Hi I just wanted to give you some support and Congratulate you on your clean time. I am so sorry about what is happening to you. I did not shoot my drugs but snorted many in the past. We do have a lot of people on here that did shoot there drugs. Just stay close to your post and they should chime in. OK Also you will be a great asset around here for the ones who are shooting or have. We have other communitys around here to that you can check out. I have seen a few come on and ask questions about shooting there drugs and they where not going to stop either..this is where you can help.
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thank you nurse girl for posting that and i thank you for saying congrats on the recovery part. i will be honest it was the hardest of any detox's ive ever done. i was scared i would get that kind of answer about not knowing exactly what subutex does. i wish while i was in active addiction i would have done this research and stopped earlier. i was shooting them for almost a year. the more i read and more im clean i panic almost at what i have done. acceptance in this situation and any situation as you said is the most important or ill drive myself crazy. who would i go to for a referal for the cardiovascular surgeon? my mom read some case studies last night about people shooting subutex and she said in every case they all had to have some kind of heart valve replacement and that scared me. i feel like the damage is done now and i am here still alive to only pass on my experience to people who are still shooting this crap or are thinking its ok to do so. but i thank you for your time like i said all 3 doctors said they dont know what happen. so really, thank you
For one, congrats on being clean! That's great!
Unfortunately, what the docs are telling you is true. Depending on how long you injected Subutex will depend on how much damage was done and whether it will resolve or not. Sometimes it does, sometimes it does to an extent, and sometimes it doesn't.
There's many different ways a vein can be damaged as a result of shooting Subutex. One, your nerve issue was probably a result of swelling and/or infection in the tissues around the vein, which caused the nerve pathway to be interrupted. You don't have to "miss" to have issues.
I don't know if you've heard of a histamine reaction? That happens when something that's not suitable for injection is injected. It's basically the body's defense mechanism against something it identifies as foreign and a threat. Repeated histamine reactions can cause all sorts of problems too. The immune system initiates the histamine reaction, and usually, there is a localized reaction to that response, which in the case of an ACTUAL foreign substance needed to be fought off, it's good. But with IV drugs, the histamine reaction is pretty futile, it's just like a car spinning its wheels. Especially because typically, the person is reintroducing the foriegn substance over and over. But that reaction itself can cause fevers, swelling, redness, etc.
The fillers in Subutex can cause different kinds of damage as well. They can cause calcifications or a hardening of the veins, clots are a concern, narrowing due to chronic swelling and irritation.
Unfortunately, really, only time will tell when and if the damage will start to repair itself. You can definitely seek other opinions, but I think most docs are going to tell you the same thing. I don't think it's as easy as it sounds to diagnose a specific vascular damage like that, and if they did, I honestly don't think there's a whole lot that could be done. You can always ask for a referral to a cardiovascular surgeon. That would be the best kind of specialist to tell you what your options are...both diagnostically, and treatment wise.
I think you would be smart to be realistic about this and a little more accepting that you really may NOT get as specific an answer as you want, and you may not see a ton of improvement. Only time will tell...I hope for your sake that you get some answers and see some progress. I know it's frustrating, but it's just not as easy as taking a tube of blood to figure it out. The vascular system is complex. At least if you found a good specialist, they cold maybe explain it to you better. I think that's one of the biggest issues is you feel like your questions aren't being answered. I would want more specific answers too. Hopefully I helped a wee bit with that.
Very best to you...be proud of yourself for your recovery!