temesic doseage

I am now down to 3 mg.of methadone, I have temgesic (buphenorphine) tablets and I am wondering if anyone knows the ususal dose to take to control the withdrawal symptoms.  It is the .02mg. pills (sublingual). I took one and it didn't help much. I just want to make sure that I don;t over do it. In a few more weeks I will be completely off of the meth. and then will I have to take a higher doseage of the temgesic?  And how long should I stay on this med, I just want it to help with the end of the withdrawal syptoms (symptoms).

[sharonver]

Sorry, mispelled the subject line:  TEMGESIC, not temesic!!

[krazee8]

Well sorry for the hijack but I just had to post, I have been sitting here in fear since last night that the cops are going to come knocking at my door.  I have been a lurker here for months and want to quit and of course am in so deep just keep playing the same old game.  I ran out of vics yesterday and decided to try calling in a prescripiton to the pharmacy (idea I got off of here, but not blaming anyone but myself) and I have done this succesfully twice but am very paranoid.  I used a fake name and went to pick it up and the girl at the pharmacy was too nice and said script would be ready in a minute and I could wait right there.  Instead I went and sat in my car and waiting 10 minutes and told myself if there was any cop cars etc in front of the store by then I would just leave.  Well guess what there were 2 cop cars parked in front of the store, so needless to say I left and drove home shaking, thinking about my 11 year old daughter at home waiting for me and what it would have been like to be cuffed, arrested, and hauled away in the middle of the grocery store wearing my son's high school sweatshit. God, all I could think about was how low I have sunk and when am I going to get caught.  Do I live in fear wondering if they are going to catch up with me and the fake names I have used at the 3 or 4 doctors office I have gotten prescriptions from.  Why can't I just quit, what kind of life is counting out how many pills you have left and where the next ones are coming from.  I have so much to live for but just feel so scared and afreaid to quit, why is that?  I appreciate everyones support and posts it is so encouraging to know people can quit, relapse, quit and doesn't make me feel alone.   That is all for now. Thanks

[sharonver]

Well, first thing it is ok that you cut in on my post, its sometimes difficult to post a new question and when in need you post where you can!!  That sounds like a real scary situation, I hope that it works out for you.  You may be ok if they don;t have your name,but I don't really know about anything about that. Anyways I would suggest that you try to find an addictionologist that can help with your addiction problems.  The doctor can get you on a tapering schedule and try to get you off of your drug of choice.  Do you have chronic pain issues?  I don't really know too much about your situation so I can't recommend too much.  But there are many people here with lots of good advise and everyone is willing to give you the support and whatever help they can.  This is a good start, coming here to post.  Having an extensive support system is very important. Good luck to ya....

Sharon  (remember your beautiful child when you are feeling low)

[Thomas03]

Fortunately, you used a fake name. True, you're on the in-store video, but they have no way to readily ID you. Even if they could ID you, you didn't actually pick up the phony Rx and there's no way to prove you made the call. You got away with this one. Obviously, you can't go in that store anymore.

One thing to remember, caller ID.

In my 3 decades of using (mostly Vics like you), I was a "guest of the county correctional system" 3 times. Each time you get busted, it gets more serious. This particular crime can be a misdemeanor or felony at the DA's discretion. Your bail would have been between 10 and 20 thousand.

After this, you may be so scared walking into that pharmacy that you bust yourself. Consider doing something else.

Thomas

[Kitty46]

I was in your shoes 2 yrs ago. I too have kids. I did the same things, using fake names, many drs, writing scripts, etc. Yes I got caught. You need help. I did too. I didn't know how or where to get it. Getting in touch with an addictionologist is very good advice. When we are so desparate todo those kind of things, we are crying for help. As long as you recognize ths, you have already taken the first step.  Keep posting, that does help alot.  There is a good life after addiction just waiting for you!

To the friends that posted about my feelings of shame & guilt. I want to thank you. I tried that dilemma on 2 other boards & didn't get any feedback. It made me feel so good that some one cared enough to post!! I need so badly to feel that I am not the freak with a big Red Letter A on my forehead.

[mrmichael67]

Sorry to bust in on this thread.  Nicolette, please email me at ***@****.  I can give you some insight on the methadone.  I am also a mmt patient.

