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please give advice....

.I have been on Percocet for 2 years. I kept having to take more and more until I was taking about 11 a day. When my prescritpion would run out, I would go to people who I knew had pain meds and ask for meds. When that failed, I'd go to an Urgent Care or Immediate Care facility. I have been off the percocet for 3 wks but am now on tramadol to help get off of it (actually, thats all i could get my hands on). I had an apt to go back to the dr this morning for my percocet refill and my dr found out i had been going other places. so, she cut me off. now, as of yesterday, i took 15 tramadols per day until today. I took ONE this morning because thats all I had left. That was 4 hours ago. I have a child and husband that neither of them know I'm on pain meds. I DO have hip pain but am wondering if its not worse just becuase of the meds. i'm hoping when i get off the meds, the hip pain will all just be in my head. I do have hip impingment, torn labram, bone spurs, fluid, arthritis, etc. But my question is this.... is there anyone out there who is willing to listen to me and help me thru this? I have no more pain meds left. My doctor found out because my insurance company sent a letter to all the doctors i've seen and all the pharmacists that i've used saying that i've been using too much pain med. please help me. how can i make the withdrawals easier? I dont want anyone to know i'm going thru withdrawals...so i have zero support. its all just me and a bunch of lies. suppose to take my daughter to a big function tomorrow and i'm obligated to be there. what am i going to do? I need help with these withdrawals. how long will they last? what will ease them? please, someone help me and give me advice!
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I'm new, but some of your story is the same as mine.  I have failed bilateral hip surgeries for labrums, etc., and been on Fentanyl and Dilaudid for 2 years,  prescribed by my pain management doctor.

Although I have tapered off the above,  until noon yesterday I was still on 30mg Vicodin. I have my first revision surgery scheduled November 1st and have gone cold turkey for 20 hours because they won't do my surgery unless I'm clean by this Friday.

I wanted you to know how inspiring you are.
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anyone out there??
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how often do i need to take the supliments I told you that I have? The mag-cal-zinc, b6, etc. i dont even remember what i told you i have now. this has been horrible! But I know God has been with me throughout the day. I just can't wait til its over! I keep watching the clock.... it seems as if time has stopped in my hell of a world. It seems like nothing is getting better. will it ever end? Will I EVER feel normal again?
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trama....i dont know what i'd do without you!! So you think i'm at the peak? already? i think i'll be ok if it doesnt get worse. ifi t gets worse, i'm in trouble. this.. i can ride out for a day, maybe. i'm miserable. if i could just get still and go to sleep, i think i'd feel better, but i cant. i've had almost a half of a bottle of gatorade this morning. the sweats arent as bad as they have been in the past when i've tried to get off this crap. hopefully thats helping too. i just wanna stay in bed and sleep but i cant because i cant lay still and go to sleep. besides, i have to be awake for when my daughter gets out of school. when does the anxiety subside? If that alone would go away i would be good!
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Well.....the peak of all of it and then it will start getting better.  You are probably feeling about as bad as it will get if you're already having all of that.  Usually opiate wd peaks at about 24-48 hours and then slowly gets better.  SLOWLY!  So don't lose faith.  You'll be better by end of week for sure.  That way you can look forward to the weekend!  By Thursday, you should start to feel a little better.  So just hang on for the next few days.  Force fluids.  Eat toast or soup.  Bland stuff.  Take the imodium.  Don't forget that.  It really helps!  And take your supplements.  You may not think they are helping, but they are!  Try to take really deep breaths and hot baths to combat that anxiety.  I know it's miserable, but just try to hang in there!: )
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i cant lay still.
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Remember I told you I got hold of a few more pills? Well, in all honesty, my last pill (one loracet) was at 4pm yesterday. So, I've been almost 18 hours without one. The anxiety and the restless legs are the worst part right now. I'm having some dieareah, but i've been taking immodium. nausea...cant eat a bite. drinking a little gatorade. severe back pain. nervousness...anxiety....anxiety...anxiety. i had to take my daughter to school.... thought i was going to die before i got back. told my husband i feel like i've got a stomach virus or something. his response, 'again?" He's so tired of me being "sick". if i can get thru this, i'll be so much better. so thats where i stand. what do you forsee for the next 24 hrs for me?
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First three days.  When was your last pill?  Just remember, hot baths or showers go a long way toward helping lots of the symptoms.  Can you tell me what symptoms you're having RIGHT NOW?  Exactly what your body is feeling......

