Cold Turkey Withdrawing - not by choice

[lovelyladybumps]

I am being forced to cold turkey withdrawal from all meds I was taking for fibromyalgia and I don't know what to do. I was prescribed percocet 5/325 5x daily,  ultram 50 4x day,  and Valium 2x/day (final dosing). My pain management clinic kept upping my dosage because of tolerance and also because I take care of my adult son with a TBI as well as work a very stressful job full time. I really thought I needed it due to all these problems they said I had so I went with it not realizing I was getting addicted. I failed one drug test approximately one month ago,  but had gotten all my meds refilled that day.  I wrote them an extensive letter saying why I tested positive for codeine (I had accidentally been taking my stepfather's Tylenol 3 mixed in with my Percocet when my mom gave me a smaller pill bottle to keep in my purse) and oxycodone (I took the last 3 pills of Oxycontin new I had received a prescription for two years ago as stemming as a side effect from a bad reaction to a bone-hardening agent I received for osteoporosis since I can't do oral pills). I wrote them to see if I could get 1 months worth of meds while I found a new provider and they are refusing all correspondence with me.  I was due for a refill on 7/13 and so i am technically 5 miserable dsys into this. Tonight has been the worst - the heart racing, sweats, anxiousness, diarrhea, etc are miserable. I cant get an appt to a shrink unril next Saturday. What can i do in the meantime and how do i deal? My husband is being most supportive but everything OTC doesn't help except for Pepto and the antidiarrhea meds. How much longer can I expect and what is normal? I am so embarrassed by this and ashamed.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,, so much.

[lovelyladybumps]

I am tremendously proud of myself. I did not give in to an Ultram yesterday at all - not even half of one. I also didn't dip into the alprazolam either even though I wanted to so badly. I didn't plan on falling asleep as early as I did - I grabbed dinner from subway thinking that it would help, but I got super nauseous and had to take a Zofran as soon as I got home so that I didn't hurl. I went upstairs to lie down because my rib/chest was hurting from 13+ hours of constant movement - didn't take any meds and fell asleep in about 15 minutes (this was about 8 PM which is 2 hours earlier than normal). Woke up at 11:45 crampy from pain since I had fallen asleep the wrong way and my rib was bothering me, but did some deep breathing and went back to bed. Woke up at 2:30 in a moderate amount of pain so took 3 Tylenol extra strength and half a Percocet. Thought I'd go back to sleep but no....I was wired. I did a lot of stretching as much as I could without waking up the hubs and I guess that's what kept me in overdrive. Around 5 AM (normal wake up time of late) hubs got up to shower for work and I started getting panicky. One minute I want to hurl, next minute the heart is racing, then it's like I hit the brakes and I'm fine. I guess that's to be expected though from what all I can tell. When I start to dwell on going to the psych on Saturday that's when I really get freaked out. I keep trying to convince myself it's a good thing but my mind is screaming no. I find it far easier to be honest with my husband who struggled with this kind of thing for 3 years before he got diagnosed with low testosterone than I do a medical professional trained in this stuff because my hubs knows ME and is very anti-meds unless necessary whereas I think a shrink is going to try to push script after script on me.

In thinking about this, last summer my kids dad was the one under the stress and I was cool since he was the one spending practically every day at the hospital with our son since the accident happened near him in PA while I was down here able to be free and deal with the backside of arranging care. This summer, I'm in his shoes - had all three boys, have had to work ridiculous hours, and then throw the CT on top of it - no wonder I'm a mess.

My middle son who is 13 goes home on Sunday and I'm alternately sad that he's leaving since we didn't spend much time together being just us, which he desperately needs, and being happy that I can go back to my routine and focus on TBI son and husband and have defined hours for work. I'm so ridiculously off schedule that I'm sure that's got something to do with the magnification of things.

