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Guns Banned?
I cannot imagine how Griz would have dispatched the 2 pigs he slaughtered the other day...with a knife?Much suffering it would bring the poor critter.
Many times we hace had to use different calibers of guns for different things throughout the years.Animals that stalked my little girl and killed my dog and 30 plus chickens.Living where we do we have them for self-protection,(the law takes forever to get here).We have also had to end the suffering of an animal a time or 2,without something what would we do?Hit it in the head with a rock and hope we killed it?
The saying say "Outlaw guns and then only criminals will have guns".Stricter application for permits required safety classes locked cabinets when children are residing there.Wait a Minute! Why weren't her Guns in a locked cabinet?she failed her son greatly and indirectly caused the life of the children to be lost.She is guilty also,she had to have known better.If my child had a problem I would know and seek help.
Many times we hace had to use different calibers of guns for different things throughout the years.Animals that stalked my little girl and killed my dog and 30 plus chickens.Living where we do we have them for self-protection,(the law takes forever to get here).We have also had to end the suffering of an animal a time or 2,without something what would we do?Hit it in the head with a rock and hope we killed it?
The saying say "Outlaw guns and then only criminals will have guns".Stricter application for permits required safety classes locked cabinets when children are residing there.Wait a Minute! Why weren't her Guns in a locked cabinet?she failed her son greatly and indirectly caused the life of the children to be lost.She is guilty also,she had to have known better.If my child had a problem I would know and seek help.
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Isnt it always the ones that abuse the rights that cause others to lose them? There are responsible gun owners and then there are the others, the ones that are responsible for things like the lives of innocent children being taken as a result. We need to stop it.
On one hand you have the owners of these highly powerful weapons that that are responsible altho I still don't understand why they are in any way an accessory to society, and then on the other you have those who have lost loved ones or watched the devastation caused by the irresponsible ones, and feel the need to remove them from society.
The children that were killed and the adults that were killed in less than a 10 minute time frame and riddled with bullet holes, takes priority in my book.
We have no need for military style weapons that were made to kill people in our society. With that said, Im sure it will be a fight because many think they have to weaponize themselves against their own people. Or the government and are in their minds preparing for a civil war. That is what you hear from many of those who own them.
On one hand you have the owners of these highly powerful weapons that that are responsible altho I still don't understand why they are in any way an accessory to society, and then on the other you have those who have lost loved ones or watched the devastation caused by the irresponsible ones, and feel the need to remove them from society.
The children that were killed and the adults that were killed in less than a 10 minute time frame and riddled with bullet holes, takes priority in my book.
We have no need for military style weapons that were made to kill people in our society. With that said, Im sure it will be a fight because many think they have to weaponize themselves against their own people. Or the government and are in their minds preparing for a civil war. That is what you hear from many of those who own them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh4oHK8Dgck&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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If your going to ban assault weapons then why not ban cars too? If I'm not mistaken don't drunk drivers kill and/or maim far more innocent people
( including children ) every year? Isn't there already a " BAN " on driving drunk?
For my 2 cents, in my opinion gun owners like Mrs. Lanza in the CT shooting should of had her guns locked up and had far less access to her guns especially when she was aware her son was a total fruit cake to begin with.
" It wasn't the guns fault "
( including children ) every year? Isn't there already a " BAN " on driving drunk?
For my 2 cents, in my opinion gun owners like Mrs. Lanza in the CT shooting should of had her guns locked up and had far less access to her guns especially when she was aware her son was a total fruit cake to begin with.
" It wasn't the guns fault "
I agree with your post, gene...but at the same time, I'm also okay with an assault weapon ban. Other than collecting/target shooting, what does a citizen need it for? Certainly, creewoman's Griz isn't dispatching the pigs with an AR, right? Hope not anyway! That would certainly be overkill!
I'm a strong supporter of gun rights...but I think assault rifles just aren't necessary in civilian's hands. Any action beyond that as far as gun rights? No. I DO realize that just relenting to a ban on ANY gun is opening up the possibility other rights could be affected. Hopefully, the NRA will hold their ground and not let this balloon into a huge change in gun rights. They need to tread very carefully.
Honestly..I don't think any kind of ban is going to prevent the kind of tragedy we saw on Friday...I think more than anything, this is a need to act, to do something.
I'm a strong supporter of gun rights...but I think assault rifles just aren't necessary in civilian's hands. Any action beyond that as far as gun rights? No. I DO realize that just relenting to a ban on ANY gun is opening up the possibility other rights could be affected. Hopefully, the NRA will hold their ground and not let this balloon into a huge change in gun rights. They need to tread very carefully.
Honestly..I don't think any kind of ban is going to prevent the kind of tragedy we saw on Friday...I think more than anything, this is a need to act, to do something.
