Vicodin, Dramamine,

[concerneddaugherinlaw]

My mother in law was taking 2 vicodin es along with 4 dramamine every 4 hours all day long.  The doctor has now diagnosed her with "chronic pain" and is giving her pain patches.  Will she still withdraw from the vicodin if she quits taking it?

[Kackle]

I have been prescribed pratically every narcotic in the US, from Propoxyphene (Darvon) to Methadone (Methadose). The Fentany patch is extremely dangerous if the gel/liquid is used orally, and will absorb through the mucous membranes in the mouth, just like chewing tobbaco does. This can result in serious or fatal consequences. I have done this before for fun, and it does create and absolutely wonderful high and I won't lie, BUT, I AM EXTREMELY TOLERANT TO OPIOIDS! Fentanyl is approx. 40x more potent than Diamorphine (Heroin), and 80-100x more potent than Morphine (Kadian)! I have sucked on used patches that still contain enough Fentanyl to cause anagesia and euphoria. I do this because I take Methadone, Hydromorphone, and other potent opioids, therefore, I have less of a dangerous effect when using Fentanyl patches orally. I RECCOMMEND YOU DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE NOT TAKING OPIOIDS OR INTOLERANT TO POWERFUL OPIOIDS! IF YOU PUT THE PATCH IN YOUR MOUTH, TAKE IT OUT IF YOU START TO FEEL LIKE YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT. EVEN PUTTING THE PATCH IN FOR A MINUTE AND TAKING IT OUT, YOU WILL SOON FEEL THE EFFECTS! MOST OF ALL, NEVER INJECT THE GEL! USING FENTANYL PATCHES ORALLY WILL RESULT IN MUCH MORE POSSIBLE ADDICTION THEN WHEN WEARING IT ON THE SKIN LIKE REQUIRED. IF YOU ATTEMPT THIS, TOLERANT OR NOT, I RECCOMMEND NOT BEING ALONE. IF OVERDOSE IS SUSPECTED, SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION IMMEDIATELY! THE OPIOID ANTAGONISTS (BLOCKERS) NALOXONE (NARCAN) OR NALTREXONE (DEPADE) WILL REVERSE THE OVERDOSE. SYMPTOMS OF FENTANYL OVERDOSE ARE PINPOINT PUPILS, SEVERE DIZZINESS, SEVERE DROWSINESS, TROUBLE BREATHING, CONVULSIONS, INSENSITIVITY TO A PIN *****, UNSTABLE GAIT (TROUBLE WALKING STRAIGHT), DEEP SLEEP, LOW BLOOD PRESSURE AND TEMPERATURE, SLOW OR ABNORMAL HEART RHYTHYM, FAINTING SPELLS, CONFUSION, SPEACH IMAIRMENT AND SLURRING, COMA, AND OF COURSE POSSIBLE DEATH IF NOT TAKEN CARE OF BY A DOCTOR. ALSO, TAKING ALCOHOL, OTHER OPIOID NARCOTICS (I.E. MORPHINE, DILAUDID, METHADONE), BARBITURATES (I.E. PHENOBARBITAL), BENZODIAZEPINES (I.E. VALIUM), ANTIPSYCHOTICS (I.E. HALDOL), ANTIDEPRESSANTS (I.E. PROZAC), ANTIHISTAMINES (I.E. ATARAX), MAO INHIBITORS (I.E. NARDIL), SLEEP AIDS (I.E. AMBIEN), OR ANY OTHER CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM DEPRESSANTS OR SEDATIVES/TRANQUILIZERS CAN INCREASE OPIOID OVERDOSE. ALWAYS MAKE SURE YOUR DOCTOR KNOWS WHAT OTHER MEDICATIONS YOU ARE TAKING BEFORE USING FENTANYL, EVEN OTC OR HERBAL PRODUCTS AS WELL. DO NOT TAKE WITH AN MAO INHIBITOR. MAKE SURE YOU START TAKING FENTANYL AFTER 2 WEEKS OF STOPPING AN MAO INHIBITOR! BE CAREFUL WITH FENTANYL! I'M NOT SAYING I CAN DO IT AND YOU CAN'T, I'M JUST STATING THAT YOU BE CAREFUL WITH FENTANYL. IF YOU ARE TOLERANT TO OPIOIDS, CHANCES ARE YOU CAN SUCK ON THE PACTCH OR LICK THE GEL OUT AND BE OK, DEPENDING ON THE STRENGTH  AND HOW MANY YOU PLAN TO USE. IF YOU HAVE NEVER TAKEN OPIOIDS OR ARE INTOLERENT TO OPIOIDS, CHANCES ARE HIGHER THAT YOU COULD OVERDOSE. START OUT SLOW AND SMALL IF YOU DO DECIDE TO USE IT IN THIS METHOD. THERE ARE ALSO FENTANYL LOZENGES (LOLLIPOPS) TOO. USING A LOZENGE WOULD BE SAFER THAN A PATCH IN YOUR MOUTH. I leave this information for those who use Fentanyl, properly or not. I'm am not responsible for any drug misuse from this information! BE WISE AND SMART WITH YOUR MEDS!

