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I'm not sure if they offer free rehab in Florida. I know they don't here, but they do offer free detox here in Michigan. It's a 5 day stay. You are right in assuming that xanax is very dangerous to get off. It's a Benzo as I'm sure you know so people have been known to go into a coma ect. if they try to stop cold turkey. He really should get help from a professional to get off of this. The doctor on this forum will be able to help you more with this. I hope he can get the help he needs. But please make sure he gets professional help because again this is a very dangerous drug to stop taking cold turkey once a person is addicted.
Please keep us informed we are all addicts or recovering addicts so no one makes judgements on people. We are here for you and your husband.
Lots of love and god bless
The first thing that I would do at this site is SEARCH XANAX.
There are lots of "case histories" to read through, to help you understand what people really go through.
A friend of mine successfully got off Xanax, WITH A DOCTORS' SUPERVISION; and although I don't know all the specifics, I do know she was switched to a long acting benzo(Valium), and then did an extremely gradual taper(months).
Good Luck, and know there are a lot of us here for you.
I can't see my doc until Monday which I'll get another script for vicodin when I go. I really want to take more vicodin, but I can't or I'll run out befor Monday. I am going to talk to my doc on monday and see if we can slow down on the vicodin taper, but she's not going to be in until then.. Plz any suggestions..
I kicked cold turkey and lived. That's the good news. The bad news is that it was indescribably horrifying. I was kicking Oxycontin at the same time, but most of the really bad symptoms I had seemed specific to the klonopin. I didn't sleep for 23 days straight, and ended up in the er because I was truly losing my mind. There were all kinds of hideous symptoms that I won't go into: suffice to say that I felt like about as bad as you can, and every moment of every day I felt like didn't want to be on this earth for another second.
I don't want to scare you, but it sounds like you need to know what kind of demon your man is trying to face down.
The best, and really the only sane way to come of benzos is a slow taper. How is he getting these drugs? If it's legitemate, the prescribing MD should have no problem hammering out a taper schedule. Whether he can stick to it is the question. Most can't, but it can be done.
If he is procuring benzos illegally, he can try to taper himself, dropping perhaps 1mg every two weeks. How long has he been on them? That can be as determining a factor as dosage in withdrwawal severity. If he has insurance with a detox clause, or kaiser, he can perhaps get on an outpatient taper, picking up doled out amounts daily. They will almost certainly want to get him on a longer acting benzo like klonopin for the taper: the problem with xanax is that it's a very short acting benzo, and needs to be taken frequently to stave off withdrawals.
This is a great website for information. Check it out...
www.benzo.org.uk
As far as the pain of withdrawals, he will likely have to go through some of that, no matter what. If he wants a pain free ride out he may never get clean. The mindset that there was some real pain coming my way and that I would handle it no matter what was instrumental in my overcoming that first horrible month. Looking back, it was a worthy tradeoff for a way out. Those things take your mind body and soul in ways you never ever realize until you are of them.
Please please help, I am starting to feel it bad!
I'm done (again!)
benzo.org.uk
or
benzo busters.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
is go to the detox and tell them he wants to kill himself
and then they have to take him , that is the law ,
and they will bill him later.
in essence it is true because addicts are killing them selves.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but it did not go through, i left my email below.
try geetin touch with me.
There may be good news, and that is that you may be able to substantially cut your dose, and still be on a dose high enough to cover your pain.
At 14 Norco a day, my highest dose ever, I felt like absolute ****, and had anxiety, depression, and sleep problems. I also had some breathing problems.
You came here because you need help and you know it. Congratulations on taking the first step! I think I agree with BadGirl, this is such a high dose, that if I were you, I would get in to see a Specialist - an addictionologist or perhaps a Pain Management doc ASAP. Put everyhting else on hold, as this dosage if continued could be lethal. My doc told me that Norco is not particularly bad on any organs, but with enough in your system can cause your heart to stop or a stroke.
Don;t wait - get in to see a specialist as soon as possible, even if you have to pay for the first appointment out of pocket. When you see this Doc, lay everything and I mean everything on the table - 100% accuracy on what you are taking. It will likely be uncomfortable for you for some time, but you have taken the right first step down the right road, OK?
