care" if it's happening in someone else's neighborhood, but hey, we're just trying to get by. I don't recall putting on red & blue long johns with a big "S" on the chest when I get dressed in the morning, do you???
I suppose that's selfish of us, not to "care" if it's happening in someone else's neighborhood, but hey, we're just trying to get by. I don't recall putting on red & blue long johns with a big "S" on the chest when I get dressed in the morning, do you???
You are right, for sure. Ratting is just something this old man has engrained in his head. I could have gotten off pretty easily on a Coke thing some years back, had I been willing to rat on this Columbian family. Well of course I knew that I would be killed should I give anything away, but believe it or not, my main reason was simply that I am NOT a rat....I am a lot of assholes sometimes, but not one of them is a rat's *******......Teeeeny little thing a rat ******* hih? Hee Hee.
No those gigantic scripts fro 500 lortabs are really obscene, Like your example, 500 lortab 7.5s, 150 percs. those 2 mg xanax bars, and more. Ridiculous. This kind of doc is a dealer no better no worse than any other dealer on the street. Now if there was a gang selling dope in my neighborhood, I would physically stop it personally or with acquaintances (like Kevin Nash the wrestler......LOL--Yes I do know him, or did, used to give him $20 tips at a strip joint where he was a bouncer....He doesn't need the tips anymore, his last movie was "The Longest Yard" with Adam Sandler. That said, if they kept dealing I "might" turn them in to the law, but that it a bit different than being a rat. The dealer docs, will get caught on their own. I won't go to one of those docs in the first place, so cannot turn one in unless I go and know first hand what the truth is. They should be popped just like any other street dealer, but the DEA is pretty good at taking care fo these guys without my help. I simply don't go to them.
My own PCP for example rarely prescribes pain meds to anyone and only gives me 100 for a month and 30 xanax for sleep......This is adequate, but certainluy not overkill. I don't know if the OP here would consider this quantity enough to turn in, but I know that my doc would not deserve it.
No those gigantic scripts fro 500 lortabs are really obscene, Like your example, 500 lortab 7.5s, 150 percs. those 2 mg xanax bars, and more. Ridiculous. This kind of doc is a dealer no better no worse than any other dealer on the street. Now if there was a gang selling dope in my neighborhood, I would physically stop it personally or with acquaintances (like Kevin Nash the wrestler......LOL--Yes I do know him, or did, used to give him $20 tips at a strip joint where he was a bouncer....He doesn't need the tips anymore, his last movie was "The Longest Yard" with Adam Sandler. That said, if they kept dealing I "might" turn them in to the law, but that it a bit different than being a rat. The dealer docs, will get caught on their own. I won't go to one of those docs in the first place, so cannot turn one in unless I go and know first hand what the truth is. They should be popped just like any other street dealer, but the DEA is pretty good at taking care fo these guys without my help. I simply don't go to them.
My own PCP for example rarely prescribes pain meds to anyone and only gives me 100 for a month and 30 xanax for sleep......This is adequate, but certainluy not overkill. I don't know if the OP here would consider this quantity enough to turn in, but I know that my doc would not deserve it.
you are right, but I'm more concerned with doctors who either don't explain the quality of the meds they're giving you, or do it to make some quick cash from a visit. I mean, come on, a doctor gives someone a big 500 pill bottle of vicodin once a month, you can't tell me that he isn't aware of what's going on! And that's on top of the 100 percocet's , 50 prozac, etc...(I know someone who gets these kind of prescriptions. Sells alot of them. He's always telling others to go the doctor to get med's, offers to buy up the excess to sell).
Granted, the above scenario is rare (I hope!)
I agree, you shouldn't turn on them...but at the same time, if they'd act responsibly, they wouldn't be in danger of being reported.
Granted, the above scenario is rare (I hope!)
I agree, you shouldn't turn on them...but at the same time, if they'd act responsibly, they wouldn't be in danger of being reported.
I am quite against reporting docs, particularly when they are responding to pleas from their patients who are claiming that they are in serious pain. Reporting docs would simply add to the many many docs who won't prescribe meds when people need them.....Now I am speaking PCP, our regular docs....My doc prescribes Norco for me, but he absolutely does not overprescribe, under if anything.
We can't use a doc to supply our addiction for years, then turn them in......not fair. It is OUR responsibility to eat or not eat a pill
Now if its one of the docs that is in business just to prescribe pain meds and Xanax for everyone who walks in the door, I would undertand a bit more, but still not be rat. The DEA and the cops already has their eye on them. One good way to have them look at you too is to report them...Then you get on the "watch list".....I am against ratting for many reasons. With my background, ratting might have saved me some jail time, but it might have also gotten me killed. This thing with reporting our regular PCP docs for negligence, when they give you what you are asking for is a bit over the top. I've known some cops and I've certainly had interface with many of them, and one thing you can "bet on" is the very first suspect in any situation like this, is the person who reports it. I do undertand the anger I see here, when the doc overprescribes and is negligent, but it depends on who the doc is. If its your PCP then just talk to him, stop asking for pills, and there is no longer an issue. If its one of those docs that get rich giving oxycontins to anyone with $150, then just don't go to this doc. You can't however report the doc for this, if you don't have first hand experience....Put 6 people in a circle and tell a story to the first person. You tell the first person "A white man got on a bus, with a pocket knike he was using to cut his fingernails. He cut his finger a little while trying to trim his nails. He passed a black man reading a newspaper, and sat down in the back of the bus. By the time the 6th person repeats the story, "A black man got on the bus and stabbed a white man reading a newspaper" Folks biases influence their choices of words and put things out of context. My point is you just can't believe everything you hear about these docs until you go yourself and find out.