I used to think who needs an assault rifle too. Then when I look at things like the L.A. riots & Katrina and I think if I was there and trying to protect my family would I rather try and ask any mob to please leave us alone? or protect ourselves with a 6 round revolver? or have a rifle with the capability to shoot 30 rounds per clip or more and reload clip after clip until any mob would think twice about coming my direction?
What are the chances of ever needing an assault weapon in the case I described? very minimal, but it does happen and it is a very real possibility.
What are the chances of ever needing an assault weapon in the case I described? very minimal, but it does happen and it is a very real possibility.
Oh goodness, cars and assault rifles---- hm. quite an argument. LOL
No one is saying to ban ALL guns but if you need a semi automatic rifle to chase off something after your chickens, I am a little afraid for you. This would mean your farm is hunted by a whole massive pack of something.
You certainly could protect yourself and your livestock with something that shot 10 rounds or less I assume.
No one is saying to ban ALL guns but if you need a semi automatic rifle to chase off something after your chickens, I am a little afraid for you. This would mean your farm is hunted by a whole massive pack of something.
You certainly could protect yourself and your livestock with something that shot 10 rounds or less I assume.
You can get a handgun with a clip of say 15 bullets. Once as the 1st shot is fired the mob scrambles. You don't need to squeeze off 15 rounds to make a point. I am pro-gun but I do wonder why an assault rifle is needed by civilans.
When we are left fending for ourselves and the government collapses then you can come back and say, "I told you so"
When we are left fending for ourselves and the government collapses then you can come back and say, "I told you so"
I understand that thinking too. If a mob came to my door, as crazy as that sounds, it is nice to know there is a way to protect oneself and family.
On the other hand it is unlikely any mobs will be storming our doors, and just standing on your roof holding a gun I think would be a deterrent for most mobs.
Or in the case of "a zombie apocalypse", we are all f***ed anyway, so what's the point?
On the other hand it is unlikely any mobs will be storming our doors, and just standing on your roof holding a gun I think would be a deterrent for most mobs.
Or in the case of "a zombie apocalypse", we are all f***ed anyway, so what's the point?
"if you need a semi automatic rifle to chase off something after your chickens, I am a little afraid for you."
" Certainly, creewoman's Griz isn't dispatching the pigs with an AR, right? Hope not anyway! That would certainly be overkill!"
Funny scenarios, lol.
" Certainly, creewoman's Griz isn't dispatching the pigs with an AR, right? Hope not anyway! That would certainly be overkill!"
Funny scenarios, lol.
rivll, zombie apocalypse----------- you made me REALLY laugh out loud.
Who knew? Take all of the guns away from the lawful and then only the lawless will have guns? Really, who knew? (Besides you and I, perhaps gene)
Why are we talking about taking all of the guns away?
I honestly think the fear is that if they ban certain types of weapons that the gun people are afraid this is the begining of losing them all so they dig in and say no way.
I just can't imagine why else it is so hard to concede that AR's aren't needed for domestic civilian use.
I was reading how much the NRA spends --- whew!
I honestly think the fear is that if they ban certain types of weapons that the gun people are afraid this is the begining of losing them all so they dig in and say no way.
I just can't imagine why else it is so hard to concede that AR's aren't needed for domestic civilian use.
I was reading how much the NRA spends --- whew!
"Take all of the guns away from the lawful and then only the lawless will have guns?"
My daughter who is so far to the left, she makes me like Ghengis Khan said those very words to me last night.
Most people do not want to outlaw guns, they just want more safety regulations (tighter laws for access) and for the automatic assault weapons to be unavailable to the regular Joe on the street. It is not so unreasonable.
My daughter who is so far to the left, she makes me like Ghengis Khan said those very words to me last night.
Most people do not want to outlaw guns, they just want more safety regulations (tighter laws for access) and for the automatic assault weapons to be unavailable to the regular Joe on the street. It is not so unreasonable.
I'm going to agree with you rivll. I'm not sure why people think that it is all or nothing.
Brice, I totally agree, but like I said, I think, more than anything, this is a "need to do SOMETHING" move. Probably a poor reason, but it is what it is. I think even the strictest of anti-gun folks would acknowledge that a ban on assault weapons isn't really going to prevent these types of tragedies.
I think it's a compromise. If it's left at just that, I think it's do-able. If it starts a ball rolling leading to more and more gun control, that's not a good thing.
The NRA is not an easy organization to get this stuff by. Some pubs are calling for their participation. They want everyone to sit down and discuss this. They need to get the input of the NRA, and have them involved to have any kind of effective outcome.
It's difficult, because most of this is based on emotional reactions, which certainly isn't a good way to make big decisions. I wish there was an easy answer...and a way to prevent something horrendous like this from ever happening again. Just can't see that it's possible though!
