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Iodine

by laura1967, Feb 08, 2009 12:47PM
Okay here we go....to Iodine or not to Iodine....lol!  Seriously though......lets discuss Iodine in its glory:
What type is best: potassium iodine only
Where can you find it? This can be a tough one.....
How to test for deficiency... scratch skin test and or hair analysis is best
What are the many many health benefits of Iodine? MANY!
There are soooo many benefits to Iodine.....did you know that if you take Lugols at the first sign of infection it can help to destroy viruses, bacteria, etc.?  How about at the first signs of food poisoning to neutralize toxins?
Lets roll on this one with everyone joining in.

Member Comments (122)

by margypops, Feb 08, 2009 01:56PM
To: laura
I am really want to know more about iodine,as I am taking it along with Adrenal Support Capsules, and I have to tell you I have felt pretty good for several weeks, I put it down to the Adrenal Capsules but it could be the iodine, I have googled about iodine and realise we dont get enough of it in out diets now, Salt used to have a lot, guess it still does,but they have cut it out in other foods. So Hey I am open to feeling even better....

by PlateletGal, Feb 08, 2009 08:42PM
Some excerpts from "Beating Lyme Disease" by David A. Jernigan, Ph.D. :

"According to a study by the CDC the number of Americans with low iodine has quadrupled in the last 25 years". * (source below)

"Dr. Bernard Jenson, D.C., Ph.D., found that the iodized table salt, which is superheated so that it can pour more easily, is a poor form of iodine for the body."

* Iodine Nutrition in the United States. Trends and Public Health Implications: Iodine Excretion Data from National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys I and III --- The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism

by stella5349, Feb 09, 2009 05:30AM
I am looking to read some resource information on a few things with iodine.

1 Is iodine needed for people with No thyroids?

2 Best supplementation of iodine to take?

3 Proper administration of iodine

4 Symptoms of low iodine

5 What iodine will restore in the body if taken and how to know if you are managing appropriately with it.

by margypops, Feb 09, 2009 08:49AM
Yes please that the information I need ,

by PlateletGal, Feb 09, 2009 10:32AM
This is the test/treatment listed on Dr. Jernigan's website that I did and it actually WORKED ! I have soft hair now too ! ; ^ )  

********Remember that stopping thyroid medicine all together only applies to those who are hypothyroid due to iodine deficiency and only under drs orders. Talk to your physician before trying ANY iodine supplementation.*************

This simple test is almost too simple, it cost next to nothing and will help you to know when your body is in need of Iodine.


Instructions:


Get a 1 ounce bottle of tincture of 2% Iodine.

Paint a spot using the tincture about the size of a silver dollar. Paint the spot in an inconspicuous place such as your belly, thigh, or the inside of the arm. Be sure it is dry before putting on clothes to prevent staining the clothing. Do this when you know you will not be taking a shower or bath, since it may wash off.

If you body level of Iodine is normal, then the spot will remain on the skin for 24 hours.

If the spot disappears in less than 24 hours, this means your body needed Iodine and took it in. (I find it awesome that our body will take in what it needs and leave on the skin what it doesn't need!) This works transdermally much like the now popular Nicoderm and Estrogen Patches, by soaking into the blood stream via the skin.

*** Important...if you are presently on thyroid medicine you may need to cut back on your dose, or ultimately stop it all together, now that your body has the iodine to manufacture the thyroid hormones it needs.


Keep applying the Tincture of Iodine every 24 hours, at different places on your body, until the spot stays there for the full 24 hours.


http://abc.eznettools.net/jernigannutraceuticals/inexpensive_treatments.html

by laura1967, Feb 09, 2009 06:34PM
Thank you Platelet Gal !!!

by PlateletGal, Feb 10, 2009 10:37AM
To: laura1967

You're welcome ! I was a little skeptical at first, but it worked. The first time I did the test, the iodine disappeared within 2 hours. This continued for at least 2 more weeks. Last week I did the test again and it took over 12 hours before the iodine disappeared.

PlateletGal (still has soft hair and is no longer spending big money for expensive conditions that don't work ! ; ^ )   )

by margypops, Feb 10, 2009 11:31AM
Wow thank you I will get some to try I have been taking the kelp drop with iodine in it, definatly do the test.

by laura1967, Feb 10, 2009 11:49AM
To: margypops
don't just buy any kind of iodine tincture....make sure it is potassium iodine form only!

Platelet Gal- Where did you find yours? I told Stella how hard it is to find the right kind and she found it to be true....unless of course you buy online.

I recommend Lugol's Iodine....it is a trusted brand and my doctor friend uses it himself.
He suggested doing a small scratch test first to make sure no sensitivities are there.

by PlateletGal, Feb 10, 2009 01:48PM
To: laura1967
oops --- I wrote conditions... of course I meant to write, "conditioners" in my previous post.

Laura -- I purchased my iodine online. I think I purchased it through Walgreens.

by 4helen, Feb 11, 2009 08:41AM
Great thread Laura.

PlateletGal --Thx so much for your info; am dead keen to crack this iodine gig that am sure makes me thryoid right lazy!  

Soooo----is doing this kind of iodine supplementation in place of taking kelp supplements, or is there no harm in taking kelp too?  I have heard that there are quality issues with kelp---and is this a 'potassium' type Laura is saying is best?  Am thinking there could be toxicity with too much iodine in the system?  --  thoughts?  Does anyone know which foods eaten can boost iodine as well?

