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Dear Friends: I am a major panic attack sufferor with biplor personality disorder since 1998 and have been taking antidepressants, bezo's and mood stabilizers drugs since then.
Since I read many of these articles on the forum I have noticed that most of us have the same concerns and fears. We all want to get normal, we all are afraid of side effects of the medicines, and we believe we will never get better even though we get all these nice words from others.
But lets think for a while we are normal, do normal people have no problems in their lives. They have different set of problems to deal with some bigger than ours and and some smaller. The junk food we eat most of that also have side effects of effecting our heart, raising our blood glucose level and pollution can cause asthma and so on and so forth.
So the more problems you have here in this life and one does not complain and thank God for what He has given us we will get more benefits in the hereafter life after death. Let me tell the nature is such that if you do good, good things will happen to you. If you keep complaining because of so and so my life is screwed up, nothing will happen to that person but right then and there you have sent a negative chemical in your body. And these negative feeling comes out in anger. But suppose you keep quiet then this burnning lava will erupt in valcano and cause PA. So start forging everyone. Its not easy. But I have seen people doing this and they die with a happy face.
Lets face it we all are afraid of dying and that is causing us the anxiety and the symptoms. But just for a moment just think that you will die when your time comes and no doctor in the world will be able to save you. And if your time has not come yet then nobody can take your life. So relax.
I personally am very scared of dying. I am anxious all the time. When I am in the plane I think it will crash, I don't drive alone as I have PA's but still i am afraid, basically I am afraid all the time. And because of this thinking my mind has become my worst enemy. My mind does all this bombardment on my body of all these negative thinking that I become irritable, tired, sensitive and helpless.
Its easy to solve other peoples problem but very hard to solve your own. So now remember that if you are sick, anxious go to the doctor get the medicine. Pray for the person who invented thes pill which is relieving your pain. Don't be afraid of dying.
Remember 3 things anger, fear andf guilt are miseries. You can get out of this by yourself only. The sooner the better.
Enough of the lecture. If anyone is hurt by my writing this I want to apologize for that. My intend was to help others for the limited knowledge I have.    
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154765 tn?1237247944
bip
14 days left until I move......It's going quick.......My puppie name is cookie and she is doing well Im so glad I can bring her with me I would of been very upset if I couldn't the moving can't wait to get this over but in the long run it's worth it.....
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Yes, I believe that is the site I found.  I will check out the live chat this Weds.  Thanks.

I do not suffer from panic attacks as far as I know.  A few months ago, I suffered from chronic shortness of breath big time.  I would notice that when I would get in the car, the shortness of breath became worse.  I would feel like I was literally suffocating or hyperventilating.  When I got to my destination, I would be fine.  So I don't know if that qualifies as a panic attack.

You know if you enjoy discussions like this, you should try the anxiety forum at Healingwell.com.  They tend to do that more over there.  If you didn't already know that.  They have forum moderators, who are A/P sufferers themselves.  It takes awhile to get to know everybody.  I bounce back and forth.
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We love you too bip!

How are things going with your move coming up?  Are you excited about it or is the stress of getting ready for the move starting to take over?  How is your puppy?  What is his name?
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Xanax is known to cause sedation.  This side effect typically decreases over time but that means one has to take the drug on a regular basis rather  than the "as needed" basis for which it is really intended.  Xanax has a well-documented discontinuation syndrome associated with it when it is used as a maintainance drug.

Have you considered trying klonopin?  You would also need to take it on a regular basis to reach steady state BUT the sedative effects are very weak and the anxiolytic effects (anxiety reducing) are strong (20 mg of Xanax is required to obtain the same anxiolytic effects that are obtained from 1mg of klonopin).  I believe the discontinuation syndrome is not nearly as bad as that from xanax.
Klonopin has been shown to be effective for treatment of OCD and numerous anxiety disorders.  Even though you are sensitive to medications, something like this may be an option with managable or negligable side-effects Just a thought....
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I could only find one forum for people w/ hypochondria and they do have a live chat session this coming Wednesday.  Is this the site you found?

http://www.thehypochondriac dot com


"It sounds crazy, but I'd rather suffer from agrophobia or any other phobia besides hypochondria"

LOL.  The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence until you get there!

