Aa
Thanks, you and I have many similarlities. I have told my wife a little, but not the whole scene. Yes, you are right, I have this board and it has helped immensely, thank you all.
Frank
Frank
The only part of your post I do not aggree with is you have NO support. Bro, you have us man. In the beginning this forum was ALL I had. It took me a while to get the courage to tell my wife. Once I did though, it was the largest load off my shoulders. you see she doesn't even drink socially let alone use so it was so hard for her to understand. I totally relate to your work situation. I'm the general manager of a company in charge of about 40 employees who had no idea that I was using the "Dragon". I not only hid it from my wife but also from them. They all, wife included, just thought I was an ******* a lot of the time (low stash times). Now my wife and employees think a miracle happened, and I can tell you it did the GOD. With Divine intervention leading me here, the support of the 'angels" on this forum and the love of my family I got through the worst of times. Now all I have to deal with is the "Dragon whispers" that call sometimes. When it happens I come here and read some posts to remind me of how far I have come and why I know I can't "chip" even one time. My heart and prayers go out to you dude, just know that we are here for you to lean on when you need us.
Power & Magick 2 U,
Peace & Light on us all,
Wiz
Power & Magick 2 U,
Peace & Light on us all,
Wiz
Thanks. I sent a letter to the doc today. The irony? I was given a huge promotion - there were 200 people in attendance applauding - no one at work knows I am a junkie. I feel like such a fraud. I do think I can use my own detox plan ( Wiz et al i appreciate your stories) - the only draw back is that I have no supprort group./ The doc wants me to go to AA and my therapist says she is afraid of me because of all the drugs I am on. So neither are up for treating me just yet.
It's you guys tonight and I'll see what the mighty doc allows tomorrow.
ONE thing i can say for sure, I both loathe and need these drugs. I wish there was a simple path.
THanks and a good night to all - will keep you posted and I appreciate you being there for me - it has made a difference.
F.;
It's you guys tonight and I'll see what the mighty doc allows tomorrow.
ONE thing i can say for sure, I both loathe and need these drugs. I wish there was a simple path.
THanks and a good night to all - will keep you posted and I appreciate you being there for me - it has made a difference.
F.;
Review of this forum has confirmed what I feared....I crossed
over this thread in an effort to understand my recent diagnosis
of epilepsy. Dispite years of alchol addiction that I success-
fully kicked once for 5 years I experienced three G.Mal seizures
this last month for the first time. (I was not detoxing, no recent binging but some recent use of coke.) Even having detoxed in rehab once and on my own once I did not put the two together. (I thought I had a shelf fall on my head at home causing me to lose two days with no recollection of the accident...I had no unusual drinking or drugging pattern to make me think detox or OD.)
I was put on Dilatin after the #2 GM. No identification of
the possible association of alchol by my Dr....I had no clue. As I have never experienced such a serious medical event over which I had no control, I have been decreasing all med. consumption except cigarettes. Of coursed I seized at work, a family business, and ended up in the hospital. This is a company Dr., who has treated my sister for a massive stroke....so there is no chance to share my conclusions without worrying my folks ...they are rasing the kids for my disabled sister, for about another year until I get them. I cannot go into rehab...I run the family business...
So here I sit, to afraid to stop and to afraid to continue to take anything!!!.....That will show the powers to be to skip me next time free will is passed out.
over this thread in an effort to understand my recent diagnosis
of epilepsy. Dispite years of alchol addiction that I success-
fully kicked once for 5 years I experienced three G.Mal seizures
this last month for the first time. (I was not detoxing, no recent binging but some recent use of coke.) Even having detoxed in rehab once and on my own once I did not put the two together. (I thought I had a shelf fall on my head at home causing me to lose two days with no recollection of the accident...I had no unusual drinking or drugging pattern to make me think detox or OD.)
I was put on Dilatin after the #2 GM. No identification of
the possible association of alchol by my Dr....I had no clue. As I have never experienced such a serious medical event over which I had no control, I have been decreasing all med. consumption except cigarettes. Of coursed I seized at work, a family business, and ended up in the hospital. This is a company Dr., who has treated my sister for a massive stroke....so there is no chance to share my conclusions without worrying my folks ...they are rasing the kids for my disabled sister, for about another year until I get them. I cannot go into rehab...I run the family business...
So here I sit, to afraid to stop and to afraid to continue to take anything!!!.....That will show the powers to be to skip me next time free will is passed out.