Margypops ---where did you get Adrenal Support capsules, and what are they composed of?   : )

by laura1967, Feb 11, 2009 08:52AM
To: 4helen
You don't want to consume too much as you stated. I would first start with a skin test to see how deficient you are. You can Lugol's right on line. I would imagine as almost everything there could be a toxic level....also do you have Hashi's? If so you will want to tread carefully with the use of kelp or iodine.
For the adrenals....i like adaptogens  (will increase when needed and decrease when needed)  

by laura1967, Feb 11, 2009 11:59AM
To: All
Here is an interesting link which gives history on Lugol Iodine....who invented it per say...mixture...and benefits!

http://www.naturodoc.com/mm5/merchant.mvc

by 4helen, Feb 11, 2009 01:28PM
To: laura1967
Thx for the link!!  Reading the intro put in my mind immediately the reason the Greek meaning of the word thryroid is----shield!!  Wow! Yes you are wise to mention testing--- I must do so for iodine deficiency, as have been throwing back (unsafely am sure!) hand fulls of kelp tablets! I too have been wondering about Hashi and really must rule this out for reason of continued hypo. Hoping I can get Lugol here.   Thx again.  Am so happy this board here, as have restlessly wanted to move my search for health re-balance ideas into a slightly more holistic arena.  Are adaptogens PX?  : )  

by stella5349, Feb 12, 2009 05:06AM
Ok I found Lugol's OTC - but not at a drug store.  I found it at an Aquatics (Pet fish) store. $19 bucks- one ounce bottle

It took two weeks but I was determine to find it - IT had to be sold somewhere. If you read about "water" you will find so much stuff on the toxins.

Can you imagine - we are keeping fish healthly in tanks while us humans are suffering with depletion.

Hey Platelet - Did you use sodium iodine tincture - or potassium iodine for your test? I find oodles of sodium iodine at the drug stores but not potassium.

Also the Lugol's I found is 5% and not 2% -  what's that about?  Another thought....

How often can you do a patch test? Is the iodine you are applying starting to balance out the deficiency and after you get to it stay on for 24 hrs - that is your clue that you have put enough in?

by laura1967, Feb 12, 2009 08:01AM
To: stella
Lugol's is 5%....read the link up above that i posted for the history and info on Lugol's. Very interesting. It will give testing info too.

by deepdiver, Feb 12, 2009 08:09AM
To: laura1967
A sluggish thyroid

Common problem, commonly overlooked

Are you tired, constipated, mildly depressed, struggling to lose weight, with dry skin? You may suffer from hypothyroidism — an underactive thyroid.

Problem: the above symptoms may have other causes. Another problem: rigid blood test interpretation can lead to a missed diagnosis of hypothyroidism.

Your thyroid gland
Your thyroid is a butterfly-shaped gland at the base of your neck. It regulates your body’s energy production.
Your thyroid gland produces thyroid hormone (no surprise there). “T4” is the storage form. T4 is converted to “T3” in the thyroid, liver, brain and other tissues. T3 is the active form, 200 times stronger than T4.

The importance of TSH
TSH, made by the pituitary gland in the brain, stands for thyroid stimulating hormone. If your thyroid is sluggish, your pituitary produces more TSH, a kind of kick in the pants for the thyroid. The TSH blood test is the most useful test for thyroid function.

What causes a sluggish thyroid?
A common cause is autoimmune. Your immune system thinks your thyroid belongs to someone else and starts attacking it. This is called Hashimoto’s thyroiditis.
Other causes? Stress can suppress your thyroid. Sometimes large amounts of soy products, peanuts or raw cruciferous vegetables (broccoli, cabbage, brussels sprouts) may slow down the thyroid, although this is controversial.

Why is the diagnosis missed?
There is disagreement over what TSH level signifies disease. Some doctors believe your thyroid is OK, regardless of symptoms, if your TSH is below 5.0. Many specialists regard 3.0 and below as normal. They will sometimes treat patients until it’s below 1.0, if necessary.

Treatment options
Most specialists, including some holistic-minded doctors, use synthetic T4. Response is slow so your doctor will wait 6 - 8 weeks before checking your TSH again.
Nutritional support can help. Selenium (200 micrograms a day) and adequate Vitamin D levels are important. Iodine is often used. Stress reduction, as with most health problems, is essential. Nutritional support and stress reduction are all some  need.

What about T3?
Some folks feel better with a small dose of T3. T3 alone or with antidepressants may help in depression. And some respond best to Armour Thyroid, which has both T4 and T3 (from ground up pig thyroids).
The use of T3 is controversial because most studies show little benefit. The studies, however, are inconclusive. I find T3 has a useful role in some patients.
A small number of people have trouble converting T4 to T3. A low free T3 blood value in someone with suspicious symptoms may respond to treatment.

Know and understand the meaning of your TSH level. Is it between 5.0 and 3.0? Do you also have symptoms? Then treatment may help. See a thyroid specialist. They take a broader, less dogmatic approach.


by PlateletGal, Feb 12, 2009 11:09AM
To: stella5349
Hi Stella,

I used the sodium iodine for my stain test. After that, I purchased the liquid potassium iodide (yes iodide... not iodine). You can find it online and it is very inexpensive. You can also take it sublingually and while using the skin stain test. (according to Jernigan --- pg. 463 in Beating Lyme Disease)

by PlateletGal, Feb 12, 2009 11:18AM
For people who have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or fibromyalgia. This is the preferred test to diagnose thyroid problems (except physicians seem to not know much about this test and/or reluctant to order it). Also, this is how Dr. Holtorf treats thyroid problems in his CFS and fibro patients:


T3 REVERSE -- "The mix of treatments needed varies from patient to patient. There are some abnormalities that are common. For instance, close to 100% of individuals with these syndromes have low thyroid. This is, however, usually not picked up on the standard blood tests because the TSH is not elevated in these individuals due to pituitary dysfunction. Many of these individuals will also have high levels of the anti-thyroid reverse T3, which is usually not measured on standard blood tests. In addition, the majority of individuals can also have a thyroid receptor resistance that is not detected on the blood tests. Consequently, thyroid treatment, especially with timed release T3, is effective for many patients. T4 preparations (inactive thyroid) such as Synthroid and Levoxyl do not work well for these conditions."

