any one new to the fourm,and lurking / open fourm

[hippy]

i was wondering if there was anyone new to the fourm
who might be lurking and reading, i wanted to welcome
anyone who is just reading the post, and if you had any
questions we could answer regarding getting off opiates
such as vikes, percs, hydro, oxy, lorcet. it's all the
same  in the end. they all steal your life from ya,
they promise everything then  damm you with and emptiness,
ans unhappiness.


peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bodymechanic]

Welcome to anyone that is new. Kick, share or just chat. You will find a wealth of collective knowlege here that you could never get from a doctor, councellor, shrink, 12 step group or anywhere else for that matter.  Share anything you like and remember you are totally anonymous and will not be judged unless you act like a jerk which is extremely rare on this forum.

Peace

[curious1998]

Hi to everyone, I tried to post a new question on this but could not get it to go thru.  I need help with my Soma addiction, going thru a detox center is not an option.  Afraid to tell my doctor, since I have been getting thru the internet.  I have bad back and migraines, I have kicked Vics, and many other things, but I can't seem to shake this monkey off my back.  From my heart, any advice would be so appreciated. Take Care.

curious1998

[athena]

Great idea to post an invite to lurkers.Thats just the type of encouragement people need to post.I hope your doing well.Stay sweet......

pixi

[Bodymechanic]

I don't understand.  From everything I have ever read Soma is not addicting.  But just because drug manufactures call medicine is not addictive that doesnt mean it isnt.  Still you are the first person who I have ever heard who is addicted to soma.

[tuxwan]

Yes I just found this site thru ask jeeves. I'm trying to find out how to wean myself down from 60mg of metadone a day for a cancer surgery, been on it for almost four months and scared to death to come off, I'm a hope to die alchoholic too, so I don't want to play at it, but I also don't want to end up sick all the time. To make it worse I'm hypertensive and take .2mg of clonodine, twice a day to keep my blood pressure down. I don't know what to expect, so any help would sure be appreciated.

[The Golden Slipper]

Could you write back and let me know the particulars.  How many Soma you take daily and for how long you have been taking it.

I posed the question last week about this drug because a doctor wanted to prescribe it for me and got responses that led me to believe it was addictive.  My sister was on it for 2 years and I know she told me she had some trouble when she stopped taking it.

If you could give me somemore detail I will ask my sister about her experience.  

Hang in there
Golden Slipper

[hippy]

i am an addict, i have abused anthing i have ever taken.
i had to take soma for severe back spasams, i became
addicted to it mentally for about a year , it is  a drug you can only take so much of before you end up not being able to walk or talk. they build up in your system and when you take them day after day you think you have only taken 3 or 4 for a day,
but you still have in your system from the day before.
it is a drug that reminded me of qualudes, so i guess i was chaseing a something that does not exist. i stopped taken them when i flipped over my truck, i took 3 or 4 on a sat morning.
went out  everything was fine they hit me and i was like a someone who drank a bottle of wiskey in one minute.
once i stopped there was depression but i do not remember
painfull withdrawl.
it was mental. so i guess an anti -depression med would help.
like prosac.
i think the L-tyrosine and b6 would do the trick for depression
also, .

[hippy]

there are people here at the fourm who know the way to taper from methadone , some mathamatical fourmula.
im sure some one will post it.
it has been posted before many times

[chrisby]

Hi everyone I've been reading the forum addictively for the last 2 weeks Thanks for the invitation. It has been helping me out quite a bit lately. 2 years ago I got hooked on vics than percs oxys. Was told to got to a methadone clinic so I did and started on 25 mgs a year later I was up to 50 why they let you do this I don't know. I weened myself back down to 25 in the last to months and got stuck there. After alot of research I discoverd buprenex and got lucky enough to find a docter to detox on it. (For $1000.) It was a little shacky changing over but now I feel fine. I was just wondering if anybody else has tried this route. and if so how hard was it to get off the buprenex. I have disc problems so I don't like clonidine for withdrawls because it doesn't help with any back pain.
           This forum is great i've read some others and this one sounds like people that want to be drug free...
               Thanks Chrisby

[curious1998]

Thank you to everyone who responded to my Soma problem.  I started taking it when I hurt my back, I have a very addictive personality, and should have never started it.  I have to take 3 or 4 to get any relief from my back pain now. (at a time) when I have tried to go off, the w/d's are similar to coming off Vics.  Restless legs, trips to the bathroom etc.  I'm having more of a problem coming off these then the Vic's.  I thank all of you for your non-judging responses to my problem, this is by far the most caring forum I have ever seen.  By the way, do I find the L-tyrosine and b6 at the vitamin store?  