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Yes, I'm taking it. I'm struggling this morning. Bad dreams all night. NOt much sleep. I hurt and ached all night long. Which part of all this is the worse? Is it the first 24 hours? first 48 hours? First 3 days? What's the worst part?
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Hey, I was just awake and wanted to check on you.  What kind of night did you have?  I had trouble finding valerian root too when I was looking during WD.  I finally found some capsules but no tea.  (Lots recommend tea)  This stuff will pass in a couple more days if you don't take anything else.  Try double up on imodium and forcing the fluids.  Take a Goody's Powder for your head.  Or Excedrin Migraine is the same I think, but in pill form.   And a hot bath.  Are you taking the stuff that you went and got?
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The pharmacy didnt have any valerian root. i can't believe i've allowed myself to get to this point! I have a BAD headache too!
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You can do this!!  But it sounds like your withdrawals are pretty bad.  Both times I found myself in acute withdrawal, I wound up in the ER.  I had the terrible sweating and couldn't keep anything down.  Are you able to drink plenty of fluids?  If you can keep it down, you need to drink as much as possible.  You lose a lot through sweating and diarrhea and if you're vomiting on top of it, that makes it worse.  Dehydration will make you feel much, much worse.

Only you know the answer to whether you see another pain doctor.  Some use many other things besides narcotics.  A good pain management team doesn't rely only on medications.  They use a lot of other things:  PT, OT, procedures, gels/creams, other non-narcotic meds.

If you can get someone to pick up some Valerian Root for you at the pharmacy, it could help your anxiety.  It works great for me and a lot of people, though not everyone.  But it's worth a try.  Try staying in the moment and deep breathing.  And don't underestimate a hot tub or shower.  You're getting through this.  It just takes some time.
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I don't have nyquil but I do have melatonin. I have always taken that every night.
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The imodium helps diarrhea and some of the other symptoms. Mag cal zinc helps several things but mainly legs just like the potassium will. Take 4 of mag cal zinc right now. And a couple of imodium. 1 potassium. The Tylenol will help aches. B vitamins are for energy. Take as directed. Do you have any nyquil?  It will help the rls. Promise.  Hang in there. Take a hot bath too. Let me know how you're doing. Ok?  Just hang on!
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I'm ok with the depression right now. I'm taking zoloft.I think I'll be ok. If I get worse, I WILL go to the ER. I'm feeling massive anxiety right now, back, hip, and leg pains. Restless legs. sweats and chills. fatigue. irritability. depression. The worst part is the legs (pain and restless), my back pain, runny nose, sweat/chills, and anxiety. My legs feel like jello when I try to walk. I just can't seem to get the energy to even hold my head up! HOw long does this last? and the things I bought that I posted previously....will those work and how will I take them?
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Ok, these are the only things I could find at the store... please tell me if they will help and how to take it all... Tylenol, immodium, b6, b12, potassium, and a suppliment that is calcium/magnesium/zinc. Now... does any of this help at all? and how do i take it?
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If you're feeling suicidal then go to the er. No kidding!  That's serious. What are you doing to treat the wds? And what all are you having at this point?  Please don't give up, honey. You can do this!
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Should I try to find another doctor who will refer me to a pain management clinic? Or just continue trying to stick it out cold turkey? I have an apt with a new doctor in the morning.... trying to decide if i should keep or cancell. Not saying he'd refer me either...but these WD ware awful. I dont know if i can take it. I seriously want to die.
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You can get by without the Valium.  Try Valerian Root for the anxiety.  I had been on Ativan and I think the Valerian Root works better and there's no worry about dependence on it.  When I was in withdrawal, the sweating was really bad.  I'd alternate between that and the chills.  Soaking in a hot tub really helps (or hot showers if you don't have a tub.)  The bananas, tonic water (with quinine) or Hylands Restful legs will help your legs.  I had terrible restless legs this summer while hospitalized with an illness.  My potassium was really low and they had to give me p otassium pills.  I couldn't believe how much better it got when my potassium levels got better.  That's why the bananas work.  Orange juice also has a lot of potassium in it, if it's not too acidic.