Review of this forum has confirmed what I feared....I crossed
over this thread in an effort to understand my recent diagnosis
of epilepsy. Dispite years of alchol addiction that I success-
fully kicked once for 5 years I experienced three G.Mal seizures
this last month for the first time. (I was not detoxing, no recent binging but some recent use of coke.) Even having detoxed in rehab once and on my own once I did not put the two together. (I thought I had a shelf fall on my head at home causing me to lose two days with no recollection of the accident...I had no unusual drinking or drugging pattern to make me think detox or OD.)
I was put on Dilatin after the #2 GM. No identification of
the possible association of alchol by my Dr....I had no clue. As I have never experienced such a serious medical event over which I had no control, I have been decreasing all med. consumption except cigarettes. Of coursed I seized at work, a family business, and ended up in the hospital. This is a company Dr., who has treated my sister for a massive stroke....so there is no chance to share my conclusions without worrying my folks ...they are rasing the kids for my disabled sister, for about another year until I get them. I cannot go into rehab...I run the family business...
So here I sit, to afraid to stop and to afraid to continue to take anything!!!.....That will show the powers to be to skip me next time free will is passed out.
over this thread in an effort to understand my recent diagnosis
of epilepsy. Dispite years of alchol addiction that I success-
fully kicked once for 5 years I experienced three G.Mal seizures
this last month for the first time. (I was not detoxing, no recent binging but some recent use of coke.) Even having detoxed in rehab once and on my own once I did not put the two together. (I thought I had a shelf fall on my head at home causing me to lose two days with no recollection of the accident...I had no unusual drinking or drugging pattern to make me think detox or OD.)
I was put on Dilatin after the #2 GM. No identification of
the possible association of alchol by my Dr....I had no clue. As I have never experienced such a serious medical event over which I had no control, I have been decreasing all med. consumption except cigarettes. Of coursed I seized at work, a family business, and ended up in the hospital. This is a company Dr., who has treated my sister for a massive stroke....so there is no chance to share my conclusions without worrying my folks ...they are rasing the kids for my disabled sister, for about another year until I get them. I cannot go into rehab...I run the family business...
So here I sit, to afraid to stop and to afraid to continue to take anything!!!.....That will show the powers to be to skip me next time free will is passed out.
[Wizard], Thanks for the kind words. I have a ways to go, three years experience and some more classes and getting off the narcs.
The Klonopin will have to be my seizure medication because the rest cause havoc on my system, but the rest of the stuff I plan to cut away from except Motrin for pain control and maybe Ultram for the Fibro or Lupus, whatever it is. But I am going to stay away from the heavier stuff. I know I will abuse it just like the Codiene. The dragon would be roaring with delight! And the wildcat would be going downhill on the landslide to disaster!!!! I wrote a song named that about addiction. Many others too.
Anyway I hope you are doing well and hanging in there. Best wishes and prayers to you along with a touch of my jungle wildcat power. Only God has the real power though!
[Frank] take it easy on the withdrawal. If you do try it, you will know when it is time to quit. If you go stiff and shake violently and can't move and then feel like **** when you come out of it or don't even remember it, you'll know you had better get to the in-patient unit for detox. You don't want a permanent seizure disorder like I have from improper detoxing!!! I'll be praying for you. I say take out one thing at a time. Take out the booze first. The benzo may have to be increased temporarily to stop the DT's and seizures. Once you are past that, make sure you don't go back to it for at least one month before trying another detox. If you cannot stay off the booze one month. than you know the out-patient will never work. Addiction is a disease that controls us completely. We have to get past the withdrawals and psychological stuff and it takes not having it available because we are dependent on it completly. Our bodies litterally need it to survive, and that's why it take professionals and weeks to detox properly. And hopefully then get into a solid support program besides only us here and stay around people that don't use so you don't relapse. It's hard but if you are determined enough you can eventually beat the dragon. But it may take several attempts. Don't give up from backsliding. just stop again where you left off and keep going without putting yourself down and making it worse.
Sometimes putting yourself through the torture of withdrawal may make you never want to touch the stuff again. I can't imagine going through what I went through again. I just don't see how I did it. It was only God's help and great counseling by truely compasionate people like us.
