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Life's decisions and what they mean to those around us.
I can't speak for others, but for me, years of methadone addiction and the disease helped me become a very selfish individual.
With every day getting better, it becomes clearer to me the vast amends I must make to family and friends alike. Materialistic desires have but all vanished from my thoughts and are now being replaced with a desire to help repair emotional damage that I have caused without knowing until now.
The main benifactor of my relentless self pity and emotional wreckage was unfortunately my daughter as I was the only parent that was around to spend time with her. Mom was gone emotionally and physically most of the time so we went through life together.
Her undying love for her Dad and was shaken when after a car wreck, I was airlifted to the hospital and given Nubain. Since I was an opiate addict, detox occurred almost immediately and I began to yell and move uncontrollably. From the waiting room, my daughter heard me and ran back to see what the problem was only to encounter an ER doctor reviewing my chart and finally reading that I was on methadone. When she asked what was wrong, he yelled, "Your Dad is nothing more than an Addict.". Even in as rough a shape as I was, I still remember her face.
Forgiveness is easily attained simply by asking but the emotional pain and suffering of those around us could take years to repair if at all.
Most of us here have found a way to get back our lives. But what about those victims we left in our paths? Do they not deserve the same dedication and time we spend on ourselves?
God Bless,
Mike
With every day getting better, it becomes clearer to me the vast amends I must make to family and friends alike. Materialistic desires have but all vanished from my thoughts and are now being replaced with a desire to help repair emotional damage that I have caused without knowing until now.
The main benifactor of my relentless self pity and emotional wreckage was unfortunately my daughter as I was the only parent that was around to spend time with her. Mom was gone emotionally and physically most of the time so we went through life together.
Her undying love for her Dad and was shaken when after a car wreck, I was airlifted to the hospital and given Nubain. Since I was an opiate addict, detox occurred almost immediately and I began to yell and move uncontrollably. From the waiting room, my daughter heard me and ran back to see what the problem was only to encounter an ER doctor reviewing my chart and finally reading that I was on methadone. When she asked what was wrong, he yelled, "Your Dad is nothing more than an Addict.". Even in as rough a shape as I was, I still remember her face.
Forgiveness is easily attained simply by asking but the emotional pain and suffering of those around us could take years to repair if at all.
Most of us here have found a way to get back our lives. But what about those victims we left in our paths? Do they not deserve the same dedication and time we spend on ourselves?
God Bless,
Mike
regarding the detox recipe for opiates...
I am the spouse of another doctor created addict...probably his 2nd besst enabler, as he has severe medical conditions which his doctor happily over prescribes for
Can you validate for me that at a certain point in opiate overuse that vomiting diarehea stomache cramping and pain will occur almost as soon as the level of narcotics dips below the accustomed dosage?
No, wait. If I get a reality check, I might have to deal with it. Reality, I mean.
I want to offer some herbal advice for the detox recipe...Lots (no less than a quart,daily, hot or cold)of chamomile tea with a capsule of valerian, when the valium runs out, or before, if you prefer not to switch seats on the titanic...Milk thistle, 1 to 3 capsules a day to support liver functions and move toxins out, burdock root to promote sweating, chickweed and 3 to 6 caps of chorella for promoting good health and sense of well being, amazing source of b vitamens and amino acids plus iron magnesium, vitamen a, k and c....I would happily recommend it in addition to your detox recipe, and for a daily maintainence schedule after initial withdrawl.
The hardest part sometimes, I think, is not picking it back up again. The drugs, I mean. I can't stand that I have lost my husband to a time released reality glitch. And that he seems to prefer it that way. And what on earth can match the feel good of morphine? It hurts me to the core.
Best of luck to the person looking for the withdrawl recipe. you will be in my thoughts and prayers.
I am the spouse of another doctor created addict...probably his 2nd besst enabler, as he has severe medical conditions which his doctor happily over prescribes for
Can you validate for me that at a certain point in opiate overuse that vomiting diarehea stomache cramping and pain will occur almost as soon as the level of narcotics dips below the accustomed dosage?
