Is OC the same as heroin?

[bigd234]

I have always heard that OC is "poor mans heroin" or atleast it was back in the day until the price of them skyrocketed past $50 each! agh..Hearing that and knowing or atleast believing it was the same made me try heroin because i just couldn't afford the OC. From what i heard its literally one molecule off from heroin, how true is this? You mean to tell me our government is allowing these drug companies to give us synthetic heroin? Thats crazy to me, but too late now i guess.. Please anyone with some incite on this, let me know. Thank You

[mr.lucky66]

You can have all the technical definition between the 2 narcotics, but dope is dope is dope. Heroin is more potent but it's all still dope. The main difference is that you always have to deal with thugs and criminals to get street dope and it's dangerous. don't do it!

[Flutterby111]

Are you young?  I mean, you are only like 20 right?  I was really young and wreckless too.  A little younger than you though when I was hating life, hated rules, hated everything... I screwed my self over.  I never did things like go to college, travel, but I did conquer alot of tough battles that held me captive then. Like street drugs.  I know you probably won't take anything I say seriously considering I'm here a pill popper, but I really came far...  I was on top of my stuff for YEARS before I got snatched up by addiction again.  But you're young enough, and if you don't have kids tying you down you have SO MUCH life to live for just yourself.  Not that kids aren't wonderful...but you've got years ahead of you....LIVE just F***ing LIVE would you?  Not high on dope!  I'm not sayin don't go out and party every now and again hit up a concert or two or whatever...but the downward spiral of addiction is UGLY, HIDEOUS, and it'll swallow you and you'll be aged before you know it wondering how you ended up wasting your life.  Please I beg you to stop in your tracks and rethink your next move.  Get help if you need to. We're here.

[jrizz]

hey man....how long have you been using, are you living in your own place..., what is your job, does your habit complicate that job, how much and what are you using each day, and do you have a girlfriend that uses with you?

[Flutterby111]

Good thinking....definately talk to someone.  You know the right thing to do to save your future and your life....

[bigd234]

actually i do think i do suffer from depression..i always say the reason i drown myself in this stuff is because of my ex girlfriend and all the bull i went through with that...she surely was not worth me throwing my life away like i did so far; sometimes i think im 20 already and my life is over and i cant do anything to better myself, but then at times i feel a little more positive (like when im on here) and feel i still have time to get my stuff together again, like go back to school and actually get a job n stop being this lazy bum that i been for the last year..depression has def. lead me to this..its a done deal, i am going to speak to someone when i get back home..thank you very much

[Beaten]

addictedme has it right on the mark. I'm no stranger to oc. I thought i could control it. but after a while it completly took over. I found myself making up stories so i could leave work to 20 minutes to go a score some oxy's. I lied to my parents about my finances so they would give me money. Pretty soon i had been so far and so deep that i was spending about 100 buckes a day. AND THAT WAS JUST TO FEEL NORMAL. At the end i couldn't even get high.

I do want to ask one question though. Do u think u may be suffering from depression. The reason i asked is because i suffered for two years with clinical depression and with the help of proper meds i was able to get my life on track. unfortunatly by then i was already neck deep in the oxy addiction. I think it was my depression that made me turn to drugs in the first place.  i dont know if thats the case with u its just that u sound alot like me 2 years ago.

[GoingToMakeIt]

Going to a counselor is an excellent idea. Knowing why you take drugs to cover things up in life is a huge help. Joining NA helps many here too.

[bigd234]

i been clean for 16 days...in the past i have let myself go through withdrawals for 4-6 days then it'd be over and i would start all over again..my family said i should be talking to someone, i plan to seek someone like a counselor when i get back home..i think i just have a problem dealing with things and handling them the right way..i need to find more positive ways to handle strenuous situations i guess.. thanks for the help so far..

[Jacqui805]

I was gonna sign off due to the body not being so happy right now, and I just had to reply to you.  The key here, is that for one, everyone is different. Two, how long have you been off?  Three, getting off the drugs won't fix the shi**y things in your life.  If they were that way to begin with, they sure as hell aren't gonna be rose colored now.  There are probably things that you could stand to better yourself with or for.  Some relationships, personal issues, health issues, life issues.  A little introspection right now may do a world of good for you.  If you're able to do this, a counselor might be a good option for you.  

Jacqui

[GoingToMakeIt]

bigd234, how long have you ever remained clean?