Q: Do you suffer from panic attacks as a result of health anxiety?
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hello spade22, sorry it is confusing when we are e-mailing, all we have is words, and we take what we want as emotion when I read your e-mail earlier, and you repeated a sentence of mine, I took that as you were upset as to what I wrote. I am a sensitive person, and I can take things wrong from time to time. What i don't agree with is that I am not able to take medicine at all, my body is so sensitive that I have taken a third of the lowest dosage of xanax, and I was so tired I fell asleep for 8 hrs. This is not an option for me with a full time job, and a son. So do I think there are options for the future for medicine, yes I hope however the side effects are not worth me feeling worse over. The other thing is health anxiety is the so awful. I am so scared to die I feel like I am dying everyday, and sometimes I look at my son & my husband and it is hard for me to get close to them as for fear that it will be harder to let go, and my anxiety will be worse when I find out that I do have a horrible desease, or cancer. With health anxiety it is not just the symptoms. I am truly afraid of dying a horrible slow death, that is what truly wheys on my mind. I also have a form of ocd, and gad. So I hope that I hope this helps, and I hope I have clarified anything for you. Thanks
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Yes, definitely, early intervention and treatment of anxiety WILL significantly help the hypochondria.  That's if the anxiety is properly diagnosed early on.  Not everyone is this fortunate.  Some people have "unexplained" atypical symptoms.  Their doctors can't even quite explain their symptoms and use anxiety as an explanation.  Therefore, it's hard to determine that they actually have anxiety.  They are prescribed medications that don't help.  As a result, they don't accept the anxiety diagnosis and don't seek further treatment for it.  So the anxiety, if that's what it is, continues.  

I suffer mainly from hypochondria and OCD, the anxiety is secondary.  Therefore, when my anxiety level is lowered, I feel relaxed but it doesn't stop my worrying about my health.

It sounds crazy, but I'd rather suffer from agrophobia or any other phobia besides hypochondria.  I hate constantly feeling like I'm doomed to get a terminal illness.  I kinda wish there was a forum specifically designed for people who suffer from hypo exclusively.  I did find one somewhere else but there was a total of 2 people online, I was one of them (LOL)


  
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154765 tn?1237247944
bip
Ya, I seen alot differnet post to...... Ever since I started seeing a councelor and talking to other people my anxiety is a little lower...... I don't like seeing people with anxiety cause I know how it is.....I LOVE YOU GUYS you guys are very supported and I think we all help each other and work like a team..... I love helping people with anxiety giving them advise but they need to help them selfs to.....
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It takes a LOT to offend/upset me!  None of these posts have done either.  I feel this is a great discussion and I enjoy hearing other peoples perspectives on a subject as that heaps me understand how others interpret a situation.  It is always important to try and get different view points and to understand those around us.

That being said, tke: can you please expain what it is you disagree with me about?  You said that some people are scared their anxiety will not get better so are not willing to try something new for fear of exhausting all their options.  This, I understand and I have been there.  Do you feel that there arent continous options being developed to treat these disorders?  I am just trying to understand how you are interpreting this.

Raine: you made some very good points - thank you.  My take on hypochondria is there are different "levels" of this disorder.  For full-blown hypochondria people are continously obsessing about their health and this causes anxiety (the anxiety is a secondary effect). Conversly, someone who suffers from anxiety may develop hypochondria (secondary effect to the anxiety) as a result of symptoms they experience from the anxiety- e.g. heart pal = heart disease, stress headache = brain tumor, light headiness/tiredness = MS.  If the physical manifestations of anxiety are causing the hypochondria then controlling the anxiety would help signifcantly.  With primary hypochondria, the reponse to treatment will be different - SSRI's, for instance, may help with the anxiety but not with the hypochondra.  

I have noticed many  posts in this forum in which someone has a panic attack and then starts worrying about health-related issues (subsequent heart paps etc. etc. etc) after this event which suggests anxiety-induced hypochondria.  In these cases, I feel that early intervention and treatment of anxiety will significantly help the hypochondria.  I have personally found this to be the case (when I am less anxious I am less worried about health matters) but I could be the exception to the norm and, of course, everyone responds differently.  What are your views on this?  Have you had a similar experience or found the opposite to be true?

As you have both said, we are not here to argue/pick a fight/offend anyone and it is not my intention to do so with this post.  I find this a very interesting topic and hearing other peoples views on it helps me understand others which, in my opinion, is a good thing!
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hello raine9, I agree. I try hard not to get offended as I realize this site is for support, and not judgement, however this was what I was trying to relay above. So please don't think that I was placing judgement on brother, or spade22. I just want them to see another side of what other people deal with daily. I am in cbt, and meditation, The drugs make my symptoms extremely worse. I am not willing to feel worse than what I am already feeling. I have also changed my diet to an extreme, and have lost 25 pounds as a result.I try everything natural, I am also trying to search spiritually.Thanks for your observations, and support.
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I just want to offer my observation. Please don't get offended.

I think one of the problems is that you guys may suffer from different types of anxiety disorders.  Spade, you suffered from agrophobia w/ panic attacks.  tke5768, I think you might be suffering from hypochondria and generalized anxiety disorder (this is only according to a few posts I've read. sorry if I'm mistaken).  I suffer from hypochondria and as of a year ago, GAD.  Hypochondria, from what I understand, is very hard to treat.  Doctors are still trying to understand this mental condition.  The best treatment available is CBT, an SSRI and maybe an anti-anxiety drug.  However, meds don't always help and definitely does not cure hypochondria.  It only takes the edge off.  My psychiatrist didn't even think that I should go on meds until I've tried other things.