Lord God be with us all tonight! have a good day Frank and hang in there.
wildcat
Frank, I'm only going to speak for me. I said before I have NO medical training except being used for a guinea pig from time to time. You seem to be on a lot of different addicting substances at one time and I don't know about the seizure thing myself. I went "cold turkey" myself at home with only the support of my wife and this forum. My dr.bailed out on me when he freaked about a dumb ass seminar he went to that said he'd get in trouble if he tried to wean his patients himself. I told him fine I'll do it myself because I wasn't gonna go away anywhere unless I couldn't do it. This is what I was taking prior to kicking. For about 8-9 years I was taking Vicodan es 8 at a time twice a day 4 .5 ativans at night for sleep. 3 years ago after back surgery, I added to the regiment 3 500mg Somas to the 8 Vics in the morning and added 4 oxycontins 20mg.each NOT chewed in the afternoon still taking 4 .5 ativans at night. This went on for the last 3 years. On April 29,2001 I stopped the oxy,Soma, Hydros after I caught myself drinking cough syrup with codein because I was running low on the oxy's. I said enough..... I continued to take the Ativan at night. I now am tapering that to nothing. I'm currently at 1 Ativan.5 in the morning and 1 Ativan.5 at night. I am shortly going to drop the morning benzo and then eventually the night. It can Be done. Not easy but CAN BE DONE. I pray an awful lot and I now feel better than I have in many years. As I said Frank this is just how I did it. Everybody is different. I did use Thomas ' L-Tyrosine formula and it WORKED WELL. I'm not suggesting that you do what I did. Only you know how you feel man. Whatever you decide bro, I'll be praying for you.
Power & Magick 2 U,
Peace & Light on U 2,
Wiz
Power & Magick 2 U,
Peace & Light on U 2,
Wiz
Wizard, Wildcat, Thomas ( you still there??) and everyone..
Well, got the fax from the doc today. He changed my detox plan from 14 weeks to 7, wants me in AA meetings ( look at my post 7/15 to see what I think of AA), I apologized to the board about my AA comments because I don't want to offend anyone, but you won't find me at one of those meetings. What scares me is that he wants me to detox from everything, ethanol, xanax, hydrocodone, codiene phosphate, darvon, valium - all at once. The ehtanol he wants detoxed in 7 days - tell me I won't seizure with the other substances on the wane. The rest he changed from 14 weeks to 4. When I get down to 15 mgs of hydros ( remember I have been on the hydos for 5 years and I am at 80 mgs a day now) he wants cold turkey hydo withdrawl. I sent him a fax asking what the hell I am going to use in the interim.
I am now getting scared and, although everything you guys say and I read, says it's impossible, I am wondreing if I should blow this guy off and try to do this myself. I would like your candid opinons about his detox plans.
Thanks and hope you are all well tonight.
FLEE
Well, got the fax from the doc today. He changed my detox plan from 14 weeks to 7, wants me in AA meetings ( look at my post 7/15 to see what I think of AA), I apologized to the board about my AA comments because I don't want to offend anyone, but you won't find me at one of those meetings. What scares me is that he wants me to detox from everything, ethanol, xanax, hydrocodone, codiene phosphate, darvon, valium - all at once. The ehtanol he wants detoxed in 7 days - tell me I won't seizure with the other substances on the wane. The rest he changed from 14 weeks to 4. When I get down to 15 mgs of hydros ( remember I have been on the hydos for 5 years and I am at 80 mgs a day now) he wants cold turkey hydo withdrawl. I sent him a fax asking what the hell I am going to use in the interim.
I am now getting scared and, although everything you guys say and I read, says it's impossible, I am wondreing if I should blow this guy off and try to do this myself. I would like your candid opinons about his detox plans.
Thanks and hope you are all well tonight.
FLEE
Wildcat, you keep it up! I truly believe the best HAVE BEEN there. You will be great at what you do!
Frank, please DO keep the open mind and take the ride. Sounds like your doc is trying to help. I'm here in both of your corners rooting and praying for you.
Good Luck and may God bless you both.
Power & Magick 2 U,
Wiz
Frank, please DO keep the open mind and take the ride. Sounds like your doc is trying to help. I'm here in both of your corners rooting and praying for you.
Good Luck and may God bless you both.
Power & Magick 2 U,
Wiz
The doc looked at my detox proposal of 14 days and said he is sending me a quicker plan. He also wants me off ethanol quicker than I had proposed. And, he wants me off the rather small amount (IMHO) I took of valium for 12 years before all these problems. I am keeping an open mind, scared and ready to try the out paitient route. I appreciate your kind, wise words and will keep in touch.
F.
F.
Frank-
I hate to be the party pooper, but I don't think out-patient will work, espexially with as many different things you are on.
I was only on alcohol when I first tried to self detox and failed miserably as mentioned above.
Then I tried the doctor with some meds fast in-patient 10 days and relapsed in only four, I was not past the main withdrawal and still having seizures.