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

by laura1967, Feb 13, 2009 08:50AM
To: 4helen
The adrenal adaptogens are usually an adrenal formula mostly of herbs etc. A good healthfood store should have it. It might say support on the bottle as well. The most important thing is that it supports the adrenals if your cortisol levels are high or low. I will give an example of ingredients to you a little later when I have more time. :)


To everyone else:  I wonder how to tread carefully with Iodine when a hashi patient? Anyone found any info pertaining to hashimoto's and iodine treatment?

by PlateletGal, Feb 13, 2009 12:35PM
To: laura1967
I just returned from the Adrenal forum and saw this post. This woman has Hashimoto's and started feeling better after taking iodine (sublingually) :

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/show/750439

by margypops, Feb 15, 2009 05:03PM
To: laura
I got the kelp iodine today but I will look for lugols' iodine , as you reccomend,I feel so much better nowadays, taking these supplements , It was the thyroid forum , suggested to try Adrenal Support first before the Thyroid support which I have done with Vit C  sellenium and Iodine , have to tell you I feel pretty good..

by stella5349, Feb 16, 2009 03:44AM
To: margy
What is the dosage of Kelp a day ?

by laura1967, Feb 16, 2009 08:42AM
To: ALL
Margy-did you get the kelp iodine in liquid form or capsule?

Here is a link to a different kind of iodine that is supposedly better than all other types:

http://www.thyroidnascentiodine.com/index.htm

This is suppose to be the most readily to absorb....everyone take a read please and let me know what you think.

by laura1967, Feb 16, 2009 12:00PM
To: stella5349
I am still reading A LOT of controversy (written by naturopaths and MDs) on people with Graves and Hashi's not being able to handle taking iodine. There are a lot of people with autoimmune, that when they try to take the Iodine, it induces a autoimmune response.
Hmmmm....My hair analysis showed me within normal limits for Iodine. So taking it regularly would scare me. I am still in the die off mode of my thyroid as well with up and down flairs and I think that would make a diff as well.
Stella- If you are out there....how are you doing? You had a response to the iodine. BUT you aren't suppose to do it again within 24 hrs, or it could have caused an autoimmune response with your graves. Give us your thoughts!

by stella5349, Feb 18, 2009 04:47AM
I am still on the fence with it to - but still reading and learning more and more.

I am finding that patch application seems good - not oral consumption - but it may be the detox going on more that anything.

by laura1967, Feb 18, 2009 08:00AM
To: stella5349
I was reading that it can cause quite a die off from pathogens.....sooooo you might have killed off some buggers too! lol
Or it stimulated an autoimmune reaction......ROLL the dice baby! LOL

by PlateletGal, Feb 18, 2009 10:33AM
To: laura1967

I don't take iodine daily. What I do is test myself at least once every two weeks by doing Jernigan's iodine stain test. If I'm low on iodine, then I will take the liquid potassium iodide. (sublingually).

by laura1967, Feb 18, 2009 06:04PM
PlateletGal.....ahhhhh got it. Ever have any die off from it?

My chinese medicine practitioner informed me today to not take any iodine....not even supplements with it. She said not good when in die off mode from Hashimotos and antibodies are already over active. Iodine will cause even more of a reaction in me. Although my body is highly reactive so it does make sense. Now I cannot even take my supplements which I have a lot of $ invested in! :(
I have been treated 3 times now by her for sensitivity to my Armour thyroid medicine....jeepers creepers! lol

by laura1967, Feb 19, 2009 08:12AM
To: stella5349
Start with spreading 1 drop on your skin.....i would only start once per week and see what happens. Plateletgal only takes her iodine orally if her skin test shows she really needs it. She does skin test every couple of weeks i think.
Through the skin, your body will only take what it needs. I think i would start there since you reacted so strongly.

by stella5349, Feb 20, 2009 05:45AM
Scratch the Kent's

by 4helen, Feb 23, 2009 03:44AM
Am back from a holi forgetting all!..........thyroid came too which is never a total holiday when it's cranky, but did my best to lull it into that frozen state of bliss.......sadly the pile of laundry now spied woke it faster than a prince's kiss!.........

thx Laura for the link-----liked the depth of info on thyroid and iodine page.

Tried the skin test---not sure using the 'right' kind --only could find a 'tincture' with iodine BP 2.5%, potassium iodide BP 2.5% ???? but it absorbed quickly.  Plateletgal---is this the correct stuff? How many drops sublingually?

