I have a nine year old lab "Sandy Grace". She is in fourth stage renal failure-Of course she has seen her regular vet for fluids-ultra sound revealed she has one kidney which is failing. Creatine was 13-subs at home-now using hollistic and homepatic treatment. Recently more bad days than good. I am giving her ice chips which seem to work better for her than lapping. Pedialyte ice is also better. She throws up until she staggers and falls-I am continuously trying to hydrate her and giving her baby food-At times, she is able to keep it down, other times the vomiting is horrible. She continues to try for us, and we are fighting so hard for her-LIke others, I tuck her in at night (she sleeps on the loveseat with her "bankie" covering her). I am sleeping in the den with her so I can give her support throughout the night. Neither of us are getting much sleep. I have her spoiled now with hand feeding other than her baby food, and I hold her plate while she licks it up. I am using a recipe of egg yellow / whites, honey, and whole yogurt with a touch of dry powdered milk. This works sometimes. Sandy Grace is not ready to leave us-she continues to try-we try for her twenty-four hours a day. Is there any over the counter medication that I can give her that will help with her vomiting? We love her so much and she loves us so much-my husband and I feel like we will know when she is ready to go. We went to grocery store yesterday to buy more food supplies and liquids for her, when we got home, there she was looking out the window-barking for us to hurry and come inside-you open the door and there she is - -so excited, still wagging her tail for us. What can we do, this is our baby, she is so, so sweet-I know her days are numbered, but she is just not ready to leave. Help. Aggieone
Your story breaks my heart as I lost my 14-year-old dog, Chica, to this exact disease on January 4. The vomiting is so awful to watch in the end as it just goes on and on and on...
There are many anti emetic meds to try. Has your vet not prescribed anything? Reglan (metoclopromadine) is a very cheap medication, unfortunately, it is also metabolized in the kidneys, so a too high dose results in toxic levels in the blood. My husband and I discovered that completely bypassing the GI tract by using reglan injections worked much better in the end. Chica didn't get the extra pyramidal side effects (extreme restlessness, shaking and trembling) from the reglan injections that she got from the oral meds. Our vet drew up a dozen or so prefilled syringes, and we administered them just under the skin at the back of the neck. If you're already doing sub-q fluids, this won't be any different.
I take phenergan myself for constant nausea, and discovered late in the game that dogs can also take phenergan. It didn't work quite as well as the reglan, but at that point we tried anything we could get our hands on. Over the counter Dramamine for motion sickness can be tried as it is metabolized in the liver - got that info from an ER vet nearby. Benadryl is also something of an anti-emetic, and can be given at 1 mg per pound of the dog's weight, but I doubt it will be very effective in the face of this kind of vomiting. Worth a try though.
Another thing that helps is calcium - lots of it. I was giving Chica 2 Tums a day during her last couple of months. The calcium binds to phosphorus which is deadly to those in renal failure. As you already know, nothing can cure this disease, so all you can do is manage the symptoms as best you can.
If you can stand it, check out the several journal articles I wrote on my profile here at Med Help regarding Chica and our "adventure" with end-stage renal failure. You and your husband are doing the same things we did, and your Sandy Grace sounds like the exact same temperament as our Chica. She never did give it up either, which made it so much more difficult to make the decision. It's all in my journal though. I just can't bring myself to rewrite the story. :-(
Thank you so much for your caring and informative response. The TUMS help! My vet and the specialist that we took Sandy Grace to wanted us to put her down since her numbers were so high. But, we knew in our hearts that Cissy (we call her Cissy because she has an adopted brother "Charleston Hershey" who is also a lab that we got from rescue . . .his nickname is Bubber and Sandy Grace is Cissy) was not ready to leave us. She is not in pain, but most uncomfortable with the throwing up. She is doing better with this since I am giving her tums. Cissy weighs around 95 pounds, so I am disolving four tums in water and administering by a syringe. I know this is short lived, but she finally accepted some shredded chicken that I had cooked for her. Her mom and dad are fighting so hard for her and I know we will have to make that decision very soon, but honestly she is not ready yet. I read your journals and I cried for Chica, you and your husband. Jerry (my husband) and I feel your pain as we are living it. We have shared so many special times with Cissy and Bubber. We love primitive camping, the beaches, and any outdoor activities that we could include our babies in. We are having the hardest time letting go, but I pray that we will know when to stop. She is drinking water, eating some of the chicken; so as long as she is willing, wagging her tail, able to go outside and enjoy, we will continue the fight. My family and friends are supportive, but now they want us to let go. How can I make that decision as long as she is fighting? Well, it is time to give Cissy her Tums, thank you so much for your concern and we shall keep in touch. aggieone
Bless your hearts. Yes, I know exactly what you all are going through, and it's the worst thing I've ever been forced to deal with where one of my animals is concerned. I'm so glad she's doing a bit better with the Tums. Did your vet give you anything at all for the nausea? If not, MAKE HIM! I totally agree with your decision to wait a while longer, so do everything you can to keep her as comfortable as possible.
The way renal failure is supposed to work when it's Time, is that the toxins build up so high in the blood that they cross the blood-brain barrier. When that happens, the dog loses its personality and really isn't "there". Well, that's the textbook case. It never really happened with Chica. She just got slower and slower and finally stopped eating the last couple of days, but her personality was still intact. She still knew us and her pack mate, Maggie.
Please speak with your vet about having some sedation on hand before you take Cissy in. If she's going to be like Chica, the last thing your baby will know is going to sleep with you and your husband by her side. Had we not done that for Chica, she would have tried so hard to do her usual routine of sticking her nose out the window and barking at everyone along the way. Neither one of us could have handled that. Of course, hubby being the big fat baby that he is, I was the one who had to give Chica her last pills. I'm choking up again just thinking about it, so I'll stop this line of thought...
We also arranged for private cremation and return, so ask about that ahead of time if you want to go that way. Chica was the 2nd dog we've had cremated (my husband just can't deal with back yard burial) so I figure when it's my turn, they'll all just go in the box with me. :-)
Cissy (Sandy Grace) is much worse from mid yesterday to present. She is still drinking some, but not enough to count-has not urinated since early this morning. Syringe feeding and medications is hopeless now as she will not swallow and work with me; everything just runs back out the side of her mouth I put it in, I bathe her each time and she loves that. She is ready to go now and we must help her . Like Chica, she still has her wonderful personality, but she is so weak. Sandy has always cleaned herself like a cat, always loved it when you brag on how beautiful she is, she is having accidents now and she knows it, she is humilited when I have to wash her bottom. I can't let this go on any longer. Our vet is coming out tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. to help her go easily. He will slightly sedate her first. She will be on her loveseat with her head resting in my lap as that is her favorite way to spend time with her mommy. I know this will be more than I can stand, but I promised her faithly after her stay in the hospital that I would not put her back in my car unless it was for fun. Cissy has always loved her daddy a little more than me, I was her next pick so I love it when husband is away at work and I am alone with my babies as they are all mine. I have been her primary caregiver since December 23, so she has been my baby, and daddy the next in line. If I am in another room she is looking for me. She is not attempting to walk now as she is so weak, so I find myself laying down with her just to hold her. We do that anyway, but now it is feeling her breathing and cherishing her even more. We will need your thoughts and prayers tomorrow morning, I hope I am strong enough to do this for Sandy Grace.
I hardly know what to say. :-( You have done everything you can for Cissy, and I completely agree with your decision on timing. Thank God your vet is coming to your home - not all of them can, or will, do that. Do try to remember that first and foremost, you are ending suffering. It's true that you are doing her a big favor by helping her ease gently from this horrible sickness. She will never have to be sick or vomiting or soiled ever again. You WILL have the strength to see this thing through as long as you remember that you're actually helping her. I know you're in for a long, miserable night tonight, and all of you are in my prayers for peace. Please check back in when you can.
Thank you so much for your sincere and caring words. Cissy just threw up and each time gets worse, I can tell she is so sore from throwing up. She is still accepting water and Pedialyte, but very little. She has given up now. I plan to hold her throughout the night to talk to her and tell her it is O.K. to go. My family wanted to be here to support us tomorrow morning, but you know, Cissy would not want that, she is a daddy and mama's girl so it will just be the four of us: daddy, mommy, Sandy and Charleston. I know I am doing the right thing, but it is so hard
I am so sorry for all you are going through. I know this is so hard. I had to go through a really rough death with mine a few months ago. He looked so scared until I held him then he just looked relieved and let go. It will be so good for you and your husband to be there with her tomorrow.
