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[OxyDout]

just wanted to see how everyone was doing, I don't feel like working? anyone from the Boston area?

[Bondy]

I came clean way more comfortably than I thought i would by combining the clonidine with 4gms of L-tyrosine and 200mgs of vit B6.
I was skeptical when I tried it but there are valid scientific reasons to think it works...in short, opiates over-stimulate a part of your brain called the locus ceruleus that makes a form of adrenaline. In the rat brain sudden cessation of opiate administration causes the adrenaline factory to only produce 30% of the 'adrenaline'. Clonidine kicks this manufacturing capability up to about 60%.  L-tyrosine is the raw material of which the adrenaline is made, so flooding the factory with raw material at a time that factory is starting to rev up ends up producing all the adrenaline you need and, at least in my case, withdrawal symptoms were totally eliminated except for the runs.

Take the clonidine, then as soon as your mouth feels dry take 4000mgs of the L-tyrosine (as long as you are not on an MAOI ie. Nardil or Parnate) + 200 mgs of vit B6 on an empty stomach.
Do this twice a day. Please take the phenobarb as well.
The big question that I cant answer is how long you have to take the clonidine/tyrosine. I am guessing a week or 2.
I have been clean for 3 days with this and actually feel very well.
(This is part of what they call the Thomas Recipe...but I am convinced that the only important ingredients are the tyrosine, clonidine and probably the B6.

Good luck ,
   Serge.

[maddogmmm]

Owner of the bruins belongs to my golf club---Very nice chap--,But do you really think they have what it takes to win The Cup I really don't see it happening. Go Bills!! Hope everyone is well and have a great weekend.---Michael

[Chezz]

I can see why you wouldn't want to tell your wife. I was scared as hell to let mine know. Just due to the fact that I 1. thought she would leave me 2. the guilt and deception factor of "lying to her. 3. just the overall fact that I didn't want her to know that her husband, whom she looks up to and loves, couldn't deal with this. I was scared to know that she would think less of me.

The bottom line - your wife ALREADY knows. She just isn't sure what you are up to. She probably thinks you are doing heroin or something again.

This of course is just my outside point of view. And I for one thrive on somebody elses take on my own situation since it helps me to see what other people see. Most of the time these are things I simply did not see, or simply did not want to recognize. Then of course there are the times that they are completely off base.

Here is something that you did say -
I hope to God I will go through with it). I am painfully aware that I may be BS-ing myself, but I don't think so.~~~~~~~~I may contact a new physician next week to spill the truth.
This is just an observation, but it looks like you already have a plan. And it doesn't involve taping or cold turkey. It sounds like you are talking yourself out of going and getting a legit script due to your new insurance.
If you can't go through with it right now(detox). Don't B/S or beat yourself up because you are not ready. You have already taken the 1st step and that is to deal with the addiction and ADMIT it. That has got to be one of the hardest parts. Now is the time to talk about it, get support, and do what is in the best interest of yourself, your life, and your family. If you are not 100% or actually 200% sure that you are ready to quit and stay that way, then deal with your addiction and make a firm commitment when you are ready and going to stick with it.
This is just my take on things. I don't see the reasoning behind forcing yourself into something that you are not ready for and am already doomed to fail. This just makes it harder on yourself as well as the people around you.
This does not mean to just keep on popping pills and dealing with it later. This means to think about quiting everyday, watching you intake, and making a plan an convincing yourself that this is the best think for you.
Sorry for the book, just my thoughts. Could be on, could be off. Either way it is also helpful for me to write/read this to help myself with the stuggles I am going through myself.
Thanks,
Chezzz

[Chezz]

I am on Dsl, and always check this site probably 100 times a day.  Here is my email in case you would like to communicate that way. I know I need someone/'s to help me through this. ***@****
Feel free to write to your hearts content. Letting it out is the fastest way to finally dealing with this.
I also like to "let it out" too.

Best regards to all,
Chezz

[Nod]

Oxycodone vs. Hydrocodone
I abused hydro for 2-3 yrs very badly, been clean now almost 6mos.  Recently "re-tried" hydro few weekends ago and my tolerance is about the same.  Feel like **** for falling off the wagon but I got right back on it, thank God.  Anyway, I have to have major shoulder surgery soon and am worried about 1) not being able to have pain relief and 2) falling off the wagon.

Question that maybe someone knows: If I abused hydro and have built up such a tolerance. Would oxycodone give me pain relief or would the hydro tolerance also cover the oxycodone as well?  Just how much in common are these 2 drugs?  I'm hoping that maybe oxycodone for a few days will give me the pain relief.. or will my recent past abuse of hydro come back to haunt me?  The ortho surgeon said percocet for few days will be all I need.

Appreciate any input.   Nod.

[student7]

i am curently a student in high school and i just wanted to say thank you all for giving me information to complete an assignment. also i wish you (and the red sox) luck. also my grandmother is an alcoholic. well good luck and good bye.