My chinese herbalist has me on herbs with sargassum, oyster shell, and arca shell which I think are like a kelp? Worried could overdose, but feeling inclined to keep on the trail as gut thinks this is right direction for me, tho awaiting Hashi test result for full greenlight.

oh Laura---could I trouble you for some of the sample ingredients of the adrenal support? thx  : )

by PlateletGal, Feb 23, 2009 11:46AM
To: 4helen

Hi ! For the skin test, I used 2% U.S.P. iodine tincture. The iodine that I take sublingually is liquid potassium iodide (by RLD Organic)... drops daily in a glass of water.

by 4helen, Feb 24, 2009 03:57AM
To: plateletgal
Thx!  The tincture I bought seems to have both in it already.  How many drops?

by Heath574, Mar 01, 2009 01:46PM
I have nodules and will have a FNA Thursday, but my alkaline phosphatase are 29.  Range is 33-115.  My dr. didnt even mention it to me.  I found out when I requested a copy of my blood work.  I recently bought Iodine salt and make sure I have two tablespoons a day, about.  What do you think of my number?  Appreciate any response

by laura1967, Mar 01, 2009 02:19PM
Hi there.....Are you taking iodized sea salt or regular table salt?

by Heath574, Mar 01, 2009 02:38PM
Its table salt called Red Cross Iodized salt.  Sea Salt?

by Heath574, Mar 01, 2009 02:42PM
Laura, I figured the iodized salt witht the big red lable that said RED CROSS IODIZED would be healthier LOL  I'm sure they're all the same.  Do you think there's a better option?

by 4helen, Mar 02, 2009 02:52AM
To: Heath574
Hey--you came on over!! Welcome.

http://www.regenerativenutrition.com//shopsplash/index.asp?prev=/shop/product.asp&query=numCurrencyID=1&P_ID=379

This is for Celtic Organic Sea Salt someone here kindly recommended---a better version than regular salt. I also take kelp tablets every now and then, but am concerned about purity issues rumoured with these.  Sushi nori and wakame (if you like sushi-dried sea vegtables) are dietary ways to get in some iodine too.

Look closely at Plateletgal's recommendations as the 'iodine on the skin' approach which she kindly highlights seems to insure that your body only takes what it needs---a kool idea!  : )

by Heath574, Mar 02, 2009 03:29PM
Thanks Helen.  I started taking the Iodized table salt a few days ago and it does feel like
the swollen lymph nodes that have been in my neck for months now are going down.  That's really the only new change that I've made.  I will look into the organic sea salt.  I'm excited about the change in the nodes and will write soon.  

by stella5349, Mar 05, 2009 05:10AM
Celtic sea salt will bring down a bout of thyroiditis I found when deficient in magnesium combining both salts and that took the swelling down.

OK - friends - 2 weeks on Ioderal 12.5 2 x's a day and doing extremely well.

I spoke to Laura last night and told her the thing that most happened.

CLEAR - SHARP thinking - I thought my swtiching thyroid meds was good - well......... this is unbelievable.

The nodule I was sooooo wooried about is shrinking too. lost 2 mm of it.

I hope Kim surfs over on this thread - I wanted to bring it back on top. She is looking for it.

by laura1967, Mar 05, 2009 08:23AM
I am sooooo jealous Stella!! lol   I want to try but am scared because of the hashi's and i was told to stay away from all extra iodine.

How do you stomach swallowing the sea salt and water???????????????????



OHHHHHH KKKKKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!  lol

by 4helen, Mar 09, 2009 02:46AM
To: stella5349
OMG!!!!  Stella-----YOU give me such hope!  The first time in the 4 months since being on this board (time NOT always easy for this newbie!) that someone has actually had positive experience with, and in fact even DARED to use the S word!!  2mm........wow! That's so great.

Have the two ends of the candle burning myself...autoimmune and nodule....so the dice roll is fully loaded, but your example is more than inspiring!

Thx for sharing and although I've ceiling plaster mess to clear from the jump I lauched from my desk when I read your good news..lol....worth the effort every time;

happy dance in your honour!!!!!   : )

by elcyd, Mar 09, 2009 10:40AM
HI Everybody,

I have suffered from a goitre and sub clinical hypothyroidism for the last 17 years with  all the classic symptoms.  I was given radioactive iodine and an xray to show cold and hot spots and then given 125mcg of levithyroxine for, they said, the rest of my life.  I realised that the T4 was not really making a difference to my condition, my goitre did not reduce and my hypo symptoms increased gradually through the years.  By 2004  a year after the birth of my little girl, I detoxed and stopped taking my T4.  My blood results stayed within range although my hypo symptoms remained.   Last year, I changed a few items in my diet thinking that it would be good for me, ie adding soya product.  Actually I was not thinking as I had read that soya was not good for fibroids, which I suffer from which I believe are part of the hypo symptoms list, and my goitre mushroomed and a nodule of 3cms appeared.  Soya is not good for someone who grows lumps ie fibroids, goitre nodules, lumpy breasts.  After seeing my GP in Jan and having a scan I am now waiting for an endo appointment which is at the end of Apr.  Looking at all the information of what to expect as a treatment for my nodule, I decided to take things into my own hands.  I discovered through the medscape website that there is now an iodine treatment for dysfunctional thyroids and discovered several sites which give you really clear information about iodine and how it can CURE a dysfunctional thyroid.  These sites are iodine4health, Iodine which is in the health section of Yahoo forum and naturalthyroidchoices.  

I am into the second month of taking 50mg of Ioderal with supplements daily and it has been the best thing I have ever done for my health.  I AM STARTING TO RECOVER!  My goitre is still a little swollen as it is being bombarded by iodine but it has reduced for the first time in 17 years.  I have that little indent at the bottom of my neck back.  My nodule has also reduced greatly.  My energy is back and my brain fog has lifted. Iodine detoxes all the bad halides (bromine, chlorine, flourine) in your thyroid and makes space for iodine again so your thyroid can function properly again.  The treatment is called the Iodine Protocol and is usually for 3 months but it really all depends on your condition.  