Reassure her and tell her how much you love her but let her know that you don't want her to hurt any more. I had Buster's favorite toy which I put in his paws then petted his head and told him how much I love him and all of the good times we've had until he was gone. You are strong enough to do this - Cissy is counting on that.
Hugs and prayers for you, your family, and Cissy tomorrow. Angles will be waiting for her.
I am so very sorry to hear of what you are all going through. How courageous of you and your husband to make this difficult decision to help Cissy over the Rainbow Bridge with all her loved ones beside her.
It is so hard. I am still tearing up to remember the beloved dogs we've said goodbye to in the past.
I will say a prayer for Cissy and your family and keep you in my thoughts. I hope that you and your family can heal together during this very difficult time.
I am so sorry your going through this. You and your husband gave her a great life and I know she knows that too. You have done everything you could do plus more. She knows and thats why she let you know when she was ready. Just be with her and everything will be okay. It's going to be hard at first but time will heal you and your family. My prayers are with you and your family during this hard time.
Just wanted to let you know I'm thinking of and praying for you all this morning. I know how awful the "countdown" is, and find myself glancing frequently at the clock today. I hope Cissy had a fairly quiet night last night too - for her sake as well as yours and your husband's. Prayers headed your way from west Houston.
I am so sorry for the pain you are feeling right now. Remember, it is because of your deepest love for your Cissy that you are able to let her go. Please know that you are doing the right thing for her, she will leave this world with dignity and will be waiting for you in the next. I am sure that she is thankful for the choice that you have made. I had to put my Tiffy down in December, and it was a very difficult time, somehow, though, we manage to make it through. God will be there with you making you strong and ready to take Cissy to a special place. Remember, she will always be alive in your heart. No one is ever truly gone when they have been truly loved. My prayers are with you.
Sandy Grace is gone now. She left on her own at 4:45 yesterday morning. Our prayers were that she would go on her own. I was holding her when she left. The worst night we had together, I finally gave up the attemp of giving her any liquids what so ever around 2:00 a.m. I held her while she threw up time and time again, as she was so weak she could not stand on her own. My last words when she vomited for the last time were, Lord have mercy on her. She left us just after that. I called my vet early that morning to tell him Sandy had left on her own, and he said that was the best thing that could have happened. Soon, I will share with all of you her last minutes, but I just can't right now. Cissy was a big yellow lab with a heart of gold. The biggest brown eyes you have ever seen. Our home seems so empty without her. First time, we came back in the door and she was not there to greet us. I feel so alone without her right now. I see her all over our house, As exhausted as I was, I could not sleep last night, I kept waking up to check on her. Did I try to keep her too long, was I selfish? A million thoughts are in my head and heart now, trying to sort through them. I have relived her death thousands of times. I feel myself pulling away from Bubber (Charleston Hershey) as I have nothing to give right now. I love Charleston as much as I love Cissy, but I can't seem to be mama to him right now. He needs love and support too in his grief for his sister. My husband is lost without his baby. We have a lot of support in our family and friends, but we feel so alone without Cissy. She loved her "bankie", when she was able to still stand and walk, she would hold her tail up to maintain the blanket, when she laid back down, she still had her bankie. If she wanted the blanket off, she would drop her tail and keep walking until it fell. How many times I have relived those moments with her bankie. Oh what a personality she had. Sandy Grace smiled a lot-I have a picture of her smiling, I will send when I can get my head together--that is how I want to remember her, smiling-but right now, I can't seem to think of anything but the last six weeks that she has been through. Could I have done anything else, Will be back in touch to share more, I have found new friends who know what we are feeling right now, and there is no words to tell you how much we appreciate your caring and the support . Aggieone
Oh boy, now you've got me crying right along with you. Both of you did everything right with Cissy - never doubt that. I prayed so hard for God to take Chica and spare us from making the decision, but it didn't work out that way. I have a confession to make about Chica too. She had a blankie that she loved and did the same thing with it that Cissy did. Those two sure sound like soul mates don't they? Hopefully they've found each other now. But back to the blankie. In the first days after losing Chica, I had to go through the ritual of cleaning up all the signs of sickness. Cleaning the food bowls and putting them away, doing laundry, vacuuming up all the hair she lost during the last couple of weeks. But when it came to her blankie, I just couldn't wash it. I folded it up and keep it in my closet. Every so often I'll take it down and smell it, and it's like having her back if only for a moment.
I understand why you've backed off from Bubber as well. Sometimes grief makes us go into our shell, just like an injured snail or a turtle. For Bubber's sake, just give him a pat here and there and let him know you're still there. The great thing about dogs is you don't have to talk to them. They know how you're feeling.
Grief is an odd thing in animals. When we lost our first dog, Travis, it upset our cockatiel more than it did Chica. Petey Bird grew up with Travis and worshipped him. He followed Travis around the house, shared his food bowl, cleaned his whiskers. They were really best buddies. After a few days with Travis out of the house, Petey stopped singing. That was almost 5 years ago, and that bird has yet to utter one peep of any of his old songs.
Give it time hun, and let yourself cry as much as you need to. It's so hard in the beginning to try to forget the sickness and remember the healthy, fun times, but it will come. God bless you and your husband for being such great parents to Cissy.
Cissy is in peace and you did everything right for her, right up to her last minute...What you are feeling is very normal..I still ask myself if I did everything for my dog before I had to put her down...You (and me) have to let this go. Just from hearing your words you were the best mom and Cissy was very blessed to have you. Yes, it hurts a lot and it will for a long time. I just had a little crying jag thinking of my Tiffy a while ago. It takes time to get those last moments out of your head, but soon they will be replaced with the wonderful memories of days gone by. You are grieving right now, so go easy on yourself. We are all here for you. Cissy is no longer suffering and I am sure she is saying "thank you" for the wonderful life you have given her. May God bless you all at this difficult time.
Reading my journals for the last six weeks-will provide some of the highlights when I can, but now I just can't. Hopefully, this will help somone else recognize the symptoms of kidney failure in their babies. I cannot express to all of you how much your comments mean to us right now. Not sure we could make it without you. It is so hard. Aggieone
Yes, everyone here helped me through Chica's illness and death more than they may realize. It still comforts me to look back every so often and read all the kind words from so many people. You aren't alone in this by a long shot! :-)
How about a little distraction? I assume you're in Texas based on your screen name. My husband and I live in west Houston, and have been here for nearly 30 years. Yeah, we're getting old! When we first met in the mid 80's, we spent nearly every summer weekend camping and fishing on the beach on the far west end of Galveston island. Talk about primitive camping! During those years, that end of the island was nearly deserted - nothing like what you see there today. Our dogs loved the whole camping routine, but once we bought a boat (actually, a series of 4 over the years) the camping ended much to the relief of my back.
Where do you two like to camp? We've made a few trips more recently to Guadalupe State Park and Pedernales State Park, but we've gotten old enough now to seriously consider an RV instead of hauling the tent and everything else. I don't need much, and I can stand the heat, but really need something closer to a real bed than we can rig up in the tent.
My neighbor recently spent 10 days out at Big Bend. Wow! The pics are awesome, and primitive doesn't begin to describe the conditions. Apparently that's the only kind of camping available in that vast park, and dogs aren't allowed so we babysat his 120-lb Lab, King, during that time. King is just another member of our family and we take custody of him frequently when his dad has to travel on business. When Chica was still with us, I would take both our dogs and King on walks through the neighborhood, and we literally stopped traffic. Here I am with 3 times my body weight in dogs, and they just trotted along beside or behind just as nice as you please. I always got such a kick out that! Particularly when King's dad gets dragged down the street when he tries to walk his own dog. LOL! It's all in the attitude. :-)
yes, this is a horrible thing for any owner or pet to endure. I am going through this at this moment with my dear sweet little Yorkie (Honey). crying as i type. Really nothing one can do i guess when they can't keep food, water, or anti-emetics down. My prayers are with you.
Good Morning!!! We are haning in there and devoting a lot of time to Charleston (our chocolate lab-nickcname is Bubber) We are trying to remember to call him Charleston now since Cissy is gone. I keep reliving the last few minutes of her life. Will share soon, but again, not now. I have relived the last 6 weeks and the last few moments of her life a million times now. Our vet notified Lab Rescue and they have contacted us VIA e-mail to see if we are interested. How can we say no to a lab who needs a good home. Husband and I plan to think about this a while. It is too soon after losing our Cissy, but how can we say no. What do you guys think?????