[pammy0690]

I like your handle. I do not have anymore pearls of wisdom to tell you because it sounds like you already know yourself what you are doing and what the conquences are.  If you didn't care then you would not be so worked up about it. You have to come up with a plan.  One that is good for you.  If that plan includes in-patient treatment, tapering, cold turkey, out patient counseling is of course up to you.  You do have options you just need to sort them out and decide where to go from here.  Good luck and you have come to the right place!  Pammy

[krazee8]

Thank you everyone for being so supportive it is really what I need right now, as well as to know that I am not the only one who has been there, done that.  Yes, of course I know I am in trouble and in deep trouble.  I legitimately started taking pain medication vics mostly, for managing my migraine headaches about 3 years ago.  Last July things just got out of hand and I started doctor shopping etc. and my primary physician found out.  Mind you I had no one in my life that had a clue about my problems, to them I am a single mom doing the best to provide a good life for my kids.  My physician sent me a letter informing me she was disappointed by my betrayal of her trust and suggested I seek treatment.  It took a couple months to sink in but I went to a 3 week inpatient in November and came out and was clean maybe a day.  Obviously this is way bigger than me, and I can't believe I have become such a sneaky person.  Lying, cheating, going to doctors telling I am in pain,when I am not, god the disease just kills you.  Anyway I use anywhere between 10-12 10/325 Norco a day, when available.  I find it so easy to lie to doctors faces and think up ways to get drugs it is scary, as one member put it they deserve an Academy Award, as I do.  Anyway, thanks again for listening, I got the **** scared out of me and that will keep me from doing that again, and I just pray I am strong enough to keep making the right choices.
Love ya all.

[Thomas03]

Gosh, sharon, your post got lost in the rush! I'm not a bup expert, but I know that the maintenance drug Suboxone comes in 2 and 8mg doses, while your Temgesic is, what, .2 of a mg? I'm not telling you what to do, but that's the dosage comparison.

Thomas

[theGolden1]

Yo Sharon ... you are the headache lady .. yes? Sounds like you are still fighting the good fight. What happened to ultram? I thought you were using it for a while. Did you change to something else? I'm starting to think I will never get rid of this dependency. I am at a really low dose ... but I'm getting impatient. Glad to see you again .... Goldie

[SarpyJesse]

Hey, Sharon!

It's been a LONG time since I've posted here... I WAS JesseSarpy, but had to change that signon as someone else was posting using other's signons (And they included MINE!)
I hope that's not happening here anymore--

Anyhow, I would like to re-iterate what Thomas was implying about dosing w/ Buprenorphine. With your Temgesic pills containing 200 Micrograms (.02 Milligrams) of Buprenorphine, and Suboxone containing 8 milligrams of Buprenorphine, we're looking at two VERY DIFFERENT dosings. Taking one 8-milligram Suboxone pill is the equivalent of eating 40 (yes, FORTY)   Temgesics.

Good luck with WHATEVER you do!

Jess

P.S. Did you receive that shipment? US Customs seized mine. Damned Customs... It

[Forum-M.D.-rcb]

0.02 mgms. is 1/400 of 8 mgms, not 40.

[sharonver]

Thanks Thomas for your info, anything is a help right now. Trying to determine the amount to take is a little bit confusing because it is different from the buph they prescribe at the clinics.

Goldie,
No I am not the headache girl, but I did tell you one time that I was trying ultram for my arthritis, I only take it on occasion when I get an arthritis flare-up.  It is definitely not a med that I like so I know I will not abuse it.

Jess,
After reading the forum M.D.'s reply I am a little bit confused.
1/400 of 8 mg.? actually how much is that?  I am just trying to get an idea of how many .02mg pills I should take,I tried getting info online (most of it is in french) but the little that I did read in english pertains to the suboxone dose. And yes I finally did receive my parcel.

Sharon

[mrmichael67]

Temgesic is .2 mg, not .02mg.  Forty of them will equal one 8mg Suboxone.

[rodewc]

BROKE DOWN AND TOOK A XANAX (first time) TONITE..

I TELL U, THE MENTAL BATTLE IS WORSE HELL THAN THE UDDER,, SCUSE THE CAPSLOCK...

TAKING A VICO NOW COULD BE OK SAYS MY FRICKING ID...

