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Pot warning ... extremely long post
I'm writing this in the hopes it may help someone & they can avoid going through what we've gone through. My 17-y/o son smokes pot. It's something I was very upset by & had argued about. My son is he is very honest & respectful. If I ask him something, he will answer honestly. And when he answered yes to my question of "Were you smoking?" he would answer yes despite knowing there would be some consequence.
In late July he got a sinus infection & had a bit of nausea. The doc gave him amoxicillin & the sinuses cleared up but still wasn't feeling great. Often nauseas & had a diminished appetite, though he was eating, drinking & still going to the gym & to the muay thai class he takes.
We went to the Cape for a long weekend, in part to see his girlfriend (who was his first love and unfortunately she broke up with him last week & he is so brokenhearted in addition to what's going on with him physically.) While at the Cape, he went off with her to do some things in town. He called me & said he was feeling really sick to his stomach & it was getting bad. I asked him if it was bad enough to see a doctor or should we wait until we got home, & he said he didn't want to home but there was an urgent care in town &we went there.
The doctor thought the nausea was related to the antibiotic, though I told her it had started before taking it. She told my son the pot probably was helping so don't stop that. (I'm like, "Really? Did you really just say that?" She suggested an OTC antacid, which we tried & it helped a little.
We get home & he's no better. The appetite is gone & he's not going out much. He's spending less time at the gym & the mixed martial arts class. We head back to the doctor a few days later & she suggests a change in the antacid & thinks the nausea is due to a combination of likely a stomach bug that was aggravated by the antibiotic. Through all this there wasn't much vomiting but the nausea was pretty much 24/7.
Now he's getting weaker & not eating much. He's still drinking fluids but is definitely looking unwell. Back to the pediatrician who now decides this is going on too long. She orders blood & stool samples & adds culturelle. That was last Thursday. By this point he's not eating but was still drinking fluids.
Friday morning things were worse; he couldn't even tolerate drinks. Took him to the ER. Within a 1/2 hour the doc admitted him. Blood & urine samples taken & nothing by mouth to give his stomach/bowels a rest & will get GI consult. Also had bad adominal pain. Was given Zofran IV for the nausea, though it didn't help as much. GI ordered a CT scan & endoscopy. I asked about something for pain but it seemed like no one wanted to prescribe anything. The pediatrician & GI agreed that Toradol was not an option due to possible stomach bleed. They felt a narcotic was no good due to bowel complaints. I was sort of aggravated because he was in a lot of pain & he's not a kid who complains. (As an aside, he told me he was planning to quit smoking pot on 9/4, the first day of school. I asked why wait & he said he wanted to enjoy the summer, etc. I did believe he wanted to stop on that date & he's always been a kid who when he says he's going to do something, he does it & he gives it his all.)
Saturday morning more IV Zofran & also gave him IV Ativan as he was increasingly nauseas, the pain was worse & he was definitely anxious. Ativan seemed to help the Zofran w/the nausea & for a few hours felt slightly better. The pain was bad & the doctor ordered a small dose of morphine. That helped a lot. The morphine wore off & now they're trying to get him to do the drink for the CT scan & the vomiting starts. The pain & nausea are back full force. The doc comes in with/the nurse. She's quite smug & had an attitude. She sits down & I ask what her plan was & was told again about the scan & endoscopy. I told her he was having trouble getting the drink down for the scan but he said he'd do his best. I asked what they would give him in the meantime for pain until we knew what was going on & was told she was not inclined to give any pain meds. I asked why & she very smugly told me he tested positive for marijuana. I told her I wasn't surprised & he had stated that in the ER. I was very clear that I had never approved of his smoking. I told her despite the positive pot screen, I felt he still needed a workup & help for the pain. She's still copping an attitude with me. I am worried, frustrated, and exhausted. She changed the Zofran to a stronger antacid & said he could have a dose of IV Ativan & melatonin to help him sleep. She stated the cause of all this was pot.
