Please help with 12 day sleep loss from oxycontin

[bronzeback75]

I have been 12 days since cold turkey quiting of 160 mg daily of oxycontin,I need serious help in the sleep department I beleive i am throu the worst of the physical withdrawals but need sllep soon or will have another nervous breakdown please help i also have lost 14 lbs due to lack of appetite

[Unwise]

That's a very good point, Seamstress.  I guess it's also the chance one would have to take with such a detox method--I guess nothing that sounds so good and easy couldn't come without a price!  I would imagine there is probably a way for the docs to get around it if I did need pain medication, but the way things are going, once I quit I would not want to go back to any kind of opiate pain killer and would settle for something like Vioxx or motrin or anything but an opiate/opioid.  I would even settle for being in pain.  But your point is valid and one I will  mention to the doctor(s) when I discuss the process with them.

I would still appreciate hearing from anyone else who has any information about this method.  I would love to hear from someone who had actually gone through it.  I tried starting a new post with that as the subject, but you know how this forum is...it seems like one post a day is the quota for a rather large group of people, and whoever is lucky enough to grab it at the right time gets the podium.  As I wrote before, that's the one thing I would really like to see changed about this forum.  It would certainly make the threads more clear and offer specific headings that would enhance the reference process.  I really can't imagine why this can't be done...it can't be a matter of space on the server as the threads are full to the brim anyway...

But again, I'm ranting to the wrong people.  I will write to the admins now to see if anything can be done about it.  In the meantime, thanks for your ideas, Seamstress, and if anyone else knows anything about Rapid Detox, please let me know.

Peace.

[Seamstress]

Bronzeback, it can take a few months for the sleep issues to resolve.  That doesn't mean it will be as bad as it is now, just that it will gradually improve with time.  Try not to rely on sleep aids as they will prevent you from producing the chemicals you need to sleep naturally.  I know it's awful.  It's one of the worst parts of w/d next to cravings. But it does pass. You just have to operate in zombie mode for awhile :)

Unwise, the only reservation I have heard about using naltrexone is that if you're in an accident or for some reason need to be medicated for pain, the meds won't work.  It seems like a long shot of that happening to me, but I guess it's worth considering.

[Unwise]

Stupid question, but have you tired motrin for the pain, and or tyleonol PM for sleep.  The latter worked wonders for me when I cleaned up last time and actually allowed me to get some sleep.

Just a thought.  Hope you find sleep soon.

[Unwise]

Thanks for the tip.  Although Oregon is a bit of a trip for me, it would still probably cost less to fly there, stay in a hotel, and undergo the procedure, than it would to go to the local facilities I have called that want ten grand up front.  I live in Southern California which seems to have a plethora of these places, so maybe if I keep calling, I can find an affordable one within driving distance.  What really puzzles me is the fact that they do not accept insurance, which also gives me pause to doubt its efficacy.  I found out today that my insurance would cover one of the more hoity-toity rehab centers right on the beach--known for treating various stars--but not this rapid detox process, which is actually cheaper in the long run than a two-week stay at Chateau Junkie in Malibu.  Weird.  But if I look into it more and judge that it can actually live up to its promises, it may even be worth taking out a loan to do it.  I don't know much about naltrexone, but if I'm going to pay all that cash for an "instant" detox, I certainly won't mind taking something that will prevent me from getting high even if I should relapse.  Indeed, the cost of the program itself is enough of a pressure factor to make me want to succeed, since I can imagine nothing worse than blowing a wad of cash that size for a detox procedure and then relapsing two weeks later.  The naltrexone, it would seem, prevents this from happening.  If it's true that rapid detox would actually make withdrawal virtually non-existent and also kill the cravings immediately, then that would be half the battle for me since all I desire is to go back to where I was six months ago, namely clean and happy and not thinking about vicodin at all.  Also, the fact that you can get it over and done with in three days is a nice plus--and a lot easier to explain to the boss.All I can say is that I hope it works.  To think that the cravings would be gone altogether and that I would skip withdrawal...well that seems enough of a blessing to be thankful for, and will make the lethargy and depression that follows all the more easier to deal with, thanks to prozac and counseling.  I've gone through cold turkey withdrawal by myself before and it almost killed me, so if I can take the "chicken's way" out of it by doing this rapid detox, I would thank my lucky stars if it really works.

I'd love to hear from anyone else with experience or knowledge about rapid detox as I want to gain all the information I can before I blow all that cash.  Thanks again, witchy, for the tip, and I will call them and try to talk to the same doc.  Maybe he knows of a more affordable place nearby me.  I've also considered calling my insurance company to find out if there is a rapid detox facility they do cover.  Either way, I'm serious about this and hope that it lives up to its claims.  I will keep you all posted, and thanks for your continued support and input.

[bronzeback75]

HI guys how r you doing  i have been 15 days clean I am still depressed but i received accupucture yesterday witch I think will help, the hardest part of this is the mental blowout my head feals likes its going to explode or maybe implode ,anyway its late and i still cant sleep that i think is the worst with oxy I used to sleep so well to before all of this bulllshit.But anyway howlong does the depression last for and r these headaches normal

[Witchywoman]

Hi unwise,
I've not personally experience rapid opiate detox, though I considered it and may very well have tried it if I had not been able to detox on my own.

Have you heard of the Puget Sound center in Oregon that does it? They charge $5,000 for it, which is still a lot of money, but less expensive than many of the other programs.  I called them last summer to look into it, and the Doc who does it spent a half hour on the phone to me, talking about it, answering all my questions, and just being very supportive. It was a welcome relief to talk to a Doc who had respect for someone with an addiction.

The url for that site is: http://www.mindspring.com/~sleepdr/PROD.html   There is a lot of good info on that site about it.

They do require that you take naltrexone for at least 6 months after the procedure to prevent relapse.  They say the biggest danger is that someone might relapse right after the procedure, and take the dose they were used to taking, and OD, since the procedure lowers your tolerance.  I'm of mixed feelings about naltrexone.  What I've read indicates that it is not without its health risks, but in the end I think that the damage to our lives and relationships caused by chronic opiate abuse make the naltrexone the lesser problem.

Anyway, I hope that helps!
love,
WW