We can't use a doc to supply our addiction for years, then turn them in......not fair. It is OUR responsibility to eat or not eat a pill
Now if its one of the docs that is in business just to prescribe pain meds and Xanax for everyone who walks in the door, I would undertand a bit more, but still not be rat. The DEA and the cops already has their eye on them. One good way to have them look at you too is to report them...Then you get on the "watch list".....I am against ratting for many reasons. With my background, ratting might have saved me some jail time, but it might have also gotten me killed. This thing with reporting our regular PCP docs for negligence, when they give you what you are asking for is a bit over the top. I've known some cops and I've certainly had interface with many of them, and one thing you can "bet on" is the very first suspect in any situation like this, is the person who reports it. I do undertand the anger I see here, when the doc overprescribes and is negligent, but it depends on who the doc is. If its your PCP then just talk to him, stop asking for pills, and there is no longer an issue. If its one of those docs that get rich giving oxycontins to anyone with $150, then just don't go to this doc. You can't however report the doc for this, if you don't have first hand experience....Put 6 people in a circle and tell a story to the first person. You tell the first person "A white man got on a bus, with a pocket knike he was using to cut his fingernails. He cut his finger a little while trying to trim his nails. He passed a black man reading a newspaper, and sat down in the back of the bus. By the time the 6th person repeats the story, "A black man got on the bus and stabbed a white man reading a newspaper" Folks biases influence their choices of words and put things out of context. My point is you just can't believe everything you hear about these docs until you go yourself and find out.
That has to be the most pathetic thing I have ever heard on this forum. You enter a place of business and ask about their services. Then enter into a contract stating you will tell the truth about previous docs you have seen. Current meds your on. You answer (dah) non doc. But I am alergic to ibuprofen. After he examines your terrible back pain that shoots down the back of your leg. He says some medical terminology spoken with a heavy accent that you cant understand anyway. He says what do you take for pain? This you understand, So you try and play it cool and not get to greedy, so you say percocet10/325. Oh and a muscle relaxer, whats it called ? carisp!@#$@. He says SOMA? You say your right thats it. Well 90/10mg percs, and 90 soma later. You have such a rush when you get back to your car that you almost pee on yourself. The doctor should not have to pay for anything, Most dr shoppers dont pay the doctor in the first place. Next time you go into a doctors office to score, think about telling the truth, Then and only then he'll be able to do his job and you will have taken your first step to sobriety!
It's a tricky call. In the past, doctors were people who were trusted with your health. You expected them to be fully knowledgeable about the medications and treatment they gave you. It was THERE JOB.
But it's become clear that doctors are no longer responsible, or capable of being responsible. We're caught in a tug of war between government stated law, social viewpoint, big business (companies making the drugs), insurance companies who want what's cheap, not what's best for you, and threat of lawsuit against practitioners. In the middle of all this is you, the patient.
So we have to realize that the situation has changed. You have to take the time to research your own treatments now, the drugs you're offered and the doctors you're seeing. It shouldn't be this way, but it is. Many addicts I talk to ended up in the situations they're in because of their misplaced trust of the medical industry.
So you HAVE to take responsibility for this stuff yourself. In the end, very few will care if you live, die or suffer.
But it's become clear that doctors are no longer responsible, or capable of being responsible. We're caught in a tug of war between government stated law, social viewpoint, big business (companies making the drugs), insurance companies who want what's cheap, not what's best for you, and threat of lawsuit against practitioners. In the middle of all this is you, the patient.
So we have to realize that the situation has changed. You have to take the time to research your own treatments now, the drugs you're offered and the doctors you're seeing. It shouldn't be this way, but it is. Many addicts I talk to ended up in the situations they're in because of their misplaced trust of the medical industry.
So you HAVE to take responsibility for this stuff yourself. In the end, very few will care if you live, die or suffer.
If the doc prescribes appropriately and we abuse the meds, its our own fault. If though the doc is one of these pain docs that will give anybody script for a $98 visit, then its shared responsibility, as a person goes to those kind of docs for selfish reasons....Ultimately "we" are responsible for our own actions. Even if the doc does not get into the chances for addiction the info provided by the pharmacy does, and we should read it. My doc is pretty strict on pain meds in the first place. I get a certain number of them for my pain, but I am at the point where I won't ask for a larger quantity and he would not increase it anyway. Also I won't put him under more scruitiny from the DEA by asking him to give me a stonger med. I take a Class III med. I won't ask him for oxycontin, which may be better for omy painand easier for me as its only one pill instead of 4-6 or more of the hydro, because I won't put my doc between a rock and a hard place.
