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[wait2long]

My D.O.C.(i abused pills for 19 yrs, i have been addicted for 7yrs out of the 19yrs) was oxycodone (any form), i had my last oxycodone on sept. 26, 2006 and started methadone 20 mg. daily,( i had to get the methadone illegally) someone told me about suboxone, i took my last dose of methadone on may 20, and my first dose of suboxone on may 24... i started on 28-32mg of suboxone (never been so sick in my life from 24th - 27th), i am now down to 16 mg of suboxone, my doctor wants me to stay on suboxone for at least 2 years!?  what should i do? i really dont feel all that great! most people say suboxone is VERY STRONG, they say thay have the same side effects (constipation,sleepy, pinpoint pupils, etc...) as if they were taking D.O.C.,  i do not, and from what i read i am on a high dose?i do not understand what is going on with me? all i can say is that i am not TOO physically ill, i still dont feel NORMAL like everyone else has said..mentally i am a mess, i am in therapy, and so far i have been diagnosed with 4 different illnesses, and on 80mg. of prozac and take xanax only when i have to cuz i hate it...i still dont sleep or eat, i have no motivation, no ambition,i am having a real hard time "caring" about things like i should, i cry all the time (which is not like me, i have ALWAYS been strong),i go for weeks without leaving my house (except therapy) i have panic attacks and the worst of all is the ANXIETY, the anxiety is killing me slowly, i dont know how much longer i can hang on to suboxone...WHEN WILL I START TO FEEL BETTER? when will i start to feel like all this damn suffering will payoff? i dont care about getting high anymore i just want to be "NORMAL", what ever that is ...does anyone know the answers?  love and peace to all

[wait2long]

how long have you been taking sub again? and how much were you originally prescribed to take?what have you taken so far today?  if your last dose of 16mg was at 3 am this morning,,,you can take another 16 mg 12 hours later...or now (10:00)

[rookier]

well its 3 pm im feeling really run down and restless. im still depressed dont have motivation to go back to work but sitting home is gettin to me. i have the week off. its so hot here in athens georgia--103 cant go outside or ill die still cant eat. Im really run down       its gettin better but still dawn hard

[wait2long]

jist dont over do it, my sub doctor says no more than 32 mgs in a 24 hour period....ok?   check in with you later...

[rookier]

thanks.. i still cant eat but im feeling better. i took 16 at 3 am and 16 at 8 am. still nasuas and very tense and depressed but managable---wow the worst is over -what a real nightmare. i feel like ive been beaten up with a bat. words cant explain the dispair. thanks again. ill write later

[FLaddict]

Hope you are hanging in there.... Keep us posted on how you are doing..

XOXO

[wait2long]

how are you feeling right now?  when did you take the 16 mgs of sub?  do you think it helped?    keep me posted..

[rookier]

i stooped meth for 5 days the first time i got sub, then i ate up all my sub supply so i went to meth clinic. I kept gettmy monthly script but just stashed it and kept using meth-----stupids arnt i

[rookier]

835 am feeling restless but i dont feel like ripping my legs or shoulders off. this has been so hard man.Istill have a very low toleranfor stress and a bit nausaus.dont know what to do with myself, im also really depreesed. hopefully tommorow it will be better. I know better than to do what i did.

[rookier]

3:30 in the morning got 5 hours sleep   great---feeling much better right now but cant go back to sleep.Ill explain how i got them later.  You all helped me alot by being here write you in a few hours.----just took 16mg---before i read your responce

[wait2long]

i will be here..keep your chin up, you WILL get through this...

[FLaddict]

i am just seeing your post to me now its 1030 pm est time.. sorry I was unable to get back to you until now.. Wait is right.. you didn't wait long enough to start the Sub they general rule is 72 hours after last meth dose.. You should be feeling better by now. I would not go right to 16mgs all at once.. try 8mg when you wake up.. split dosing seems to help people more when they make the switch from meth.. They generally don't switch people unless they are down to 20mgs of methodone per day. Any higher and the Sub will not be enough to keep you not sick.. I suggest you hang on.. you are still gonna feel kinda bad until the methodone is out of your system.. Even the highest dose of Sub is not enough to stop the withdrawls of 60mgs of meth a day..
Are you doing this with a doctor or a clinic?? They should not have left you make the switch without tapering you down to 20mgs per day.. If you need to talk make a new post to me..

[rookier]

write u in the morn after 16mg

[rookier]

thanks it feels like your a lifeline really  thanks

[wait2long]

i am sorry but i really think you need to up your dose of sub...when was your last dose of meth?  i think you should try the 16 mg. at once in the  morn...   4mg of sub isnt enough to hold you compared to your past habit....try it, i think you will get some releif.   make sure you let them COMPLETELY dissolve under your tongue....let me know  in the morning how it goes.....i am not sure but you could still be sick after 16 mgs of sub because its only been since saturday when you took last dose of meth....we will help you through this...i was in your exact spot just a couple of weeks ago....feeling so much better now....the end of the nasty wd's are near...

[rookier]

it souldnt take longer than 4 days or so since thats how long you would usually wait

[rookier]

what you think---thanks 4 ur help--im so f.... emotional

[rookier]

im been on meth this time for 1.5 months

[rookier]

im taking 4mg every 4 hours. in the morning i planned to ake 16mg at once.

[rookier]

how long do you think the severe withdrawal will stop. i was on 60 meth i waited approx 36 hours then took 2 mg of sub.---heavy withdrawal sunday night all night long -monday i was in bed all day but felt better-tuesday feeling better but still horrible  flashes of severe withdrawal mixed with times of feeling kinda ok

[wait2long]

yes your right, but if your sub dose is too low it wont help you...methadone patients seem to need higher doses of sub for first few weeks...like i said i was on 32 mgs of sub (split dose) 16 mg at nigh    16 mgs in the morn...  4 mgsof sub. seems really low to me for a 60mgs a day methadone habit....

[rookier]

ya but sub is supposed to help with withdrawal so in a few days it should take over and make me functional. I took it too soon but its not as bad as the firt day.

[wait2long]

i waited almost 5 full days from my last 20 mg dose of methadone before i took my first 8 mg of suboxone...and i was still severly sick with precipitated withdrawals for 4 days....first of all your methadone dose was too high, you are supposed to be on 20 mg of methadone before even starting suboxone, that my friend is why you are soo sick...i am surprised your doctor even gave you any sub knowing your methadone dose was at 60 mg?   but also i think your suboxone dose is too low to start on....i was taking 20 mg. of methadone every day, nothing else...i was taking 32 mgs of sub for the first 3-4 weeks, now i am down to 10 mg....methadone withdrawals last for a very very long time, about a month for me...i could still feel some sort of withdrawals even on my 32 mgs of sub....last week is the first week i can honestly say i am feeling better/normal.....and i have been on sub for 11 weeks now...stick with it, it does work, but you have to tell your doc how bad your feeling so dose can be adjusted..and if i was you i would stay on as low of a dose as you can for the shortest amount of time...i am just now learning this out for myself...fladdict posts here everyday and know alot more about this, she has been helping me...

[rookier]

i took 2mg off sub on sunday night--had very severe withrawals SEVERE, itrs now tuesday im still takin 4mg sub every 4-6 hrs. i feel aliitle better but still cant get out of bed.   when will it end--itook my last meth dose of 60mg on saturday.

[wdagain]

You can get down to 8mg of Sub and feel indifferently as if you are on 16mg or 24mg.  the problem is going from 8mg to 4mg and from 4mg to 2mg and then to 1mg and then to .5 and then quitting it.  Good luck to you