Thanks again so very much.
curious

[Bodymechanic]

Clonidine is the drug of choice for detox regardless of the substance.  Tyrosine is available in the health food store. If you have an addictive personality I suggest that you investigate deprenyl.  It boosts your natural production of dopamine. Low dopamine levels are a very common problem in the addict.  Low dopamine levels may be the reason that some people find it hard to stop using drugs permanantly. Deprenyl reduces the chance of senility in old age.  Animal studies indicate the use of deprenyl on a regular basis increases lifespan by 20% and more.

[puma]

(Tuxan),

Since you had cancer recently, I can not answer your question about the Methadone as I have never used it.

I would suggest however that if you are a die hard alcoholic, that you detox from that first. The Methadone will make the withdrawal somewhat less as will the blood pressure med Clonodine. When a hard alcoholic withdraws your blood pressure will shoot through the roof and if you have seizures, stroke, heart attack, or delirium tremens(DT'S), you may be in for serious trouble, severe suffering and even death possible. You will need to detox through a hospital setting since you are a die hard alkie and also had cancer and are on Methadone. That is a complicated mix.

Don't worry, the sickness from alcohol withdrawal will go away with treatment in about a week to one month. After a week it is mostly cravings for a drink. After a month you may not even want to look at a bottle. Then address the Methadone issue. Ask an addiction doctor first for they would know best whether to detox both at the same time or one and then the other.

I hope this helps, thanks for responding and keep posting and let us know how you are doing. Take care and God Bless.

(Hippee), Glad to see you back on the board and inviting new guests. I hope you are doing well. Take care.

Chathan.......wildcat

[DIRTBAG]

Yep its me, Hello everybody, Hippee you post the best questions, and must be the guy that says Hi I'm Hippee a grateful recovering addict, you always come across like you care so much. This is going to be a long post, I've on day 5 no hydro, I'm so excited, today on day five I just down to one nap a little achy and small amounts of sweats.  Because your post is to newcomers lurking and I have just C/T I think it is a good time to share my recent experience. Day one I threw up once and hurt all day but because I'm on vacation I just been able to cruz, I woke up all night sweating and twitching, the twitching is what I hate the most, Day 2 mostly the same, Day 3 better and Day 4 I jumped up and took a shower, when I got out I knew something had changed. I always take baths because my body hurts and I lay there and wait for my dope to kick in to get moving everyday I'm like that, I just jumped right up like I waS NORMAL, after I realized this I really moved forward in my head and I slept the best yet last night.  Day 5 today the evil thoughts are creeping in, oh I'll just get a couple when I get home to catch up, I can handle it now, if I take one I'm sunk, I will never stop at one. I was so lucky to be able to take this trip to kick, I was so bad at tapering and could'nt function sick at home.  thomas said lock yourself up for a week and rest and take baths and that is the key.  There are many ways to kick but if you can get away and keep your secret its a blessing.  Thank you everyone for the help and encouragement to get me here I've just begun to post I'll never stop. In these threads lies a part of me that only can be shared here.  hey Jess, pixi

[DIRTBAG]

Where are you I want to read your happy posts, you really helped me I've been thinking about you all week.  You humbled me mrstracy, lets share. Post soon and I hope your safe and well. Its me Dirtbag/Peagravel and now longhauler. Peace

[puma]

(Longhauler),

Congradulations on day-5!!!!! GREAT JOB. Keep up the good work resisting those temptations. I don't know how true it is, but I read somewhere, that once you are past the acute withdrawal, the cravings only last about ten minutes and if you can distract yourself in anyway then it fades for awhile. I don't know if that is true so don't quote me on it.LOL Anyhow good luck and glad to read you are doing so well.