Jaybay, I live in North Carolina and love it. Have lived here my entire life. My nickname, Aggie was given to me by my twelve year old grandson. He gave it to me when he started to talk as a little one. It has stayed with me and everyone calls me Aggie. We camp at Surfside beach at Ocean Lakes Family Campground in South Carolina, when we stay there, we take our RV. It is wonderful and so pet friendly. We rent a golf cart for the week and take our babies everywhere. Husband use to be a deer hunter, but thank goodness he no longer has the heart to kill them. From his deer hunting days, he leased hundreds of acres of land, he still does so we can ride our four wheelers, camp "very primitive" and take our babies, we can only go on weekends because the rule is no hunting after Friday evenings at 6:00 p.m. We also camp at state parks if they allow pets. There are so many wonderful places to camp in the mountains of North Carolina (you know we have the Blue Ridge Mountains and Parkway). Waterfalls, the Broad River and so much more. You should look at the options and come camp in this wonderful state. My only complaint is the high humidity in July and August, I prefer our camper when it is so hot. I highly recommend Ocean Lakes Family Campground, it is massive and so much to do there. Our babies love it. We have been going there for twenty-one years. I really enjoyed this diversion from my constant thoughts of losing Cissy. Would really appreciate your thoughts on rescuing another lab. Kind of wish our vet would have waited a few weeks. There will NEVER be another Sandy Grace, but we learned a long time ago when we lost our precious Hannah (another lab we rescued) that each of our wonderful babies hold new places in our hearts, have their own wonderful personalities and constantly leave their own footprints on our hearts. Look forward to hearing from all of you. You guys are THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aggieone
I feel that if they contacted you, that it means you should let this new lab into your wonderful home. You definitely are NOT replacing Cissy....no one can and no one will ever try. Think of it as a tribute to Cissy. She has given you so much love that it is only right to share it with another. I still grieve often for my beloved Tiffy and am not quite ready to have a new dog, however, if one was presented to me I take it as a sign from God. You know in your heart what to do, and I am sure that you will make the right decision. Hang in there, and know Cissy is in a better place, running around and not suffering anymore!
I found this site while getting information on my Mini Schnauzer who has kidney failure and is having a bout with Pancreatitis. I will share my story at a later time. I just want you to know that you did everything possible for your Cissy and she is no longer suffering. I had a dog die in my arms 20 years ago and have had to put down 2 since. They are like your babies and they can never be replaced. I know your Cissy is in the arms of our Savior and my beliefs are that we will see our dogs again. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
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I would LOVE to see the entire east coast some day. I've been all over the midwest from Chicago to Kansas City to Oklahoma City, Houston and points southwest to Los Angeles. My dream is to take a summer in an RV and roam around New England all down the coast to Florida. I also love that North Carolina accent. Very easy on the ears. LOL!
As for timing on another rescue, that's a tough one because it's such a very personal decision. Right now there's nothing wrong with updating your application or even putting in applications with a couple more rescue groups. That way, when you're ready to adopt there will be no delays. That's actually how we came to adopt Doc Holliday so very soon after losing Chica. My husband had made application to a dalmation rescue group a couple months before Chica died. Yeah, I was just a tad upset out that, but as it turned out, it was a good thing. Having Doc Holliday helped us move past our grief over Chica, and we quickly fell in love with him. Our other dog Maggie really needed a playmate so when we found Doc and he and Maggie got along so well during their first meeting, there was no point in waiting. How is Charleston doing being the solo dog now? You might use his behavior as an indicator for adoption timing. We've always had 2 dogs, and can't imagine being a 1-dog household. Twice the love, twice the fun, and twice the.... poop! LOL! :-)
Just wanted to let you know that I followed your story from the first to the last posting about Sissy. Wow, what wonderful parents you were to her. And in her last days, she knew you were fighting with her. There is no greater gift to an animal on this planet, than that. Knowing that she was dying and being able to be strong enough for her, not to go ahead and put her to sleep, but instead to do ABSOLUTELY everything in your power to stretch out her days, was such a huge sacrifice. She knew you were sacrificing for her and you can have peace of mind in knowing that. Let the thought of you by her side in her last moments give you peace. I lost my border collie mix, to end stage kidney failure, his name was spots, 2 summers ago, and I still cry to this day. I have since acquired 2 more dogs, but nothing will ever take his place, nor erase the memories of what I went through trying to save his life. I can say I know exactly what you went through, from vomiting to fluid therapy, to hand feeding. It is the most difficult situation to be in, when you love them so much, but you did exactly what I did, for my spots...and it gives me peace of mind to hear you tell your story, and know that we DID do everything and that our little babies knew it, right till the end. God Bless!
Wow! thank you so much. Our home is still so sad, but we are trying very hard to devote a lot of time to Charleston. Husband and I have talked at length about rescuing another lab, we have decided to wait a few weeks before we do as we are still mourning and so is Charles.
There is no way that I can describe what Sandy Grace and I went through the last six weeks of her life. I truly understand "desperation" now. Husband hurt his back at the onset of her last six weeks, so he was not able to bend over to help hand feed her. He was not able to help me hold her as she vomited and finally hold her when she was too weak to do her other business. My dad had Alzeheimers disease for over eight years; my mom read a book called Thirty-Six Hour Days. That is truly what I lived with her the last six weeks of her life. I would do it all over again, because during that time, she did have some good days. Even walked down to the lake, sat on the bank, watched the geese and seagulls. She wasn't able to chase them like she loved to do, but she would just look and look as if she knew it could be her last time; finally there was a last time for her. Cissy was in such bad shape when we rescued her, and we promised her she would not suffer anymore. For years, she lived a wonderful life and she knew it. What a pleasure she was!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Husband and I are reliving many of her funny times now.. It helps us to laugh. She was a riot when she wanted to be. I hope the day will come when kidney transplants are a success for dogs. The specialist that we took her to said she had not heard of any successes for dogs as yet. Some cats have been saved, but no true long lasting success for dogs. I want to recommend to everyone that they should make bloodwork a part of their babies vet visits, at least once every six months. Cissy was so healthy, she went in to get her nails cut, shots, boosters, tummy upsets, ear infections, etc. She only got blood work once a year. I am going to insist on quarterly bloodwork now. We were devastated when we found out she was in kidney failure. Not our Cissy!!!!! I love my supports here and I hope you all do not get tired of me talking about Sandy Grace and the horrible disease she had. What can we do to get the word out to those who do not know the symptoms. I have told my family about this site and what a wonderful group of people you are. Aggieone
Thank you for sharing your story about Sandy Grace. You weren't here when I had to put my dog down in December. She was a 12 year old minature poodle who was the love of my life. She was extra special because she was in my family before my parents passed away. She was 4 when both my parents died unexpectedly 4 months apart. My sister and I gave my dad a "Tiffy's Grandpa" for Christmas one year. She was definitely spoiled by him. After my parents passed, Tiffy saw my sister and I meet great men, get married and for me, adopt a daughter from China. My sister and I had "joint custody" of her! She would spend the school year with my sister (but I visited every morning before school) and she spent summer with me ( I am a teacher). She started having heart disease and it got progressively worse. She was taking 6 pills a day for her heart. She wasn't able to walk far, so I would drive her to the local park and let her walk a little and do her business and hang out a while, I would then carry her back to the car. This went on like this for the last year or two. On December 7th, my dog was attacked by a German Shephard.(my husband was walking her) She got three puncture wounds. 2 were superficial, the other preforated her abdomen. The doctor was able to stitch it up under a local anesthesia. However, for the following week, my dog refused to eat . I took her to the vet and she began renal failure. It wasn't from the attack, it must have been brewing, but the attack exasterbated it (is that the correct word)...well, treating kidney failure and severe congestive heart is a double edge sword. One would hurt the other. I would have had to force feed my dog and that was the only thing that she really enjoyed in the past year because she couldn't do much because of her heart. I always said as she was beginning to "slow down" in the last 2 years, that as long as she enjoyed eating I would let her be. Well, now she wouldn't eat at all. I know that she was tired from her heart problem..she couldn't even lay on her stomach because her heart was so large and pushed her other organs down, so she either sat or laid on her side. I just felt it in my heart that it was her time...I put her at peace on December 15th. So, I never actually "experienced" the renal failure. With all she was going through with her heart, I felt I had to do it. It was the hardest thing I ever had to do, but somehow God got me through it. I know that she is with my father now. Isometimes question if I did the right thing....I guess I will always wonder, but I try to find peace with my decision.
This is the first time I shared my story...I hope you don't mind.