In any event, nobody can judge a person according to one or a few posts.  A lot of people come here just to vent because their friends and family don't want to hear it anymore or just don't understand.  Venting, especially in written form, is a form of therapy. It's cathartic. That doesn't mean, however,  that they are not actively pursuing various methods of recovery when they are not on Medhelp.  
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we agree to disagree then. Sorry your so upset, Im not on this forum to prove you wrong or fight with you, these are stic
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sorry to finish my sentence these are strictly opinions.
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"I want you to know that some people are really scared that thier anxiety will not get better, so to try something new will eventually lead to exausting the rest of thier options. Sometimes all people have is hope, and if it is all gone. Whats left"

I have suffered from agrophobia w/ panic attacks since I was 5.  I absolutely understand the not wanting to try something for fear of exhausting all options- I was 29 before I first sought treatment for this exact reason.  However, I eventually got to the point where I was no longer living my life and when anxiety interferes to that extent it is time to do something about it.  At that point I decided that:

I would try medication.  If that didnt work, I would try another and so on.  If none of the available medications worked, it wasnt the end of the world because pharmaceutical companies are always developing new compounds.  You can never exhaust all the drug possibilities as new compounds are constantly  being created.  Therefore, how can one exhaust fully hope?

The same applies with a councellor or program etc. etc.  It may not work the first time, but there are always other councellors to speak to and new programs to try. It is impossible to exhaust all options.

Living a life with anxiety is agony but not seeking treatment, if things dont improve,  is not going to help the situation.  There is always hope as the medical community continues to work on solutions daily.

I understand people dont like change but isnt leading an anxiety-free life, after one ridden with anxiety, a form of change? Sure it is!  Change is good.  Without it and the ability of the human race to adapt, we would soon die out....
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hello spade22, I understand where you are coming from, and you have valid points, however let me give you another senario. I have had anxiety all of my life. My first panic attack was when I was 8. I have tried 3 different programs, and all of the things above. Every time I try something and it has failed I loose a little more hope that this will never get better and I will die of a slow horrible death, and no one will care. Now this is just me, however I want you to know that some people are really scared that thier anxiety will not get better, so to try something new will eventually lead to exausting the rest of thier options. Sometimes all people have is hope, and if it is all gone. Whats left. Anxiety is so scary for people, and when they try all of these options, maybe not all, and they fail. It scares them not to want to try something else only to fail. and also to try new things gives people anxiety also, and they feel like they cannot handle it. I just want you to see the other side also, as I understand you and brother feel one way, I feel another . In the end we are all trying to get to the same place. have a great evening.
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I was not offended by the post at all.  The point I was trying to make is that there are people that post on this site that "want" to get better, but do not take appropriate measures to do so.   If people are not willing to make life style changes, try a pill for a few weeks, or see a councellor, to help with anxiety then how much does that person really "want" to get better??

Brother wrote: "and we believe we will never get better even though we get all these nice words from others....."