No, wait. If I get a reality check, I might have to deal with it. Reality, I mean.
I want to offer some herbal advice for the detox recipe...Lots (no less than a quart,daily, hot or cold)of chamomile tea with a capsule of valerian, when the valium runs out, or before, if you prefer not to switch seats on the titanic...Milk thistle, 1 to 3 capsules a day to support liver functions and move toxins out, burdock root to promote sweating, chickweed and 3 to 6 caps of chorella for promoting good health and sense of well being, amazing source of b vitamens and amino acids plus iron magnesium, vitamen a, k and c....I would happily recommend it in addition to your detox recipe, and for a daily maintainence schedule after initial withdrawl.
The hardest part sometimes, I think, is not picking it back up again. The drugs, I mean. I can't stand that I have lost my husband to a time released reality glitch. And that he seems to prefer it that way. And what on earth can match the feel good of morphine? It hurts me to the core.
Best of luck to the person looking for the withdrawl recipe. you will be in my thoughts and prayers.
You have been asking for some advice for your upcoming detox. If possible I would see if you could get some clonidine from a doctor (or you can actually find it online). IMHO, I think it more than anything else will ease the symptoms. You need to be very careful with it, however. Since it lowers your blood pressure its best to eat a lot of salty foods and drink gatorade to keep your blood pressure up. My blood pressure dropped dangerously low during detox. So please be careful if you go this route. I would like to know if others agree with the help clonidine can provide.
Best of luck, you'll be in my prayers. Please keep us posted of your progress. You can beat this!!
Best of luck, you'll be in my prayers. Please keep us posted of your progress. You can beat this!!
here it is. don't forget to read the warnings and fine print before usuing it. Good Luck! Thomas
Thomas Detox Recipe
PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas
This recipe is designed for cold turkey opiate detox. It assumes that you can get about 5 to 7 days away from your job or household responsibilities during which you can sleep, veg and act as miserable as you feel. Opiate WD mimics the symptoms of the common flu, so, if you need a smokescreen, hide behind a bad case of the flu.
If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.
For the Recipe, You'll need:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.
During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.
At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.
With breakfast, take the mineral supplement.
As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
PLEASE NOTE: If you have any medical complications, first check with your doctor before detoxing to verify that this regimen is safe for you.
Thomas Detox Recipe
PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas
This recipe is designed for cold turkey opiate detox. It assumes that you can get about 5 to 7 days away from your job or household responsibilities during which you can sleep, veg and act as miserable as you feel. Opiate WD mimics the symptoms of the common flu, so, if you need a smokescreen, hide behind a bad case of the flu.
If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.
For the Recipe, You'll need:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.
During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.
At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.
With breakfast, take the mineral supplement.
As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
PLEASE NOTE: If you have any medical complications, first check with your doctor before detoxing to verify that this regimen is safe for you.
This is the Thomas Recipe, all items available pretty cheap at WalmArt (Thanks MethMan),
l-tyrosine 1000 mgms 4 a day week 1 ,2 a day the next weeks.
b-6 100 mgs 2 a day
vitimines A c and E 2 A DAY OF EACH
A STRONG MULTI VITIMINE 1 A DAY
ZINC 1 ADAY
COPPER 1 A DAY
PHOSPHORUS 1 ADAY 500 MGMS
MANGANESE 1OMG 1 A DAY
CALSIUM-MAGNISUM 1 A DAY
IMODIUM FOR THE 1ST WEEK
Gatorade for Electrolites
Three Hot showers a day or HotTub
I also added L-Glutamin, an Amino Acid, also available just about anywhere.
Also (and this is number one for me) is asking Jesus Christ for help and forgivenessm, which by the way, I do not deserve. But then, this is the definition of God's grace - undeserved kindness. I believe He wants me clean, so I am asking for His help.
I will pray tonight for you and LivingDeadGirl...