Oh Suzi, thank you so much for sharing this with me. How my heart breaks for you and your special baby. I understand how you feel and you wondering if you did the right thing. You did. My husband and I knew we would know when Sandy Grace was ready to leave us, and that would be when she refused to eat. When she started refusing food, we knew we had to make the call. Our vet was coming out on Feb 6 at 11:00 a.m. to help her go easily. But as you read, our special baby left us on her own at 4:45 on the morning of the 6th. I asked my family to pray that she would go on her own as I did not have the strength to hold her for that last moment in her life with her big brown eyes looking at me. I thank God that I did not have to do that, but it was so hard when she died in my arms that morning. I will tell that story someday soon.
Please know in your heart that you did the right thing. When she gave up eating she was telling you how tired she was and she was ready to go. We both know that, but Suzi, it hurts so bad no matter if it was the right thing to do. I told my husband if I could just hold her , feel her breath, her soft hair and kiss her on the nose one more time. But I know, I would not call her back because the last two days were horrible for her. You see I keep questioning should I have called our vet a few days earlier to come out before she died. We will always have these questions in our minds and hearts, but you did the right thing. Thank you again for sharing your story. It does help to talk about it. Aggieone
It is funny how we carry the "what if" thoughts no matter which way it goes...You wondering if you should have called the vet sooner...me wondering if I should have waiting longer. LIke you said, it is never easy, and, right or wrong, it hurts so deeply. I still feel like my heart has been cut out of me. I know in time we will both heal and be able to share happier stories about our babies. Maybe they are together.
Out of desperation I got online to seek info on renal failure in dogs ,my cassie is 14 golden retreiver lab mix. She is getting worse off and my heart is breaking watching her. She drinks so much and never seems hydrated enough. she can no longer hold her urine and has many accidents. Her urine is very sticky...is this common? A few weeks ago she started vomiting uncontrollable just a yellow fluid that lasted a few days but since has not vomitted any. I just wish that there was something anything I could do.
I know how you feel, I wish I could tell you things wil improve. I don't know your baby's numbers so I don't know what level she is in with her kidney failure. Sandy Grace never had a sticky substance urine. There was a few days at the onset of Sandy"s illness, that she did not vomit often, but after a couple of weeks, it was constant, (we did have some wonderful days in between where she seemed like she felt great, no vomiting, playing ball with us, but this does not last with kidney failure.) Have you taken your dog in for blood work and an ultrasound. Some vets want to biopsy the kidneys, but an ultra sound is much better and less painful. Most important is the Creatine/Phosphorus levels. Are you giving your baby fluids at home, these help rid their body of toxins, but please know this buys your baby some time and makes them comfortable. Unfortunately in the fourth stage of kidney failure, noting seems to help. I am encouraged that she is not vomiting. What is your vet saying? Aggieone
one more time for my wonderful friends at med help
I just read so many sad stories about some of our med help friends who have lost or about to lose their babies to renal failure. I felt like it was time for me to share Sandy Grace's last hours. Hopefully this will help some reach that decision that is so hard to make. Aggieone
Well, let's try this again. I read some very sad stories from others who have lost or about to lose their babies to renal failure. They are in a great deal of pain from a decision they have made or about to make. Hopefully my response to them will help others. Wanted to share with all of you Sandy Grace's last hours.
I have read and reread all of these sad, sad stories. My heart is breaking for all of you. We just lost our beautiful yellow lab "Sandy Grace" to kidney failure. I know many of you have read my plea for help when Sandy was so sick. Her creatine was 13. Our vet was amazed at her will to live. We took her to the vet thinking she had a gastritis virus. Like all of you, we did everything we could for her. We admitted her for 40 hours of IV fluids. Her creatine went down to a 10.3- We took her to a specialist hoping for a miracle. The specialist wanted to put her down that day as ultrasound showed she had one kidney, the other resembeled a raisin. We told the specialist, she was still eating, drinking plenty of fluids, was still sassy when she wanted to be, still walked to the lake, SHE IS NOT READY TO GO!!!!! I think the specialist thought we were cruel, but we knew in our hearts our Sandy wanted a little more time with us, and we wanted a lifetime with her.
Our vet sent bags of fluids home with us. We gave her fluids, nausea meds, vitamins, everything money could buy to make her more comfortable. I researched every piece of information I could find trying to help her. I read many articles about hollistic and homeopathic treatment. My vet referred us to a vet who practiced orthodox, hollistic and homeopathic medicine. We rushed her to him, he prescribed seven medications for her. They helped a short time. The fluids helped for a while, but then nothing seemed to help her vomiting. This is when I came to this wonderful site for help and support. I tried the Tums like Jaybay suggested, they gave her some relief for several hours but nothing was longlasting. She stopped eating (KD dogfood, hamburger, dark meat chicken, bacon, some steak, chicken broth with shreds of chicken, a special mixture of raw eggs, honey, whole yogurt, babyfood, etc.) We were constantly giving her ice water chips and pedialyte ice chips, We realized if she lapped, she threw up everytime-if we gave her ice chips, she seemed to hold it down most of the time. DESPERATE!!!! I slept in the den with her, her favorite place was our loveseat. If she got on the floor, I got on the floor to lay with her. What else can we do, somebody please help!!! We can't lose our Sandy Grace, she is so special!!!! She loves us so much, she wants to live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your thoughts are constantly with your baby, WHAT CAN I DO TO HELP HER, THERE HAS TO BE A WAY. Then, you realize you have to let her go, how can you euthanize your baby who has been your best friend and lived her life for you. NO, I can't do this. I PROMISED HER I WOULD NOT MAKE HER GET BACK IN THE CAR UNLESS IT WAS FOR FUN!!!!!!!!! NO, NO, NO. Then you know, you have to do this for your baby. She is not eating, she is drinking very little. She is so weak, when she throws up, I am holding her so she will not fall. YOU HAVE TO DO THIS. NO, I CAN'T. YES, YOU CAN. You are being selfish, yes I am, I want to hold her, feel her breath, rub her tummy. You have to let her go. We finally made the decision to call our vet, we wanted her on her loveseat with her bankie, I wanted to hold her as she was sedated, I wanted her to remember, to experience our love one more time before she closed her eyes in sleep. She would not know about the second shot that would stop her heart. She would not suffer from the vomiting and weakness anymore. She would be at peace and healthy forever in heaven. Our vet was coming at 11:00 a.m. on Februay 6 to help end her suffering. That did not happen. Sandy was much worse, the evening of February 5, she was constantly throwing up, so weak . . WHY DID YOU NOT CALL YOUR VET SOONER!!!!!!! I finally got her settled around 11:00 p.m that evening or I thought I did. She was able to rest for a few hours. She wanted in the floor, O.K., we can do this together girl. I helped her in the floor and I laid down beside her and put my arm around her, rubbed her tummey, pulled her ears (she loved that) and told her it was O.K. to go. I told her how much we loved her and what a great friend she had been. I reminded her of her funny times and told her we would hold those precious moments in our hearts forever. She was relaxed for a while. (You see, many dogs lose their personalities during their last days of kidney failure, but Sandy Grace never did. She knew who we were and was still wagging her tail at us her last hours. Even with a creatine level of 13, she was still rolling in the grass, watching the seagulls and geese I hope she was thinking of her fun times.) We managed to rest a short while, then she started throwing up horrible yellow and green fluids. Dry heaves that was nearly killing her. WHAT CAN I DO FOR HER, IT IS SO LONG UNTIL 11:00 AND HER SUFFERING ENDS. I am holding her as she is dry heaving, she has a seizure, (first one-lasted only seconds) Her tongue is turning black. SO LONG UNTIL 11:00, I KNOW I WILL CALL MY VET TO COME EARLY MORING!!!! I promised her no more fluids, she would not accept any water or pedialyte now. 2:00 a.m. . . Sandy, I am just going to hold you, I will not bother you again trying to give you any meds or fluids. We will just lay here together and I will hold you until I can call the vet to come earlier.
On the evening of February 5, my grandson called to say goodnight-I asked him to pray that Sandy Grace would go on her own, I called my daughter, son, sister, mom and friends to pray that same prayer,
Sandy rested until 4:00 a.m., finally she tried to get up, she wanted to lay on the kitchen floor because it was cooler. I helped her to the kitchen floor. She laid there for a while, I could tell she wanted to be alone, so I pulled up a chair, gave her some distance and just watched her. I laid my head back and snoozed for a few minutes, I heard her trying to get up, I got up and helped her into the den. Just as we got into the den, she sat just as beautifully as you could imagine, she looked at me with those wonderful eyes for a few seconds, dry heaved, fell forward in a violent lunge. I tried to catch her, as I caught her and positioned her in my arms, I could see in her eyes that she was leaving us, I cried out loud, Lord have mercy on her, two weak dry heaves, and she was gone. I must have held her for an hour or so, rubbing her tummey, pulling her ears and feeling the warmth leave her body. I live these moments in my mind every minute of my day and most of the night.