She punished me by cutting me off from the Klonopin she put me on and I went through the above mentioned again, only this time I almost died. I had to beg her to put me back in and she said at least six weeks. I did and got off the booze. Like your doc she wanted me off the Klonopin too but my anxiety disorder and newly created seizure disorder prevented it and made her really angry.
She says anyone addicted to anything will eventually go back to their original favorite. I disagreed and have not yet after 1 1/2 years. I changed psychiatrists because she was going to cold turkey cut me off from the Klonopin 12 MG a day I was taking.
The other psych doc knows I need it for the seizures.
Since you are on so much, it will be extra hard esspecially if he wants you off the benzos too by the end. You will have anxiety and that may lead back to self medication unless you cannot get to it. That's where the six weeks in-patient helps. The withdrawal and cravings are reduced or gone by then and only psychological cravings which programs will help you with staying clean.
Good luck I hope you can do it, but don't rule out in-patient treatment. There are strict confidentiality laws and although I live on a small island, people except those that work here don't know about me being in here unless I told A.A. members or I told talk radio programs myself to educate the public that our legal drug alcohol is the worst of the worst. Another alcohol related driving death last night, maybe two. Almost every day, it's disgusting.
Yes, I now work here, my home away from home!!!!LOL I am working toward being a drug and alcohol counselor. A big change from typhoon forecater!!!!! They say those that have been there make the best counselors!!!!
I wish you and everyone else luck and happiness. God bless us all and chase away those dragons!!!!!!!!
luv, wildcat
That is great news Bro! Sounds like you got a program that will work with the amount of effort you have put into it. Please do keep in touch as I'm sure ALL of us are not only interested but want to cheer you on each step of the way! Good luck and Godspeed!
Power & Magick 2 U,
Peace & Light on us all,
Wizard
Power & Magick 2 U,
Peace & Light on us all,
Wizard
That is wonderful news, and you really sound like you have made your mind up, and this is what you plan to do definately!!!!
16-weeks sounds very workable, with hopefully, little discomfort!!!
I just want to wish you good luck, and you know we are all here when you need us!
Lv Jenny
16-weeks sounds very workable, with hopefully, little discomfort!!!
I just want to wish you good luck, and you know we are all here when you need us!
Lv Jenny
Yep, I was altarboy back in the Latin days! I still remember the smell of Sherry and Port in the sacristy(sp), there were cases of it. Sure we had a nip or two! It was unnerving to go out there and play altarboy with all those people watching,he,he! J.B.
LOL!!! A HOOT it is for sure. I can't say that I have but maybe it's because of all the "wine" we start drinking so early on! The best part of being an altar boy when I was a kid was so we could sneak out a bottle of the un-consicrated wine and make ourselves sick playing grown up! LOL On the other hand, whether we've fallen away or not maybe we have an inside line to "guardian angels" that lead us to help! LOL I'M JUST KIDDING! Nobody beat me up for that one! ROFLMAO! Be an interesting study anyway J.B. Have a Rainbow of a day and I'll be atcha later!
Power & Magick 2 U,
Peace & Light on us all,
Wiz (hiccup!) excuse me ;-)
Power & Magick 2 U,
Peace & Light on us all,
Wiz (hiccup!) excuse me ;-)
All this talk about religion is a hoot! I'm Catholic as well.
The last time I was in drug rehab, an addiction specialist told me that my chances for recovery were below average. She explained to me that American Indians and Irish Catholics are genetically predisposed to addiction! I thought that idea was a crock of sh*t at the time but have always wondered about it.
Ever hear of anything like this before? J.B.
The last time I was in drug rehab, an addiction specialist told me that my chances for recovery were below average. She explained to me that American Indians and Irish Catholics are genetically predisposed to addiction! I thought that idea was a crock of sh*t at the time but have always wondered about it.
Ever hear of anything like this before? J.B.
Wizard, I just wrote a long post and somehow deleted it accidently and I am so tired but I'll try again. It won't be the same, the first time is always the best.
I started to say I am sorry I took you wrong about what you said. That was just my Neurosis (insecurity) showing through. I did not realize that guy was an important philosopher. And I do enjoy your old mideivil spelling? style, I think it is great. I even collect that type of stuff and have a crystal ball on top of my table. I think your posts have contributed alot to this forum and you have a very compassionate heart. Never mind the little slip this morning with the doc, it was a lame answer on his part.