[afszd]

Have been on durigesic about a month ans am not getting the same relief i did from morphine.My brother just hanged him self and my body is freaking out I (boo hoo hoo) do not want to travel across country and deal with this without being on something I know will work i don't want to be adjutated etc.what should i do will they at least give me vicodin and let me stop the patch until this is over.
Danke

[rodewc]

love u too, lisabet. Pls, pls , pls read the "support" thread AND and the "general" thread thoroughly at DA.Abuse.com as soon as you have some free time (if there is such a thing)

My sabbatical one week from this board) starts at 5 PM today

Until then, 6 readers HAVE read the suppost and general boards at drugabuse.com and sent me private e-mails which I will NOT post, even those w/ whom I agree.

I can promise u, that w/o yr permission, i would NEVER post private e-mail words to you, but I am interested as a "casual reader" at DA.com, what you think of the words that trnbspired between the key players (im ny opinion vehemently against Motz)

DA. com SupportBoard: Casey, Dancing, Motz, Kat, In the Same Boat (pls read, amomg others)

DA. com General Board: Mossy, Motz, Furio, Elizabeth Reed, Irony Brats, Ruthie, Bruce and a few others.. names escape me (please read, among others))

I have a huge event to prepare for today andthis week anyway so the sabbatical will be productive there also, but as one addict, and possible friend to another, Liz, it would interest me as to how a "third party" (as yourself) views the DA.COM saga, a what a sage ot resulted in..

I have had Just this AM 7 replies in my (***@****) email: ***@**** (None of whom I had ever had an e0mail before)

None from Motz, as expected.. I will not reprt to him, you, or others, the email contents. I am interested for one reason (to be honest, 2 reasons: 1. I hope I am right. The attacks were vicious and need apologies. 2. If wrong, I hope to learn and move ahead and apologize myself).

I do respect you and all opinions, regardless of what u say/think/write to me on e-mail after reading these DA.com words (maybe over an 8 day period is when they were initially written?)

Thak you for your time. Apologies for this question(s), but anger, at least for me has always been a setback. I need to learn when it is warranted, when it is not.

I will post  in a weekish. You can hold me TRUE to my work. This will nit be brought up gain here.

Hoping to hear from many soon, I need to know. Is it left over anger, or is it genuine?? I need to rid myself of the former, unwarranted anger.

Best to all this week.

rwc~

[dancinginthedark]

Yes, well that was quite the "selective" paste.  Bravo.  Problem is, what you left out is more important than that which you left in.  From this missive, you forgot a wee rule or three of journalism.  Remember context, consistency and be acutely aware of cliches.

First off to all:  After today, I will no longer carry on this on-line bickering any further.  It is entirely unfair to all you terrific folks who are fighting so hard for your sobriety.  We need focus, not bickering.  Rodey can "***** slap" me over the fiber-optic lines if she needs to.  

