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RAPID DETOX/WAISMANN

OK... here we are. I have posted tonight in a few places as I am learning how this forum works. I am pondering the Waismann Method and at this point am scared to death at what I am reading. I have been on Vicodin 750's for 7 years. For a long time I never went past 2 a day. I am prescribed 100 V's a month and have found by the 3rd week I am out now; which means I have started taking 4-7 a day. I have been trying to wean off, but I am not having great luck. I am down to 2-3, then today, took 4. I feel like ****!

What scares me about this rapid detox is what if what others are saying is true and you feel worse? Then again, there are so many things we don't know about who is posting and their experiences and physical challenges with their pain management drugs.

I was in an accident in 2004 where I fell down a flight of cement stairs in the snow. I have always tried to remain responsible with this drug, but now feel I am starting to cross the line. I have read that others who are struggling are on more than I am and more powerful drugs. Does it make a difference at any point what you are on if you are physically addicted?

Hence, the Waismann Method. I would NOT try any others. I did call a place I think in Michigan and the woman was pretty scary. They do the method much cheaper and where it got a tiny bit more expense was the hotel you stayed in with one on one care. Can you imagine? It felt like a detox abortion house. I can understand why complications and deaths have occurred from this procedure that could be making it worse for a responsible place like Waismann. For the record. I don't work for Waismann, just making a point.

IN any event, is there anyone out there who could answer some of my questions. PLEASE :)))

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Hi..reading your post was like reading one of my first posts here. I was on a rather (comparitively speaking) low dose of oxycodone. I was prescribed them for 4 yrs. Unlike you I did stay at the precribed dose. I was definitely interested in the Rapid Detox..sounds wonderful..go under anesthesia and the worst is over. I understand it's $20,000.00. A 'little' to rich for my blood. The fact is that you are just now "crossing the line," and maybe 20 thou is ok with you..but in all honesty I would use that mney for an incredible vacation after going thru the w/d's. We are talking about 5-7 days of of really bad flu like symptoms. At the bottom of page see: Thomas's Recipe, Amino Acid Protocol. These are supplements, vitamins, etc..that will help with the w/d's. Like you, I was frightened of the w/d. Now I look back, it was totally doable. I felt like such a baby compared to others on incredibly high doses...if they can do this..I should be able to, right? Get gatorade int he house..staying hydrated is key. Get Immodium (no generic) for the possible diarreah (diarrhea). I'm not suggesting this for you..I'm just going to tell you what I did. I tapered the oxycodoned down to the lowest dosage possible..and the jumped. It took me 7 days. It was advised for me because of health problems. It's not an option for many, especially if they have no one to hold the pills. This is what worked for me. That and the determination that I just could not continue living like I was...I wanted to be me again. I have 52 days clean of opiates today. That feels good.
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I agree with donewits at lest give it a go on your own first we do home detoxes every day here read up on them as for wisman we have had several members go threw there progam its not all a bed of roses we had 1 good response out of those who went and im skeptical it wasent someone from wisman drumming up bissness most said everybody was to sick to enjoy the spa afterwords and from what I know about detoxing it always takes a wile to feel better both physically and mentally they cant take the cravings from you or the drug seeking behavior only aftercare can do that best off to save your money if you need to detox and cant do it yourself there are pleanty of places for 5 grand that can help you and will rehab you also personally I would give it a shoy on my own first you my suprize yourself good luck and God bless......Gnarly    
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Wow, on the dose you are on, I don't see any reason you should waste your money.  Spend the money on some home remedies and a few days at the beach or mountains in a hot tub soaking it away!  When you wake up from rapid detox, you still have a few days of feeling bad to endure.  You will do that no matter what, so why spend money to do it?  I know WD seems scary as hell, but it's going to be scary either way.  Can you speak with a doctor and get some clonidine? If you are just so scared of the WDs, let me tell you that clonidine is a BP med, non addictive and takes 80 percent of it away.  What scares you most about the WDs?  We can give you some ideas of home remedies for almost any symptom you have.  I'm not saying it's easy, but it's worth a try!
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Please do your homework on this.  If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is~~~sara
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The fear of W/D tends to keep  us on the pills.  The reality is it is not as bad as you think.  Yes it s u c k s, but all in all the hardest part is the first 72 hours.  I am a 60 year old woman who did it and I know you can at the dosage you are on.  Whether you jump cold turkey or taper..you will have W/D.  Listen to the board they have been wonderful in helping.  Many have said that the brain wants you to take those pills and the pain level was actually not what they expected when clean.  Once you get off you can then see how you feel and if non narco analgesics will work for you with other non drug therapies....but you have to get off the pills before you can tell.  I really believe you can do it without the large expense!  Just say after this is over, I am going to treat myself to a great spa vaca and do it!! Massages,  facials, mani pedi..the works.  AHHHHH!  Dang now I want to do that too!
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FIRST OF ALL, thank you... and I hope the responses keep coming in. What I need to figure out is what works for me as far as tapering down. How to do it. Let's say I am on 4-5 a day now from the 7-8 I was starting to do, but also remember, I have been taking this **** for 7 years... how do I taper?

Once I get a protocol down, I am going to start a journal here for those people who want to do what I do instead of paying the big bucks. Rapid Detox scares me for so many reasons. Look, I am 54 years old and still look good. But recently I have noticed the haggered vicodin hag look and that was when I said ok.. ENOUGH!

I woke up this morning to all of you and thought, holy ****! Someone read my post and actually commented. So in essence, I would like to inspire someone else to do what I will try first.