After reading all the literature regarding Iodine, it all made real sense to me that I was iodine deficient and that my initial goitre 17 years ago and my lumpy breasts were signs of this.  I am N American but grew up in a country in the Mediterranean which still uses the seaweed washed up each winter as fertilizer  in their fields.  As a young adult I moved to England and there all my troubles started.  I now live in France which is another iodine deficient country which has no testing for iodine deficiency so I have had to self medicate but I really do suggest that you find a doctor on the lists that the sites provide and do it, even those with Hashi's.  Please be careful of the iodine that you buy as some of it is not good for you as it has other things in it.  Luguols 5% or Ioderal is what is recommended.  Do not use salt which is fine and processed as it is not good for you, use salt that is called Celtic Salt or Sel de Guerande which is natural and full of goodness.

It does make my blood boil that I have spent so much of my life feeling like a slug to realise that such a simple essential mineral is what I needed to stop 2 operations - one to remove my fibroids and the other to remove a benign lump from my breast, numerous miscarriages and just a lack of the feeling of being healthy.  100 years ago, iodine was the solution for goitres and dysfunctional thyroids but the propaganda machines of those all powerful pharmaceutical companies have since given cheap to buy iodine a bad name so as they push their little white pills and get richer while they see a world getting sicker!

I am sorry, I will stop the ranting!;))  Oh, I forgot, I discovered I was also Vit D3 deficient too and I now take 3000iu daily.  Vit D3 also makes alot of difference to your energy levels and thought process.  

PS There is also a Facebook group site for iodine.  The doctors who pioneered the iodine protocol is called Dr Brownstein (he has a website) and Dr Abraham.

:) Cindy

by laura1967, Mar 09, 2009 01:46PM
To: elcyd
Hi Cindy and welcome!!! Thank you so much for taking the time to write your "rant"! lol We love the rants because they are the real person talking from experience and has a passion for seeing others recover as well. I would love for you to stick around and start or add to some posts here. Maybe you could start a Vit D3 post and give your syptoms (symptoms) you were having from deficiency of this. It is a very important topic because so many are deficient even on the "low normal range" as myself.
Again thank you for the post and hope you post some more! :)

Laura

by 4helen, Mar 10, 2009 04:15AM
To: elcyd
Hi Cindy----Thanks SO MUCH for your post! Super content!  Thanks for the links too; am always thirsty for alternative places!!  Great tip about the Facebook site (always to nice to have a refuge to go to when one is convinced people are fed up with you here at MH!! lol) and the name of Brownstein ----something I have been trying to find out ever since someone told me there was "a doc with an iodine protocol".

Yeah---you are so on page about big pharma!!  Rant away! Disgraceful isn't it? ......I also had moved to England as a young adult....Snap!...a trap of a place indeed.  I dream of life in the alps...ions a plenty!! lol

Keep feeling good.......I'm hurrying as fast as I can to join you!  Like you did/are, am also running from samarai surgeons.....lol....am imagining an industrial-sized vat of Iodural spilled on their path to the OR....brilliantly easy.  Messy clean up for the rubber clogs though!

PLEASE feel free to copy your FANTASTIC posting over to the Thyroid Board;...it's one of the BEST ever!  

Reading it this morning cheered me to no end; surfing here is like gold mining----a lot of sifting and some genuine bad days with no hope of finding a mention of a magic lotion or potion outside Big Pharma's Offering, or even (worse!) witnessing or experiencing no answers, by people you know could bother to help, to very simple questions; thanks for the precious nugget!!  

Your spirit   'to take things into your own hands'   reiterates probably THE fundamental ingredient to successful healing, oft forgotten.

Best of luck with the Endo appt end of April.      : )  Helen

by stella5349, Mar 10, 2009 04:53AM
Posting this information on her personal experience here on Complementary Medicine is so valuable.

However , I think the discussions about iodine should be kept here and not moved over to thyroid.

I to have seem great changes bringing iodine into my protacol and have a doctor very intune with the Iodine therpy and loading tests - but really in the realm of things - Iodine treatment is now more Intergrative Medicine and belongs here.

Laura - can you add here on how I am meaning to say what I am trying to say?

I have viewed over both sites that are mentioned and and also a faily new site called the iodineproject.  

As I discussed with my doctor last week. Iodine is not being used in it's effectiveness at this time. It is understood more now on the modern ways of medicine to treat without it -
Yet  - we as patients are not told about iodine unless we dig into it on our own and compare our illness to some of the information available. I too, dug on my own about it and I had to be the one to approach my doctor. Then ( because I learned about it ) - then - I was given the time of day to find out more by a doctor. It's just not spoken about in the medical communites.

I am dealing with my last appointment as a new beginning - but I am horribly troubled about the reality I was told by this doctor that I probably never needed my thyroid ablated out if iodine therapy would have been used. All the money in 7 yrs I spent to get well - could have been avoided and to how I am understanding it.

It was like going over the whole nightmare all over again. I am taking a total of 25 in Ioderol and after my visit with my doctor Thursday I am told to up that to 50 . I will start that today after blood work.

by elcyd, Mar 10, 2009 04:58AM
To: laura 1967
Hi Laura

Thank you for your warm welcome.  I will definitely stick around.  Reading some of the posts on the Thyroid Forum makes you realise how everybody needs to share their experiences and information so as people can make informed choices in regard to their wellbeing.  I will get on to the VitD3 section and contribute.  BTW my levels for D3 were 19!  I will be going back to have another blood test at the end of this month to see if it has picked up. I think the D3 and Iodine have really helped my immune system since Jan as I usually have a horrible bout of Sinusitis in Feb where I am put on antibiotics and this year I have had nothing.  My husband is currently on antibiotics for sinusitis and my little girl has the flu.  I have been giving them D3; my husband and my daughter take 800iu daily but I do not think it is enough.  The RDA is sooo low !