Rex
l-tyrosine 1000 mgms 4 a day week 1 ,2 a day the next weeks.
b-6 100 mgs 2 a day
vitimines A c and E 2 A DAY OF EACH
A STRONG MULTI VITIMINE 1 A DAY
ZINC 1 ADAY
COPPER 1 A DAY
PHOSPHORUS 1 ADAY 500 MGMS
MANGANESE 1OMG 1 A DAY
CALSIUM-MAGNISUM 1 A DAY
IMODIUM FOR THE 1ST WEEK
Gatorade for Electrolites
Three Hot showers a day or HotTub
I also added L-Glutamin, an Amino Acid, also available just about anywhere.
Also (and this is number one for me) is asking Jesus Christ for help and forgivenessm, which by the way, I do not deserve. But then, this is the definition of God's grace - undeserved kindness. I believe He wants me clean, so I am asking for His help.
I will pray tonight for you and LivingDeadGirl...
Rex
I'm a newcomer,I have a problem with opiate addiction.You name it in the form of a pill.Pain killers are my demon.I really want to stop the hell,and get peace back in my life.I HAVE TO DO THIS FOR MY CHILDREN.I heard there is something out there called Thomas Recipe,or The Recipe.Could someone please tell me what this is,so I could try it.I appreciate it.
Desperately Yours,
InHell
Desperately Yours,
InHell
I get refills that often. But..my script runs out in about 2 months. the Dr. has cut me off.
Suz
Suz
What do you do the rest of the month...after you run out? Do you have more than one dr. going at the same time?
That's how I was with hydros, percs whatever...my script would be gone in a few days.
I use one bottle in about 4 -5 days and it is supposed to last one month.
Suz
Suz
Do you use the nasal spray? Is that the only form Stadol comes in? Most doctors I've spoken with around here would never prescribe it. It has a bad reputation...for good reason I guess. How much of it do you use per day?
I used it once, and it made me feel really weird...spaced out and sick to my stomach. I didn't like it. I guess that is a good thing.
I used it once, and it made me feel really weird...spaced out and sick to my stomach. I didn't like it. I guess that is a good thing.
Can you all post where u are from when u post? It is so cool that we are allove the country..the amzing internet! I am from Tallahassee.
Lizzy..Plz remember that stadol is very addicting and much more poptent than morphine. I have been addicted to it for over 10 years! hope you feel better! I put ice bag on my head and it helps dull the pain tremendously!
thx,
Suzie
Lizzy..Plz remember that stadol is very addicting and much more poptent than morphine. I have been addicted to it for over 10 years! hope you feel better! I put ice bag on my head and it helps dull the pain tremendously!
thx,
Suzie
Congrats on readying yourself for phase 3. You're already doing what it takes to help you heal. The first couple days, just hang strong. It's tough, but worth it. Keep repeating to yourself that "This WILL pass". Because it will.
Day 3, you're more than likely gonna still feel pretty rough. But if you can, TRY to get up and move. Walk outside if there is space where no one will hassle you. It will take your mind off the situation and will help make you feel better. Also, just sitting under a hot shower did wonders for me. They temporarily take the skin crawls and aches away so you can get a small break in the action.
One thing.... I don't think I saw where you were getting any detox meds from your doctor. If that is the case, you may want to rethink that option. Clonidine helps early on as does Ibuprofin and a mild muscle relaxer. Your doctor can figure that all out... that's what I'm using and others have as well.
Word of caution: Clonidine, while it helps early in the process will also make you feel pretty fatigued later on. It's a BP med that also helps with detox somehow. There's a fine line with this one. You need it up front, but I'd suggest tapering off after 7 days. But then, your doctor will know what's best, not me. I can only speak with what I've experienced. And IF you doctor prescribes it, don't stop abruptly. I did that and thought my head was gonna come off. Those things are powerful.
Remember.. It WILL pass. You'll come out the other side better for the journey.