All your symptoms are normal.  Don't worry about what will happen with your hip replacement.  You can work that out with your doctor when the time comes.  It's possible he can give you something non-narcotic to help with the pain.  (My neighbor had open heart surgery at 78.  He took nothing but Tylenol and that relieved any pain he had.  It's hard for me to believe but it's true.  Not saying you'll be able to do that, but I think sometimes surgeons will give more than you need.  My surgeon actually told me, "Don't worry about post-surgical pain.  I'll have you snowed."  And he did.  To the point I was throwing up the whole way home.)

If you do need narcotics with your hip surgery, you'll be much more aware than you were in the past.  They can taper you off slowly and only stay on it as long as necessary.  I have bad chronic pain from an unsuccessful joint replacement in my thumb and I ended up with RSD.  I am at the point that I've learned to manage my pain in different ways.  Sometimes when you have chronic pain, you just have to learn to live with it.  I'm not saying anyone should be in agony but for me, anyway, I'd rather deal with the pain than be dependent on narcotics.

You can also look into finding a good pain management team.  Many pain management specialists do a lot of other things than just narcotics.  They have procedures, other medications that are non-habit forming, and prescription gels and creams.  You can find different ways to deal with your pain.

The worst of the physical part of this will be over for you in a few days.  Have you thought about any support groups like AA/NA?  It seems to make a difference for being successful in staying off the pills.
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Hey, just get the rest of it. I didn't use Valium either. Everything you're having is normal and made worse by dread and fear. Do you have some imdodium in the house?  Take some now if so. You should feel a little better by Wednesdayish. Just hang on!  It's gonna be ok!
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i looked at the thomas recipe. I have no access to valium! Do I just get the rest and go from there? I'm scared to death. I need hip replacement and I'm so scared I end up getting it and having to fight this demon again! I guess I'll worry about that later. Right now, I have major, MAJOR, anxiety....back pain...sweating rivers....my hip truly does hurt, restless legs.... diareah..... fever.
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You can do this.  Just take it a day at a time (or an hour or a minute!)  Keep hydrated, eat what you can, use the supplements in the Thomas Recipe and keep posting.  (And I hope when you're done with the physical withdrawals, you'll look into some kind of aftercare.  And I hope you'll keep posting here, both for yourself, and for what you can contribute to others.)  I think you'll get great support here but you're also going to need support in real life, too; especially since you're not sharing with your family.
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you guys are wonderful! You are my only support system, so please don't leave me through this. I just need a week or two of your time and then I'll leave you alone. Please don't leave me. I have no one else.
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Valerian Root works great for anxiety.  For the restless legs, bananas, tonic water (with quinine,) or Hylands Restful Legs will help.  Ibuprofen will help with general aches and pains.  Ice packs or heat for your back, depending on what works best for you.  Keep drinking lots of fluids ... if you have trouble with keeping things down, try popsicles or ice chips.  If you have trouble with vomiting, you need to take a good sip every 15 minutes.

Worrying about how bad the withdrawals will be will only make things worse.  Just take it a moment at a time.  Keep posting for support.  Melatonin or Alteril can help if you have trouble sleeping.  Take as many hot baths as you need.  You'll get through this.  It may not be nearly as bad as you're anticipating.
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