Why am I telling you all of this . . in my heart, I know I should have called our vet a few days earlier . . I didn't-she suffered that night-but my prayer was answered, she went on her own. Which way is easier for all of you who loved or loves your babies as much we did. I do not know. I do know that kidney failure is a horrible thing and there is no cure, it only gets worse in time. I have read and heard about dogs who lived for a year or two with kidney failure. The sub q's do help bring down the toxins. THERE IS NO CURE!! I have been told by three vets that they have not heard of any successful kidney transplants for dogs. Maybe someday.
I hope if you have a decision to make about your babies, you will make the right one for them and yourselves. It is such a personal and painful decision to make. My heart is with all of you if you have gone through this or about to do so. Stay with this site, as you will get the best support from these wonderful friends you have found. Aggieone
I am crying as I read your post as your dog went to a better place. Thank you for sharing your story. I know how hard it is. From your words, I will bet my bottom dollar that your dog left in peace. You were there and that is all that mattered to Cissy. Please do not wonder if you did the right thing. Cissy would not have wanted it any other way....BLESS YOU!
Thank you so much for your sincere comments. You have the biggest heart. I wanted to write about her last few hours and our time together, I hope it helps someone through the horrible decisions they have to make concerning their babies.
I read your post to the young man who has a brother with ADHD. I think you can help him in so many ways. Keep in touch with him as I am very concerned about the beginning of bullemia. I know your kids at school absolutely love you. You are the BEST. Aggieone
I appreciate you posts and I now know what I have to have the strength to do. I thought a tailwag was always enough, but I don't want Santana to go through all of this. He seems fine today, but as soon as he starts vomitting nothing I willl call the vet. He's 14.5 year old Siberean. That's over 100 in dog years. He is laying beside me now looking at the laptop screen. God give me the strength to not let him suffer too much.
Thanks. I will not be back on here. Aggietone, you have saved dogs needless suffering with your tale. If nothing else, take solace that you have told others what awaits in their fate.
I know what I have to do. I pray I have the strenghth to recognize it then. I want to live in denial and hope that this will be the one case that has a reversal. Rght now that seems selfish of me.
Goodnight and thanks for reliving your tale. Your baby sounds like she meant the world to you. It seems like her passing won't go in vain.
I know you said you would not be back on this site, but if you do come back one more time, I hope you get this.
Tell us more about your baby Santana. Talk to us about him. IT HELPS. Is your dog in kidney failure, if not tell us what is wrong with him, so we can provide support to you. We all love our babies so much or we would not continuously come to this site, to our friends who understand the pain we are going through.
Thank you so much for your post, if no one else reads it, you did and it was worth the pain I went through to write it. Please visit this site often, it will help. WE CARE. Aggieone
I love you and i know that it is time for you to go ...Dont stay for us ..I never thought I WOULD ENCOURAGE your passing but can only hope the good Lord takes you so that My hands will never be responsible for your loss to me and my kids.It has been 4 days without food and although the hot dog you had today was good it didnt stay down. I so wanted it to nourish you weak body....can not. I am at a loss .....you are one of my children ...14 years old ....be waitng for me Cassie. Is there anything I can do??
There is nothing you can do at this point and my heart breaks for you. I know how you are feeling. You feel helpless as you watch your baby slowly leaving you. Oh, I wish I could help you or wave a magic wand.
Try to keep her comfortable, she may have chills, keep her warm-continue to try give her ice chips of Pedialyte and ice chip water- Two tums a day may settle her tummy for a short while-try white meat chicken in organic chicken broth with some rice. Give her Pedialyte with a syringe in the side of her mouth-she is more likely to swallow. Is she getting fluids at home? Is she still trying to eat at all, is she drinking water-does she still have her personality, has she had any seizures at all?
If she is close to the end, her last hours will be so hard for both her and your family-I prayed for morning to come so I could call the vet to come earlier. (see above in my posts) Did I do the right thing by praying that she go on her own-was it selfish of me, I do not know. The vet said it was the best thing that could have happened-but for who . . . Sandy Grace or me . . . . . . . . ?
If she is starving, cannot keep anything down and will not accept water, spend some time with her sharing everything in your heart and tell her it is O.K. to go, and for your baby's sake call your vet and talk with them. We did call our vet after she refused to eat or drink-to starve to death or to die from dehydration is a horrible thing for our babies. God answered my prayer, he took Sandy Grace so we would not have to watch that needle, was it the right thing, I DO NOT KNOW!!!!!!
This is a horrible thing for your baby and your family and such a very personal decision as to what to do. I will say a prayer for all of you-one that you will make the right decision for your baby and your family. Don't leave this site as I can tell you, we do care and will support you for as long as you need us. Aggieone
I am going through this horrible sickness with our baby Babe. She is shar-pei and has been our baby for 11 years now who we refuse to let go. She was diagnosed with kidney failure on Monday. I have been so confused on what we should do. Putting her to sleep is NOT an option right now. We love her so much and the thought of not seeing her when I get home wagging her tail and wanting a treat is too painful for me to even imagine. She loves to smell the flowers in our garden and play with our other dog Penny. I can still see her on her back playing with a ball in her mouth then wanting to play fetch. My husband does not even want to think of putting her to sleep. My heart is breaking. I read your story and knew that I could talk to you. Please pray for my Babe. I need strength to make that call to the vet. I know I said it's not an option, but deep down in my heart I know we have to. It just makes me angry that we will not have her around for much longer. As I look out the window I see her smelling everything just like she used to. She LOVES being outside with our other dog Penny. I will join them in a bit. For now I will let her do whatever her little heart desires.
Hi, I am so sorry for your pain, I just lost my dog to this horrible disease also. If Babe is still going outside and not in noticeable pain, I wouldn't make that call yet. I found that the toughest part of this whole thing was to make the decision about when the right time was. I ended up taking Benny to the vet thinking we were going to put him down then, but he perked up so much while there (he loves the vets office) that we didn't have the heart to do anything and we brought him back home. I was fine with that decision, had I put him down then, I would have had guilt. After bringing him home he still had times of love with us while we rubbed him and he wagged his tail. In 4 days after that, he had deteriorated enough to where he could barely walk. He had not eaten for over a week and had stopped drinking for about a day. I really felt it was time. I wasn't positive, but I knew that it was more time then 4 days earlier. We had to carry him to the car on a blanket and take him in.
I think no matter what happens, if they pass at home, or we take them in, we always have doubts and what ifs. This is SOOOOOO difficult and this is what it sounds like you are going through right now. I will pray for you that god will help you make a decision about when the right time is. I think in your heart you will know. I know how you feel about feeling angry, I also felt that. Just enjoy him for now, and take it day by day for right now. Hugs.. Shannon
Thank you for your support. I was so happy to see your comment. I still have hope for our Babe. I did give her some food yesterday and today-prescribed cannned food from the Vet. I have been smashing it up with some pedialyte; with a huge syringe I put it in her mouth. She has kept most of it down. She doesn't really vommit the food, but some white gooey saliva? I bought some herbal stuff called Tripsy and I started to give her that as well; it has some herbal ingredients that are supposed to help clean the toxins in her body. I guess we are still in denial; I want to try anything just to have her with us longer. I am feeling guilty. Babe just woke up and it's time to give her some pedialyte and her food along with the herbal stuff. I just keep praying tomorrow will be better.
Hi Erika, I just read your post, and I am so sorry you are going through this with your baby. Your days and nights are long and I know that. Wait on your Babe to tell you when she is ready to go, you will not regret as much. Making that decision to call the vet is horrible, but Babe will help you when the time is right. She will quit eating, and start refusing any liquids. Does your vet have her on sub qs. That helps for a while. As long as she is playing, still eating and drinking, she is not ready to go. You will recognize it the minute she starts to say good-by. I still think about Sandy Grace's last hours and I still cry everyday. We miss her so much.