We will all be praying here for you.
Good luck,
Rex
This is the way I got out...
-I was able to taper down, sporadically, to where I could handle 500 or so mgs a day
-I did a 21 day methadone detox, starting at 60 mgs, down to 0 in 21 days
-I RESISTED all desire to get on methadone maintenance, and all advice to do so. 21 days was all I was willing to do on methadone, and I strongly suggest the same
-I got clonodine pathes and some trazadone from the clinic on my last day
-I kicked cold after that, and made sure I had no responsibilities for a month. I had my girlfriend get me food, and I watched the history channel on the futon for 3 weeks straight.
-I had the mindset that I would take any and all pain that came my way, and that things would get better if I waited it out. I kept telling myself a quote I had heard, "A man is as strong as he let's himself be"
-I got heavily involved in a 12 step program for recovering alkies and addicts
And... 6-1/2 mos. later things are really good. I was addicted to benzos too and withdrew from them when I withdrew from opaites, so my detox was probably much much worse than what you will have to go through.
I wasn't able to get into a medically supervised detox, but that is what I wanted to do, and is probably the best option. However, it CAN BE DONE, in a variety of ways.
Today so far I have only dowened 10 Norcos total because I have been crawling out of my skin. I feel guilty posting as I read people saying they have had an 8 pill addiction for 5 years. Wow! I iwish I were not such an extremist. Another person asked how I kept up with that quantity of pills...wel, talk about hard!!! I am counting the days before the next bottle or 90 pills or so.
Am I on the right track with the Clonodine patch and Bup? Please, please any advice would be great. And hopefully my experience will help enlighten others to "severe" abuse!!!
Post soon!!
I'm Done
I'm done
I'd love to know how it all fits together.
I'm Done
Regarding hydro VS. oxy, I could never find a real equivalency. Opinions vary wildly. Some say that oxy is twice as strong as hydro. I find them very comparable mg for mg, in the high and in the withdrawal.
Ok, I am reading the labels on what the doc called in for me and it doesn't sound right. The Clonadine patch sounds right but the other is Bupropion 75mg one pill a day, is that right?? When should I start on these 2 legit detox assistance meds? Now ? Or should I wait until the detox pain gets higher?
Thanks, this board is a life saver (literally!!!)
I'm Done
Dude, 800mgs a day? You're a junkie, or a pillhead, or whatever. It's no biggie.
Here's a post from usenet - don't take this as gospel, it's not a doctor saying this. Make sure to doublecheck...
I'd look some more but gotta run! Don't no anything about the other stuff you asked. Someone here does...
In article <9062-3A43EC84-90@storefull-288.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
***@**** wrote:
> small white pills with 54 at the top and
> 142 at the bottom ,,anyone know
> what they are ??/
The other side is scored, of course.
They're 10-mg methadone from Roxane Labs.
I'm Done
What you are speaking of is rapid detox. You are sedated while you are given shots of naltraxon or an equivalant. It is over in 24 hours. It costs about $3000.00. The success rate, I understand is very low even for a drug treatment. Most people still have withdrawals for several days following the treatment.
Im Done
At 800mg a day, you can consider yourself a hard core user taking extreme doses. Methadone may be an option for you since I believe your life to be in danger. What your doctor has given you is clonidine and Welbutrin. The clonidine is great for the part of withdrawal know as "wet symptoms" runny nose, sweats ect. It is also good for the shakes. With a habit of the magnitude of yours it will probably be useless. The welbutin is used for smokers who want to quit. With opiates and taken during an acute withdrawal is probably(definately) will make you worse.
Rex
I think a firm committment of YES means a lot to anyone who accepts - otherwise it might be just another preordained taper schedule destined for failure.
Jan 1 is D-Day and I am extremely happy that you are already on your way!
Let me know - I'll post the details tommorrow morning.
Rex
Because of these dangers, and the high dose (15mg of alprazolam is a very high daily doze)I highly recommend you and your partner seek professional assistance with this addiction.