I too am of the ilk that I dont get into cat/dog
fights, but she is totally outta line and i must admit
I am sorely tempted to do as we women say and "*****
slap her"

Then do it!  She is oft at medhelp, thus easy to find & she LIKES people who stand up for themselves.  Meaning, she'd think the world of you.

Motz posts on a # of addiction boards I frequent and
his honesty has helped me recover more than once.

But does that mean his way is the only way?  The fact that it's worked for you & him (& countless others) proves the approach works. I like him very much but his "pushy" approach does not work for many ppl.  They need to be coddled & urged along.  As in, Hey, both camps are going to flunk out but as we say @ MH @ DA so often, you need to find what works for you.  Much as I like & respect Motz, I can tell you that in my feistiest days, that "just quit" approach would have sent me sprinting to the nearest pharmaceutical factory for a morphine drip, M-16 in tow!

I think it would behoove you,
To obey you, between shining your shoes, mowing the line, preparing all the food and taking care of your kids? Thanks!

in my MOST humble opinion,
Oh, pullleeeeez

to tell that "cult" following you have at drugabuse.com
WHERE?  F grp I assume?  
10 visits to opiate site.  
The fiorinal grp has been very tight since Sept.  There is no one else at DA in my cult...sorry! Unless they're in & I've never heard of them.  I'm trying to help Casey & Mossy in my own way & of course I like Motz - very much.

That their responses to someone who
simoke has an opinion, like all assholes, that their
visious attacks were out of line.
I don't know what a simoke is...?  I did get the context but you needn't write about yoursrlf in such a fashion!

Had I been motz, I woulda done more than he in his
response to your friend.
But Motz has class.  He knows how to rise above such PALTRY matters.
Like I said, I havent (yet) posted on drugabuse.com.  
Waiting for the next millennium? Why not?  Espec. now?

but KAT needs a dressing dowm
Says who?
(Firstly, she is wrong.
About what specifically?
Secondly, she hasnt read Motz's words w/ an open mind.
And you know this definitively based on what?
He simply wants what is best for a kid (casey) who
could possibly be his own kids' ages..
He does & so do I.  Go check my posts to her & Mossy.  THAT and for someone not to waste money w/ online pharmacies.
That's just fine but maybe for a "gentler" approach followed by loads of ppl, he should check JR's posts on this very matter twds the end of our most recent thread.

If that is a crime, then perhaps I do not respect your
opinions as much as I thought.
Wanting the best for a kid who could be his kid?  Me too.  Urging ppl to never use on-line pharmacies.  Me too only I'm more vehement than JR.  Such being the criteria, it is indeed perhaps a blessing you don't respect my opinions.

I will look for your response to KAT and her nonsense
and drugabuse.
Is that a threat?
I would post there myself, but I don't
think my words would mean ****. What you say, however,
she worships.

Motz has been posting on the boards I frequent for at
least a year, including my fave- medhelp.org.
Fair enough.  But I suspect even Motz would say you needn't fight his battles for him.  Maybe I'm wrong!  But goodness, it's one thing to stand up for someone and quite another to do so with utter, complete and blind vehemence.

I look forward to reading your words at drugabuse.
Don't you mean *your* words?  Assuming I was tyhe compliant sort.

I feel sorry for a man who loves his family so.. an
cares for others to be taken to task like that. It
shouldnt bother me, but it does.

All earned based on your pity, his love of family and that he shouldn't be taken to task for that.  Wow.  Based on that criteria, you are going to be one busy lassie at medhelp alone.  

Why feel sorry for a man who loves his family so?
Who feels sorry for him???  Not me.  He sounds very happy but do you think he's the only caring individual who's been taken to task?  
I'm not saying don't care or try to help but frankly, this contretemps has upset you far more than he.
Dr. Sigmeund would suggest you examine the reasons why.