My prayers go out to all on this forum especially those who are in pain or withdrawing tonight! I know the dragon is too hard for me to slay right now. Just the thought of trying to get off the Klonopin makes me cringe. I heard it's worse than alcohol withdrawal and most of the other benzos because of it's long half life. Although I am used to seizures because now they are shorter and milder than before and relatively controlled. But I fear the thought of the violent 45 minute seizures and DT's. I never want to go through that again. I don't think I'd live this time I am too worn down. Maybe someday in the future.
Anyway, I had better go for now since I am so tired I almost deleted by accident again. I am so happy you answered my post and am sorry you had to explain, I should have read the good in it but again I get insecure, I call it my Temporal Lobe Lapse. I really enjoy your posts and can tell you have a compassionate heart of gold. Take care, God bless you all and keep you safe.
wildcat
wizard,
I apologize for even thinking the negative thoughts. Like I said it's my own insecurity showing itself. It's one of my main spychological hangups. I really did not know he was a philosopher. Thank you for the compliment. I didn't think I had offended you because I had never said anything negative, but my mind was just in one of those unstable modes I guess. I truely care for everyone on this forum and I especially like your style. The midievel spelling? style is great. I used to collect little things in brass like that. I am sorry for upsetting the boat, just a little storm wave passing by. Temporal Lobe Tempest!
It's the end of my work day now and I am really tired. My prayers are with you and everyone on the forum, especially those suffering in pain and enduring withdrawal tonight. A few are trying hard but as you say the Dragon is a tough one to slay. I truly would be scared to death to try to detox off the Klonopin. I heard it's alot worse than alcohol or any of the other benzos because of it's long half life. If I dropped a pill a month as the doctor would suggest, it would literaly take one year!! Although I am used to seizures, they are mostly mild and controlled now. The thought of the violent 45 minute seizures and DT's makes me cringe every time I even see the words. I don't think I would make it though that again. I am too worn down. Maybe someday in the future. Well I had better go for now,
thanks for answering my post and sorry you had to explain,
Wildcat my friend, and I REALLY mean dear friend, what I said was the HUGEST compliment that I personally could give to anybody. St. Thomas Aquinas is one of my favorite philosophers and one of the greatest minds of all time. You took me wrong for sure. I was totally agreeing with you. My comment of me maybe not being popular to the rest of the world was meant to be philsophical about ME because it might not be politically correct in this day and age for such "archaic" faith that I might have. Wildcat, I respect you tremendously...please, there is NO ONE on this forum that I dislike and I hope that we are all open minded enough to respect all kinds of point of views. The only shot that I have ever taken at anybody on this forum was this morning to Dr. Steve and after I did i immediately apologized because it was uncalled for. I have never been offended by anyone her stateing their point of view. If I came accross as I was offended by you and was in some way retaliating,
then you have my DEEPEST apology. As i stated publicly to Dr. Steve, this is not my nature. Please forgive me as I love everyone here. I just wanted to make it clear that for me, my Catholic faith has helped me through some very big crisis' in my life. hoping that I'm still in your circle of friends as I think of you, God Bless you and good evening.
Power & Magick 2 U,
Wiz
then you have my DEEPEST apology. As i stated publicly to Dr. Steve, this is not my nature. Please forgive me as I love everyone here. I just wanted to make it clear that for me, my Catholic faith has helped me through some very big crisis' in my life. hoping that I'm still in your circle of friends as I think of you, God Bless you and good evening.
Power & Magick 2 U,
Wiz
[wizard], sorry if you were saying something and I mistook as something else. I have a habit of thinking the negatives first, a bad habit of mine I guess from the low self esteem that goes with addiction and especially the seizure disorder. Thank you if it was supposed to be a compliment. I still don't know who that person is however.
[Frank Lee], Thanks for the response. I think you will do okay during intake. Tell them you have considered suicide when you tried detoxing yourself and they are more likely to take you in and then detox you while you are there. That's what I had to do here because they don't intake just for detox here.
You're place may be different though. Of course detox can make you temorarily feel suicidal anyhow especially if you go into the seizures or DT's. They will know that. Just be completely honest with the amount and what you use. It will make a major difference in how seriously they take your problem. If you downplay it, they may not think it is serious enough for in-patient detox and make you try out-patient first like they did me. I didn't downplay anything either although I was only on alcohol at that time.
Good luck, keep us posted. You won't have much freedom though during detox, so you may not have a computer available for a while.