JFC, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOTH IT MAKE??? WHEN ALL LIVER (note, NOT lover, God, what wouldnt i give for a frickin decent, Real.. real, REAL lover) TESTS ARE ALL OK ( frickin liver tests).. IF U FOLLOW THIS- U R WORSE OFF THAN i

lol

~~

[Forum-M.D.-rcb]

Sharonver:

Your last comment illustrates a very important point why it is dangerous to provide specific advice long distance. I was fully aware of the dosage of bupenephrine but did not know whether  the form of it you had was identical with others. You should inquire about experiences of others and share concerns but you must communicate with the professionals who are treating you.The two efforts are complementary.  It is unfortunate that you remain confused. You may have meant 0.2 mgms. instead of what you wrote 0.02. I wish you speedy recovery

[suzneedshelp]

Hey people!  I would be happy to share my strength, hope and experience with anyone about my 27 day inpatient experience!  Please e-mail me at ***@****  but wait a few days cuz i cant find my password!  Ha!  Mind is clearing here slowly but surely!
Love ya'll!
Suzie

[sharonver]

Thank you for your input and info. I have not been able to find a physician in my area that has this knowledge.  There may be an office for (buph) opening close to my area in a few months but I am hoping to be off the methadone by then.  In the meantime I am using temgesic 0.2 mg. (not 0.02) which I am starting to realize is not a very strong dose, but it is all I have to get me through the end of this detox.  Thanks again for your compassionate response.

Sharon

[Thomas03]

Your last post on the discussion thread at bottom is most expressive. It convinces me more than ever that you are in no shape to do this by yourself. The recipe is for assisting people doing a cold turkey (no Lortabs period) self-detox. This is not something you want to do in your frame of mind. Also, in order to accomplish a 1-week detox of this kind you need to have at least 4 days to crash - no work, no child care, no driving, no nothing. That's just the nature of this addiction.

As for your work learning of your rehab: I don't really know. I'm hoping someone else on this forum has some experience in this area. One thought: Your concern about confidentiality is hardly unique. Why don't you contact a rehab and tell them of your concerns. I know that some medical providers provide drug rehab but bill their services for something else.

Just try contacting a few places. The detox recipe is posted under a thread below called The Thomas Recipe. But I honestly think you need some "hands on" help right now. A slow, controlled taper would help you more than anything else will.

You are not going to lose the fear that grips you until you share your secret with someone who can help you. You've made a good start here at this forum. We are here to help in any way we can. Please keep in touch.

Thomas

[Erika_Ann]

IM SO SORRY TO BREAK IN ON THIS THREAD GUYS BUT THE NEW QUESTIONS AREA WONT LET ME ASK ONE. SO HERE IT GOES. I ran out of vics and percs so i bought a fentanyl patch that is 100mg patch and Ive had it on for 2 days now and boy it helps with the arthritis pain and fibromayalgia I have. Should I ask my doc to put me on this. I dont get the euphoric feeling from it like the pills but it takes the pain away. Its like a new me. I dont know what to do. Im so lost right now. Im tired of feeling pain and not being able to do things. Im really sad. Dont know what to do. I just needed some input and advice. Love you all and thank you for your time.
Erika

[mrmichael67]

Sure the patch will do wonders.  I am surprised you are handling the 100ug/hr patch so well.  That strength is equivalent to taking somewhere in the area of 40 percs a day.  I can't remember what you were taking, but I thought it was less than that.  The patch could be an excellent alternative for you.  I do doubt your doc would put you on the 100 though.

[Thomas03]

If it works for you, why not? But be careful buying those off the street. Fentenyl is ultra-potent. Its dosage is measured in micrograms. Get the wrong dosage and you could OD. You should also know that Fentenyl can have a difficult withdrawal.

Of course, when you ask your doc, you're not going to tell him you snagged one from the guy on the corner, right? I'm glad it makes you fell better, Erika. I know you've been struggling. Good luck at the docs.

Thomas

[dancinginthedark]

Dear SF:

You have come to the right forum, espec. because the detox recipe you speak of is called The Thomas Recipe.  The tabloids suggest the author is the same Thomas you find so knowledgable.  And yes, *he* does have his moments of clarity but I can't imagine he'd be one and the same.

OK.  He is & spurting a fountain of well-founded knowledge, most first-hand & apart from me, we all LOVE him.  I'll admit he's master of this domain but well, we don't want him to get all full of himself now, would we?