:)Cindy

by 4helen, Mar 10, 2009 08:17AM
Just when we thought we had enough to read -

http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html--------------informative, and contained in----

http://donaldmiller.com/

.............Dr. Miller is a Cardiologist---makes a nice change from Endos!!  : )

by laura1967, Mar 10, 2009 06:03PM
Cindy- yes the RDA level is way too low for Vit D.....I live in florida and my level is only a 38, so I am going to start supplementing.
STella or Cindy:
Iodine question: How much can you take for how long before it affects the dosage level of our thyroid meds???

by elcyd, Mar 11, 2009 05:59AM
To: laura 1967
Hi Laura,

Iodine question:  I don't know how long it takes before it affects your thyroid meds.  What I have read is that your doc will ask you back for blood work after one month and then will assess your dosage.  I detoxed off of my T4 so am only taking iodine.  I think Stella is more knowledgeable in regard to thyroid meds. Will you take the Vit supplements  recommended with the iodine?  I found they really helped because you can have detox effect with iodine and the vits help to sooth.

PS I have also read that Iodine can affect your TSH and make it go higher but it is because the pituitary is getting the wrong signals from the thyroid and it creates more TSH to stimulate the thyroid.  It is suppose to go back to normal levels after a while once the iodine has done its work and/or your body gets used to it.
:)

by margypops, Mar 11, 2009 05:07PM
To: laura&all
I am still trying to get that iodine Lugal, my local health store doesnt have it only the liquid kep drops I have been having about 4drops a day, I have still to go to the site you put on your post in Feb I will do it now.

by margypops, Mar 11, 2009 05:09PM
kelpdrops( sticking keyboard)

by margypops, Mar 11, 2009 05:19PM
Went to the site finally laura tell me is iodine taken for over active thyroid AND under active thyroid ?Sorry for the ignorance on the subject

by stella5349, Mar 12, 2009 05:09AM
My doctor stated the iodine around 50 requires a test on thyroid levels after about 2 weeks of supplementing.

Not sure how the test will swing though.

Iodine given to thyroid patients that do not have a gland anylonger due to RAI or TT will require more tweeking with meds than someone who is looking to optimize the normal thyroid function.

Of course then - we have to take into account the autoimmune levels too adding iodine

by elcyd, Mar 12, 2009 05:29AM
To: margypops
Hope you don't mind me sticking my nose in but I have found a really good site which sells Lugols for good prices and it explains dosage too.  You need to take Lugol's 5% or 7% otherwise you will be using up your 3% quite quickly.  The site sells 7% at USD3.95 for 1 fl oz or USD11.95 for 8 fl oz it is altcancer.com.

The other form of iodine which I am taking is Opitimox Iodoral tablets which are discounted presently 30% at illnessisoptional.com.  They cost USD34.95 for 180.  The tablet form tend to not upset the stomach as much.

If you are going on the Iodine Protocol, vit supps are recommended as you do detox on iodine.  They are Vit C 2000mg, Selenium 200mg, magnesium  and Celtic salt.  I actually do not do Celtic Salt but apple cider vinegar.

Hope this helps
:) Cindy

PS iodine protocol is for both hypo and hyper.  Start on small amounts of iodine so your body can get used to it and then slowly build up

by laura1967, Mar 12, 2009 08:34AM
To: margypops
Most importantly I would think is for you to do a skin test first to see how deficient you are.  Don't ever feel bad about asking questions....there is no such thing as ignorance here. :) :) That is how we learn. We are all learning here. Make sure you go slow with the Iodine and don't take too much too quickly.

Cindy- thanks you for the added information!  Stella is taking the Iodoral as well and is having great success.

Stella- please if you dont mind, try to keep us updated on how you are doing and feeling as you begin this venture. :)  
I myself am not doing any iodine because i am still in high antibody mode and die off and easily aggrivated. My dr told me to not take any form of iodine yet. I will be having updated antibody testing in April to see where I stand.

Happy Thursday everyone!!

by margypops, Mar 12, 2009 09:37AM
Thank you everyone as usual lots of welcome information, dont know how iImanaged before I found you all and Brian ,you have helped me enormously.

by sick and tired 47, Mar 14, 2009 08:08PM
To: all
Wow, this is SO gret to find this site. I just came from alternative medicine MD  and he has recommended iodine to me. He is the third party to suggest it.. two doctors and one nutritionist.;... but I have been so scared. My endo says NO way... she says it will make me hyper ( I am subclinical hypo, normal TSH, very low, below normal Free T4, T3.)
  I have 1/2 thyroid left with multinodular goiter... MD says this will shrink it..
He has suggested Ioderal which I bought at health store... but I want to start slowly. I read somewhere to start with 1/2 capsule every 3rd or 4th day for two weeks and then slowly increase. Anyone have any info on this?
He also thinks I maybe able to eventually go off my synthyroid and will feel SO much better. I am praying ... cause I still have have a lot of hypo symptoms and endo will not give me any more synthyroid ( am in "normal" range).
Thank you all for giving me the courage to go forward... please post all positives and negatives so we can see where this goes. there is a great site...I can not locate it right now but has DOZENS of case/research studies for iodine.
  I have also read it helps heart issues ( I now SVT- runs of tachycardia) for unknown reasons since my "thyroid issues" evolved.  
Thanks again. You are all GREAT!!! Keep the info coming!!!
    