I was very surprised. I told her, in a nice way, I had never heard of that & I was under the impression, like a lot of people I think, that pot often helped nausea. She told me this is a very common thing, marijuana use causing the stomach trouble & in fact, they had four people inpatient for it this month.
A different doc saw him Sunday & he confirmed this illness was due to pot & it's getting more & more common. He felt the endoscopy would be the test that would tell us what was going on. He decided to let my son have some juice and could try some bland food and he was able to get a small amount of food down. The GI doctor came back & concurred this was likely due to pot use. By now I've done some research & though there's not a ton of info(that I could see that was current & there were different opinions about it but at this point I am convinced this is very real. My son was still doubting that he could become that ill due to pot use.)
Monday had endoscopy. That department confirms they're seeing more of this, mostly in males in the upper teen years to around age 30. Endoscopy showed substantial damage to esophagus & stomach. Was given a script for Prilosec &discharged. We get home & talk & he is still not convinced pot is the cause of. He's feeling better though still has some pain and slight nausea. He went out w/a friend & he felt really sick when he came home, nearly as bad as when he was admitted. Being a teen who knows everything, he had to test things out & he smoked a bit of pot while he was out. Now he has had a huge turnaround. He is convinced this illness was was at the very least exacerbated by the pot and most likely was the cause of it. He has told some of his friends (who of course don't believe it.) He told them he hopes none of them get sick like this and it is so not worth it.
Despite his pot smoking, he was a kid who was very anti-drug. He didn't consider pot to be a drug. My son drew a big distinction between pot & other drugs. Now he does believe that pot is dangerous & says if he had known, he never would have tried it. He has a long way to get his health back. This has scared him & I'm concerned for him as well.
He has to make big changes in his life. I wrote this because I'm sure lots of people don't know about it & even a lot of doctors are unaware of it. But it really did some serious damage to him. The GI doctor who did the endoscopy said he had severe esophagitis and severe gastritis and the damage she saw on endoscopy was consistent with what she has seen in other patients with this. (I think it's actually called cannabinoid vomiting syndrome.)
I hope anyone reading this understands how serious this can be. Smoking pot isn't as innocent as it seems. It has a lot more dangers than a lot of people thought.
In late July he got a sinus infection & had a bit of nausea. The doc gave him amoxicillin & the sinuses cleared up but still wasn't feeling great. Often nauseas & had a diminished appetite, though he was eating, drinking & still going to the gym & to the muay thai class he takes.
We went to the Cape for a long weekend, in part to see his girlfriend (who was his first love and unfortunately she broke up with him last week & he is so brokenhearted in addition to what's going on with him physically.) While at the Cape, he went off with her to do some things in town. He called me & said he was feeling really sick to his stomach & it was getting bad. I asked him if it was bad enough to see a doctor or should we wait until we got home, & he said he didn't want to home but there was an urgent care in town &we went there.
The doctor thought the nausea was related to the antibiotic, though I told her it had started before taking it. She told my son the pot probably was helping so don't stop that. (I'm like, "Really? Did you really just say that?" She suggested an OTC antacid, which we tried & it helped a little.
We get home & he's no better. The appetite is gone & he's not going out much. He's spending less time at the gym & the mixed martial arts class. We head back to the doctor a few days later & she suggests a change in the antacid & thinks the nausea is due to a combination of likely a stomach bug that was aggravated by the antibiotic. Through all this there wasn't much vomiting but the nausea was pretty much 24/7.
Now he's getting weaker & not eating much. He's still drinking fluids but is definitely looking unwell. Back to the pediatrician who now decides this is going on too long. She orders blood & stool samples & adds culturelle. That was last Thursday. By this point he's not eating but was still drinking fluids.