God Bless,
Mike
Day 3, you're more than likely gonna still feel pretty rough. But if you can, TRY to get up and move. Walk outside if there is space where no one will hassle you. It will take your mind off the situation and will help make you feel better. Also, just sitting under a hot shower did wonders for me. They temporarily take the skin crawls and aches away so you can get a small break in the action.
One thing.... I don't think I saw where you were getting any detox meds from your doctor. If that is the case, you may want to rethink that option. Clonidine helps early on as does Ibuprofin and a mild muscle relaxer. Your doctor can figure that all out... that's what I'm using and others have as well.
Word of caution: Clonidine, while it helps early in the process will also make you feel pretty fatigued later on. It's a BP med that also helps with detox somehow. There's a fine line with this one. You need it up front, but I'd suggest tapering off after 7 days. But then, your doctor will know what's best, not me. I can only speak with what I've experienced. And IF you doctor prescribes it, don't stop abruptly. I did that and thought my head was gonna come off. Those things are powerful.
Remember.. It WILL pass. You'll come out the other side better for the journey.
God Bless,
Mike
I post, it says too many people are using the site, then I post again and both my posts show up. Geee
I got out of bed at four am in the morning to take a restroom break, stepped on a toy figure my daughter left in my room, moved backwards verry quicly and fell over my clothes basket and slammed my head into some very hard furniture my dad made. My husband said I could have killed myself the way I was laying there with my head all crooked, all I could see is stars., he thought my neck was broke. Huge lump on my head, but after a visit to urgent care this afternoon because my foot was really bothering me again and I was told I rebroke my ankle.(I broke both of them in early september.fell in a hole that was covered with pine needles, a deep hole) Which had just healed. More Hydro prescribed today, fifty with one refill. My entire body hurts from my head to my foot. SO now I have percs and hydro in my house again. I took three hydro's today as I can barely walk with the foot and I look like the hunchback from notredame because of my back. Even my ass hurts..from what I don't know. So I guess I really screwed up. I'm still going to have my husband keep the percs, but I don't know if I can handle him hiding hydro's all over the house and me having to call him on his cell phone which rarely works in the area he is on to find them. This is unbelievable to me. NOW, since I screwed up on being clean, I am going to send a picture to each and every one of you and make sure you have your darts ready..I need emails! LMBO! I am laughing through my tears actually.
Lizzy, I am going to write you as promised, but I just wanted to say that I am glad that you got something for those headaches. I know nothing of stadol for headaches..but we used to use it on horses. Buthorphanol butate injectable for surgeries and such. I know my spelling is off. It is a controlled subtance, we had to keep it locked up..and it is addictive, but I dont know how addictive.
Bodymechanic.
I read your post to Mariposa and I feel the same way..I wouldn't want to marry anyone that would want to marry me. I often tell my husand that he deserves much better than a crippled, drug addict, spoiled *****. His answer to that. One good hour with you is worth all the bad ones. He doesn't need to deal with my problems, but till death do us part I guess. Twenty years married is a long time.
Okay, with that said. I am going to hobble around my room and look for more sharp figurines. My daughter is a pack rat and can' keep the stuff in her room..has to be in whatever room she is in.
Hugs,
suze
Lizzy, I am going to write you as promised, but I just wanted to say that I am glad that you got something for those headaches. I know nothing of stadol for headaches..but we used to use it on horses. Buthorphanol butate injectable for surgeries and such. I know my spelling is off. It is a controlled subtance, we had to keep it locked up..and it is addictive, but I dont know how addictive.
Bodymechanic.
I read your post to Mariposa and I feel the same way..I wouldn't want to marry anyone that would want to marry me. I often tell my husand that he deserves much better than a crippled, drug addict, spoiled *****. His answer to that. One good hour with you is worth all the bad ones. He doesn't need to deal with my problems, but till death do us part I guess. Twenty years married is a long time.
Okay, with that said. I am going to hobble around my room and look for more sharp figurines. My daughter is a pack rat and can' keep the stuff in her room..has to be in whatever room she is in.