If you scroll down the forum a tad, there's even a thread named The Thomas Recipe & there are copies all over the place.  And in my 2-3 mos, here, I have heard over & over how it has helped ppl, even w/out the valium/xanax.

You have come to the right place & for all the right reasons.  You sound utterly committed & that is at least half the battle.  I am not real familiar with Lortab but I know of many on this board who have taken far more than you who have come out the other side.  Now is the time to literally stare yourself in the mirror & tell yourself not only that you can beat this but that you will.  

Most important:  Stay in touch with this forum, even when you don't feel like it.  Apart from one wackjob who tries to climb aboard occasionally, *everyone* else is terrific, supportive & will offer you knowledge and that much needed lifeline we all need - whenever you need it.

And if you're feeling blah, post anyway.  We all go thru that angst & completely understand it.

All the very best,

Dancin'

[Erika_Ann]

is it really equivalent to that many vics? cause It does not feel like it. Why is that? I would feel higher taking all those vics than just this. It slowly goes into your system is that maybe why? I dont know but I have never felt this good since I was 10 years old just before I got this painful disease. What should I say to my doc? I want to be able to say I tried this and it worked. I know it sounds dumb but I have never felt so good and have no desire to pop pills at all when its on cause the pain is under control. Should i not tell him and just wait until I get insurance and tell the pain mgnmt doc? Im lost you guys. Thank you for your support and guidence it means the world to me. Thank you both of you from the bottom of my heart.
Luv always.  Erika

[Thomas03]

Boy, that must be a good brand of Xanax! I think you've invented a new form of typing. Sort of Mavis Beacon with a big buzz on ...

Thomas

[lisabet]

So glad to see you back !!!  Please post about your experience --- I really think it would benefit us all.  Love you, Lisabet

[rodewc]

Good Lord, if 1 xanax throws me for a (foot n mouth) loop like that, I'm done w that drug?????

Hell, no way did I make it up and kickin at 4 AM for my normal early AM addictions: msg. boards, cards, e-mails, cawfee, newspapers, dog poop scoops

Instead, I called in sick and slept until 4 PM! My God.. dont tell me I am gonna have to take another Xaanx tonite to deal w the Long nite hrs.. Who KNOWS WHAT I WILL BLAB IN ALL CAPS?

It was a teeny prange pill.. .5.. I took half at bedtime and half at midnite

whatta zone out`

[rodewc]

That beech Mavis Beacon is why I started on Vikes anyhooo.. dayum slave driver~

[mrmichael67]

You are going to pay around $225 for a box of five of those 100's.  You would probably do well on a fifty.  When do you get insurance?  You could go to a pain doc after you get it and mention you had the patch in the past and it worked far better than anything else.  You could also bring it up in the course of conversation....."You know doc, someone on my pain forum mentioned they use the patch and say it works great and they don't wake up in pain" or whatever.  That would most likely work if the doc happens to be a fan of the patch.  Some docs do like the patch because they feel the patient will be more compliant.  But, the patch can be abused very easily.  I read your question on another thread and it mentioned you are taking about seven vic es a day and then thought about that 100 you slapped on and I caught a chill down my spine.

[mrmichael67]

Check out this chart and you can see how that 100ug/hr patch stacks up against other opioids:   http://www.globalrph.com/narcotic.htm

[Thomas03]

Is there any way you can credibly tell your doc that you used duragesic under a former doctor? Even this is risky. He might want to know why you left that out of your history to begin with.

But, really, I wouldn't tell your doc that you're buying Heroin-class narcotics off the street to supplement what he's giving you. He could very well conclude that he can't trust you and the whole thing will blow up in your face. Fentanyl is a big time narc, Erika. It's so potent that the strength of the patch has to be matched to the patient's tolerance. Many docs would freak if you told them you just up'd and slapped one one.

How 'bout if you say you correspond with many people over the net with the same condition and many swear by the patch. Tell him your current pain therapy just isn't working and you want a chance to at least try the patch. BTW, the patch is fairly expensive without insurance. Good luck.