I don't leave the house anymore. It seems that the vicodin has lead me to feeling very reclusive. I am living in a state that I hate to begin with, but that has nothing to do with the vicodin and everything to do with being a Jewish / Italian Mom LOL... needless to say, it has not helped that I have kepted myself away from people. My day started today as follows.

Out of dog food. Well, how many vicodin am I going to take that will prevent me from driving to get more food? Well, take the dose this morning and before the next dose, get the dog food and come home. Totally sick thinking if you ask me...

So I will wait for all of your responses on what to do next. Obviously what I am doing is not working. Not at all.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for all being here to hold my hand. Let's do this together and see where it goes so that I may help others going through what I am going through.

Much Love, Moonstar
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Can you seek advice from your Dr. regding taper? He/She could work up a taper schedule? It's against the rules here to advise on a schedule. What I did was get a notebook and I wrote the mg/time/day.That was a lifesaver for me. I took the oxy. at the same time every day..and just having it on paper...kept me from randomly taking at different times of day. More regimented. I did what worked for me..and went from 45mg to O in 7 days. It's said this is 2/3 mental and 1/3 physical.  So additude is so important . Making a decision that your life will no longer be controlled by a bottle of pills, rather..you take the control back..and my mantra was, "have to be okay not being okay for awhole" (Gnarly).
Another piece of advise: Tell your Dr. that you don't want to be prescribed narcotics any longer. That they are effecting your life in a very negative way. Many here got their drug of choice (DOC) from the street..they had to tell their source to stop calling them..etc. Well, our source is the Dr. and from everything I have read here..cutting off your 'source' is imperative to a clean life.
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attitude not additude..yikes :/
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awhile not awhole... I have to start proofing before hitting that button  :)
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Hi Moonstar:

Okay!  The responses are great for you and all say the same thing:

Try it on your own first.

Ask the prescribing doctor,or any doctor, for a taper plan and some supportive meds.

How committed are you? If completely, you can do this!  Tapering can be difficult BUT it's really a mindset. I think CT is a huge shock and we see it time after time. Personally, I tapered off a very large,daily pill intake. I had to. It was a barbiturate...

The whole thing with tapering(and I can't say much because it's against forum policy) is to decrease the daily pill intake by small amounts over a LONG period of time. It's not a race and this is a process. We tend to always want what we want WHEN we want it!!  But, this has to be slow...

Let us know if you have anymore questions. We're here to help and support you!
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Oh and the Rapid Detox....please forget about it. A body can only take so much and believe me, a 20 year old would have a hard time!!
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What should you do next?  I think vicki gave you great advice.  (she's my hero, BTW) What you want to do, if you want to taper is gradually reduce the dose, probably a pill a week???  That's what I've heard.  I didn't taper.  NO self control!!!

We will totally "hold your hand!"  I could not have made it without having mine held!!
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your story is similar to mine, and i suspect many other's. i too started on vicodin, but as my tolerance built i found myself taking more and more. Im not a doctor but from what i understand there is a real danger of taking more than recommended, and not just the obvious od. i think there are other ingredients that overwhelm the kidneys as we take more than they can process. im glad you managed to keep the dosage relatively low for so long, 7 years after i started i was snorting extended release oxycontins, the equivalent of over 20 vics a day. i used to have just enough to stop the onset of withdrawals, every few hours. my wife never knew..i too made taper graphs, trying to stretch out my pills and gradually decline for as long as possible, but for me when i was out and my body realized, the withdrawals began. I have heard many people managed to go through it and are now clean and happy, and i admire their ability to endure such discomfort. i wish i could, and believe me i tried for years. i saw doctors and was on suboxone, and tapering from that was just as bad for me..i went back and forth on suboxone and oxy, and made so many taper graphs it was hell.
     The bottom line is this, whatever you need to do to be free is worth it, whatever works.There is much sage advice here about how to minimize your discomfort, and many helpful caring people are behind you..As you specifically asked about Waismann, i can address that as i went through their rapid detox in july 07. I have read many opinions, some obviously more anecdotal than others, but i can tell you of my experience and give you one persons perspective, firstly i can tell you that the idea you can actually feel worse is insane to me..i certainly didnt, especially after going through cold turkey a few times.
  Anyway, my wife found my stash and 2 days later we met with the staff at Waismann..I felt really bad but was treated with compassion ( which i didnt feel i deserved but was really comforting), and we decided to go ahead.I dont really know all the medical stuff ( talk to them?) but when it was done, sure i felt crappy. Not as bad as i had done many times before, not a craving, more like a really weak and strange feeling..i expected my arms to start sweating after a couple of hours but they didnt so ui knew things had changed. I wont lie and say i bounced out the hospital, but i knew this was the start of a good thing, a thing i had been fighting for for years,Anyway, i felt lethargic and had some ( very) unsolid stools ( sorry)for a few days after and was worried my wife was going to leave me( hasnt yet!)  
    I absolutely enjoyed the spa/jacuzzi at their aftercare facility and it seemed to help, food was great, nurses and staff really humane, i felt so undeserving of this level of care but thats my issue i guess.
    Within a month i was going to the gym which i hadnt done for 20 years, and have been training for competative muay thai! im 45 next year and really was given another chance, one that im eternally grateful for and which motivates me to try and set the record straight regarding some of the misinformation thats out there..This is just my experience but research the facts.
     im not a spokesman for them either, just really glad they were there when the only other option wouldnt have ended so well..good luck with whatever you decide to do, just do something!  
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