Hugs,
suze
I got out of bed at four am in the morning to take a restroom break, stepped on a toy figure my daughter left in my room, moved backwards verry quicly and fell over my clothes basket and slammed my head into some very hard furniture my dad made. My husband said I could have killed myself the way I was laying there with my head all crooked, all I could see is stars., he thought my neck was broke. Huge lump on my head, but after a visit to urgent care this afternoon because my foot was really bothering me again and I was told I rebroke my ankle.(I broke both of them in early september.fell in a hole that was covered with pine needles, a deep hole) Which had just healed. More Hydro prescribed today, fifty with one refill. My entire body hurts from my head to my foot. SO now I have percs and hydro in my house again. I took three hydro's today as I can barely walk with the foot and I look like the hunchback from notredame because of my back. Even my ass hurts..from what I don't know. So I guess I really screwed up. I'm still going to have my husband keep the percs, but I don't know if I can handle him hiding hydro's all over the house and me having to call him on his cell phone which rarely works in the area he is on to find them. This is unbelievable to me. NOW, since I screwed up on being clean, I am going to send a picture to each and every one of you and make sure you have your darts ready..I need emails! LMBO! I am laughing through my tears actually.
Lizzy, I am going to write you as promised, but I just wanted to say that I am glad that you got something for those headaches. I know nothing of stadol for headaches..but we used to use it on horses. Buthorphanol butate injectable for surgeries and such. I know my spelling is off. It is a controlled subtance, we had to keep it locked up..and it is addictive, but I dont know how addictive.
Bodymechanic.
I read your post to Mariposa and I feel the same way..I wouldn't want to marry anyone that would want to marry me. I often tell my husand that he deserves much better than a crippled, drug addict, spoiled *****. His answer to that. One good hour with you is worth all the bad ones. He doesn't need to deal with my problems, but till death do us part I guess. Twenty years married is a long time.
Okay, with that said. I am going to hobble around my room and look for more sharp figurines. My daughter is a pack rat and can' keep the stuff in her room..has to be in whatever room she is in.
Hugs,
suze
Lizzy, I am going to write you as promised, but I just wanted to say that I am glad that you got something for those headaches. I know nothing of stadol for headaches..but we used to use it on horses. Buthorphanol butate injectable for surgeries and such. I know my spelling is off. It is a controlled subtance, we had to keep it locked up..and it is addictive, but I dont know how addictive.
Bodymechanic.
I read your post to Mariposa and I feel the same way..I wouldn't want to marry anyone that would want to marry me. I often tell my husand that he deserves much better than a crippled, drug addict, spoiled *****. His answer to that. One good hour with you is worth all the bad ones. He doesn't need to deal with my problems, but till death do us part I guess. Twenty years married is a long time.
Okay, with that said. I am going to hobble around my room and look for more sharp figurines. My daughter is a pack rat and can' keep the stuff in her room..has to be in whatever room she is in.
Hugs,
suze
Lizzy,
Hang in there, and I will say a prayer for you tonight. One thing that may help is for you to mention to your husband that you will be there when he needs you, and you know, he will, and you will deliver.
Visit this place as you need to and we will all be pulling for you.
There is an end victory for all us here, and if we walk together (pushing out the recent hatred filled posts) we will arrive together.
I don't care if that sounds hokey or not - I believe that!
God bless you tonight,
Rex
Hang in there, and I will say a prayer for you tonight. One thing that may help is for you to mention to your husband that you will be there when he needs you, and you know, he will, and you will deliver.
Visit this place as you need to and we will all be pulling for you.
There is an end victory for all us here, and if we walk together (pushing out the recent hatred filled posts) we will arrive together.
I don't care if that sounds hokey or not - I believe that!