Thomas

[Duragesic idiot]

Hi every one, I am new here.  I am currently on the duragesic patch 250mcg q2days.  My new doc is trying to get my dose down.  The patch works wonderful.  I also abuse it though.  I wear one 100mcg and "snort" the gel in the extra's.  It works well for breakthrough pain but I also do it to get high which I am not proud of.  I will post more about myself in another post but just wanted to add the comment about how great the patch works for pain.  I have reverse cervical lordosis, tortocollis and am being worked up for spinal cord compression at the moment d/t the prior two things.  I am so sick of taking pill afer the pill.  If you can get a doc to write it for you it will really help.  Just don't get into snorting it like I did.  I feel like such a cheat and a loser doing it.  Nice to meet you all. Looking forward to getting to know you better.
The Idiot

[SarpyJesse]

I don't know how you would "Snort" Gel, but you should realize that ingesting fentanyl in any form other than the slow-release patch is asking for an early death. That's the truth, and I'm sure that there are many people who post in this forum whom will back me up on that fact.....

I hope you were just kidding.

[Thomas03]

I use Fentanyl gel to style my hair like Ace Ventura.

Thomas

[Jerri2]

I can just picture you with that hair style and the fentynal in chunks all over your head!!!Your to much!!Thanks for the laughs!I still want to know why he would snort gel though?!It would have to be plastered all over in his nose on the way up!Talk about f---ed up sinuses!!!    Jerri

[Thomas03]

Well, since the gel apparently enables the skin to absorb the Fentanyl from the patch, I imagine the gel would enable the nasal membrane to absorb Fentanyl -- probably much faster than skin. I've never tried it, but Fentanyl is supposed to be rockin good ****. If I was reasonably sure I wouldn't OD, I'd be tempted to snort some gel. It would undoubtedly be uncomfortable at first, but, once that Fentanyl hit your bloodstream, I doubt if you'd care what was up where ...

Of course, with something as potent as Fentanyl, overdose is always a possibility. I hope that by posting, Duragesic Idiot recognises that and will take it easy with the Fentanyl.

Hope you're well, Jerri

Thomas

[Duragesic idiot]

Hi all, i see my admitting to snorting the durgesic gel met with some distaste.  That is to be expected.  I unfortunately was NOT kidding about it.  It's pretty easy to divide a patch up into quadrants and figure out how many mcg's you get from each "snort" so to speak, so as not to overdose.  It doesn't burn, it's water soluble and dose nothing to my nose.  Well my head is another story.  i know it is bad and I don't feel judged by your comments about it, just the concern for me your expressed, thanks.  PS the fent gel in the hair thing is a funny pic, very very expensive hair gel I must say.  I am careful though, I know my limits of using, not my limits of stopping though.  I would never overdose, I don't have enough supply to do so, I have to ration to the next month which also becomes a problem b/c I tend to snort the max and am left with very few pathches to wear which can then send me in to w/d's UGLY fent w/d's.  So I am battling controlling my urge to snort so i can save some to wear b/c I actually do have very bad cervical spine problems that the drug works for.  Well, gotta run, peace all.
the idiot

[Erika_Ann]

Snorting? Thats just insane. I dont know how you function on that many mg? 250? that is alot! I put the 100mg patch on and that just about knocks me out !
It does work wonders though. You dont even have to pop pills when you have it on. Its nice to forget about pills when you wear the patch cause it takes care of the pain for you. Anyway, I hope your okay, cause snorting that (if your serious) is so dangerous. Please take care of yourself and I hope you feel better.
Have a good weekend all of you!
Love-Erika

[pammy0690]

If you used Fent. hair gel I would ride my mountain bike from Pa to CA just to lick your hair!  Peace bro that was a good one!  Pamela

[Thomas03]

In that case, there's no telling where I might spread that gel.

Thomas

[bmac]

RITMFF................That was really good guys...........

[Chezz2]

Now I remember why I like to peruse some of these "finer" threads!!!

Be good...and badddddd..........

Chezz

[lisabet]

Thomas - BEHAVE!....you sick-o! Take your sedatives and calm down, already!!!!....smile.   Love, Lisabet

[longtimegone]

Hey Tohmas
I was just wondering how that buprenorphine works tokeep someone well who has an opiate addiction. I took Talwin one time while I was on methadone and being an antagonist it put me right into withdrawl (withdrawal)! If this stuff is also antagonist I was wondering why it don't just make people sick. Don't know if you know that much about it but thought I'd ask anyway. Catch ya later bro, I'm getting ready to take a ride to Ocean City on my harley with a few friends. Should be a nice putt, at least I'll be out of the house. Take care man
Big Jim

[Chezz2]

LTA,

I figured I would post a site for you since I have also been looking into this. It is a great site and should answer quite a few of your questions, and anybody else's.

http://buprenorphine.samhsa.gov/

It is a agonist/antagonist so it unique in that it is an opiate, although it doesn't quite give you the buzz at all, more of a feeling of well being from what I have heard here and read. It will also send you into withdrawals if you use while on it. Not that you would want to use while you are on it, also from what I have heard. Since it takes away the cravings.