Take every minute with your baby, tell her how much you love her and I know you will do everything you can to make her comfortable. When she gets near the end, she will be so weak she cannot walk without your help. Waiting on her to tell you when she is ready to go is so hard. If she is in the early stages of renal failure, you should still have some great moments with her. Sandy was still wagging her tail at us throughout the day of February 5. That is their love for us, they are saying thank you for all that you have done, that is saying thank you for being such a good mom. I wish I could help you, I wish I could encourage you and tell you it will be better, and some days with her will still be good, we had a few where Sandy Grace was not throwing up and happy. We cherrished those days. So far and few between.
I know you are doing everything you can for her, and remember, she knows that too. Stay with us on this site as we will support you every step of the way. We care and we know what you are going through. I have started praying for you, your Babe and your family, Aggieone
Well, it is me again. Try not to feel guilty right now. You are looking out the window watching your baby still enjoying the flowers and being outside. She is ENJOYING the moment, Those precious moments will bring your comfort, and peace. Those precious moments you are watching her, please know she is still feeling some normalcy in her world. Rejoice that she is still smelling the flowers and be at peace with your self as you have allowed her another day to go outside and have fun. When dogs go through renal kidney failure, there is no pain. I was assured that by three vets who attended Sandy Grace during her illness. It sounds like you still have some time with her and that is what you have to focus on right now. The time will come soon enough when you have to struggle to make that call. For now, enjoy those moments and they will forever be in your heart and mind. Aggieone
Cassie is gone....She contiued to vomit and seizures came on fast. I stayed up with her most the night . I prayed to the Lord that if I was for me to end her suffering he would give me peace in my heart ...I woke up changed Cassies bedding and kiss her on the head telling her I would not let her suffer one more day! Peace was in me and I knew it was time. (We My daughter and I) carried her out to yard and she layed in the freash air and the sunshine pour over her sick body. She was ready. We said our goodbyes.....The vet helped assist Cassie to doggie heaven at 5;15PM AND PRAISE GOD SHE HURTS NO MORE!!! It was a privilege and blessing to have her in my life for 14 years.I WILL MISS HER ! I know I will have another dog in my home soon ...I love them so ...so faithful and devoted to us till the very end! Cassie would be pleased to know that I was able to open my heart to save another dog from hell (she came from the shelter) and so this is what I will do . Cassie has been cremated and right now Im not sure where she will go...I figured I'll know when the time is right! This conclues HER STORY...I thank you all for your support and kindness. MAY YOU BE BLESSED !
Oh honey, you and Cassie sound so much like me and what I went through losing my Chica to kidney failure at 14. What a wonderful gift to have your vet come to your home and have her outside in the sunshine at the end. :-) We lost Chica in early January so that was impossible. Like Cassie, Chica was rescued - but not from a shelter. She was dumped out in a rural area NW of Houston. Maybe she jumped out of a truck bed (?) because she had a broken tail and a horrible wound on her butt and thigh. My husband and I have rescued 4 dogs since 1990, and convinced several people that rescue is the way to go. I can thank all of our dogs for showing us the way in that respect. They teach us so much about life, don't they?
I know your grief is sharp right now, and you'll always miss Cassie, but I'm also very happy to hear you're open to rescuing another dog. There is no limit to love in the human heart, and dogs bring out the love in us. Blessings,
I can't stand it! There seems to be a rash of dogs dying from kidney failure lately. :-( We all understand what you're feeling right now, so cry all you need to. Come back and tell us about it when you're able. For now, you're in my prayers for peace.
Oh Erika, I am so sorry. I am so sorry is only words right now and will not touch your pain. Cry until you can't, reflect on your baby, and cry even more. The next several days will be so hard for you, you will see Babes, you will hear her bark, you will awaken thinking she is there. When all this happens to me, I talk to her, that helps me so much. I put her picture as wallpaper on my cell, and everytime I open it, I give her a big kiss. We all do different things to work through such grief, so whatever may be your salvation at this time, do it. You will cry everytime you realize she is not there, but this is your grieving, and we have to greive to get better. My heart is breaking for you. As Jennifer said, we all know what you are feeling right now. We are seeing so many lose their babies with this horrible illness, and we are helpless. We also know you have nothing to give right now, and that is O.K., when you're ready, we are here for you. The support here is wonderful and all these guys have helped me tremendously. We care about you and all of us are praying for you. Aggieone
I just lost my beloved loyal girl, Indi to renal failure (she was diagnosed Sept. 2007) she passed away, Monday Oct 20... I was away In PA visiting my family with my little sons when I got the call from my husband, I rushed home to Houston to find her almost catatonic, but still breathing, eyes open.... I held her close and told her it's almost over. We hurried and took her to the vet for euthanasia.... it was so sad, so hard.... we miss her so much. I only thank God that he let me have her final hour with her, letting her know that I was there for her. I didnt know that she could be more or less okay one days, and down hill so fast the next. She was 16 years old, I rescued her from a shelter in Pa. So many wonderful memories... she will be missed. Can't stop crying.
I'm so sorry to hear about all the ill precious babies!! It really tears my hear to shreds to read the things going on in your lives. I have a 24 month yorkie who went into kidney failure at 9 months old. After about a couple of weeks realizing his kidneys were failing him, we spent our savings of over $7,000 getting him the best care. To look at him now, you wouldn't know he had gone into renal kidney failure. I also looked up this website that helped me a great deal. After our puppy returned home from the veterinary specialist hospital, I began giving him flaxseed oil (refrigerated liquid form), Co-Q-10 (refrigerated liquid form), fish oil (***** the softgel pill), and vitamin E (***** the softgel pill). I mix them all together and use a syringe and give him his dosage daily. Three months later, I took him back to the vet to get his BUN and Creatinine levels checks and the vet asked if he was eating and had a good appetite. Yes, he's doing well. After the vet checked his levels, he couldn't believe how well our puppy was doing. I told our vet the cocktail I was giving puppy and all he said was "keep doing what you're doing, 'cause he's doing great"!! To date, our puppy (even though he's 24 months - - I still call him my puppy) is doing wonderfully. I also give the same cocktail to my 6year old yorkie too. It won't kill him. Yes, this is the "people" form of vitamins that I got from the health food store. I did more research and realize that I will not give my dogs any treats/food that come from China. I make them their dinner every evening which is broiled chicken, cooked and seasoned (vitamin E, flaxseed oil and MSM) chopped yams, sprinkled with flaxseeds and organic lettuce. They also get green tripe which is ordered from SitStay.com which is helpful for the kidneys. I invest alot into my puppies and love them so much that I will do what I need to do to get them healthy. If anyone wants to contact me, please email me at: ***@****. I'd love to help any one out to get their puppy back to good health. Thanks to you all and prayers to all of you too.
Wow! You're lucky you can afford green tripe - I understand it's pretty pricey. It's also one of the few foods that are extremely low in phosphorus which is deadly to those in renal failure. I completely agree with you about avoiding any products from China. The melamine scandal wasn't limited to dog and cat food either; it also showed up in bird seed and nearly killed my 20 year old cockatiel. The difficulty is that even if a food states is made in the USA, the individual ingredients may come from China.
Homemade dog food is a great way to go to ensure food safety, as long as vitamin supplements play a part to maintain full nutrition. That's one thing I'll give to commercial dog foods - they do have to meet nutrition requirements even if the ingredients are sub-par. Good job!
My Beloved Baby Yorkie (Lalique) Lali is in Kidney failure. I am in so much pain watching my baby slowly die. We are doing the fluids under the skin and Hills KD but she is weak, very weak. I love her with all my heart, my sweet loving baby. However she is eating well but very little drinking. I am worried for her........ I don't want my baby to suffer and yet the selfishness in me wants her to stay with me.
I may not have given birth to my Lali but she was definitely born in my heart. The thought of never smelling, kissing, hugging,bathing/grooming, cooking for her rips me up. I just can't stop crying. Her little noises as she sleeps or the sy of content. That special look in her face that says Mommy I love you.
The day, oh how I dread that day, that is soon approaching......... May God spare her of any pain. My beloved baby, I wish there was something more I could do to help her and save her from this horrible disease. My Sweet Sweet baby, Mommy's little Angel. I love her so very much.
The pictures throughout our house and my 2 girls who absolutely adore her are really hurting too. We have had such a bad string of luck and now this............ So painful for our family.
Does the Pedilyte help to give them stgrength and is there salt in that drink? I am open to any and all suggestions you may have. Is there something more I can be doing?
I am sorry and so sad to have read the sad heart wrenching stories. Tears are flowing down my face............. I understand the pain and I am so sorry. May God Bless Our Babies Forever.