I was honest enough with my ex to tell him that things were not well down here, but I didn't elaborate since I don't need more problems. We have a good enough relationship that he knows I think that my words in the email I sent him saying "This was my summer to have crap hit the fan" to leave me be since he was there himself.

I made an honest list of all my life stressors and I feel like I am my own worst critic. I got myself into a lot of this, now I need to get myself out of it. The very odd thing I've noticed is that outside of the rib contusion and my migraine last weekend, I feel significantly pain-free which makes me wonder....when did my pain go away? I am a person who likes to ruminate on stuff but perhaps mindlessness would be the best path here. I can't go back and undo what's been done, only go forth and make the best of what is.

[Jinx_777]

oh my, i am so sorry you are going through all this.  you don't know what caused you to hit the car???  i guess there is a blessing in this-- if you would have had substances in your system you could have got a dwi.  
so glad you are okay.  
being in pain really s**cks when you struggle with opiates.  you never know when it is warranted or worth it to take them and when it is not.
i struggle everyday with that.  take care of yourself

[lovelyladybumps]

I didn't take the Ambien the night before the car accident. I took it last night to get a decent night of sleep at the advice of my doctor.

Still haven't had anything today other than Tylenol, Pepto, Imodium, and I ended up taking a Zofran because I got nauseous.

Soonest I could get in with an in network psych was this Sat and I made that appt the day I decided that CT was the way to go two weeks ago.

In a way I'm glad I can feel pain because it makes me realize what life is supposed to feel like. I had the docs I work for examine me just to make sure I didn't have anything like a pneumothorax and I'm good. I hurt appropriately considering the speed and force of my impact. I'm stiff in my neck and walking gingerly, but I am making it. My low point today was when I came on here the first time but I perked up after posting.

I'm not a doctor and don't play one on TV but I have to gut this out since I have a performance review next Friday and I'm not giving them any excuse to fire me.

[lulu747]

Hi there-
I am guessing you are new here.  I am a little unclear from your post what is going on with you and we would love to be able to help you here.  Please go to the top right hand of your page where it says Post a Question and tell us your story and what help you are looking for.  That way members will be able t support you and give advice.
Lu

[lulu747]

Hi there Lovely-

Yikes!  I'm with Nursegirl.  Very concerned about you.  You are playing with a few different meds and this could be putting your brain chemistry out of whack.  I can tell that you are an overachiever who is extremely responsible and cares for others deeply.  You MUST take care of yourself right now.  I know it's hard but work and all that will be there when you get well.  But right now you have to put YOU and your recovery first.  You are in a difficult spot but know that there is a way out and light at the end of the tunnel.  You need to speak with a doctor ASAP and come up with a good plan.  The C/T from the Ultram is most likely the culprit of the depression you are feeling.  As NG said, Ambien is a hypnotic and can wreak havoc on our brains.  I'm still unclear as to whether you've C/T the benzo's as well.  This is NOT a good idea.  Please go talk to someone and tell them your whole saga and find out where to go from here.  A plan always makes me feel better and I'm sure it will make you feel better too.
Take care of yourself, and the rest takes care of itself.
Promise.
xo
Lu

[11418]

I have same story. Got sick in 92. CFIDS. Had to work. In 2000 I couldn't do it any more. Started taking hydrocodone. Now 14 years later I was cut off completely. I smoked pot once and did not realize I could not. No second chances. I made so many phone calls. I went to a methadone clinic 4 am. They only maintain. I want to detoxe. Later that day I called a clinic I could check into for45 days. No can do. I live in ny and I have responsibilities. I have a young relative staying with me this summer. More phone calls and another clinics gave me a Drs name for outpatient help. I was desperate I went and was given suboxone. I'm hearing lots of bad stuff but I want to stick with it. I want off.... Yesterday I took 4 mg and up 12mg in one day. 22 hours later I had a head such jittery and sweats. It's 12:30 and had to take another 4 mg. I just hope I,m not sabotaging any recovery. What do you think.