Dancin'

[rodewc]

This isn

[lisabet]

Hi rode - for what it's worth, I DO not think you're a jerk; if you feel you need to take a break from the forum, I certainly understand; I do it myself from time to time.  I like you, and generally get a kick from your posts. As for Judes comments, it should be contained in personal e-mail between her and yourself. It has no place in this forum. The one thing I like about this forum is there's not a lot a b-s - just a lot of interaction between addicts, mainly IMHO, sincere and heartfelt feelings and comments. Hope you continue in your road to sobriety.  I love you bunches and bunches and bunches, Lisabet

[rodewc]

Dancin~

Thre is not ONE thing I have said in this e-mail yo you, that I have not said on the board. Here it is:

COPY:

hey Jude

I too follow both boards and am absolutely appalled at
how your bud, KAT49 (i think is her nick) attacked
Motz

I too am of the ilk that I dont get into cat/dog
fights, but she is totally outta line and i must admit
I am sorely tempted to do as we women say and "*****
slap her"

Motz posts on a # of addiction boards I frequent and
his honesty has helped me recover more than once.

One time, in my humboe opinion, you were sick
(hallucintaing even w/ a fever) and crawled Motz's ass
about Fiornal, when in fact Motz was on another
thread, and oxycontin thread

Later, you apoligized, and seemingly you and Motz saw
eye to eye, as you should. However, in your initial
"feverish out of line (due to fever) post" yr frien
CHEERED u on, in a most unlady like manner.

I think it would behoove you, in my MOST humble
opinion, to tell that "cult" following you have at
drugabuse.com that their responses to someone who
simoke has an opinion, like all assholes, that their
visious attacks were out of line.

Had I been motz, I woulda done more than he in his
response to your friend.

Like I said, I havent (yet) posted on drugabuse.com
but KAT needs a dressing dowm Firstly, she is wrong.
Secondly, she hasnt read Motz's words w/ an open mind.
He simply wants what is best for a kid (casey) who
could possibly be his own kids' ages.. THAT and for
someone not to waste money w/ online pharmacies. If
that is a crime, then perhaps I do not respect your
opinions as much as I thought.

I will look for your response to KAT and her nonsense
and drugabuse. I would post there myself, but I don't
think my words would mean ****. What you say, however,
she worships.

Motz has been posting on the boards I frequent for at
least a year, including my fave- medhelp.org.

I look forward to reading your words at drugabuse. I
feel sorry for a man who loves his family so.. an
cares for others to be taken to task like that. It
shouldnt bother me, but it does.

It is the second unwarranted stab KAT has taken at
him.. once after your motza ball post and one today.

Hope u get the  boook soon.. I am headed to the beach
(dont tell KAT.. she will say I am bragging about
being RICH)

ROFL


END PASTE

rwc~

(PS These "prior" comments are al on suport board at DA.com)

[rodewc]

I dont save books. Keep it, give it away, or trash it. It costs abut 5-6 dollars to mail. I have enough stuff lying around here.

I asked you to have yr bud (you named her, not I) tone it down. I would have asked the  same of others who bashed Motz on the board, but you knew this one poster. I didn't. I didn't know her, or any of the others in the "club."

Nor do I care to. She was aggressively rude to Motz w/o cause. Unless I missed it? To repeat: your friend was the only one, you and your friend, w/ whom I was acquaintated. Thus, the private plea to you. I see where your loyalties lie. Askew.

Maybe she has helped you as Motz helped me. I did not, however, attack your friend on an open forum; nor will I flame anyone.

The Frey book is moot. Keep it, trash it or give it away (as said). You wont see me posting on DA.com though. I have watched there long enough as the testimonilas here at medhelp.org can attribute: newcomers are not welcome. I lost count of how many said that here on This forum.

Shame.. but glad one group found an F thread. The F thread your friend chose to leave and lambast him (motz)

rwc~

[dancinginthedark]

Did I receive your email? Oh, you meant those that threw me into dry heaves of disgust?  Yes.  I'm trying to behave like an adult here & NOT respond to a pissing match,but hey, unlike you, I'm of the human persuasion.  I can tell you one oof your missives, sent direct to me, would ASSUREDLY get you banned from here. And worse.  DA does not ban ppl making me wonder why you find that site so loathesome that you'd actually frequent though refuse, according to your em, to participate.