Good luck,
Steven
PS - I am not your doctor or a doctor for that matter. Anything I say here is my lay opinion only. It is entirely up to you to seek medical assistance. In my opinion you should seek advice from a professional addiction specialist. You can start with an MD, preferably your general practitioner if you trust him or her. If you do not trust your doctor, you should find one you can trust! This IS a medical issue, and in my opinion it should be treated like a disease of the mind/body, and should not be viewed as criminal. This opens up an entirely different discussion, or can of worms so to speak. That's next!
Get help!
I am completely against the war on drugs! Anyone should be able to pursue anything they believe will make them happy (that's suppose to be a right for American citizens, not a privilege!
This is one I feel very passionate about. The key in helping people avoid dangerous drugs is EDUCATION! The right to pursue happiness should give each individual the right to experiment with drugs as long as such action does not harm anyone else. HOWEVER, if the government would focus more on educating the public about dangerous drugs, in an honest effort where they provide honest information about which drugs are dangerous, what to avoid and how to avoid over-dosing, thousands of people that have died as a result of accidental over-dose would be alive today! Tens of thousands would not be in jail for buying or smoking a bowl of weed. And thousands more would not be hopelessly addicted to a variety of substances, including cigarettes, where big business (corporations), controlled and fostered by big government have not been truthful about the potential for addiction as well as the known dangers of using certain substances. Its all about politics ladies and gentlemen. In the early 1900's opiates were legally touted as remedies for everything from heart disease to the common cold. Early in the 20th century the government attempted to ban Alcohol (which for many, had been their pursuit of happiness). This government action (short of communism) resulted in thousands being jailed, innocent peoples lives completely destroyed, individual rights and privileges (for such things as voting and gun ownership) forever stripped away like an old sock. And for what? All for taking a drink of beer. Today that can be compared to smoking a joint. On many college campuses, if a student is caught smoking a weed they may be banned from receiving financial assistance, which for many equates to a ban from attending school. From that kick in the arse they end up with a low paying job, a lifetime of depression, more weed, and eventually other addictions and so on. All because of the big government war on drugs. If the government spent half of what they spend on fighting this insidious "war on getting high", on education, the result would be life saving for many. Sorry for rambling.
Its only going to get worse now with the fall of the USSR.
With the fall of USSR, the U.S.A. is now the single only superpower in the world! The balance that kept capitalism intact (in-check) is now gone. This great country is now in danger of doing exactly what everyone feared from communism. Controlling the people, right down to what we eat, when we sleep, what we do with our spare time, where we work, and where we travel etc etc.
The government of a free society should not make all the important decisions for its citizens. For instance, we as citizens of this great country (USA) ought to have the right to pursue happiness by any means that works for us as individuals, as long as such pursuit (or means) does not harm any of our fellow citizens! This is what was intended by our forefathers who built this great nation. Many have died to protect these freedoms and the wonderful pursuit of happyness!
Today, I see our freedoms eroding quicker than our 401(k) retirement accounts! The war on drugs not only hurts those chasing a narcotic buzz in the pursuit of their own happiness, but it also infringes on the rights of legitimate pain-patients seeking narcotic pain medication (opiates) to cope with their pain (to pursue whatever happiness they can). But when it comes right down to it, there are many people in pain. Pain does not have one face! It has many! A person may be inflicted with pain for many reasons. We understand the pain that comes from burns, cancer and migraine headaches, as this is traditional sources of pain. But what about pain from years of emotional abuse, emotional distress, or stress itself! I believe pain from fear, worry, panic, extreme stress can be just as bad as traditional sources of pain, if not WORSE! Example - There is no worse pain than opiate withdrawal in my opinion. But the pain of withdrawal is not traditional pain. Its not considered severe pain by the medical community. However, anyone that has experienced severe withdrawal will tell you that the pain is just as bad as the worst burn or broken bone! In fact, it is worse because it lasts so long. Its both physical and emotional as well as psychological! Indeed, there are many faces of pain. If a person is relieved of any pain by taking a little pill or smoking a little weed, and if that relief helps comfort that individual in his or her own pursuit of happiness, then so be-it! BIG FREAKING DEAL is what I say. The government ought to have NO PART in the decision by an individual to relieve his or her pain by smoking a little weed or popping a little pill.