[addictedme]

yes,oc and heroin can be exactly alike. They"ll both ruin your life,you can very easily od and die from both,they"ll both lead you to places you dont want to be, They"ll both alianate you from friends and family. They"ll both make you think about them 24/7,they"ll both make you lie and steal,,lets see,,did I say they"ll both destroy your life.

[bigd234]

see whats scary to me..people on here n everywhere say..Oh life is so great without these drugs...and all this positive stuff which is great..but honestly...i dont feel that..whats wrong here for me..like my life without this stuff is boring n haev nothing to do and nothing to cheer me up..nothing to look forward to...except when i screw up n do it, n how good its gonna feel to just forget everyhting n just let go...ya know... call me crazy i guess

[GoingToMakeIt]

Jacqui had 3 weeks of sheer torment! Now we can't shut her down. This girl has more life in her than we know what to do with!!!!! LOL It is great to see her come out from under such a long withdrawal. She deserves to get her life back. I am so happy for her.

[Jacqui805]

I so hear ya there cat.  200 mcg's here.  Never again.  If truly sucked horribly for me for somewhere in between two to three weeks.  I still have some issues, but I'm not at all sure whether or not it's the w/d or just being ill.  I'm happy as hell to be here regardless, and have my mind back again.  It's amazing how you don't see how it affects you until you're not on it anymore.  Good for you for the three weeks, I know firsthand it's not an easy task!
Jacqui

[cat9841]

hey, I was on the fentanyl patch too, tomorrow will be 3 weeks off.  it was so hard those first 8 days, its truly better on the other side, not many people on fentanyl.  I sure don't ever want to go backwards either.
CAT

[Jacqui805]

All's I can say here is that I was on fentanyl which is super close to heroin and I ain't ever going back to it.  Although it treated my pain, it trashed my life.  I'm trying now to make up for four years of missed stuff.  

You say you're not ready to stop, and it doesn't sound like you are either.  Not judging here.  Just want you to read a lot of posts, particularly those in severe w/d, and having gotten through it.  The other side's so way better than that sh**, I swear.  If you can't  find any, read my journal from Day 9 on, but I'm sure you'll find some stuff right here nonetheless.  

I wish you the best of luck, all the strength you can muster, and the courage to listen to your gut.  It knows what to do.

Jacqui

[GoingToMakeIt]

In the same paragraph you say you won't use but if I use again. It tells me that your decision needs to be stronger. These drugs will rob you of all life inside of you. First it kills pain and also makes you feel good. Later it is just to cope. Stop while you are ahead.

[Flutterby111]

Yikes.  Of all the things I've tried, I've been way to scared to ever go to heroin....I'll say it again Yikes.

[bigd234]

I ask because i know if i was to screw up again, i'll skip the OC and go to the dope, just because its cheaper..I am so ashamed of myself, trust me--I cant even admit that i've done it..If someone asks i say NO WAY NEVER but im only lying to myself.. I know it gives the same feelings and takes away all the pain just like OC, thats why i did it--i hate myself for it. I am no longer using opiates but i find myself thinking about when i will or if i will when i get back home (i have no access where i am at, and that helps alot..But when i get home..aghh im scared) I want to stop but i dont...I feel like im just not ready to stop, but it probably always feel like that..Just want to do it a few more times, get wacked a few more times..Maybe i should be saying I know i should stop, but i dont feel i want to all the way..even knowing all the negative it brings, i just want to get back into it for a little more time..I've lost all my motivation and direction because of this, i am no longer the strong minded athlete i used to be in highschool, i threw alot away because of OCs and opiates ingeneral--I hate myself for that..and thats also why i keep doing it..I am 16 days into it now, its all mental now..I plan to stay strong but for how long is what scares me..

[GoingToMakeIt]

Why do you ask? Are you using an opiate still? Most of the common pain killers are derived from opium. All are addicting. OC ranks right up there as a very strong one.

[need2bfree]

I can't tell you how closely OC and Heroin are from a molecular point, but your comment "I tried Heroin because I can't afford the OC" scares me.  Please think about this.  Both OC and Heroin are HORRIBLY addicting and both can ruin your life.   You might be able to afford the Heroin now, but you will need more and more to feel the same. Before you know it you will not be able to afford it, but you won't be able to feel normal without it.  PLEASE, please don't take yourself down that road.

Do you want to quit your OC habit? Are you ready to stop?  There are a ton of people on this site who can give you support and love if you want to quit or want to talk about it.  I wish you all the luck in the world.