Chatahan.........wildcat

[DIRTBAG]

Thank you, I bet your right its like that for smoking, that was good advice, I haven't been more than 2 days without pills for 3 years I think maybe 2 I was on crank before that this is huge for me I'm getting so excited I'm starting to sweat gotta stay calm rest mellow I'm fine just the way I am

[Bodymechanic]

Methadone withdrawal is by far the worst and longest lasting of all withdrawals.  I quit 20yrs ago and I was in acute withdrawal for three months.  It was six months till I was able to sleep again. In my case the methadone gave me a permanant case of insomnia. This does not happen to most people. I would suggest that you find an open minded doctor and switch to oxycotin for three months.  Oxycotin is much easier to get off of than methadone. Withdraw from the oxycotin using bupenorphine.  You can go directly to the bupenorphine but I think that this may be the only way to get off easy.  There is the option of slow dexox but I suggest that you drop no more than 2mg a week. In that way you will be off in 6 months. Do not rush this process unless you are prepared to suffer.

[The Golden Slipper]

I talked to my sister last night about the Soma.  She said she was taking about 4-5 of them daily for a year.  She was also taking percocet and lorazapam on a daily basis during that time period.  It was after she broke her leg and she was laid up with alot of pain,anxiety and depression.  These drugs were her comfort during that time.

They gave her clonidine for her withdrawal. She did have a very rough time for about a month.  She did do this as an outpatient, but remember she was on more than just the Soma. You may want to see if you can find an addictionologist in your area who you can consult about this.

I don't know where you live, I live in the Boston area and was able to search the internet and found 3 or 4 doctors who specialize in addiction.

Good Luck and hope this has helped somewhat

Please keep posting

Golden Slipper

[athena]

Welcome back! Im so proud of you!You sound wonderful.....I knew you could do it.If you get a chance to read your old posts,you will see just how far you've come.Give yourself a big pat on the back and ignore that little voice that says...I cant just take one..I can handle it now.I'll keep you in my prayers.gotta run,i'll post more later.

hugs
pixi

[curious1998]

Thank you all for the great advice, I have got to start some researching right now.  After I read a couple of posts, somehow I don't feel so bad about this problem I have.  My mother has very bad addictive problems, I know drinking problems can be passed down, I'm staying away from that, you don't know how much you all have helped me.  Bless you all.

curious -

[DIRTBAG]

Thank you for the compliment, I am going to go back and read my old posts when I get home, blah I know some of them were off the wall, I am so happy to be posting where folks understand me. How are you? Have you heard from mrstracy? She has been a big part of my inspiration this week, her testimony about her children touched my heart so much.  I hope your happy today and I know you told me before how your addiction is going, but I was pretty wrapped up in myself, (imagine that!) Your support has been loved peace to you

[cheermom]

i have been lurking around for about 6 months now but just started posting in the last couple of days.  i just wanted to thank everyone here.  just reading the posts and knowing i was not the only "pill popper" in the universe was a tremendous help.  i am now six months completely pill free!  even though i still have bad days they are not as bad as the days when i was desperately trying to get my next prescription.  anyway, i just wanted to say thank you and i hope everyone is doing great and feeling great!!!!!

[puma]

Cheermom,

Congradulations on six months, keep up the good work. I have been partially sober for two years from alcohol until recently again, but I have taken Klonopin for four years and am getting sick and tired of being dependant on doctors moods, whims and such.

If they would just assure me the 8 MG'S Klonopin and not stress me like last February when they cut me c/t and I almost died of the DT'S, I would not drink. When I drink I feel violent and want revenge on everyone that ever screwed me over. It goes round and round in my mind. It sucks. I am still waiting for Super-typhoon, (I need you so badly) to end my misery. This is the time of year here, until mid January. Our Docs here suck.

Sorry for the downplay but I am glad you feel so well, I hope I get there or to the (BIG WIND) very soon. Take care and thanks for posting. Keep posting, the newbies really need the inspiration.

Chatahan........wildcat

[DIRTBAG]

I hope I spelled your name right, Good morning what is the super typhoon? I am also wondering what you do with all your anger in your sober state, I'm so worried about my feelings coming out I've been stuffing them for 20 years and I feel screwed over by many people too. I like to use of course so I don't feel anything.  Hope your day is good.