[nursegirl6572]

Oh my hon, I'm so sorry!  That stinks!

I'm worried about you!  I'm concerned that the Ambien may have been a contributing factor in the accident!  Ambien is one of those drugs that can really pack a wallop, leaving people confused, with memory loss, and trouble with cognitive function, especially if you didn't get a sufficient quantity AND quality of sleep after taking it.

I know this process has been very hard on you...definitely reach out to your doctor for help with this.  Call the office today, explain what happened, and ask if they would squeeze you in with an urgent appointment.  Hang in there!

You're certainly not a menace to society, and this WILL get better, it just takes time!  Thinking of you!

[lovelyladybumps]

So yesterday morning about a mile from my office I was in a car accident. I hit a parked car at about 30 mph. I'm bruised from head to toe, think I cracked a rib (hurts to cough, lie down except when I lie on it) and am having horrible doubts about the whole thing. I was cruising along just fine - great song was playing on the radio - then bam next thing I know my car sideswiped the parked car. I remember there being a brief LOC but not sure if before or after. Had the common sense to drag my car out of the roadway despite all the pain and a broken front axle. I was beside myself after I called the police and my boss - I called my husband in tears and he came running to my aid. He got there before the tow truck and said that he said this wouldn't have happened had I gotten my car fixed last month right after I rear ended someone. Now I'm convinced I'm a menace to society and don't belong anywhere alone. I am alternating between moments of normalcy to absolute panic and doubt. I took an Ambien to sleep yesterday but no Percocet or Ultram - strictly Tylenol all day. It didn't hurt too bad until I laid down to sleep which is why I took the Ambien. Appt with the psychiatrist isn't until Saturday and I'm not sure I can make it that long. Woke up this morning nauseous but well rested, took a hot shower and was superb alert for work. Now as the day goes by I'm getting more and more depressed. I am literally hiding out in the bathroom in a different part of the building because I don't know what to do. The alprazolam is in my purse but I don't want to take it.

Not sure how to cope now. Just want this all to be over with.

[Merri123]

TBIs. Oh I have experience with that. My husband got into a motorcycle accident @ 2 years ago. 2 brain surgeries later and therapy. Oh was the first year rough. Mood swings. Anger directed at me (typical I guess) confusion, memory loss (at least 10 years), short term memory loss (couldn't remember what did earlier in day), perservation (insisting something is right even if not) and on and on. It was the most stressful year of my life ever. Things have calmed down but he is still not the same. Won't be.

So with everything I hand it to you. It is not easy. And your Dad may not be treating him as much like an invalid as son says or thinks. He just may be perceiving it all wrong. But no amount of reason will change his mind.

You are doing good. Can you be dependent still now? Even with lower doses? Yes you can in my opinion. If your body reacts to not having it, that is dependent. Are you addicted? You seem to be controlling it well. Only you can tell.  The migraines should level off soon. You are getting rebound pain plus the pain from not taking so much. I had bad headaches early in my taper too. They went away.

So keep going. Stay strong. And remember to take time for yourself too in all this. You need it for your sanity. You all need a break regularly.

[nursegirl6572]

My heart hurts for you after reading all that you've gone through!  Goodness!  I'm so sorry your son went through what he did, you're right, it's a miracle he's here with you today!  What a blessing!  Even with counting your lucky stars, it's tough to be a FT caretaker, especially with the kinds of challenges you have with your son.

It sounds like you've got a good head on your shoulders as far as your plans to detox, just PLEASE be cautious reaching for things (and combining them) to get some relief.  It worries me that you've taken Ultram, Percocet, Ambien and Xanax, all within a short period of time.  That can be very dangerous as I'm sure you know.  People have accidentally OD'ed mixing drugs just to get some sleep, or to calm anxiety.  Even people with high tolerances have succumb to mixing medications.