How can the government help or what role should it play? The government (of the people for the people) can help save lives by educating individuals on the mechanism of drugs, how to avoid over-dosing and addiction, and helping people understand the real dangers of drugs, and the truth! In addition, basic information such as which drugs not to mix should be common knowledge for our young people!
Many thousands of lives could be saves by literally wiping out this insidious "army type" war on drug smugglers, dope dealers, dope growers, and such. If the government would legalize the drugs, take part in quality control (using the FDA for instance), tax and regulate individuals involved in the drug trade, use the FDA to keep the drugs clean (or use the pharmaceutical companies for this purpose) then we would have a tremendous drop in crime, billions of dollars would be collected in taxes (if not trillions) and NO drug user would complain about paying the tax I can assure you! Even with the tax, the user would likely pay less! The price as well as availability would be stable! The government might even setup a market for trading the drugs, such as the markets for trading pork bellies and coffee. Isn't coffee a drug anyway? I'd say setup a market for cocaine, heroin and marijuana to start with.
ok I am rambling again, but it is nice to dream!
Steven
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I was addicted to Xanax for two years and learned about its dangers the hard way. One thing I can tell you that's got your husband so convinced he can't live without the stuff is that the most immediate and severe Xanax WD symptom is unfocused, paralyzing fear -- anxiety is too polite a word for it.
The first step he needs to take to get off Xanax is to have his doctor switch him to whatever daily dosage of Valium he needs to feel normal and free of the "Xanax terrors." Unfortunately, many doctors in this country are shockingly ignorant about dealing with benzo addiction. You and your husband should go to Dr. Heather Ashton's web site, where you will find a treasure trove of information on safe tapering AFTER the patient has switched to a long acting benzo like Valium. Some like Klonopin, but Valium leaves the body significantly slower than Klonopin, making the tapering process virtually painless, and it's cheap as dirt. Print out the salient pages from Dr Ashton's site and take it to the doctor. That's what I did and I got no argument at all about switching. Good luck,
Thomas
KEPT JOB ONLY BECAUSE EMPLOYER COULD NOT "SMELL" PILLS DURING DAY. (INSIDES COULDN'T TAKE ANY MORE HARD LIQUOR). ARRESTED ONCE FOR CHANGING DOSAGE ON MY PRESCRIPTION. PAID DEBT TO SOCIETY. CUT TO MISDEMEANOR. GAVE EXPLAINATION OF REFORM. SUBMITTED TO RANDOM OR SINGLED OUT URINE TEST. DIDN'T MATTER. PROSPECTIVE EMPLOYERS COULD NOT LOOK BEYOND THE WORD "DRUG" IN BACKGROUND CHECK, FOR ANY DECENT, LEGIT JOB. I'M ALMOST SURE SUEING AND INSURANCE CONPANY HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. NOT IN ANY CONDITION TO START ONE-MAN CAMPAIGN AGAINST FOOLISH LAWS. LIFE TOO SHORT. ( IT'S LEGAL FOR THEM TO DO THAT IN THIS STATE, AT LEAST). GIVE ADVICE ON THAT, PLEASE, ANYONE . AT WITS END.