168 percs every two weeks!!...good god. Thats a lot!!...I mean I could take that easy, but I never had a doc prescribe me that much. I would be in trouble..
I know of a girl who was taking mass quantities of vic's, blamed her doctor, made him pay for a total blood transfusion to avoid withdrawl, and it didnt work....
i dont think the doctors should be responsible to "pay" for treament but i do think that they should certainly be there to help with w/d's when you go to them and are honest and upfront instead of leaving u to deal on your own.
I'm on the fence too about that one... at the very least, if they are blatantly over-prescribing it is negligent, and they should be reported.
Personally, my doc's were all pretty responsible with it. Once they saw me going through it too fast, they said "uh uh - get back in here - you're masking the pain..."
I found other means to supplement...
Personally, my doc's were all pretty responsible with it. Once they saw me going through it too fast, they said "uh uh - get back in here - you're masking the pain..."
I found other means to supplement...
I have to say I was very lucky with my OBGYN Doc. She was very compassionate and understanding. She had me on percs for years from pain issues and surgeries (by then I was already an addict tho and that I didnt tell her, I wasnt ready to quit until the last big surgery i couldnt b/c I knew I had to have a hysterectomy and would need painkillers) So after that surgery, she gave me a few more scripts, offered me more until July (when I could go to detox that she recommended if I couldnt do it at home) and I only took one more script in May. However, I didnt even try to taper. For me that is never an option. I have a bottle of pills, I take as many as I can. She was so helpful though in the way that she actually wanted to HELP me get off the meds as she knew by then I was addicted cuz I told her so. She had been giving me 168 percs every two weeks. Plus I was getting more from friends. Basically, there are caring docs out there but rare to find.
There are a lot of people who need the meds and when you recieved the big scripts I'm sure your body lit up like a christmas tree.......
Addiction is a sickness and if you would of told the doctor that your were an addict I don't think he would of given you a lot of narcotics....
What needs to change is medical care to those who become addicted and want to get better right now unless you have top notch insurance your pretty much ignored and are left alone........
Josh you have to accept some responsibility nobody forced you to start taking narcotics.........
but I hear what your saying.but to get a doctor to admit responsilbility that I don't see not in this world.....
Addiction is a sickness and if you would of told the doctor that your were an addict I don't think he would of given you a lot of narcotics....
What needs to change is medical care to those who become addicted and want to get better right now unless you have top notch insurance your pretty much ignored and are left alone........
Josh you have to accept some responsibility nobody forced you to start taking narcotics.........
but I hear what your saying.but to get a doctor to admit responsilbility that I don't see not in this world.....
For me it was completely my fault! I got them legitimately from my Dr. and another Dr. and then Internet so I knew what I was doing and my Dr always questioned my continued usage! She trusted me to take them as prescribed and did not overprescribe them. I do believe there are some Docs who are a little too liberal when prescribing narcotics but ultimately, the responsibility lies with ourselves! I could see myself getting sucked in little by little but CHOSE to ignore it, always justifying usage because of my pain....I can't speak for everyone but I do think we ALL have at least some degree of responsibility! No one ever had to force a pill down my throat and I know people that refuse narcotics just due to the fact that they are so addictive!
I am on the fence.............
I think if the dr followed a total course of responsible treatment, than "we" are at fault for going over and above what we agree as patients to do.
It is a trust issue with the dr's and we break that and violate that by taking 3 or 4 times the amount. If you lie to get refills and they give them, it is sitll our fault
Now, if you have a very irresponsible dr who just turns a blind eye to an obvious addiction, then yes, I think the dr is not only responsible but should their DEA privledges revoked!
I think if the dr followed a total course of responsible treatment, than "we" are at fault for going over and above what we agree as patients to do.
It is a trust issue with the dr's and we break that and violate that by taking 3 or 4 times the amount. If you lie to get refills and they give them, it is sitll our fault
Now, if you have a very irresponsible dr who just turns a blind eye to an obvious addiction, then yes, I think the dr is not only responsible but should their DEA privledges revoked!
I think we all need to take responsibility for ourselves and our actions. Doctors write the script but we get in our car walk, in the door to the pharmacy and fill it.
My doctor when i sadi i wanted to stop the pills said it was a bad idea and I walked out of her office and said i am doing it
she would up my meds too easy for me and looking back all my pain was the pills
thinking my pain was getting worse it wasnt it was the writting out more every month so i never have to answer to her if i took over the amount to her either so I agree with you but
Tapering is the cheaper way to go as the drug company is making way to much on us as is .
she would up my meds too easy for me and looking back all my pain was the pills
thinking my pain was getting worse it wasnt it was the writting out more every month so i never have to answer to her if i took over the amount to her either so I agree with you but
Tapering is the cheaper way to go as the drug company is making way to much on us as is .
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