Also, I worry about whether you're dealing with strictly dependency or if you've become addicted.  I think it's wise to keep your eyes wide open.  The fact that you had the reaction you did when your doc Rx'ed the Percocet is a little concerning.  It's difficult sometimes to determine if indeed you are bordering on addiction versus just dependency.  There are some things you can do to give you a better idea.....

The following is a link to a self test you can take, for starters:

http://www.myaddiction.com/quiz/drug-addiction-test

You can also google "addiction self test" and you will get many results.

It's really important that you DO try to honestly answer that question for yourself...because how you proceed moving forward will vary depending on what you're dealing with.  Dependency would only involve the physical detox, and managing pain, while the addiction would require a much more comprehensive recovery program, that addresses the MENTAL/COGNITIVE aspect.

I wish you the very best, keep talking to us!

[lulu747]

hey Hon-

I am a little bit concerned for you for a couple of reasons.  Can you please clarify- are you currently taking any benzos?  If not, when was your last dose and when did the head ache start?

I am asking because the first time I cold turkeyed opiates I c/t benzos as well.  I developed a terrible migraine like head ache that lasted days until I finally saw a doc and he said it was from the c/t of the benzos and a sign of possible seizure.  He put me back on the benzos.

Another thing that can cause the headache is opiate w/d - I had a terrible migraine headache the entire time I was tapering- like 6 or 7 months.  It was one of the reasons I jumped off at a pretty high dose- I could not take the misery.  The headache dissipated once the drugs were entirely out of my system.
This could be why the percocet is helping your headache.  A real migraine does not respond to opiates- only migraine specific meds.

So-
Even if you are only taking low doses of Ultram- you are still not clean and the head ache is normal.  It su*& big time.  But treating it with other opiates is only going to set you back.

You really need to think about what you want here.  If the goal is to be pain pill free- then you are going to have to be willing to go through some rough stuff to get there (trust me when I tell you it's worth it all and more)

If the C/T is too much for you at this time given all your stressful circumstances- then perhaps a slower taper is a better option.  You will still experience slight w/d's but nothing like what you are experiencing now.

I would STAY AWAY from the percocet.  This drug is major addictive and can easily just be STOPPED physically- mentally it is a WHOLE other ballgame.
I would discuss a slow taper plan off the Ultram with your doc and I would do the same with the benzos.

Listen,
I know I am being a bit bossy but I've been where you are- and I want you to be healthy and safe...Ok?
Please talk to a doc asap.

And keep posting (:
Lu

[lovelyladybumps]

TBI = traumatic brain injury. Son hit a deer, car flipped 5x and hit 2 trees - speed of impact was approximately 100 MPH per the police. The fact that he is alive and can walk, talk, dress, eat, and do what we do is the highest of miracles. However, he needs 24 hour supervision because he has no short term memory. For example he will get up in the middle of the night and do things and won't remember doing it. Right now I am in the midst of healing a 2nd degree burns on his neck from all of the acne medication he put on it. I am under consistent stress because he has no filter (the impulsivity part of his brain was damaged the worst) and he goes from zero to napalm in seconds. The only caretaker I have is my 73-year old dad who my son hates because he insists on treating my son like an invalid when we let him be as independent as possible. My dad also is a borderline alcoholic and a misogynist so he likes to remind me daily how I fail as a mother because I "choose" work over my son. Though my son is on Medicaid there is a 4-6k waiting list for the services he needs so all of it comes out of my pocket except the $700/mo he gets in disability through social security. Half of that goes to my dad for watching him while the other half goes to my husband for paying for the super good health insurance to cover the meds he needs and therapy.

The worst part is he was in the military but I can't get the Marine Corps to get me his medical discharge paperwork so that I can see if he's eligible for VA care through their brain injury program or even a small pension of some sort. He was only in for 9 months as of the date of the accident and you have to be in for 2 years before you get coverage unless you were hurt in a war zone,  which he was not.

