Kraton

[lindaloutara2]

Has anyone used Kraton while tapering off of methadone?  Is it safe?

[VICourageous]

I finally got that med after I could not sleep for 22 days and my Anxiety was on the moon..Now I did come of a 12 year use of Methadone, but when I had to start tapering off, by the Dr, I stated to add Adderral to stretch it out..I do not have adhd so this was like my crank days in the 70-80s. I also took a benzo at night to come down so this is why it took me so long to detox this all out.
I could only take the BP med at night. It did help me get a few winks in but as with everything else it does take TIME..Also by taking it at night only it did clam me down a bit. It was not until I got back home and started to do my own Vit/Min thing. I never did that recipe because I had my own that worked OK. You can also pick up a powder called 'Calm" it has the magnesium and other things in it to help you calm down and not stress as much..There are TONS of vit/min that you can take but they ALL take time to kick in..Right now drink TONS of water and maybe put some Lemon in it..Try drinking some Tonic water too because of what is in it..Make sure you are eating very healthy because this is were you can get the fast fix on the vit/min..Just know that Methadone is very synthetic and the more synthetic the longer it takes to leave the body. Your Brain will start to balance out it chems, hormones and such and then you will also start to feel physically better..Just hang tight and ride that surf board..YOU will be walking in the sand soon..Have Patience my Friend. We are here for you all the way.
PS..Pick up the Protein Powder and add some berries to make a shake. This has some amino acids in it too. The berries are a great antioxidant.
Yes there is so much more you can do but in time you will find out what gets you going and what calms you down when it come to food and vit/min. Hang tight!!
Bless

[Jinx_777]

i would only take it if the withdrawals get bad.  heck, if you can get through this without it, then don't take it.
usually helps with the anxiety and restlessness

[lindaloutara2]

Hey Guys!  My doctor gave me a script of Clonidine 0.1 mg.  When did you guys start taking them? The bottle says to take  1 by mouth twice daily but I am not having bad withdrawal symptoms as of yet and have heard that if I take this for over a month I could have a heart attack if I stop taking it.  Is this something I should just take 1 of when the withdrawals are so bad I can't stand it and if my blood pressure gets high. Over 140?  I have a blood pressure checker thingy that should be arriving in the mail any day now. I still need to go get all of the vitamins and stuff. I am just wondering what experiences you guys have had, what did you do and what was the outcome?

Hope everyone is well.
Thank you
Lindsey

[gnarly_1]

I sent you a message

[lindaloutara2]

It's ok about the joke, I just didn't get it, that's all. Nice tom meet you MsD and Darrin.  Thanks for the support.

[Yesidid]

I'm glad you are here too Lindsey and I'm sorry about causing confusion. It was my fault for referring to a joke made by Weaver - who we all respect very much. The joke had nothing to do with you and became an unnecessary distraction. Weaver is right, this is no time for joking. My name is Darrin and like everybody else, I am glad you are here. I am also very sorry you are struggling right now.  Please stay with us. There are a lot of wise people here who have been where you are right now and can offer great advice.

[Ejm7263]

So glad your here. I'm 16 days off methadone. I did exactly what everyone on here told me to. I couldn't take coming off one not feeling well then having to detox off it. I'm only up for one time.

7 years ago I started taking a lot of hydrocodone, probably 120 month, herniated disc I progressed to whatever I could get my hands on. About 5 months ago my doctor added methadone on top of everything.
I did this;
Sublingual B12
Mag/zinc/cal 4 in morning & 4 in afternoon on empty stomach
LLysine 2 in morning & 2 in afternoon on empty stomach (just amino acids replacement)
B6 with LLysine it makes it work better
Multivitamin I do flinstones because it absorbs well
Epsom salt baths (their the best for leg discomfort & anxiety)
Also water, water, water (flavor packets if only way to get it down, even if it comes back up)
Protein bars, shakes but really watch sugar & caffeine (enough to keep from having a headache on top of it all)

I did not take anything for vomiting & diarrhea. I wanted all the poison out of me

And every day but one I went to an AA or NA meeting, got a sponsor. Most important.
Message me anytime. I feel better 1 second & the next like I can't walk. On day 10 it took me 4 hours to get dressed for a meeting. Put on 1 item of clothing, laid down for 10 minutes & so on. It's been worth it. Most of my bad physical are gone skin crawling anxiety & such. This morning I woke up & did ok.
I'm so glad you found us. Their are so many people in here to help.
Message me anytime day 16 is so much better than any other day in the last 7 years & I took a lot of stuff....