Friday morning things were worse; he couldn't even tolerate drinks. Took him to the ER. Within a 1/2 hour the doc admitted him. Blood & urine samples taken & nothing by mouth to give his stomach/bowels a rest & will get GI consult. Also had bad adominal pain. Was given Zofran IV for the nausea, though it didn't help as much. GI ordered a CT scan & endoscopy. I asked about something for pain but it seemed like no one wanted to prescribe anything. The pediatrician & GI agreed that Toradol was not an option due to possible stomach bleed. They felt a narcotic was no good due to bowel complaints. I was sort of aggravated because he was in a lot of pain & he's not a kid who complains. (As an aside, he told me he was planning to quit smoking pot on 9/4, the first day of school. I asked why wait & he said he wanted to enjoy the summer, etc. I did believe he wanted to stop on that date & he's always been a kid who when he says he's going to do something, he does it & he gives it his all.)
Saturday morning more IV Zofran & also gave him IV Ativan as he was increasingly nauseas, the pain was worse & he was definitely anxious. Ativan seemed to help the Zofran w/the nausea & for a few hours felt slightly better. The pain was bad & the doctor ordered a small dose of morphine. That helped a lot. The morphine wore off & now they're trying to get him to do the drink for the CT scan & the vomiting starts. The pain & nausea are back full force. The doc comes in with/the nurse. She's quite smug & had an attitude. She sits down & I ask what her plan was & was told again about the scan & endoscopy. I told her he was having trouble getting the drink down for the scan but he said he'd do his best. I asked what they would give him in the meantime for pain until we knew what was going on & was told she was not inclined to give any pain meds. I asked why & she very smugly told me he tested positive for marijuana. I told her I wasn't surprised & he had stated that in the ER. I was very clear that I had never approved of his smoking. I told her despite the positive pot screen, I felt he still needed a workup & help for the pain. She's still copping an attitude with me. I am worried, frustrated, and exhausted. She changed the Zofran to a stronger antacid & said he could have a dose of IV Ativan & melatonin to help him sleep. She stated the cause of all this was pot.
I was very surprised. I told her, in a nice way, I had never heard of that & I was under the impression, like a lot of people I think, that pot often helped nausea. She told me this is a very common thing, marijuana use causing the stomach trouble & in fact, they had four people inpatient for it this month.
A different doc saw him Sunday & he confirmed this illness was due to pot & it's getting more & more common. He felt the endoscopy would be the test that would tell us what was going on. He decided to let my son have some juice and could try some bland food and he was able to get a small amount of food down. The GI doctor came back & concurred this was likely due to pot use. By now I've done some research & though there's not a ton of info(that I could see that was current & there were different opinions about it but at this point I am convinced this is very real. My son was still doubting that he could become that ill due to pot use.)
Monday had endoscopy. That department confirms they're seeing more of this, mostly in males in the upper teen years to around age 30. Endoscopy showed substantial damage to esophagus & stomach. Was given a script for Prilosec &discharged. We get home & talk & he is still not convinced pot is the cause of. He's feeling better though still has some pain and slight nausea. He went out w/a friend & he felt really sick when he came home, nearly as bad as when he was admitted. Being a teen who knows everything, he had to test things out & he smoked a bit of pot while he was out. Now he has had a huge turnaround. He is convinced this illness was was at the very least exacerbated by the pot and most likely was the cause of it. He has told some of his friends (who of course don't believe it.) He told them he hopes none of them get sick like this and it is so not worth it.
Despite his pot smoking, he was a kid who was very anti-drug. He didn't consider pot to be a drug. My son drew a big distinction between pot & other drugs. Now he does believe that pot is dangerous & says if he had known, he never would have tried it. He has a long way to get his health back. This has scared him & I'm concerned for him as well.
He has to make big changes in his life. I wrote this because I'm sure lots of people don't know about it & even a lot of doctors are unaware of it. But it really did some serious damage to him. The GI doctor who did the endoscopy said he had severe esophagitis and severe gastritis and the damage she saw on endoscopy was consistent with what she has seen in other patients with this. (I think it's actually called cannabinoid vomiting syndrome.)
I hope anyone reading this understands how serious this can be. Smoking pot isn't as innocent as it seems. It has a lot more dangers than a lot of people thought.