[lovelyladybumps]

So it's been a week and while I am pretty well balanced emotionally and sleeping well, I've had the most awful migraines I've had in a long time. I actually ended up going to my PCP to get a script for Zofran and she gave me 10 pills of Percocet 5/325 to get through until I can see the neurologist.  It literally feels like I have an atomic bomb going off in my head. I had a brief period of respite yesterday that allowed me to get up and do things that I've neglected for months,  like clean my bedroom and put clothes away. I never realized I was such a slob - just another realization how out of touch I've been.

Am I still considered dependent/addicted now? I have been coping with the normal aches and pains well, only giving in to half an Ultram if I need it (and that's a final resort after tylenol/aleve/heat).  I admit that I got a little bit of a rush that the PCP actually gave me Percocet but that was because I knew I would finally get pain relief since the Percocet is a final step before the ER. I took a full tablet on Saturday with my regular migraine meds and it made the pain abate to a level I could deal with. Today,  however, decapitation seems like a quality option. I know what is triggering it - the weather which I don't have control over. When I woke up with it this morning I knew it was going to be one of those days - it is like ER level of pain where they give me morphine and benadryl and IV fluids. I'm avoiding that route since I a) will have a $300 copay along with the fact that I just don't have time for it and b) feel like if I go that route it will be opening Pandora's box and throw me off my game plan.

I feel like my body is hypersensitive to everything right now - sounds and smells are particularly nauseating. Am I perpetuating my issue by by going on/off the meds only when I need it?  I haven't taken any alprazolam since last week because I am super chill and very even with my mood.

Just not sure I can hold out much longer with the migraine, though. I am doing really well with only taking meds when I need it, have zero cravings for any meds and feel like I am back at my regular pre-pain clinic level of awareness of my body.

Any advice?

[kristenhummel]

Sounds like you are doing well.  Wanted to let you know that I have also gained weight and it is in fact depressing me right now. I am having surgery at the end of August for torn ligaments in my shoulder and I can't wait to stop taking these meds.  Can you tell me what a TBI is?  I haven't heard of that abbreviation before.  you said that is what your son has.  And, I am sorry about your son.  

[lulu747]

When I read you initial post I was horrified-
The opiates are no problem to C/T but the Ultram and Valium and all at once?  NO NO NO.

I breathed a sigh of relief as I read on and found that you have enough benzo and ultram to wean down.  Please know that when you get to the end of this- it may be really rough.  I hope not- but it could be, so prepare.  Benzo w/d is tricky.  I have been tapering for 6 years..6!  And am finally, almost at the finish line.  I started at 60 mg of oxazepam for sleep combined with zoplicone when I was on prednisone for my Crohn's disease.  The pred made me so anxious and revved up that I never slept- and as I was on it for 4 years...Well you can see how I became so dependent.
I never took more than prescribed but getting off it has been tough.
I C/T off a high dose of opiates in 2011 after tapering for a year and being miserable.  I just wanted off so I jumped.  A few months later I started tapering from the benzos.  I kept getting stuck at 20 mg.  I just couldn't sleep at all when I hit that point.  And I mean FOR DAYS.
So I finally got a new doctor when mine left and because I'm going through this horrific process of getting yet another surgery for my stage 4 endometriosis so that I can finally, hopefully conceive- I wanted to get off the benzos for good.  My new doc switched me to valium and prescribed tryptophan and melatonin in high doses.  Tryptophan in high doses is a natural seratonin booster and mood stabilizer.  It deepens and increases the quality of your sleep. Within 2 weeks I was able to cold turkey the zoplicone (after nearly 2 decades of use) and drop down on the valium with NO side effects.  I am sleeping better than I have in YEARS (and I'm in hell pain so this is a major success)
I'm telling you this because I think it would be a great natural option for you to replace both the benzos and the ULtram.  It may make your transition a lot easier.
Lord woman, you've been on one heck of a rough journey and it sounds like you take care of everyone.  Please make sure that you are taking good loving care of yourself.
I am so sorry this happened with the pain clinic- but maybe it is a blessing in disguise?  Opiates are NOT good treatment for chronic pain.  EVER.
And speaking as a fellow autoimmune disease person-
I have Crohn's, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Interstitial Cystitis, and Endometriosis- the opiates are NOT good.  With the exception of the endo- they make the pain worse.
I found that proper rest, a strict anti-inflammatory diet, and a regular yoga practice were absolutely sufficient on keeping my pain levels under control.
Stress is a huge contributor to autoimmune flares (as I'm sure you are aware)  I know it is near impossible for you to avoid given your son's circumstances (bless your heart, I can't imagine)  So you are going to have to find ways to find peace for yourself.  I would highly recommend Yoga as a regular daily practice as well as some CBT or one on one counselling to help you manage.  I also had some success with Biofeedback therapy.  Whatever you do, stay away from acupuncture or deep tissue massage- NOT GOOD for fibromyalgia.
I think you will find you are in LESS pain off the opiates than on.  It takes about a month or so to get over the rebound pain and regulate.  I was shocked to find I was in 90% less pain than I was while using.
I was basically able to manage my pain entirely without drugs until this latest endo flare wreaked absolute havoc on my life.
Opiates are wonderful and have their time and place.  I would not be able to even type these words right now without them- BUT-
They are short term solutions.  They create so many long term problems that it just is NOT worth it.