I think this hits the nail on the head - some people convince themselves they will not get better so do not really try..... they just give up.  Of course this does not apply to everyone and there are lots of people on this site that fight 110% but there are also many others that are not proactive.
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I too understand where Brother786 was coming from.  He was trying to tell us what adjustments he's made to his train of  thought that helping HIM.  It did sound a bit abrasive and cold at points, but I think that was just his frustration towards this thing called anxiety coming through, and only some of it rang true for me.  The great thing about this forum is that it's here for all of us to vent our fears and frustrations, ask for advice, and recieve advice in return.  If the advice I'm given dosen't ring true to me, then I take it with a grain of salt, as they say.  The positive self-talk that works for one may not work for another.  I am like tke5768 in that I have adopted the same diet, increased my activity level, and have sought help through counseling, all of which has reduced but not eliminated my anxiety.  And it seems no matter what I tell myself, I will eventually come full circle back to my troubled thoughts.  Wether you recieve advice from this forum, or a licensed therapist, that advice may not help YOU as it has others.  At least that has been my experience.  I seem to take greatest comfort in this forum as opposed to positive self talk because I can go on-line anytime and say, "I've been told I have anxiety, but don't really believe it.  Does anyone else that struggling with anxiety feel this symptom???"  I have visited this board daily since I found it and have been welcomed with open arms which is truly wonderful.  I don't feel good until I log on and touch base with my fellow "sufferers".  Even though I don't know any of you personally, I often find myself thinking of you all, and YOUR struggles, which relieves some of the strain of my own.  I don't feel so alone with this, and I thank you all for being here.  Hope you all had an "up" day today!!
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I will admit I was a little offended by the post, however I do realize what brother is saying. I would like to tell how much I have tried to change my life since this has started just so you know how much I have tried to get better. First I stopped eating bad foods, eating 6 small meals a day, all healthy fruits and vegetables.fish, chicken, and turkey. i only drink water,i do yoga, I do meditation, i go to counseling, and I am also in cognative therapy. I always give %110 percent. you all have to realize this is a support center and  if this forum is what helps other people feel better for the time that they are here on earth. By all means I would rather they feel good for the 10 minutes reading someones post.sometimes this is the only time people feel understood. As far as god. I know alot of people on this forum believe, however what about people like me who don't know what to believe. We are all so very different, even though brother thinks we have the same problems we will not always deal or know how to deal with them the same way. If you do believe in god, the bible states it is not for you to judge anyone. he will do this when it is your time.i realize that you are trying to help, but please understand that everyone is truly different, and some of us need people to relate to.I have no friends with anxiety as bad as I have it.they try to help, but I hate to have them look at me and see me as a burdon. As to weather you believe that we need to just deal with it and be positive. There are people who are unhappy and fake being happy, or there are people that are very unhappy and want others to be just as unhappy, and then theres me who wants desperatly to be happy ,and sometimes fakes it, and other times just tells it like it is. and again it all comes down to being different, and we are all different.This is why I need all of you. The good and the bad. Thanks
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I don't think that Brother was trying to offend anyone.   I think I know what he is getting at.  I have been reading this book called "Full Catastrophe Living" by Jon Kabat-Zinn.  In his book he talks about acceptance of the facts of one's life to overcome life's struggles.  It is definitely not easy. For anxiety sufferers, it is even harder.  It takes a lot of practice.  However, the point is to not waste energy dwelling on the negative and accepting things as they are. Of course that is not easy.  It takes a lot of work.  By doing this you reserve your energy to heal yourself.  I posted two paragraphs from his book regarding "acceptance" that has helped me see things from a different perspective.  Maybe it will help someone else.

According to Jon Kabat-Zinn:

"Acceptance means seeing things as they actually are in the present. If you have a headache, accept that you have a headache.  If you are overweight, why not accept it as a description of your body at this time?  Sooner or later we have to come to terms with things as they are and accept them, whether it is a diagnosis of cancer or learning of someone's death.  Often acceptance is only reached after we have gone through very emotion-filled periods of denial and then anger.  These stages are a natural progression in the process of coming to terms with what is.  They are all part of the healing process.  

However, putting aside for the moment the major calamities that usually take a great deal of time to heal from, in the course of our daily lives we often waste a lot of energy denying and resisting what is already fact.  When we do that, we are basically trying to force situations to be the way we would like them to be, which only makes for more tension.  This actually prevents positive change from occurring.  We may be so busy denying and forcing and struggling that we have little energy left for healing and growing, and what little we have may be dissipated by our lack of awareness and intentionality."

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"We all want to get normal, we all are afraid of side effects of the medicines, and we believe we will never get better even though we get all these nice words from others. "

Of course this does NOT apply to everyone who posts on this forum but I have noticed that many people have posted, asking for advice, "wanting" to beat anxiety but refuse to do anything about it, or do not give it their "all": medication, councelling, change in life style (diet, exercise etc.) etc. are all options to explore but a lot of people do not seem to be willing to make these changes.............how can someone get "better" without giving it 100%?

For example:

If your stomach is rumbling, which is causing you anxiety, and you are only eating one  hamburger a day - eat more!  If you are too anxious to eat, then medication may be needed for awhile.  NOT doing anything about it will NOT change the situation - you need to be proactive.

Anti-anxiety medications do have side effects.  However, these vary from person-to-person, can be very mild, those that are moderate often subside over time (usually a few weeks at the most), and the benefits often outway the "risks" (side effects).  If someone struggles w/ anxiety but refuses to take medication for fear of side-effects, then they are not pursuing all avenues to beat this condition - if all other options have failed, then medication SHOULD be given a fair chance.  Also, these pills are NOT a magic answer - you will not take one pill and have all your symptoms disappear.  It takes a few weeks for them to kick in and several months after that to rebalance the chemicals in your brain that are causing the condition.  In my opinion, those people that take pills for a few days and feel nothing is happening and decide to stop taking it (I have seen this many times on this forum) are GIVING UP - they are not giving the medication enough time to take effect.
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154765 tn?1237247944
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It is easy said than done....... When people don't have anxiety disorder like we do they think it's so easy..........The way you are talking you act like it's so easy.....Well it's not.....You think you can come on this board and tell everyone just go see doctors and get occured..........Well you know what it isn't easy for us......... It is so hard for us suffering with this anxiety.........  Maybe it was easy for you but not for me.....
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