Similarity of fentanyl (Duragesic) to heroin. . .

[Kurt Cobain]

Hey everyone. . .just a discussion-opener and thread-starter for the day.  I've read several posts from folks here who have used/are coming off of Duragesic (fentanyl) patches of varying strengths.  Seems like most of these folks, however, have had them prescribed for legit reasons and have used them as directed.  My question is, is anyone else familiar with the NON-approved methods of using these patches (that would include mainly ingeston)?  Back in "the day", I would either cut them up or place them intact inside my mouth, and then. . .over and out (to the point of underestimating strength once and almost getting killed several times while driving home).  As I understand, medical fentanyl can actually be stronger and more "pure" than garden-variety smack, especially the way I took it.  Any other opinions/experiences would be interesting to hear. . .some of the things I did to get my hands on this drug are extreme, and I am most certainly NOT proud of any of them. . .seems very similar to heroin as far as the "drawing power" it had to get me to do things I would have otherwise (and now) find reprehensible.  Also, I've had bad dreams the last several nights about using everything under the sun, and so am a little shaken up these days -- especially since I've had no CONSCIOUS cravings for the **** in what seems like forever.  Can anyone else relate?  

Lastly (I promise). . .what is the "DA" BBoard I've heard several here refer to (and where?)  Judes, good to hear from you, maybe you can help with this. . .more later.  Thanks to everyone in advance. . .

Peace,

Kurt

[afriend]

To some, fentanyl is also refered to as china white, go figure, best wishes on your quest Curt! friends, afriend////////the juice in those patches has also known to have been sucked up with a syringe, I, wouldn't do that, of course!

[pammy0690]

Good luck with your new job!  Congratuations and you should be smiling! Pammy

[Chezz2]

Kip,

Glad to hear it is working out. I remember how long it has taken you to finally find a position. So that is so nice to hear you finally got something.
About the Cable vs. Dsl. If the dsl is free that is great. Although I was a DSL tech for a while here, until my back couldn't handle it anymore. What a joke it was compared to the Cable service I have now. Especially since I am running around 3k download, and the fastest I ever got on dsl was around 384k download, if you wanted more bandwith you had to pay. For 1.5k it was $69.95 a month. The company I worked for was SBC Yahoo dsl, it is a joke. Shitty software, shitty company, just an all around joke. I felt bad for the company. I actually worked for an outsourcer that took care of DSL tech issues for them. The problem was, I couldn't fix much, the company, software, servers, ect. ALL sucked. We had rbacks go down all the time(they are the main servers that usually handle around 6-10,000 people.  Plus they had to log in with a user name and password each time they wanted to connect. What happened to DHCP when you would just pick up an open ip, all in the backround when you opened your browser. Not anymore, it is just like dial up. It is so they can oversell IP address's. You had to log on to DSL, what the ****?!?!?
Enough of my rant.
Glad you got a job Buddy, I hope everything works out for the best for you,
Chezz

[skipper]

hey people (salt of the earth and all);

thaxs for the info about the urine test... it put my mind at some ease... i can't really go into a lot of detail about it except that i am doing old time type phone work in residentual enviroment. the telecom slang is "pots" wich means plain old telephone service.kind of a step back from gbix eithernet and frame relay service!! but the pay is good....$13.00 an hour straight pay with $4.OO  an hour for tool and truck allowence (tax free too). in short it's the best offer i've gotten so far. i'm garunteed 40 hours a week. this week was my first week on the job and i put in one long day (today). all told my actual work time was 13 hours, but i am being paid for 49 hours!!! i may have to hire some one to periodically kick me in the ass....just so i know and keep in mind it's not a nod and it probably won't last forever...

all this boils down to lots of time for poetry and woodworking in my shop!! perhaps god gave my case a hard study and decided this is as close to a real job as this old burn out can handle....who knows. sometime in the near future theae good people will send me a lap-top computer so i can also set the ignorants up for DSL service. of couse that mean i will have to have a DSL service into my house (at no cost to me). i already have broad-band cable service, but a DSL service might be intresting....so i guess i can live with the somewhat lower pay than the university of no where whatever was paying me...we will see...more to be revealed as the slogan goes!

i have to admit i've caught myself in a smile a lot lately!!!

i guess that old angel on my shoulder is as sweet as irish rose when she is having a good day!!

at any rate keep an angel on your shoulder too, ok?
kip

[Chezz2]

Skipper,

Nice to see you posting again. I hope things finally work out for you with this job.

On the testing issue. It is a cost thing, the more they add to the test, the more it costs. As far as I know, testing for oxycodone is one of the more expensive tests. As they have to test for more than just metabolites. Same with testing for Marijuana as far as I know, it is another expensive test the longer they want to test out. In other words the lower levels of thc they want to find. So instead of just finding out if you smoked last week (higher, easier detectable levels) vs. 3 weeks to a month out. It is harder and a more in depth test.
It is all about money. Most companies have a "screen" that they pay for. It costs x amount of money and will test for x amount of drugs. If you want to order a higher level more indepth initial screening = more money to the hirering company.
Just my $.04 cents worth.
Keep an angel on your shoulder kip, and good luck with the new job...I hope it all works out, it is about time for you to have some luck come your way......
Chezz

[Huiler]

Hi, Kip,
Yes, at our methadone clinic the lab we used to use caught everything when we tested for opiates. Then we changed to another lab and discovered that oxycodone (oxycontin, percoset, roxicet, etcicet (haha)) do not come up under their screen for opiates.
(And people were coming up positive for opiates and saying "It's my percoset prescription.") Actually, to modify that, they could come up positive for opiates if they were taking huge amounts of oxycodone (more than a a prescription would usually be for.) That's what the lab said...
H.