I would really encourage you to talk to your doctor about Tryptophan.  And I really hope you find some peace.  You deserve it.
If you have any questions feel free to PM me okay?
Sending support...
Lu

[jimi1822]

You are an Inspiration and please thank your Son for his service may GOD bless him Always. Sorry for my post sounding a little harsh but I truly Care about you and want you to get the help and care you need to get over the demon addiction/dependency I will keep you in my heart felt prayers. Stay strong, determined, and persevere through these tough times. Thanks for your service as a medical professional I'm sure your very caring towards your Pt's. Please keep us up to date on your progress.

                                         Prayers, Blessings, and Strength From Above

                                                                  jimi (little wing =0)

[Jinx_777]

you are a HUGE inspiration and i am grateful for your post.  thank you and  your son for his service.  he is a hero.  you got this.  hope he is better. he seems to have a great attitude on life, just like mom.  thank you

[lovelyladybumps]

Thanks for your support all. What's really messed up about this situation is that I feel like they forced me into this - they originally wanted me in Opana ER and I'm like ain't no way. I try to take as few drugs as possible because since having bypass surgery everything hits me 2x as hard so I usually cut my doses in half to get the effect I need. I've been working in the oncology field for 10 years and before that I was in PT/OT/ST, pediatrics and family practice so I'm very familiar with these drugs and these side effects. The only drugs I really need to take are my estrogen replacement since I had a hysterectomy at 29, and then weekly doses of 50,000 units of vitamin D and monthly shots of B12 because I'm chronically deficient in them due to my particular type of bypass surgery. I've had migraines ever since I was 12 so I take Imitrex for them and I also take ironically percocet as my breakthrough med for when the max amount of Imitrex doesn't work.

I have no money and no time for inpatient  or outpt rehab because I am already in the hole with so much leave from last year with my son's 7 month coma in a different state and all the leave I took when he transitioned back down here. My company was very gracious to keep paying me but as a result I owe them by not taking time this year to get back out of the negative.

I don't feel like I need medical intervention at this time. I am actually very peaceful right now. Still don't have much of an appetite but I force myself to eat something - however that's not an uncommon thing for me because the bypass surgery made me not want to eat a lot or anything afterwards. I'm more a grazer.