SO MANY WHITE CHIPS, COULD MAKE A CHILD'S "BIG WHEEL", REALLY! BOTH 12-STEP PROGRAMS TOLD ME TO KEEP COMING BACK IRREGARDLESS AND KEEP DESIRE TO GET CLEAN AND SOBER EVEN AFTER MANY RELASPES. I DID. GOT 3 MONTHS CLEAN ,ONCE. OTHER TIMES ONLY AT TREATMENT CENTERS. THINK THAT'S WHY I'M NOT DEAD NOW. NO LIVER DAMAGE WITH TYLENOL IN PAINKILLERS,YET! HAVE HEPATITIS-C, HIV+, DEATH WISH? SOUNDS LIKE IT! (DIAGNOSED 16 YEARS AGO,DOING FINE) HAVEN'T HAD ANY SYMPTOMS,BLESSED! NOW TELL ME I DON'T HAVE ISSUES? COMMITTING SUICIDE, SLOWLY? YES! DIDN'T CARE AT THAT POINT.LONG STORY(MUCH LONGER)SHORT.DOWN TO ONE DARVOCET ADAY, TAPERING.TOMORROW, START TO 1/2,A DAY FOR ONE WEEK. THEN THAT'S IT. NO WITHDRAWALS, WHICH CAN BE HORRIBLE, I KNOW! IT'S WORKING. PROBABLY WILL HAVE MENTAL OBSESSION. BETTER THAN PHYSICAL OBCESSION. KEY: FIND ANY HIGHER POWER. OPEN UP COMPLETELY TO ANY AND ALL FOR HELP TRUDGING SIMILAR ROAD. TELL DEEP, DARK SECRETS TO HIGHER POWER AND (1) PERSON YOU'VE GAINED TRUST IN, ONLY!!! GO TO AA DAILY OR MORE, IF POSSIBLE. {I RELATE MORE TO AA). DON'T SHARE ABOUT PILLS IN AA OPEN DISCUSSION MEETINGS, CHANGE PILLS TO ALCOHOL,IF YOU MUST SHARE. AT RISK OF SOMEONE MAKING YOU FEEL LIKE ****! MIGHT LEAVE WITH RESENTMENT. DON'T NEED THAT! I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT TALKED TO MANY PEOPLE IN NA ABOUT PILL ADDICTION. BUT MORE IN AA, IN PRIVATE!! IF NO P.A., DO SO IN PRIVATE TO OTHERS LIKE YOU, PLEASE! (PILLS ANONYMOUS NOT IN MY STATE,NC, YET) MAY BE MY CALLING.INTERNET HAS P.A. ONLINE MEETINGS. ASK SEARCH ENGINES ON COMPUTER FOR "PILLS ANONYMOUS", WILL GET RESULTS, BUT READ CAREFULLY HOW TO HOOK UP WITH PEOPLE, HAD TROUBLE AT FIRST.IF YOU LIKE NA,RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN TO IT!! "FIRST, DO NO HARM" IS ONE OF THEIR PHILOSOPHIES".
AVOID ANYTHING, I MEAN, ANYTHING,ANYBODY NEGATIVE.WHETHER YOU LOVE THEM OR NOT.IF THEY LOVE YOU, BY GOLLY THEY'LL UNDERSTAND! FIND SPIRITUALITY ANY WAY/WHERE YOU CAN.IF NEEDED,ASK DOC FOR LOWEST DOSE CLONIDINE FOR TAPERING IF MORE WITHDRAWALS) IF HE OR SHE IS WILLING. MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. STATE YOUR CASE TO THEM. IT CAN'T HURT.( MAY MAKE THEM SUSPICIOUS, EVEN MORE) SO YOU CAN GO TO MORE MEETINGS, CAN MAKE DROWSY. PLEASE CONSULT WITH YOUR MD ABOUT TAPERING, IF NECESSARY. IF ANYONE ASK HOW DROWSY YOU LOOK AT MEETINGS EXPLAIN IF YOU WISH, BUT TO HELL WITH THEM IF THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND OR RAISE AN EYE BROW. ONLY YOU AND HIGHER POWER KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. IF YOU START TO GET "SHAKEY" MENTALLY OR EMOTIONALLY IN ANY FORM, RUN TO TRUSTED PEOPLE.(OR MD IF REALLY BAD) DON'T GO TO ANY NARCOTIC, INCLUDING DARVOCETS. STAY WITH AS LONG AS NECESSARY, IF THEY ARE BUSY, GO TO SOMEBODY! CALL HOT LINES IN CALIFORNIA,(L.A. AREA).IF NECESSARY (24/7, THERE). PRAY! VERY HARD! DO NOT TAKE 30 DAY CHIP INTIL YOU HAVE BEEN CLEAN 30 DAYS. BE TRUEFUL, TRUSTED ONE(S) WILL UNDERSTAND.