I think it's a compromise. If it's left at just that, I think it's do-able. If it starts a ball rolling leading to more and more gun control, that's not a good thing.
The NRA is not an easy organization to get this stuff by. Some pubs are calling for their participation. They want everyone to sit down and discuss this. They need to get the input of the NRA, and have them involved to have any kind of effective outcome.
It's difficult, because most of this is based on emotional reactions, which certainly isn't a good way to make big decisions. I wish there was an easy answer...and a way to prevent something horrendous like this from ever happening again. Just can't see that it's possible though!
That's exactly what it is. So my AR that may shoot 10 rounds is banned, but my shotgun that shoots 8 is acceptable? If so, for how long? (Till someone starts shootings with a shotgun, is how long.)
Okay Brice, let me try some examples of what I mean...
Should I who couldn't figure out what pepper spray was and ended up choking for an hour because I fooled around with the wrong lever have a gun?
Should a person with poor impulse control and a tendency towards violence pack a gun?
What I am saying is something you, Glass and Gene have already accomplished.
You are well trained, careful and responsible gun owners.
Many of us are not...and we should not have access to anything that can kill so easily until we have been registered, checked for mental illness or criminal record and passed a test to show our competence in using the weapon.
I have already been over the assault weapons problem, but it is the same idea-if I cannot walk around with tnt in my bag, I should not be able to have a weapon that kills so many, so fast.
We won't agree on that one so lets see if there is any agreement on tighter restrictions?
Are you against that
Should I who couldn't figure out what pepper spray was and ended up choking for an hour because I fooled around with the wrong lever have a gun?
Should a person with poor impulse control and a tendency towards violence pack a gun?
What I am saying is something you, Glass and Gene have already accomplished.
You are well trained, careful and responsible gun owners.
Many of us are not...and we should not have access to anything that can kill so easily until we have been registered, checked for mental illness or criminal record and passed a test to show our competence in using the weapon.
I have already been over the assault weapons problem, but it is the same idea-if I cannot walk around with tnt in my bag, I should not be able to have a weapon that kills so many, so fast.
We won't agree on that one so lets see if there is any agreement on tighter restrictions?
Are you against that
Tighter restrictions? Restrict all you want.... it won't affect the lawless! People who are going to do things like this aren't going to be stopped by restrictions.... The link R Glass posted is a perfect example. The government put up restrictions, banned guns all together and destroyed thousands and thousands of guns. Gun crime consequently went up...
For a criminal with the intent to commit any violent crime are far more likely to attempt that crime on someone who is an easy target. Knowing that the majority of the country is now unarmed (lawful individuals turned in their guns, bad guys didn't) the potential for more "targets of crime" goes up. Less people armed, less risk of getting killed while committing crimes.
Right now, they are trying to link this shooting to the kid having aspergers and there has never been a link before. Then they are trying to say he was mentally ill... they'd obviously have a good go with that because healthy individuals don't do things like this.
Restrictions.... that will be someones safety blanket but it should stop being a safety blanket as soon as there is another shooting.
For a criminal with the intent to commit any violent crime are far more likely to attempt that crime on someone who is an easy target. Knowing that the majority of the country is now unarmed (lawful individuals turned in their guns, bad guys didn't) the potential for more "targets of crime" goes up. Less people armed, less risk of getting killed while committing crimes.
Right now, they are trying to link this shooting to the kid having aspergers and there has never been a link before. Then they are trying to say he was mentally ill... they'd obviously have a good go with that because healthy individuals don't do things like this.
Restrictions.... that will be someones safety blanket but it should stop being a safety blanket as soon as there is another shooting.
Sure it will Brice. I disagree with you that it won't affect the lawless. yes, some will still committ crime. But a different gun used in that school would have most likely ended in fewer lives taken. And had his mom not had access to buying the assault rifle, her son wouldn't have had one to use.
And I'm all for making a dent in a problem even if you can never fully solve it.
And I'm all for making a dent in a problem even if you can never fully solve it.
It was a 20/20 right up to the head between the eyes or it wouldn't have killed it.Anything else may have damaged meat.There was a time when we had an AR .No more just the stuff we need for farm animals is here now.Though in the worst case scenario I don't think some people bent on stealing or occupying or whatever would be run off with a 20/20.Shot gun!Yes and I think they are a good thing and we would have less violent crime.
Sorry for not supplying a link.
Sorry for not supplying a link.
Sorry I meant to adress the apology to Barb and the rest of the posting to all.
What you're saying is reasonable, but hypothetical. The below links are of professionals using guns that would be acceptable according to the conversation we are having. To become this proficient takes a long time. To become more proficient doesn't take a lot of time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVoehY1ssyM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PDzE55esIE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVoehY1ssyM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PDzE55esIE
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