My german shepherd is 14 months. I knew something was wrong. The vet I spent hundreds of dollars on seemed like I was nuts. I took her to a second vet and asked for full urine and blood analysis. Sadly the vet called early in the morning, he could not believe the blood results. Bun is 135 and Creatinine is 6.80. He gave me a special low protein diet to make for her. I cant stop crying. She is so young. I don't know if the vet previously had anything to do with it from the general. He put her on antibiotics and des. I took her off after seeing her vomit. Then he gave frontline and she lost control of her legs. That is when after speaking to him and he belittled me I went to a second vet.
Cant she pull out of this. Really, is it going to be over.
My dog has kidney disease also. He is doing well now with subq fluids twice a day and special diet. He seems happy. I will know when it is time. One thing I have learned after having 3 dogs put down because of liver/and or kidney issues, is that I will not let them suffer. I can't believe some people let their dogs go for days vomiting, not eating, etc. What does the animal have to do to let you know the fight is over? When you let a dog suffer like that, you're doing it for selfish reasons. As bad as you don't want to let them go, it's the right thing to do for them. I can't imagine letting my dog vomit himself to death. Unbelievable.
My beautiful 8 year old Bichon Frise Blue is at the ending stages of his kidney disease. We put up a huge fight, consulted and visited with 3 vets. Actually were two till two weeks ago. Our regular vet who is wonderful and a holistic vet. The Holistic vet is an hour and a half from us so I consulted with both... he and my wonderful vet to get the best of care for Blue. Two weeks ago our reg vet sent us to a special intensive care facility. Blue spent Memorial Day weekend there. They did all they could for him there and I took him home. He has been in high spirits, happy to see family and friends. Spends his last days in the sun when it's shining and rests a lot which he always loved to do. We go for evening walks and the other evening he pulled me to the door of a very close friend of ours. She has Chinchillas and he loves them. We walked through the door and up the stairs he went. Up and down those stairs. That was Tuesday. With each day I do see him slowly slipping away and just like Dew99, I do not want to watch him suffer. I spoke with my reg vet who I adore to see when he'll be in for I want him to help us through this difficult moment. He's in all week till Saturday. I'm spending our last days at home just snuggling. He's hasn't vomited since Tuesday. I'm still giving him his fluids, herbs and meds for his nausea to keep him comfortable. He's such a good boy and all he wants to do is please me. With all he's gone through he hasn't had an accident in our house, he runs down the stairs and to our back slider when he needs to go. I'm holding out for my girls, age 18 and 13 for they're still in school and I know they'll need to grieve and cry and spend a day for themselves after we say goodbye. Blue's in rush either. If he was suffering my girls would have to deal. He's eating anything he wants and happy doing so as he lays in his bed. But he's tired. I know he is. , he has continued to get up to go out and when he's done goes right back to his bed and sleeps.He's still eating his cookies (not worrying about his diet now, it would be like telling a smoker with stage 4 lung cancer to stop smoking) I've tried every diet the vet has given me, baked, you name it, he doesn't want it. All he wants is his cookies and if that's what he wants, that's what he'll get.
This morning I noticed head tremors. Did anyone else witness this with their dying dogs? He doesn't seem to be suffering. It stops and he snuggles back and goes to sleep. Still eating his cookies.
These are all such sad stories. I feel for each of you. I must tell you that my Dasher has kidney disease and the vet wanted me to buy purina for kidney disease and I refused. I researched "food for renal failure" and many sites said that the food is so low in protein that most dogs actually are malnourished. That is not the way to go. They have special low phosphourus diets you can make or the green tripe is wonderful. Also the Tripsy kidney support helps the kidneys. The coq10 is awesome and salmon oil. I have been using these for weeks and my Dasher is improving. He is a 13 year old rescued greyhound. I also do not get yearly shots for my dogs. They have proven (do your own research) that they actually build up in their bodies and attack their immune systems. Don't always listen to vets, do your own research. Vets need to make money that is why they don't tell you this...I am taking this approach hoping for the best but time will tell and I will keep you all posted.
These stories are all so heartbreaking. My pup Hanna is not interested in going outside to play with her brother today. We thought she had gastric problems, because she was not drinking or peeing excessively. I took her in for a vet visit Thursday and they did a blood test. Saturday we found out that she has almost no use of her kidneys. Her levels were extremely high: BUN 202, Creatinine 9.5, and Phosphorus 14.9. We were advised to put her down that day because they thought treatment, although very expensive and aggressive, would probably not help her much. It seems very unfair. She is only about 3 and we did not have any time to prepare for this emotionally. For the past 2 days she has been playing in the yard with her brother till evening time. We have been hand feeding her for over a week and she has had Sub Q's twice. My husband doesn't want her to suffer more, but I'm not sure if I can decide on taking her in to put her down. It's too heartbreaking for me to face. He is calling now to make a decision. She is alert, but has no energy for playing today. Pray for us.
If she is still really active and dosnt seem to be in ALOT of pain then you shouldnt rush into anything.I wouldnt want for you to have regrets and the What If thoughts going through your mind.She will let you know what is right for you to do.I am so sorry that you are having to go through this.You two will be in my prayers.Try to stay strong and i know in my heart that the Lord will see you through.May God Bless You,Chan
We just had to have our beloved Benny put down Wednesday. He was a 12 year old golden lab-finnish spitz mix. I knew it would be hard but my heart is broken. He was my sunshine. We have had other dogs but Ben was more than a dog. He had such a personality that I used to tell him he must not be a dog but a human in disguise. He was our puppy boy. He was just diagnosed at the beginning of the month and we tried the KD dog food but he wouldn't eat it. For awhile he would eat a homemade kidney diet and would drink outside from a clean puddle my husband made for him. He wouldn't drink otherwise. We had IV fluids administered for three days and he perked up a little for a couple of days then got worse. At the end he still knew us and wagged his tail but he couldn't get up to go outside and had diarrhea. The vomiting lessened when we stopped the Azodyl. I had to feed him from a bottle. The last morning I sat with him and petted him and told him what a good boy he was. I sang You Are My Sunshine because that is what he was. Then my husband took him to the vet while I fell to pieces. He seemed so healthy just a month ago and suddenly was sick. I miss him so much and keep asking myself if there was anything else we could have done. We didn't want him to suffer but it was so hard to let him go.
I'm so sorry you lost your friend - particularly at this time of year - and to kidney failure. It's a heartbreaking process to deal with knowing there isn't much, if anything, you can do to even slow down the damage. It's been 3 years since we lost our dog to it right after the holidays. I still can't believe her vibrant personality is gone forever. Give yourself permission and time to grieve. Hugs and prayers for eventual peace. :-)
Thank you for your kind words. I hope that there is eventually peace. Right now I miss him so much it hurts. He definately was a once in a lifetime blessing. I can't imagine going on for the rest of life without him right now.
We get his ashes on Monday and I know that will be hard because it will make it all final. Right now I can still have a fantasy that we'll find out a miracle occurred and he is alive.
I have found comfort in your precious dog stories. Princess, our 16 yr old female minature poodle, was in kidney failure in Dec 2008. Her urea nitrogen level was 42. The vet put her on an IV, and she seemed to get better. She has almost been normal this past year.
We took Princess for her 2009 rabies shot three weeks ago. The following Saturday, she had one seizure, two on Sunday, and one early Monday morning. We called the emergency vet on Sunday. The emergency vet said there was not much he could do for her. He recommended a battery of tests. After the IV episode last year, we decided we would not put Princess through more procedures.
The seizures were rough for Princess and us. We felt so helpless. Princess could barely walk, and when she did walk she walked into everything. Our vet of 30 years did not respond to our phone message, so we went to a new vet the Monday of her last seizure. The new vet put her on phenabarbatol and did a geriatric blood workup.
After we started the phenabarbatol the seizures stopped. According to the vet, it takes two weeks for phenabarbatol to take effect. Phenabarbatol does something to their back legs, they have trouble standing and they also lose control of their bodily functions. The phenabarbatol drugged her heavily. I slept downstairs with her, so I could be near when she woke up in the middle of the night. Seemed like all I could do was cry and try to soothe her. During the first week of being on phenabarbatol, Princess did not know who we were. She was like an alien dog.
Princess shivers continuously. I thought the shivers were from her illness. I finally figured out she was cold. I had kept a T shirt on her, but she was still cold. I put a little portable floor heater next to her bed, and she has really loved sitting in front of the heater. We live in the Florida Panhandle. The weather has not been that cold.