God bless you tonight,
Rex
Thanks you EVERYONE for the support. I really had it bad today. Thought I was having a nervous breakdown. Anyway, I have NEVER felt as low as I did today? My head was throbbing, pain in my lower back and front too..My Sis is here visiting for only 6 days and stayng with me as my guest and all I did was cry ALL day. She said that's why she came..to help. Then we went for a walk and right in front of my daughter was a HUGE Rattlesnake. I screamed like a maniac and pulled my daughter away like I was some pyscho. My sis and mom looked at me and said "what the hell are you doing"? They didn't even see it laying right in front of them like 2 ft away. Anyway, we are all ok..I won't go into the whole dtails..the damn thing turned out to be dead..someone put it there as a joke apparantly. Probably got me on video screaming like a maniac. Well, that really got my head throbbing. Told my doc off for calling JUST now after I was told that he would call me during his lunch break. Even my Mom, and husband called to tell the doc what was going on. My head and lower back hurt so bad I was shaking in tears. And I had to wait til 7PM for his phone call. I realize that I am not his ONLY patient in this world, but I thought and my family thought that I was breaking down..I yelled at the doc and he told my husband to bring me in right away for a nice cockatail called Stadol..so here I am flying like a kite. He couldn't think of any other ideas for pain with a migraine. my husband of course listened to me ***** all day about my feelings and now he said and IS helping me get through this. I REFUSE to have his mother EVER helpme again. If you are wondering why, just read my other posts. Anyway, gotta go lay down as I feel as though I am spinning. Hate this feeling..doc says that's all he will give me or can give me? Gotta run..thanks for listening you guys/girls
Southernbelle, I will e-mail you tomorrow Thanks
Southernbelle, I will e-mail you tomorrow Thanks
My weapons against addiction - hopefully in order of importance
* God and His amazing Grace (def - undeserved kindness)
* This forum and the amazing supportive people here
* My kids & wife, who want me to win
* Thomas Recipe - working already (Thanks Methman, Hippee)
* Positive self talk
* Hot tubs - hot showers
* Ibuprofren - 800mg - 3 per day
* A distracted mind - get my mind on something else!
* HOPE - The knowledge that while it may get worse, it will eventually get better
* Benzos for anxiety (part of Thomas Recipe) - approach w/ caution - don't want to trade prob 1 for prob 2
* Sleep, naps, daytime TV, the Bachelor, any show featuring Phil Donahue, Cspan1 or 2, line at the post office - all trigger fatigue!
* * God and His amazing Grace (def - undeserved kindness)
Anyone else, if you have any other advice before I flip the switch, please chime in.
I promise to post my results and offer any support I can give.
Counting down to freedom
Rex
* God and His amazing Grace (def - undeserved kindness)
* This forum and the amazing supportive people here
* My kids & wife, who want me to win
* Thomas Recipe - working already (Thanks Methman, Hippee)
* Positive self talk
* Hot tubs - hot showers
* Ibuprofren - 800mg - 3 per day
* A distracted mind - get my mind on something else!
* HOPE - The knowledge that while it may get worse, it will eventually get better
* Benzos for anxiety (part of Thomas Recipe) - approach w/ caution - don't want to trade prob 1 for prob 2
* Sleep, naps, daytime TV, the Bachelor, any show featuring Phil Donahue, Cspan1 or 2, line at the post office - all trigger fatigue!
* * God and His amazing Grace (def - undeserved kindness)
Anyone else, if you have any other advice before I flip the switch, please chime in.
I promise to post my results and offer any support I can give.
Counting down to freedom
Rex
love to you -- i will be thinking of you. i'll write down "rex" in my study pad in my daily devotional. rex, you will be in my thoughts, sincerely. don't give up -- stick to it. it will be okay. tell yourself it's only temporary and you will get through it. one of the best things you did was take off from work, that will help so much. it's impossible to do and try to work at all. keep posting and let everybody know how you are doing. love and peace to you.
Best wishes and prayers are with you! It takes courage to do wut u are doing! We are here for you!
Peace to your days!
Suzie
Peace to your days!