by laura1967, Mar 15, 2009 03:36PM
To: sick and tired 47
Hi so glad you joined us here! My suggestion would be to follow drs advice of starting slow as advised. That way you won't fear going hyper.
Yes pleases share when you have info of research for iodine!
Keep us updated in how you are doing.
Stella has started the Iodoral as well.   Yeah!!!!  :)

by sick and tired 47, Mar 15, 2009 09:42PM
To: all
Hi! Love this site... Here is a site with lots of info.

iodine4health.com

Has LOTS  of case studies related to iodine from heart, thyroid,GI system,ect.
I am going to start Iodoral next week .starting some other supplements this week....  not to much at one time!!
Please all keep us posted on your experiences with this...Good luck to all!!!

by stella5349, Mar 17, 2009 04:07AM
To: sick and tired
You will probably have to change your screen name soon!!!   ( LOL )

I started on 12.5 for about 4 days and didn't notice any change - upped to 25 then went directly to 50. At 50 there is a difference.

Your endo doesn't understand iodine if he fears you into believing you will be hyper. If anything most feel a sense of calmness coming on immediately b/c things are becoming stable again. Many people respond on iodine when they were hyperthyroid.

No one can give you a direct doseage to start on - Most don't feel anything on the 12.5 starting dosage either.

Make sure you follow the regamin of minerals and vits suggested above.  If you detox fast then those supplements will help.




by sick and tired 47, Mar 22, 2009 07:13PM
Stella,
How is the iodine coming along? I am so eager to start... and so nervous too!!!

This is a silly question... how will I know when to decrease my thyroid meds??? My endo would not approve so she will not retest my levels?? Will I start feeling hyper??? I am worried because I am hypo, but have some hyper symptoms such as tachycardia, tremors... ( negative antibodies).  In iodine research it has shown case studies where it improved stubborn heart  arrythmias... hooray... it may help my heart too!!
I had an iodine loading test, it showed me to be deficient...only excreted 80% when you should excrete 90% or more to not add iodine supplements.
So all I need is some COURAGE !!!!

Laura, I understand your hesitantcy... I am a BIG chicken to start anything new... very sensitive to  some things!!!




by elcyd, Mar 24, 2009 08:06AM
Hi Folks,

Just wanted to post my progress on the Iodine Protocol.  I am taking Iodoral and built my way up to 50mg slowly within the first month.  I take Vit C, Selenium, Magnesium, Neem and had been on apple cider vinegar until recently I decided to change to Salt Loading as I wanted to make sure that I was not putting my adrenals under pressure.

  Within the first week from one to two tablets I noticed an increase in energy and clearing of my brain fog.  Second week from two to three tablets I noticed that if I was at all stressed out I would become a little hyper.  This symptom disappeared in week three/four.  My first period with Iodoral was very heavy which is unnatural for me.  I posted this symptom on the Iodine yahoo forum and they suspected that as your ovaries gather alot of the toxic halides, that heavy periods was a detox symptom.  Two other people experienced the same issue with iodine.

By the end of the fourth week I had been taking 50mg of Iodoral for a week and really started to feel the benefit and as I said on the iodine forum, I felt like I was a computer being rebooted and being checked for viruses and the iodine was putting all the hypoT side effects in quarantine!

All has been running smoothly until this last week when I decide to up my dosage to 75mg and within a day I went into proper detox.  . My stomach went into spasms and I started to suffer from a frontal headache, nausea, muscle and joint aches. No matter how much cream I put on my skin, it was dry. I started to get dandruff. Oh and horrible body odour. For six days I had what I can only describe nicely as colic/diarrhoea.

My appendix became sore, followed by my kidneys (lower back pain), spleen and then liver. Strange but I could really feel which organs were painful. My bladder did not suffer at all.

I hardly ate anything but continued with Salt and alternated with warm water and honey. After three days I started to eat rice and then introduced chicken and then poached eggs. I have lost 1/2 stone in weight.

During this last week I stopped taking my iodine and supplements as my stomach could not cope with them and I doubt they would not have stayed in my stomach long enough to have any effect.

Today, I am feeling much better so I will start back at my Protocol. After a week of hell I would have expected to look pretty horrible but my skin has started to look great and my energy levels are back so things have turned around very quickly.

I am really happy that I detoxed as it means that I have managed to purge some of the awful halide toxins in my body which is one of the points of taking iodine.  My goiter is doing fine.  It has reduced in size nicely although not totally as yet as I think this will not happen until I reduce my iodine to one tablet a day.  My hair has become thick again.  Hello hair where have you been?!!:)  I can sleep again :) We will have to wait to see if my nodule has disappeared until the end of April when I see the endo.

Cindy
(17 years sub clinical hypoT with goiter and nodule, fibrocystic breasts, fibroids, miscarriages, migraines, carpel tunnel syndrome, brittle hair, hair loss, tired, sleepless and all the rest. Detoxed from T4 2004)

by sick and tired 47, Mar 24, 2009 09:32PM
To: elycd

Thanks for the update... its  inspiration to try iodine protocol.  Keep us posted on any other news that would help us all!!t
Thanks again.

by stella5349, Mar 25, 2009 05:42AM
I find the iodine is still doing well for me. One thing I noticed - I am alot more mucas- ey inside. I am always thick with mucas and trying to get it out.