[Sweetness91]

You are doing GREAT! Tapering down on methadone is so hard. But you're doing it! That's what counts, and that is what you need to focus on. At this point, I think the only thing I would add is the items on the Thomas recipe. Sooner or later, you have to detox...completely. And I think your decision to abstain from the Kratom is a very wise decision. Because that too, would involve a detox process I think. Just keep on the path you are on, and you will be ok :) Great job btw :):):)

[msdelight]

Hi Lindsey sorry about the name mix up! See, you're not the only one who is confused! Lol. Isn't it it nice not to be alone? That's the best this about this forum. My name is Laura aka MsD.  Glad you decided to post before trying the kratom to get more info. Its natural in the beginning to want to find a remedy or cure but the truth is you just have to go through it. Its bad to replace one drug with another because that doesn't really solve anything does it? You still have to withdraw from something eventually.  I think you are are doing very well on your taper. Please stick around. You will find a wealth of info and support here.  Love, MsD

[dominosarah]

People have experienced confusion, anxiety, diarrhea etc.  I am glad you are staying away from it.

[lindaloutara2]

and don't worry, I am not getting into the Kraton. I had just never heard about it until yesterday.

[lindaloutara2]

I am so confused.  "yesidid"  made the "gopher" statement.  I just didn't understand, thats all.

[weaver71]

Sorry Linda Lou, I think my gopher reference went too far . I was joking and know you are not in a joking space. Just surrender to the process. It will be best that way, in the long run.

[lindaloutara2]

Thanks.  My name is Lindsey ( Linda-Lou ) is my childhood nick name.  Not Linda.
What is your name?

[msdelight]

No Linda it was just sort of a light hearted comparison (the gopher that is) not the kratom. Hang in with your taper, moving forward only. Kratom will set you back. We are all rooting for you.

[lindaloutara2]

"Gopher Problems"  ?  What do you mean by that?  Changing my way of thinking from thinking this is a HUGE problem   to This isn't a Huge problem, Its minor and in the grand scheme of things, this is just a minor set back that I will make it through
?  Is that what you mean?

[Yesidid]

It's tough I know but from "changing your mind set" to "gopher problems" you've heard it from the best we got to offer. Kratom is a dirty unregulated opiate like substance that will just screw with you more. Get clean. Get healthy. Scary but soooo possible and you are soooo close!

[lindaloutara2]

Ok, I was just wondering if anyone has had any experience with it.   I have just never heard of it until last night. On the 13th I see the Dr. to start a 6 week Saboxone taper.  Im super happy with that.  This puts me off of everything around November 27th!  Iam down to 60mg of methadone, i will stop more Monday or tuesday.  I am very tired today and I have to work tonight and REALLY DO NOT want to go to work.

[mlynn2014]

For what it's worth I've heard many many people with horror stories of kratom withdrawals too.

[atthebeach]

Lindsey please try to change your mind set. please don't look to other drugs or continuing to self medicate.
use vitamins, healthy eating, time and patience will be your healer.

the kratom is addicting, it also has withdrawal symptoms and detox involved.it will only prolong your methadone detox.
you are doing great with your taper. please be patient with the process.
it will take time for your body, mind, emotions and spirit to heal.
it will heal. please just continue your taper. if you need to slow down a bit then do that.

here is the link for the amino acid protocol.
http://www.medhelp.org/user_journals/show/8215/Fladdicts-amino-protocol

keep the faith hun you are doing awesome.
Debbie

[gnarly_1]

Hi  well Kratom has crossed our forum b/4 it is a southeast asia bush that has opioid property's as for helping I dont belive it will and it is also addictive so you will be trading one drug for another some have used it but we have not herd annything good about it I would stay away from it if I where you there is way to many what ifs about this drug and it is iligel in most states......Gnarly

[Jinx_777]

do a search on here about dangers of kratom

[lindaloutara2]

Ok.  What are the dangers of it? What own set of problems?  Is there somewhere I can find this information?

[msdelight]

Kratom can be very dangerous and comes with its own set of problems. Please stay away from it. There is no magic fix. The only way out is through. God bless. Keep moving forward!