Suzie
MM,
Well I have been reading your recent posts and couldn't agree more. My question is "How?"
How does someone like me, with pretty much everything going positively, get into a hell like this, voluntarily, no less!
I think I have figured out that at the heart of the Hydro addiction was my seemingly unsolvable Anxiety problem, for which I have been working on for 15 years now. Well the Vicodin helps with that, as well as being a miracle drug for my bad back, but now I am in worse shape mentally than ever. And I would cope with any physcial pain if I could avoid the mental pain and anxiety that Vicodin has brought.
Anyway, thanks for you and all the others' help here. And in the next week, I am going to really need it, because I am about to launch phase 3, which will be cold turkey.
I know from the great folks here that day 1 through 5 will be hell, but, bring it on. Am on Thomas Recipe, exericse, lot's of fluids, ibuprofren, and lots of prayer=the best of all.
Any other advice would be most appreciated. Otherwise I will be firing all guns here to coincide with my time off of work next week, when I can Hot tub it and sleep frequently.
I would like to ask everyone to pray for me, as I will for you.
Rex
Well I have been reading your recent posts and couldn't agree more. My question is "How?"
How does someone like me, with pretty much everything going positively, get into a hell like this, voluntarily, no less!
I think I have figured out that at the heart of the Hydro addiction was my seemingly unsolvable Anxiety problem, for which I have been working on for 15 years now. Well the Vicodin helps with that, as well as being a miracle drug for my bad back, but now I am in worse shape mentally than ever. And I would cope with any physcial pain if I could avoid the mental pain and anxiety that Vicodin has brought.
Anyway, thanks for you and all the others' help here. And in the next week, I am going to really need it, because I am about to launch phase 3, which will be cold turkey.
I know from the great folks here that day 1 through 5 will be hell, but, bring it on. Am on Thomas Recipe, exericse, lot's of fluids, ibuprofren, and lots of prayer=the best of all.
Any other advice would be most appreciated. Otherwise I will be firing all guns here to coincide with my time off of work next week, when I can Hot tub it and sleep frequently.
I would like to ask everyone to pray for me, as I will for you.
Rex
this is so sad. i don't really know any of you at all, most of you don't remember me. i'm just so sad at how this place has been the last couple of days. what is going on? what exactly are you guys arguing about? like it or not, we are all in this together and we are all connected. as fellow addicts, we need each other, we really do. we need support and understanding. it's just so sad. i love you all and if anybody needs a sincere, understanding ear while dealing with their addiction, i am here. i'm here for anybody that needs it. i wish everybody real peace and i hope things get easier and better in your struggle with addictions.
First of all, what is wrong with this forum today, I have posted a couple of times in the last few minutes and it says to reload or something.
Lizzy, I wrote you a long email and aol kicked me off and I lost my hotmail email to you. Talk about frustrating, I will write you again in a little while..I'm still here with you.
Hugs
Suze
Lizzy, I wrote you a long email and aol kicked me off and I lost my hotmail email to you. Talk about frustrating, I will write you again in a little while..I'm still here with you.
Hugs
Suze
We call a truce, and then you find out my personal email address and email me there...when I ask how did you get this address, you lie and say medhelp gave it to you. When I ask you again where you got it, you conveniently stay quiet. Why are you doing this? Why do you lie? I had said NOTHING on the new forum to warrant your post to me...you immediately assumed I needed a detailed list of the rules from you. You set me up to fail there, as we had already been fighting here and I went there to basically escape from you. If I had known you were there, I would never have accepted Michael's invitation.
You asked when you crossed way over the appropriate boundaries into my PERSONAL email if I wanted you to stop posting here...that I could have this forum and you could have the other. My answer is yes...please. Please let me try to have peace here...I am really trying.
You asked when you crossed way over the appropriate boundaries into my PERSONAL email if I wanted you to stop posting here...that I could have this forum and you could have the other. My answer is yes...please. Please let me try to have peace here...I am really trying.
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