I respect your opinion & sky high regard for Motz. But I wonder:  Why did you select Kat49 to thow to the lions, quite in public, while ignoring all the others who expressed your sentiments in a gentler tone, yet the same ilk as the very same time?  I can't speak for you but my deduction is this is one man who can stand up for himself.  

As pertains your initial attack, blackmail & saying I had a cult following.  Oh, yeah?  

Nonetheless, questions remain:  
*Where is your esteem/compassion in lieu of dealing with addicts?Could my compassion & understanding have had anything to do with it?
*What ever made you such an angry, vindictive *****?
And in lieu of the fact that I'm "cult leader" of a DA following, what are you leader of, after your freight train headed to Anger, U.S.A.  ??

Rodey, since I met you, I've thought nothing less than the world of you.  That is until you launched forth not once, but twice,  reams of vituperative, unsubstantiated assaults.  And you even tossed cowardice & blackmail into the mix.

I'm not shy about sharing my convictions & I canot & will not hide behind the veil of fear.  Instead, I believe when such occasions call for it, share one & share all.

And of course I'll mail back your book the moment I receive it.

Dancing in the Light

[peaz]

My mood swings take me hither and yon.....I''m either posting like a banshee or a close-mouthed Sphinx....LOL  Never a dull moment at our house...."Keep 'em guessing"; that's my motto!!  Anyway, I have recovered from my sponsor train wreck and all is well. Hope you can say the same, sweets.  Love ya--peazy

[lisabet]

rodewc - like you, I read the DA forum but never post; I remember the bashing Motz took. I've noticed a post or 2 from him here. If he helped you in your recovery, he's definitely someone special. Have fun with the pup (or) D.D.T.D.!!!...SMILE...

Hi peazy - glad to see ya posting a lot lately. Sounds like you're doing well.  Love ya, peaz; you too, rodewc.  Lisabet

[peaz]

I have seen you  refer to your pup previously.....did you say it was a pit bull?  I had a fawn colored one named "Jake". What a HELLUVAN animal...I loved him to bits.  We should swap dog stories but not take up room here.  I will reply to your long post above by email as I think that's where personal **** belongs.  So, man the inbox...Peazy

[rodewc]

LOL.. the dawg w/ the pedigree name(s): Don't Do That Dawg.. are in from the *****, err *****.. Dumbass I waited 'til the frickin breeze died before takin Pup to terrorize the tourons.

So, the no-see-ums: IE.. gnats.. were out in force.

I am thrilled as fricken heck that motz still follows this board. If he helped save me, he can save anyone.

I haven't the balls Iliterrally or figuratively) to post on the exclusive DA.Com

If ya aint a F user, then yr "toast' as far as I can read.

Motz is Da Man tho. He may be Da Man, but they sure as heck post the Thomas Receipt there. (and that'z yet anudder Man)

Anyhoo, My En, my Peaz, more power to u.. make sure u buy one of those Stinkin', major stink Bomb, pefumes/colognes along w/ the single Godiva (DON'T, pls, buy a "G" Godiva. Those are the best) Toffeee and choc... Mmmmm) as yr TY to the jerkwad Sponsor.

BTW, it's ALLLLLL in the way u tie the ribbon (on a gift). That much I learned from Mama. Bless Her.

I can give u tips e-mail if u have never tied a homemade ribbon before.. one can make the shabbiest (our goal, yes?) of gifts look like a bezillion dollars.

If you and I think DA.com is a POS, maybe we shld play some mind games there.

OOps sry, tht's my pre-Vike Days bellowing.

