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30 hours plus with no opiats
I was on sub for two but it ended 14 days ago...no money, so on day one from the sub I decided a little norco would help the withdrawals and 14 day later I'm back at 200mg + a day. Yesterday I went CT from the norco and paying for it dearly now.
My question is what am I withdrawing from norc's or sub's or a little bit of both ?
My question is what am I withdrawing from norc's or sub's or a little bit of both ?
What the hell? Seriously? Buprenorphine has a much higher binding affinity for the mu(opiate) receptor than naloxone. A person who has been on Suboxone can shoot/snort as much as they want and the naloxone will have no effect at all because of that. Hell you can read that on Wikipedia of all places. The reason the pharm company (RB) put naloxone in Subs was to lengthen their patent on it. Notice there are generics for Subutex but no generics for Suboxone???? Oh and then RB put out the Suboxone film strips....also to lengthen their patent. They're making a killing off drug addicts. Don't buy into the propaganda buddy. Do your research before you try to give someone else advice, and possibly wrong info. This all coming from someone who has been on Suboxone for 4 years. Have you been on Subs?
Actually no, all the subs do is block the effects of weaker agonist opiates, preventing them from bonding to receptors and giving you that high. They are just expelled from the body via urine, unused.
The only time suboxone will cause precipitated withdrawals is when you start them wrong, not waiting until you are in full withdrawals from your opiate of choice. Then when you take your first dose, it isn't enough to do what it's supposed to, occupy ALL the receptors and kick any remaining weaker opiates off. Because of this, the sub only strong enough to kick the other weaker opiate off the receptor, but there isn't enough left over to occupy the receptors, and precipitated withdrawals start. The cure for that is another dose of subs.
The only other way suboxone can cause pecipitated withdrawals is if it's abused. Taking subs oraly as intended, the Bupe has a higher bioavailability that the naloxone, and so it occupies the receptors while the naloxone is inert, and is expelled from the body.
However, if someone were to try disolve and inject the suboxone, then the naloxone has the higher bioavialability, and it bonds to the receptors, kicking everything else off, causing precipitated withdrawals.
That is the only purpose naloxone serves in Suboxone. It does nothing when it's taken properly.
when you tried, you probably didn't wait the 72 hours, and your sub dose was too small. Alll you needed to do was take another dose. This is what happens when the doctor handing out the subs doesn't follow proper treatment protocol, or at the very least give you proper instructions on how to use it at home.
The only time suboxone will cause precipitated withdrawals is when you start them wrong, not waiting until you are in full withdrawals from your opiate of choice. Then when you take your first dose, it isn't enough to do what it's supposed to, occupy ALL the receptors and kick any remaining weaker opiates off. Because of this, the sub only strong enough to kick the other weaker opiate off the receptor, but there isn't enough left over to occupy the receptors, and precipitated withdrawals start. The cure for that is another dose of subs.
The only other way suboxone can cause pecipitated withdrawals is if it's abused. Taking subs oraly as intended, the Bupe has a higher bioavailability that the naloxone, and so it occupies the receptors while the naloxone is inert, and is expelled from the body.
However, if someone were to try disolve and inject the suboxone, then the naloxone has the higher bioavialability, and it bonds to the receptors, kicking everything else off, causing precipitated withdrawals.
That is the only purpose naloxone serves in Suboxone. It does nothing when it's taken properly.
when you tried, you probably didn't wait the 72 hours, and your sub dose was too small. Alll you needed to do was take another dose. This is what happens when the doctor handing out the subs doesn't follow proper treatment protocol, or at the very least give you proper instructions on how to use it at home.
I was on methadone and they tried to switch me to suboxone and I tried but didn't go well. You can't take nothing on suboxone or it will throw your withdrawals into overdrive.
Of course a little norco will help with the withdrawals, There's nothing like an opiate for opiate withdrawals!
You aren't feeling the wd's from the subs anymore. Those would have been at there worst around 73 hours after taking the last one, and lasted the usual 3-5 days, which you avoided by taking the Norco. Now you are going through opiate withdrawal from the Norco. which is basically hydrocodone and acetaminophen, which you are risking killing yourself with as well when you take 20+ Norco's a day.
That's more than double the max amount of acetaminophen /day, and you are probably taking a smaller overdose several times a day, exceeding the max single dose limit of 700mg acetaminophen. Do you know what ALF is? It means acute liver failure, and more than 450 deaths happen a year to people doing the exact same thing you do. This doesn't include the thousands more that end up with severe liver damage.
What's scary, is often the person doesn't feel a thing while they are killing their liver. something to think about the next time you feel like reaching for another pill.
Good luck on this attempt. I truly do hope you can make it the last time you have to do this. It takes mental strength to overcome addiction, so try remain focused on the positive aspects when your brain tries overpowering your control over it.
You aren't feeling the wd's from the subs anymore. Those would have been at there worst around 73 hours after taking the last one, and lasted the usual 3-5 days, which you avoided by taking the Norco. Now you are going through opiate withdrawal from the Norco. which is basically hydrocodone and acetaminophen, which you are risking killing yourself with as well when you take 20+ Norco's a day.
That's more than double the max amount of acetaminophen /day, and you are probably taking a smaller overdose several times a day, exceeding the max single dose limit of 700mg acetaminophen. Do you know what ALF is? It means acute liver failure, and more than 450 deaths happen a year to people doing the exact same thing you do. This doesn't include the thousands more that end up with severe liver damage.
What's scary, is often the person doesn't feel a thing while they are killing their liver. something to think about the next time you feel like reaching for another pill.
Good luck on this attempt. I truly do hope you can make it the last time you have to do this. It takes mental strength to overcome addiction, so try remain focused on the positive aspects when your brain tries overpowering your control over it.
The subs will cause longer WDs. The norco will only last a few days. You were on sub for a long time, so expect it to linger some. Not the horrible stuff, but just insomnia, low energy and restlessness.
Well its day 2 and the withdrawals are pretty much gone, I just have the sleep and stomach issues right now. I have done this over 20 times in the past but never has it been this quick. It peaked at the 30hr mark and it was down hill from there......weird but I'm not complaining .
Well I dont have personal experience w/subs but w/all Ive read jumping from a high dose can cause awful,long w/d.I can tell u though RIGHT now ur most definitely w/d from such a high dose of norco.The only good thing is u didnt take the norco for long so u will have a rough few days from the w/d from those.Im sure someone w/more knowledge of subs+the cross abuse of norco will be along2help u more
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