I found a bottle of alprazolam 0.5 night that I was prescribed 2 years ago for flights (you do not want to be on a plane going through turbulence with me) and the night I wrote my initial post I took one of those with an Ambien to get to sleep. If I feel the anxiety coming on I take half a pill now and it works fine. I also picked up my last dose of ultram which my PCP gave me to wean from and have been taking one in the morning since that's the worst time and I'm good with half a pill later in the day if I need it. I'm really trying to lay off all the Tylenol and Aleve because I don't want to blow out my liver.

In a way, I'm glad that this is happening now because I am covering for another employee at work for two weeks while she is on vacation so I am hellabusy and it keeps me focused.  I normally eat mostly organic but I've been indulging in a lot of comfort food to get by (cheesy poofs are my addiction du jour) and make sure I eat a good protein filled dinner. We put everyone here in the house on a 10 PM bedtime, and to be honest it's done wonders for all of us. As of today we all seem more rested. That could be my Ambien talking though... Which I will never have an addiction to.  I would only take them when I was in school online and writing papers to all hours of the night so we are talking maybe 1-2 per week once a month.

I'm doing the shower bit but I've always enjoyed a good hot shower. I have been making sure my husband wakes me up as soon as he's done so I can start doing yoga and Pilates stretches before my shower and to mentally prepare myself for the day. I came across my mantra for this whole process the other day purely by accident - "what may feel like a disaster is actually a graduation" and I think it's just so apropos for what I'm going through.

I don't feel like I need these drugs anymore and I feel strong enough that if I had to take a Percocet for my migraine that would be it. I figure if my son could make it through Marine boot camp,  survive an injury that killed him and brought him back to life despite every odd against him, and then have him be here today telling me that he's glad I've become such a wonderful parent and he loves me very much... I can do this. His injury retained me to focus on positives instead of negatives. Now I just have to apply it to me - I'm great at doing it for others but not so much for myself.

[jimi1822]

Great answer to a tough situation =0)

[nursegirl6572]

I agree that a medically supervised detox would be best, considering the multiple medications you're on.  The Valium is especially problematic and risky, as abrupt benzo discontinuation can lead to seizures.  Valium is less risky in that regard, but it is still a concern, and with the symptoms of the opiate w/d, your seizure thresh hold may be lowered.

I would really recommend doing this with the help of a doctor, inpatient would be great, but if not, outpatient with close monitoring of a doctor, preferably one who specializes in addiction.  You also need to start now to find a new pain doctor/clinic.  Your pain issues are still going to need to be managed, and it may be difficult to find a new doctor right away being that you were dismissed from the last clinic.

Best to you, keep posting!

[jimi1822]

I'm sorry, Tylenol (3) has a full grain of Codeine and they do show up differently with a Tox Screen =0) I agree she should look at the options of going to a hospital to detox where they have Medical Professionals to help with the detox but she has to be open and honest with the staff.

                                                          Prayers and Blessings

                                                               jimi (little wing)

[jimi1822]

Percocet has Oxycodone with Acetaminophen, Tylenol (3) has Acetaminophen with a half grain of Codeine.

[Sonrissa]

I agree, Motye.  The Ultram and the Valium should not be stopped cold turkey.  I do not think Percocet has codeine in it, but I'm not sure.

Lovelylady, I hope you will get a doctors assistance with this.  It could be dangerous to suddenly stop the Ultram and Valium, due to a risk of seizures. Take care, and keep posting and let us know how you are doing.

[motye51]

In reading your post, my opinion would be to NOT try to w/d from all of these different medicines at home.  This is alot of prescriptions you've been taking and for quite some time.  I'm not sure that it's a good idea to go cold turkey without medical staff present in your case.  Maybe I'm wrong, and I'm hoping nursegirl will come on shortly and tell you what needs to be done, but I do think this one's gonna be a hard one.  I'm trying to figure out how you fail a drug test where it shows up codeine if you were taking percocets anyway? Don't they both have codeine?  If I were you I would start immediately looking for a detox center in your area that can take you ASAP!  No waiting 30 days, you need to go now!  Please be very careful with this...