questions about subutex and opiate withdrawls PLEASE HELP

[tiredandbroke]

I have been and oxycontin user for 5 or six years. The first time I used was for about two years then I toughed it out at home and went cold turkey it took almost 6 weeks to start to fell normal again but i was sober for a year. The problem is I crushed my foot 10 years ago,I have had seven surgies on it to walk right but i still do not walk right I am wearing out my knee and hip on my left side and have back problems now.
I started using again for all my pain issues
  I am over two years back into using oxycontin again the last 5 months I am up to 400 to 480 mq aday used to sallow but now crush and snort I need that much just to function. My questions are What is the true right way to use subutex I found a great doc who is helping me get off but still trying to help with the pain( very hard to find) evertime I start the subutex it seems I jump right into full withdrawls he has gave me kolatipins also (spelling). The other issue is the last time I detoxed I had issues with my heart it started skipping beats towards the end of it.( ihave seen a doc about it)  Now when I start my with drawls one of the first things I get is a fast heart beat like I am running does anyone else gets this when WDing also where can I find the amino information I have seen mentioned on here has anyone tried that with the thomas method

I have two young kids now and a great wife she has stuck with me through tons of stuff but she said if I ever got back into oxycontins she was gone and could not go through it again well she is still here and trying to help me thank god.
I need to get clean I am so sick of the drugs controlling my life I want to go to a rehab but here in VT They all suck and it would kill me to be away from my Family any and all info would be great I just want my life back I need to know about the subutex the most

[tiredandbroke]

It was started out prescribed to  along with 15 mg percocets then the doctor moved his practice and I could not find another one to work with and get help because here in VT opiates are very,very muched abused the doctors do not write them out. but At the time i had a very good business and traveled a bit and got them on the streets for cheap and started to take more and more another thing that I found weird is I have a bit of OCD not bad but little things and the oxys took all signs of it away whuch was great. then u know how it goes start needing more to get out of bed no energy without them and next thing ur planing ur day to day life around them. The thing that I regret the most is the first time I got clean I never did any after care I thought I kicked it its over I am tough do not need meetings or help then there was the pain issue I just cut back my acttivites and when I did alot of stuff just suffered well i am back to an addict again after I swore never ever in my life after what I went through but I also have more pain issues from not finding a way to help that also..I have shut my business down for a bit due to the economy and my habit and need to get clean.
I was put on Subutex not Suboxone
But what i do not get was I waited 8 to 10 hours started getting into withdrawls this was tuesday night at about midnight took 8mgs under my tounge at two in the morning I am getting sicker quick on set of some WDS so about 3 or so I took another 8mgs still nothing getting sicker sweats, heart racing, pooping, so on  about 8 or 9 wensday took another 8 mgs still nothing. (bottle says take 4 a day and doc said when I first start I my need to take two at a time or closer together to start them working. but will peak then come back to what bottle says) so by noon wensday sick as a dog  call a friend got some oxys wanted to get better and figure out what was going on. from wensday at noon to wensday at midnight did 4 or 5 to feel some what better, slept nothing tuesday night about 3 hours wensday night and today I have only done 2 oxy 80s and feel decent I do not get why the subutex did not work like all says it does. Has anyone tried everyother day with the subutext at all I am wondering if it is still in my system helping me a bit. Has any one ever tried weening done of 80s just doing enough not to get full blown sick, just get the sweats and aches use enough to get by and taper off. The other main problem is that my bad leg kills me about 20 times woarse then my good one in WDS I am sorry to write so much It just feels good to get it out and talk to others about it.

[wildwoodone]

You said you where given Subutex, not Suboxone right?  That shouldn't send you into withdrawals then.  Which are you taking?

[liscamdave]

Like yourself, I was a heavy oxy abuser., I would have to take at least 5 80's (400mg) just to get out of bed. Every night, before I would go to sleep, I would put 5 80's under my nightstand and as soon as I woke, I would chew and eat all 5 at once. I was massively addicted. At least a few times, I took close to 20 80's (1600mgs) in the course of one day. I swear to god. My usual day consisted of about 10-12 80's. Obviously, I would spread these out throughout the day, and taking that high an amount of Oxy, I barely wanted to sleep, I just wanted to stay high all the time. It was bad. I was introduced to it by a friend of my husbands and together we became severly addicted.

Anyway, I know where you are coming from. I had no clue how to stop, especially when I knew both me and my hubby needed to stop or one of us would end up dead, sure enough..it was him. I found him shortly after he o'd''d.

My point is, I was so lost in my addiction, I needed something to help me quit as I could not do it alone between being so physically addicted and so mentally depressed, so I tried Buprenophine and that worked for me, then I got hooked again and took Sub. You do have to be in full on w.d to start sub. Most peeps will say 18-24 hrs after last dose, I say 24-36 hrs after last dose. The longer you wait, the better you will feel when you start it. My advice, stay on it for a couple weeks at small, small doses. The w.d can be fierce to long term users...Even to short term users. But it will help you to stay away from oxys while on it. Aftercare is a must, go to meetings, stick with the forum...anything to help you stay on track. YOu will notice, that once you go a certain amount of time without the oxy, you won't want or need it as much. Now, also, be careful with sub. Most addicts are tricked into believeing it is a miracle drug which allows you to by-pass w.d altogether. And that is not what it is. You cannot by-pass w.d. You just can't. Especially  after taking that high an amount...good luck, we are here for you..

Lisa

[ochooked]

Greetings tiredandbroke;  welcome to the forum -- you are at the right place.  To start with the question about going into full W/D's when you start on Sub - -- Didn't your doctor tell you that you need to be in full W/D's when you first take Sub???  Otherwise it throws you into W/D's.   Next - your dose of over 400 mg of Oxy per day is a huge amount -- was it all prescribed?  Or did you supplement the Rx with street buys?  Yours is one of the times where Sub may actually be justified -- a very large Oxy habit.  I would recommend you read the post on the health pages (top right hand side of this sheet) -- there is a post titled "Members experiences of coming off Suboxone" ---  it will let you know what you are in for when you eventually try to come off of Sub.  I commend you on your decision to get clean.  No need to explain about all of the pain issues that led you to such heavy use - -- this is the case in almost all of us.  We start with legit pain but soon find ourselves using for other reasons as well.  The Oxy's also steal ourselves from our families and take away things we never even know about until much later -- things like our sex drive --and many others that you will rediscover when you are clean.  Please stay on this site and post often - give your own experiences and read the others -- you will be helped enormously.  Now, dosing Sub is a difficult thing and most doctors do not have a clue of how to do it right.  You should start with as little as possible -- you can determine that by taking 2 mg and waiting an hour -- if you are still in W/D then take 1 mg and wait again.  Sub is very hard to W/D from so beware.  Wish you all the best.