It seems like it's found in heavy pot smokers (which he was.) There doesn't seem to be an overabundance of information on this topic. But he fits the criteria and they ruled out every other possible thing it could be. My guess is it won't happen to most people but it is a real syndrome. It could be a number of things that come together for it to get to the point he was at, genetics, type of weed, how big a smoker, etc.
I voted for legalization in MA, and I'm still all for that. I just wished that if this really was a real syndrome, why no one has ever spoken about it before. Last year his pediatrician had a very long talk about smoking pot and not once did this come up. I'm sure he'll be mentioning it from hereon in.
When I google it, it doesn't have a lot of information about it, and I wasn't able to find current information at all.
I voted for legalization in MA, and I'm still all for that. I just wished that if this really was a real syndrome, why no one has ever spoken about it before. Last year his pediatrician had a very long talk about smoking pot and not once did this come up. I'm sure he'll be mentioning it from hereon in.
When I google it, it doesn't have a lot of information about it, and I wasn't able to find current information at all.
I agree! My husband has Huntingtons Disease, an inherited untreatable genetic disease. He has been prescribed marijuana, he hasn't filled it yet due to lack of place to do so. I do not smoke marijuana but this could be the answer for him, as of right now he is on a lot of meds, zanax,ativan, vistril for naseau and anxiety, just to name a few, this pot could wipe out up to 5 of his meds. What you are saying is right because I am positive the pharmaceutical companies will stand to lose a lot when he does make the switch, but I don't care because it will improve his health, the meds he is on have a lot of side effects, they cause organ damage as well as make him lethargic and sometimes unable to function. These docs that tole her this are selfish and don't have her sons best interest at heart only the dollar factor and that is inhumane and sad. I hope she listens and gets a second opinion from a doc that cares.
I'm confused. You say that Marijuana is not as 'benign' as people think, and you came to that conclusion from some research you have done. I wonder, did these Doctors help you with that 'research' ? Remember this- many Doctors and PHARMA companies stand to lose A LOT of money if/when Marijuana is Legalized, since it has so many healing properties it's beyond belief. I'm talking they are facing losses of BILLIONS of dollars-so you think they aren't going to twist the truth in an effort to hold onto their Empire? Think.
Then , after mentioning the research you've done, you talk about how this Doctor told you that smoking Cocaine tears up the lining of the digestive system.
Which is it ?? Marijuana or Cocaine??! Because that's like comparing a BB gun to a Tomahawk Missle.
Then , after mentioning the research you've done, you talk about how this Doctor told you that smoking Cocaine tears up the lining of the digestive system.
Which is it ?? Marijuana or Cocaine??! Because that's like comparing a BB gun to a Tomahawk Missle.
Thanks, Vicki! (and others) I would love to hear what your brother thinks. Some doctors were very kind to both of us. Some treated both of us as druggies. I told one at one point that regardless of the positive tox screen, we stil have to go through everything to find out what's wrong and it is appropriate for pain meds considering the pain he's in. They took a giant leap from him being a pot smoker to him being a giant druggie. Vicki, I took him to our town hospital. I'm sure you can guess what the care there is like. There were some doctors who were excellent and also got their point across without shaming him.
As far as he is concerned, he's all done, never to pick it up again. I believe it likely has something to do with all the modifications of pot. It's not as benign as many think. (I got a bit of an education here. Over the days we were in, one GI doc said when people smoke cocaine, it affects the bowel and everything it can do to your nose, it can do the howe a well. Really interesting.
I am still thinking this is a blessing. My son will be fine and will remain healthy as long as he doesn't smoke. Hopefully he won't go back to it.
As far as he is concerned, he's all done, never to pick it up again. I believe it likely has something to do with all the modifications of pot. It's not as benign as many think. (I got a bit of an education here. Over the days we were in, one GI doc said when people smoke cocaine, it affects the bowel and everything it can do to your nose, it can do the howe a well. Really interesting.
I am still thinking this is a blessing. My son will be fine and will remain healthy as long as he doesn't smoke. Hopefully he won't go back to it.
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