BIGOTS, RACIST IN ANY, I MEAN IN ANY FORM "NEED NOT APPLY, UNLESS YOU ARE "WILLING TO CHANGE". IF NOT , THE RESULT WILL NOT BE PRETTY. AGAIN, THIS IS MY SHORT STORY ONLY AND OPINION ONLY, IT WORKED FOR ME. I AM,IN NO WAY A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL OR OTHERWISE WHATSOEVER. GOD'S SPEED.
FOR I AM A, NCPILLHEAD.(E-MAIL ***@****)
I don't care how "in love" you are with him, this is a situation that is going nowhere good. Believe me.
When an addict quits one addiction, he/she moves to another. Get out of this. Your heartbreak will heal. Then you can fall in love with a man who loves you enough not to commit suicide.
but i my self have been taking xanax for a year now .... and i take it for anxiety provoking sit.... it def changed my personality to the person i wish i could be ... making me more confident and able to do things i can not normally do .... i try to skip days and i dont plan on this lifestyle forever ... i wasnt raised to think taking drugs to solve your problems is normal. 15 mg is way way to much .... i think you might have the numbers wrong on that ... that would mean hes taking 15 of the blue oval pills a day... i highly doubt a doctor would give him that many ...unless hes getting extra on the side... i typically try to go into an anxiety provoking sit by taking one mg then i keep and extra mg in my pocket .... i skip days that i know i wont en counter that "thing" that i fear.... so my tolerance doesnt go up ... but after long days of taking it ... you start to forget what worried you and you dont have that fear... but most people use it as an excuse...not to help them slves and possibly bc they have depresseion and are genetically predisposed to addiction.... Oh i am a biologist and my boyfriend is a chemist...we met in college
"Its me or the drugs!?" - u need to learn this phrase. *i dnt mean to sound demanding, but its true* i love my now fience more than anything in the world!!! but if he puts another xanax bar in his mouth, its over for our six year relationship! and he knows that!
If he wants to be with you, and you guys want to live a healthy, happy life together, he has to quit taking the xanax. its VERY important that he doesnt just quit c/t. since he taking such high doses he will have to taper off very slowly. and if you love him as much as you say you do, and if HE really wants to quit, then the two of you have to do this together. ill tell you right now, taking care of my bf through his w/ds was a full time babysitting job!
u must really love him if you are on this site looking to help him. and if he loves you as much as you love him, he will get some help. if not for himself, for you.
i live in arkansas. but when my bf went through his w/ds and ething we found a free councling clinic that was very very helpful! there's a lot of help out there!
he just has to want it!
good luck to both of you!
The day I left, I found out I was 3 months pregnant and I didn't know. I raised our baby until she was 9 months old on my own, and then he found a Methadone clinic. He is so much better, now and we got married on Valentine's Day of '09. But, I'm not going to tell you that it's still easy. I couldn't ask for a better daddy for my baby, but he still slips up on Xanax.
He's even told me that Xanax is a prescription for disaster, but I can't understand why he still does it every other month.
You may want to convince him to go to a Methadone Clinic and see what they can do for him. It has really changed my life and his. We don't argue like we used to and life is really pleasant.
Whoever says that Methadone is bad for you, really don't know what they're talking about. If I could record my life and show you the before and after, you would definetlly agree.
But, I need to learn how to control the situation when he does take Xanax every now and then. I fly off the handle (when he's sober), just because I want him to know how bad it hurts me to see him nodding, going to sleep in his bowl of cereal, and when he does lie to me about taking it, when I already know that he did.
When he is like that, our 18 month old daughter just looks at me like what is wrong with daddy, that is Not cool with me at all.
I hope this helps you realize that you are not the only person in the world that has this problem.
Every night, I go to bed praying for the person out there who is going through the same thing as me.
Regardless; if it's a mother, grandmother, father, brother, cousin, g/f, b/f, grandfather, uncle, aunt, or a stranger in the world. God will help by bringing comfort, joy, and the fact that he is there to support you.
May God Bless You.
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