Here is some copied info on its release and stuff from the site as well.

The Drug Addiction Treatment Act of 2000 (DATA 2000) expands the clinical context of medication-assisted opioid addiction treatment by allowing qualified physicians to dispense or prescribe specially approved schedule III, IV, and V narcotic medications for the treatment of opioid addiction in treatment settings other than the traditional Opioid Treatment Program (i.e., methadone clinic).  In addition, DATA 2000 reduces the regulatory burden on physicians who choose to practice opioid addiction therapy by permitting qualified physicians to apply for and receive waivers of the special registration requirements defined in the Controlled Substances Act.

On October 8, 2002 the Schedule III narcotic medications Subutex

[sundara]

first of all i would like to say that all last week-end i did nothing but look for help to detox/withdrawl from vicodin, an 18 month habit. i read all the conversation on the forum.  i also searched the web intensly for some kind of help.  a 30 day detox was out of the question, i have two small children and my husband has to work, i guess if push came to shove we could have some how worked it out.  in any event i found the help and it is working, it will be five days (horray) sunday morning!! i found a program called medical assisted detox, i was given medicin for the stomach cramps, valium for the hebbie gebbies, and a light form of sleeping pills (all in limited quanities). .. the trick is you must have a caregiver to stay with you for 4 days,and it is the CAREGIVER THAT ADMINISTERS THE MEDICINE - YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TOUCH THEM YOURSELF. therefore i only had to expose myself to one person, instead of the whole family, i actually had two caregivers (my bestfriend and my husband) so that they took two shifts.  now on the seventh day (only two more for me) . . .i will be getting an implant placed just above my pubic area that is a opiate blocker, which means, if i use i will not feel the effects, i have been comfortable and not having any craving. so if anyone is interested the name of the program is PROJECT STRAGHT. i found it on the web or if you want to call for more info the number is 1-888-DETOX-911 or look on the web.  Good Luck and Godspeed . . . . .

[motherslittlehelper]

Hello everyone, I was just trying to find out some info for my mom...she is currently on 200 mcg patches of Fentenyl. She needs to have another back surgery (her 4th) and her doc told her she has to be completely off the Fent. He lowered her dose to 175mcg, and she could only handle it for 4 days. She is now "beating herself up" for being so weak, and is even considering NOT having the surgery so she can keep her dose the same. She can't imagine not having the Fent. She has to be completely off the Fent to have the surgery, otherwise, she could die on the table. My question is could Methadone help her wean, and could she have the surgery on Methadone?

Thank you:)

[motherslittlehelper]

Hello everyone, I was just trying to find out some info for my mom...she is currently on 200 mcg patches of Fentenyl. She needs to have another back surgery (her 4th) and her doc told her she has to be completely off the Fent. He lowered her dose to 175mcg, and she could only handle it for 4 days. She is now "beating herself up" for being so weak, and is even considering NOT having the surgery so she can keep her dose the same. She can't imagine not having the Fent. She has to be completely off the Fent to have the surgery, otherwise, she could die on the table. My question is could Methadone help her wean, and could she have the surgery on Methadone?

Thank you:)

[motherslittlehelper]

Hello everyone, I was just trying to find out some info for my mom...she is currently on 200 mcg patches of Fentenyl. She needs to have another back surgery (her 4th) and her doc told her she has to be completely off the Fent. He lowered her dose to 175mcg, and she could only handle it for 4 days. She is now "beating herself up" for being so weak, and is even considering NOT having the surgery so she can keep her dose the same. She can't imagine not having the Fent. She has to be completely off the Fent to have the surgery, otherwise, she could die on the table. My question is could Methadone help her wean, and could she have the surgery on Methadone?