Seya, En

ROFL

rwc~

[pammy0690]

OMG I can't believe your sponsor.  Give me her email so I can cut and paste all the encouraging emails and post you have wrtten to me over the past six months then she can decide who is doing what to who.  Justkidding.  I just can't help but think that she really doesn't know you at all.  She doesn't know the true Peaz otherwise she would never even think that you would drink or use or whatever.  You have your own mind and thoughts and feelings that are different from what she thinks they should be is all.  Where did she get drinking from that?  Pammy

[peaz]

An atlas!! You wrote a freaking ATLAS!! LOL  There were so many things to comment on it will take overnight to collect my thoughts (Not quite as swift on the uptake as the pre vicodin days...  :-)  But I did want to just say, now, that I was trated like a leper at DA.Com (General board) when I tried posting there a year ago.  I lurked forever, and finally got the nerve to post some innocuous post.....FINALLY a guy answered me, and the next post was from one of the groupie chicks that dwell there, saying,"  Numb Nuts!! (insert his name here) I thought we decided we WEREN'T going to answer!! " or something along those lines....I snickered, and posted for  maybe a few weeks longer, but rarely got any replies or even acknowlegement that I had even POSTED>>>>>I was going back and forth from there to here; eventually began posting here, and the rest is history.  What a buncha fucken SNOBS....If that's their idea of compassionate recovery, I hope I never stumble upon it....It's not like I'm some subversive who comes in, making a lot of trouble!!  Their loss------Just say NO!!  Don't go back!!  LOL  I shall return...Peazy

[rodewc]

Couldn't 4-get u, chezz.. and I am gonna log off and leave for the beach w/ Pup before I remember the myriads of other wonderful people I neglected to mention. PLEASE, i am sorry. I shuldna started w/ such an impossible task.. listing names.

That aside: There should be a law about posting here, and then Just leaving, leaving the caring readers wondering and hoping things turned out for the best.

As Always,
rwc!

[rodewc]

Peaz, Book Luvahs, All~

I got this link (posted below, a link to the Frey book) from DA.com which is where many posters seem, imo, to bash anyone not part of "the club." Currently, they are bashing a "handle" named "Motz" who is quite (brutally) honest, but honest in a "fair/nice way, if u can follow.

And BTW, he seems NOT to be an A/A convert. OOOO! Is it is almost shameful? Seriously, what's shameful is the bashing he is receiving. I do follow the histrionics there, both on their support board, and on their DA.com general board. He is getting grief both places. Poor baby. He has posted here, and I must say is one (a STRONG one/reason) of several thousand reasons I decided to get straight, or rather try to.

I like Truth and not "steps." Besides, and most importantly, I was ready for Truth. He gave it to me, here and via e-mail. That aside, being you won't have any idea WTF I am saying, at least it is off my chest.

It's a shame the way some boards are so cliquish, while this one (board) embraces all posters with open arms (even those who wrench my heart and then disappear, like, say, LadyLamp).

OK. Enough from the "committee" (the committee being my brain, or former brain) Speaking of my lack of brain power, it was days before I realized Thomas 50 and Thomas 03 were not the same person! I was weeping because our stalwart Thomas had returned to using.

OK. Here goes (finally!): I got this link from the DA.com on their general board: "There is another way" thread"

http://www.randomhouse.com/boldtype/0403/frey/excerpt.html

I read that link, but, imHo, (love that random "H" cap. LOL. Don

[peaz]

Oh, HELL YEAH!!! I was doin' a pretty darn fancy two-step to the 12-Step Boogie, fakin' out the BEST of 'em....But THIS particular episode got my dander up and I forgot my place in the  cadence of things......  But, I agree w/ you---I CAN DO THIS....I've only got a year and 1/2 left and then I'm home free.   So I will plaster that smile on my faceand say,  "Yes, maam "and "No, Siree, Bob" and spout off whatever it is they want to hear from me.
   Wanna hear something IRONIC??  At my home group they just began a new "Introduction Format" so the  druggies would feel welcome and the AA Bullies wouldn't know which ones to pick on.  It's a simple statement that says, "Hi, I'm Jack Mehoff (I couldn't resist---sorry)  and it is my desire to not drink or use today." So that includes everyone but is a little more VAGUE than the other terse statement that has been used for so long.  So I DON'T have to  chastise myself for being an ALKIE or a DRUGGIE---just say "Hey--I hope I stay clean today." And I have to problem w/ that.  So, everything worked out.  
  The book highlighting is a FAB idea---w/ lots of notes in the margins, and perhaps a tiny sample bottle of lotion to go w/ the scrawny piece of chocolate....LOLO  We are terrible....!!  LOVE IT!!!!!! Peazy

[pammy0690]

Peaz I love you too and I am proud to have you as my friend.  It upsets me when folks mess with ya that is why I run to the defensive.  