I'll be praying for you, may God's force of nature be with you.
wildcat
Wildcat, you should do so well, compared to Thomas A. - big shoes man. I would say it's a compliment. Wizard thanks. I feel welcome. I am anxious about tomorrow, may take me a day to post the results. Wonder what the doc will say when he sees my intake.Oh well, I am going to try and if it doesn't work I'll have to consider a self detox, which is not too appealing. Anyway, you guys have been great. I don't think I would have made the appointment with out your input.
Definately some catholic factor by the way, in all this addiction stuff :--).
F Lee
Definately some catholic factor by the way, in all this addiction stuff :--).
F Lee
[wizard], who is St.Thomas Aquinas???? If that was supposed to be an insult, at least explain who it is so I know who I am being compared to and what the insult was. LOL That way I can at least get a laugh. Oh, by the way, Was the loved or not, mentioned at your closing meant for me too? Who doesn't like who on this board? You don't like me? or Maybe the Doctor? LOL
I was born Catholic as well, But since a child even though forced to go to church. I was beaten by my father so I always went out in nature and developed my own beliefs in God, believing I was put on this earth to protect, animals, children and people worse off than myself. I believe in the power of nature and that's why I often go to the jungle to pray and feel closer to God that way.
[Frank]- You did not offend me at all, I did not realize it would sound that way to some. I simply was explaining the facts about some of the people who have written to this forum before and got into a really hot debate for weeks over many things. I was just trying to filter out the possibility of too much religious debate when this is an addiction forum. Like I said in my post to you, I thought I made clear, everyone is welcomed here on this forum, everyone has there own opinion whether we all agree or not. Not everyone is always going to agree as noted in Wizards last post indicating someone doesn't like someone. If he doesn't like me, then all I have to say is OH WELL, I cannot get worked up over a person I've never met before, and one or so out of the four billion people on this earth that have a chance to like or not like me. If one was to worry about that we'd all be whacko by now. I am already whacko anyway so it doesn't matter. LOL
Anyway Wiz, I don't know what you meant, I should not speculate, but I want you to know that you have added alot to this forum and seem to have a good heart. I hope I didn't somehow offend you somewhere down the line. LOL
I am in my typical [Temporal Lobe Babble Syndrome] again and it's because my meds were due three hours ago. I had better go take them and rest my over-active mind!
Luv to all, and Prayers to all,
wildcat
First off let me say that I'm a "Happy, Recovering, Practicing Catholic, Addict". Frank I'm not offended by what you posted. I'm amazed at how many "Catholics" are on this forum...I'm wondering if there is some corelation LOL. Frank, My wife and myself both went through Catholic schools, and I was an altar boy, We both were married in the church and both fell away from it only to return years later.(been married 27 years). I just wanted to say that we had the "guilts" I had the nun beatings, so on and so forth...lost the faith in the church and then one day in a crisis...(almost lost my pregnant wife to death) I found my faith again in my Higher Power. I took it upon my self to study the history and teachings of Catholocism from it's origins by reading the Catachisis as it was written and I found out that it wasn't the church that was F**cked up, it was the PEOPLE who I was exposed to growing up putting the fears and guilts into my impressionable mind. I'm not on a crusade of conversion here but I can attest to KNOWING that once I understood my religion and it's written docterin it made all the sense in the world. NO GUILT, NO FEAR, for that is MAN MADE. You will find a million interpratations af many religions as seen by many different eyes. For me to be insulted by you for your beliefs would mean that I am not following the teachings of my church as it was written. Therefore, I respect and love you whether you like it or not LOL! For ME, if it wasn't for my set of Rosary beads AND this forum I would never have gotten through the first 4 days of cold turkey. I prayed my heart out to get me through this and my prayers were answered. It has been said that "Whatever works" to get the desired results is okay. I believe that.
Wildcat, your post was so very articulate and made so very much sense to me. Thank you very much for putting things in such a way. It reminded me of some of the writings of St. Thomas Aquinas. Touche' :-)
Maryanne, let the guilt go! keep talking to God and believe He will lead you to the Light!
J.B. you hit the nail on the head with "Keep an open mind" Never stop seeking knowledge. That is what sets us apart from the rest! Keeping my mind stimulated with knowledge leaves no room for stimulation with drugs!
Frank, to you my brother I say PLEASE don't leave us for fear of insulting or angering anybody. WE NEED you and your experience and beliefs to draw from. We ALL have something to offer......
Now, that's all of Wiz's B.S. for the day LOL,
I WILL pray for us all recovered or not, loved ones or not. God Bless us all,
Peace & Magick 2 u all, Peace & Light upon us,
Luv, Wiz
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