THIS IS NO JOKE: If you're on Subutex, Methadone or Suboxone, GET OFF NOW!!!!!!!!

[cindy990]

how come no doctors really know what the long term side effects and the many actual DAMAGEs to the body subutex does?? I stayed on it for about 10 years and it was the most HORRIFIC detox that I almost died. I encourage EVERYONE to (if you're already on it)-GET OFF OF IT, or you're just gonna make the detox harder and harder with time...and if you're thinking about getting PUT on it, THINK AGAIN!!!!! I would LOVE to go around EDUCATING DOCTORS about how HORRIBLE this medication is. I am about to face the dentist in an hour and am MORTIFIED to do so because I have METH-MOUTH. (funny thing is, I NEVER DID METH!!). It's ALL FROM SUBUTEX and how it just sits in your bones and builds up over time and seems to EAT away your bone marrow and rapes your body of calcium. And the refuse of medication that just sits rotting your bones makes a later "appearance" in the show whenever it is you decide to detox. That's when it comes PURGING out of every single pore of your body as well as through your TEETH!! (just like the bones in your body). It has been FOUR MONTHS and my body STILL aches UNIMAGINABLY, I am in a constant state of Incredibly INTENSE anxiety, frustration and impatience. I don't wanna EVER get out of bed and face the world, even though I Must...Feels like groundhog day because it never changes. I wake up everyday in intense agony. And all over my body my skin has broken out in "PLAGUE-like" Acne-some places CYSTIC. (my body is detoxifying from the outside in) I don't WANNA leave my house because I feel like a monster. like I'm CURSED. This medication is THE DEVIL. It NEVER WANTS U OFF OF IT, it grabs ahold of your SOUL and never EVER lets go. (until you get FORCED to(the law/jail)or you just get so SICK of taking a godamm PILL every morning just to feel like the rest of the human race does when they wake up. It is hell on Earth, and you are absolutely INSANE if you stay on this med after reading this!!! THIS IS NO JOKE!!!! Email me if you want me to GO ON even!! ***@****

[EvolverU]

I too, used subs this particular time to detox off Methadone and it worked for me. Either way, the withdrawal will be rough. I've done it both ways.

[nursegirl6572]

Great post weaver, and you're right...what works for one may not work for another.

I have my own opinions, and my own biases as well, and I try to remain as fair and neutral as possible when discussing something like Sub...I too just don't care for the very generalized post demonizing something.  Everyone's experience is valid, especially to them, but that doesn't mean others will have the same, and I think it's important to present balance, and to let the people reading know that not every story ends up the same way.  

I'm grateful you found a way to get clean...you've helped so many people by sharing your story here, I wish you would have gotten more neutral info when you first came searching.  There are just so many misconceptions and incorrect info out there floating around.  When someone is searching...it's enough to scare the daylights out of them.

I am not a die hard pro Sub person, but I HAVE absolutely seen it work the way it's supposed to, and will always share those experiences to present that all important balance, so that in the least, people can weigh their options with more info.

[nursegirl6572]

I respectfully disagree with your post about the 21 days.  This is a huge and common misconception about Sub.  It takes about 2 weeks (sometimes more) JUST for the body to adjust to Sub from the DOC (to go from a full agonist opiate to a partial agonist).  A person would be barely stabilized and adjusted to Sub at 21 days.  

There have been people who have used a VERY quick taper (like a week) to detox off their DOC, which I personally don't believe is the right way to use Sub, I feel the person might as well just taper off their DOC (depending on what it is).  

But, in order to actually be SUCCESSFUL at a Sub program, time must be spent working on recovery, and learning how to handle relapse.  A typical Sub program is 6-12 months long.  I've seen many people do very well in that period of time.  That gave them ample time to slowly taper off the Subs, while regaining the "normalcy" back in life that a lot of addicts are often missing...it helps build self confidence.

Also, it's not true that Sub becomes MUCH more difficult to come off at 3month, or 6 months versus a few weeks.  There would not be a difference.  The process and physiology is the same.  Now, for a person who has been on subs for many YEARS...they may have a harder time, but there are many reasons why that's the case.

Just wanted to mention that...this is a common belief, that if someone is going to use sub, it should be for a very short period of time.  There actually is little to no benefit to using Sub for such a short period of time, and tapering off the Sub would be more difficult when someone does it that quick.

There are so many common myths and misconceptions with Sub, sadly.

[EvolverU]

Yup! Methadone & Zyklon-B, brought to you by the good folks at IG Farbenkonzern..

[Ben727]

IG Farben was the name of the company. Check out the book "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben" for a full accounting. "During the International Crime Tribunals that followed the collapse of the Third Reich, a group of industrialists from I.G. Farben, Germany's great chemical combine, sat in the dock alongside the leaders of Nazi Germany." Naming it after Hitler is an urban legend, that it (methadone) was developed by the Nazis is quite true.

[JeanJM]

Sorry one more thing to add. Doctors over dose patients on suboxone/sutubex. Most people do not need 8mg, 2-4mg is more than enough to keep someone comfortable but they just don't know what they are doing.