RWC fake it and you will make it.  So many times that has gotten me through a day.  Where I was able to power through all most anything if I just talked myself into it.  Thanks for reminding me.  Pammy

[rodewc]

Play the game. What she, the nutcase Sponser(sp?) wants is seconds from your life, but in the long run millions of years of peace will result (for you).

I have mentioned here before that I claimed Alcoholism, went to a 2 week rehab (now that's a frickin joke.. or a book) and made a phony, but successful attempt at A/A group, A/A meetings and A/A dogma.

I passed the "jumprope," and now am free to be me. As my mom said (Bless her): "You can do Anything for a year." I don;t think she was referring to recovery, but the shoe fit so I wore it, and it paid.

I would ask her (Little Ms Perfect Sponser) for her frickin little book again (ask her if she minded if you Highlighted in it), then keep it a week or so, highlight random BS, buy her a Godiva (one piece: be cheap) as a thank you.

Tell her you had forgotten the power of that written word. And, remember, 'if you fake it you make it.'

G/L
rwc~

[peaz]

You're right: she DOESN'T know me and that's partly MY fault because I don't do any Big Book (gag me) reading w/ her, step work, or even go to lunch w/ her, and she would LOVE it if I did.  But, unlike her, I have a family and I work and I have all kinds of recovery therapy and my plate is FULL. I don't have time to sit and BS after meetings everyday....But let's say I DID have time: I STILL couldn't "let" her know me because she would be so judgmental about my neglect in conforming w/ AA and ONLY AA, that we would only be arguing instead of forming a friendship.
    All that aside; she COULD have said," I am nervous about your sobriety for a couple reasons. Can we talk about my concerns?"  Instead, she lambasted me and I swear to God--- it could have been VERY detrimental to a person in recovery!! DAMN, woman!!  I am still debating whether-or-not- I will even " go through those doors" (another favorite slogan..LOL) again...
   Thanks for the posting compliments. At times I get a little off the wall, but there is usually a bit of valid info in there SOMEWHERE.....!!  You're a Doll, Pammie, and thanks for being my friend. Love, Peazy

[Motz]

Hey, kids, and All, esp. Rode w/ yr unnecessary ( hopefully) anger defenses, u  r welcome. There's anger,.. We all have  

Glad I was able tp help y',Rode. I wondered what you thought of my e-mails. Heh.Mine is.. dare I say?? I am taking a SERIOUS  beating for??? at DA.COM!!!

Regaedless, 'tho my feelings, too, can be fragile; my e-mail is ***@****

I read a GREAT many abuse boards. Complimetshere. The docs are beyond reproach. Best to all (and me!! Hell! Gotta be a little selfish! to ALL in their recoveries.

As always
Otz

NO EDIT HERE.. GASP!!! lol

[mrmichael67]

There shouldn't be.....at least with the 40mg of oxy.  The 20mg may be a bit too low.  The equianalgesic dosage ranges from 22.5mg to 67mg of oxy per day.  That is according to the chart I use.  The patch can be detoxed from as easy as anything else.  One must change to another opioid such as oxy and then taper from there.  The key is to start it at a dose that is high enough.  You just can't go from 75 to 50 to 25 and then off.  As you can see, even the 25ug/hr patch is equal to a pretty decent dose of oxycodone.  I wouldn't suggest anyone stop from taking almost 70mg a day of oxy abruptly.

[dru123]

What about going from the 25 UG Hr. Patch to 20-40mg's Oxy? Will there be withdrawel systems from the patch?