Thank you:)

[muzaic_me]

Hi , I have been lurking with lots on my mind reading many sites I found this site most helpful to lurk so figured why not ask away,

I was on 8 darvacet-N-100 a day  6 Soma 350 a day and 5- 7.5mg tranxene a day 15 years and  I never had pain control I had extreme lower back pain  blood in urine unexplained from 1998 after menegitis burning pain and  more blood in urine which got worse and worse 10 years more pills more ER visits for breakthrough pain, with torodol shots, with compezine or fenegrn for nausea Dilaudid shots, demorol shots, with antinauseants nothing held me,I  was then told I also had Fibromyaligia and this was cause of back pain and possable hemeatura

In 2004 my Dr started me on 25.meq duragesic Fenetnyl patch I was 170 pounds I had gained 10 pounds a year within 2 months I was on 50 meq patch to 75 to 100 I went to a pain managment for asbout 6 months I was at 100 meq every 72 hours and al pills.I had to ask another Dr for help a pain managment Dr cause I feared for my life and wanted off all drugs as I was still on all same pills..Never eating but gaining more and more wt almost 200 pounds.and syill in pain now taking 3 10 mg compazine a day too Eerytime I went to a Er I was told I had dangerous low Potassium and they kept me for that, as well as pain managment gave me diladid or what noteven morphine often SR

Hospitals treated me like teh addict I looked like  and hypochuindriac cause I ahd back pain but they said Your obese lady lose wt well I had always been from 89 pounds to 110 highset wt I really was so humiliated many staff said who is your Primary hematura is not from Fibromyaligia  Scans were doen Cts and MRis a Tumor on adrenal gland above right kidney was prresennt I was told by Primary it was mostlilily a
The pain  management Dr immediately told me stop all pills, she meant all  all pills Stop with patch go down to 75 meq I did and NO WITHDRAWL (withdrawal), wow so I went from 100 to 75 no withdrawl (withdrawal) to 50 no withdrawl (withdrawal) to 25 no withdrawl (withdrawal) still I started not good pain managemnt so at 25 my Drs said 2 DarvacetN -100 and 1 Soma 1 Tranxene might be a good schedule
  Okay I stayed steady so went  evntually went to 12..5 meq patch the absolute lowest they make I am on 1 Darvacet-N-100 and 1 Soma  350 I am going off that 1 Soma tonight! I am not worried about that I want to get OFF the 12.5 patch but not go up on pills again

BTW I am down to 83 pounds as I went off all drugs I just lost wieght naturally was always around 110 83 is low for me as I am 48 and eating, but in what Dr sayd is chronic wasting But in 2003 was diagnosed with Braest cancer it is now found started in in Kidney, adrenal and kidney endocrine MENS!!! metabolic Endocrine nephratic Cancer syndrome system and thryoid and liver I know I will need pain managment for possable surgery I want off the patch problem is as I go down off Darvacet N and Soma My B/P is higher and higher potassium lower and lower I am on Triameterine HZTZ 75/50 for blood pressure and 4 10 meq potassium extended tabs I can barely swallow that I have  5 tumors in thyroid and larnax

What is safest way to do it ? whenever I ask My Dr she says" don't be silly your on lowest patch and 2 DaravcetN is reasonable That is Nothing you should be on more you have cancer "she refuses to give me a  tapper off scedule off cause my B/p has been really climbing and potasium lowering as I go lower on meds Does anyone know about covering parts of patch with insulating tape or over a week or so I have read sites on it want to know if its safe? Or also I see extending patch say 4 days then 5 days then 6 which would be 72 hours and a tapper off  would that help.? Thank You so much
I have  suc hrespect for you all been there done that and it was dam cancer since 1999  if you have chronic pain wih symptoms and not getting relief please do not keep throwing drugs at irt without a second opinion This cancer was found in a ER visit for uncontroled pain and with hematura but I alraedyt had 3 timors (nodules ) in thyroid she said were benign most lily and malignat pheocromoctytoma on adrenal gland she said was probobly a adenoma
No I do not want to sue her I actually blame myself for staying with a nice Primary treating my pain with  pills so many years I am more angry with hpopsital stays that saw tumors and did not question me or her more..I realize my B/p is going real high but I am so afraid of mixed drugs since I saw Heathe ledger final autopsy and my nmetabolisam is so differint with edocrune cancer I just wa nt off everything till the actual end of life

Blessings
Tiea

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