Not sure what to think. I am feeling a bit of elycd's symptoms of back pain - not sure. The body order and loose stools I had too.

by Paxiled, Mar 26, 2009 02:01PM
Just want to add, be careful with iodine.  Anyone with risk of hyperthyroid must avoid iodine.  And to the person who had thyroid removed, when they put you on synthetic thyroid hormones, you should avoid iodine, for the same reason.  It isn't something that should be taken in high doses for a prolonged period of time.  I also don't think potassium iodide would be my choice for long term use if only a small amount is needed, as is usually the case.  Would go with kelp or kombu.  Potassium iodide is nice to have, though, in case of radiation attack -- you'll die of something other than thyroid problems!

by stella5349, Mar 28, 2009 07:33AM
To: Paxiled
I see you concern Thanks - but I read some very controversial information on Hyperthyroid and Iodine and my doctor I have really supports the use of iodine w/ hyperthyroidism.

If you choose not to use potassium iodide as the "choice" what would you chose?

Kelp is not consistant anylonger. It was a good alternative years ago, but just look at what they dump in our waters now? It very absorbant (seaweed) It a collector of pollutants and there are hundred of gallons dumped yearly in our waters. I am more afraid of kelp right now than potassium iodide.

by Paxiled, Mar 29, 2009 01:59AM
You have to know who to buy from.  You definitely want to avoid anything farmed in the Sea of Japan, but there are still clean waters.  A company named Maine Coast, if my memory still serves me well, makes a good kelp if you want to eat it, and a good kombu as well.  As for pills, well, the upside is, good companies test for content and list it on the label; the downside is, you have to be careful where the kelp comes from.  But there are other seaweeds, too, like bladderwrack, kombu, wakame, and such, that are eaten as foods daily by the Japanese, and, if you notice, they live the longest in the world.  And are the healthiest.  So I wouldn't worry quite so much about quality.  I was recommending kelp for natural supplementation.  If you need a lot, then yes, you need to take potassium iodide.  But nobody should take a lot for very long.  As for hyperthyroidism, if you want to take your chances, be my guest.  But iodine speeds up the thyroid's production, which makes it more likely to burn out if one is already overly active.  On the other hand, there is no definitive research on anything in the health field, particularly concerning supplementation -- non enough money for good research on things that can't be patented.  I don't claim to know, just to exercise caution and pursue alternatives to be on the safe side.  And though it is true that seaweed is like a sponge with contaminants, it also does that in the body, and people who eat a lot of seaweed, or I should say enough, get such a proper and natural balance of minerals and nutrients that I believe they get a better deal than avoiding it.  It's like fish, all fish is contaminated, but studies show people who eat fish still do better than those who don't.  Everything we eat is contaminated, as is the air we breathe, the water we drink, and the life we lead.  Our cell phones are contaminants.  So is the computer I'm typing this on.  The best we can do is the best we can do.

by Paxiled, Mar 29, 2009 02:01AM
Oh, I should add, Nature's Life, which makes a good inexpensive kelp, gets it from the waters around Iceland.  Probably not perfectly clean, but as clean as they come in today's world.  Again, the company you buy from is important.

by deepdiver, Mar 29, 2009 11:03AM
To: Paxiled
Taking excessive kelp can overload the body with iodine and cause either hypothyroidism or hyperthyroidism —conditions in which the thyroid gland either produces too little or too much thyroid hormone.  This is a potentially dangerous side effect and is definitely cause for caution. If your thyroid gland is already functioning incorrectly, you should avoid high doses of kelp except on a physician's advice.

Additionally, published reports describe two cases of acne apparently caused or worsened by taking large doses of kelp.  This effect is also believed to be due to the large amounts of iodine in the supplement.

Finally, some kelp supplements have been found to contain levels of arsenic high enough to be toxic.  Seawater contains highly diluted arsenic, but kelp (like other ocean life) can concentrate arsenic in its tissues, and there are reports of two people with symptoms of arsenic poisoning who had been consuming kelp.

by laura1967, Mar 29, 2009 01:27PM
To: deepdiver
I took Kelp for a year before finally going on thyroid meds. My most recent hair analysis showed low levels of Arsinic, in which I could not understand.....I think I now understand.
It also showed mid normal range for Iodine.
Hmmmmmm.
Paxiled- STella already had her thyroid burned out with RAI, so Iodine isn't risky for her like those of us with thyroid still functioning somewhat. With my Hashimoto's in full force, I will not attempt any iodine or kelp.
Postassium Iodine has many uses and benefits with toxins and pathogens as well....just a thought to ponder. :)

by SassyLassie, Mar 29, 2009 01:40PM
To: ALL
I take the Iodine product called "Iodoral" I think it is wonderful. My Naturopath did an Iodine Saturation Urine test on me, it is done over 24 hours, and you take 3 Iodoral at once and start the test. It was discovered that I was very low in Iodine, so, she put me on Iodoral. About a year later, we did another test, and this time, it showed I was almost perfect, however, she told me to still take it but to cut back to 2 instead of 3. Another Naturopath told me to stop it as I did not need it, well, I did, and I noticed that I was and still am getting worse and worse in all my symptoms, especially the fuzzy thinking and forgetfulness. I used to have an outstanding memory, now, I can not even finish a sentence without forgetting what I was saying. So, just last week, she told me to get back on the Iodoral and we will see how it goes. So far, I think I am already feeling better and not quite as fuzzy in my thinking. I tell you, it is an amazing product. Oh yes, and I think it might also already be helping with my weight gain.

So, this is my story on Iodine, I took Kelp for awhile, but, for my symptoms and metabolism, I think the Iodoral is far better.