One of my friends made princess some velcro panties, the kind like you use when a female is in heat. I put a #1 pamper on her with a hole for her tail. The velcro panties have helped keep on the pampers. I also used a safety pin to pin the pampers to the back of her T shirt. I have not mastered the velcro for keeping the pampers in tact. I try to let her out so she can do her business without the pampers, but lately she seems to be losing more control.
My husband rescued Princess from going to a shelter when she was 1 1/2 years old. I think someone used to beat her. When you would raise your hand, she immediately would hunker down. She has became a loving dog and has been a gift from God.
Today, we took Princess back for her two week blood test for the Phenabarbatol. The vet did more blood work. The Urea Nitrogen level was 43 two weeks ago. The level from today's blood work was 71. All Princess does is sleep. So far she had not experienced any nausea. We don't want her to be in any pain. We are selfish and cannot let her go. I know the time is coming when we will have to put her down.
God Bless you for bringing joy to our canine loved ones. Feels like there is a big hole in my heart. Your stories have brought tears to my eyes. Your stories have helped me tremendously. God Bless.
I just want to tell you that i admire your love and devotion to that precious little girl.You are a very special person to go to the extent that you are to help her and make sure she is comfortable.I had a pekingese that wore diapers and i had to cook his meals and hand feed him not to mention i was giving him sub-qs as well.He had been abused when he was younger and when i got him he had no lower jaw bone and was almost blind from where someone had struck him in the head.He was older when he came to live with us and within a few years he had a stroke,So we believe. And as the weeks past he lost most of his mobility in his back legs.I would carry him out to potty and tell him the story of how we first met over and over.Bernie really loved that story.He would wag his little tail and look up at me as if he where smiling.I told him that he could let go if he needed to,But i could still see the fight in his eyes.The day i found him a propane truck was coming around a curve and was going to hit him.I jump out in the road in front of the truck and almost got hit,But i saved him.I loved him from the moment i held him in my arms and felt his little heart beating against my chest.After a few years by when he got sick it was really fast,But he held on well over 8 months.I promised him the day i found him that i would never let anyone hurt him again.So i was against putting him to sleep.I kept him comfortable and i knew that he was.I told him a week before Christmas that i was exepecting and he was going to get to be a big brother.Then later that week me and my husband had to run into town one evening and while we were gone i had an odd feeling come over me.I told my husband i had to get home.And when i walked in the back door ,I knew before i even opened Bernie's door that he was gone.And he was.He had let go just like i told him he could.He knew that i would be ok and i believe that he needed a sign from me to be sure of that.I held onto him for well over an hour thinking that maybe he would come back to me.I knew he was gone but it was just to hard to except.I guess what i am trying to tell you is you are doing what is right for you and your baby and i really do admire you for that.We have hospice for humans ,Why cant we offer that to our furbabies.That is something that alot of people should think about.I will keep you in my prayers.May God Bless You.
Thank you for your prayers. Princess has had diaharrea (sic) and bloody stools since yesterday. She will not eat. We are taking her to the vet tomorrow. I am worried about dehydration. I bought her some pediapops, but don't know if I can get her to eat them.
I fear that we may not be bringing her back home. I don't think she is in pain. I believe her body is shutting down. We have done all that can to keep her comfortable. God wants our flower back. It is hard to think about letting go.
It is a hard and devastating decision to have to make. We had our Ben on IV therapy and for a few days he seemed to get better. Then he went downhill rather quickly. The last day we could see that the light had gone out of his beautiful brown eyes. He didn't seem to be in any pain but we could see that he didn't have any fight left. We put him to rest on December 23. It has been a week and 4 days. I find myself looking for him when I go outside and have started to call him a couple of times when I got home from work. He was my baby from the moment I picked him up from the box outside the drugstore and he wrapped his paws around my neck, almost 12 years ago.
I hope something can be done for your Princess. If not, I wish for you the courage to do what is best for her and some peace in knowing she was well loved during her time with you.
I am truley so sorry for what you and Princess are going through.Only you know what is right for you and your little girl.I can honestly say that with Bernie i have no regrets.Alot of people can be so judgemental,Some people said that i went to far with him.But i knew he wasnt hurting and that he still had that spark in his eyes.You can try Gatorade they seem to like the taste alot better,Plus you can do sub-qs.I learnt how to do them at home after Bernie had a few my vet said that it would be easier on me to learn how to do them myself.If you need anything,Just remember i will be here for you.I will keep you both in my prayers.May God Bless You.Chan
Princess started bloody diarrhea (sic) Saturday morning, and it became progressively worse. Princess stopped eating. Princess also had other health problems. We took her to the vet this morning with stool samples. We were oncerned about dehydration. The vet said she could give us meds for the diarrhea, but that we would be back in a couple days because Princess was shutting down.
The vet said we needed to start thinking about making a decision for Princess. We choose to put her at rest. There will be a hole in our heart for a long time. Princess is forever in our heart. We had her cremated. We will put her ashes in the bayou. She loved to sit at the end of the dock.
Thank you for helping me through this difficult time. God Bless.
hi all, came home from work on friday to find my lovely dog "pupps"(we named her pupps because it was the only name she would respond to when we took her) not looking the best, we bought her from a traveller family 12 years ago when we seen her looking at us from sitting in a puddle and her life was sealed with us from then on, she was the greatest dog anyone could ever have, she would never eat dog food and lived on steaks, ham, chicken and what ever we normally had for dinner she would have the same, she loved coffee and tea also and would always gives us the eyes when we were drinking tea asking for it which we could never say no, anyone would say she was a member of our family we loved her so much, my mam and dad loved her like a child, bought her christmas presents, birthday presents, cakes and treated her like a spoiled child, we were planning for her birthday which was yesterday (valintines day) and we had gotten her loads of treats, coats and new beds in
on friday just gone i knew she didnt look herself, she had been eating fine and using the toilet fine(never went in the house) but i knew the look in her eyes on friday was telling me something was wrong, i brought her straight up to the vet and she said she'll take blood samples and xrays and see what is wrong.
On Saturday i got the bad news that her kidneys had failed and she had only 20% of them working, the vet said that it came as quick as she ever seen before, she said it would be cheaper to put her down but that was never going to happen, i was given the option of medication that will give her another 2-6 months off quality life which was very expencive but i would of given her every penny i had for her to save her, as im sure everyone who is on this would for their babys.
i took her home on saturday and the vet said she gave her enough medication for the weekend and i was to bring her back today(monday) for her to flush her kidneys out and give more medication, yesterday i was looking up on here and read some of your stories and it brought a tear to my eye, i looked at pupps and she had gotton so bad she could not stand, she was vomiting consistinly, not eating and she looked in pain, i could not believe this had happened so quick, from being fine on thursday to be in such a state on sunday, i knew from the stories on here that last night was her final night.
at 11.30pm i had her in my arms,i couldnt do anything for her only hold her and tell her how much i loved her, i kept telling myself that the vet said she'd be fine for another 2-6 months and couldnt think about what was to follow, at 12.30am my dad and mam said their good byes and we all cried our eyes out, we kept talking to her telling her she will be ok and at exactly 2am she fell asleep for good. i cried all night beside her until 9am this morning when i had to break the bad news to the rest of my family. i completly washed her down and got a big plastic box to bury her in, i went out and bought new pink blankets and covered the box with them and i got a love heart cushin with "i love you" on it and rested her head on it. i will never forget her and it will take me a very long time to get over her.
thanks for listening to my story, its not very helpful but your stories helped me prepare for last night so i thought i would share back
We just had the same thing happen to our Patches she had kidney failure, she was only 3 years old. The vet told us it was hereditary. They wanted us to put her down right away and I said no way.and got a new vet..so she held on for 8 months we got special food and we even did baby food to...I think she was holding on for me..I was so close to her always takeing care of her...she would have good days and bad ones..I asked myself the same things was I selfish to keep her with us so long? But when I would think she was getting badm, she would surprise me and eat and hold it down for a few days or a week even. But Thursday she got so sick throwing up and fell over and I picked her up and just held her and cried...it was really bad and then she threw up some red chunky stuff and I was told it was most likely her stomach lining from her throwing up so much. Then my husband said to me we cant let her go any longer like this, she is getting worse..I couldnt bare to do this..but I know that I would be selfish if I didnt do it. I was having surch a hard time with this. We took her to the vet Friday and I held her and talked to her as they put her to sleep. I kept asking my self did we do the right thing? I know it was right, but why does it feel so wrong inside..I prayed that GOD would take her Thursday night so we didnt have to do this..but it didnt happen and we had to make the choice that I so wished I didnt have to make..She was so weak and fragile and she would just want me to hold her all the time..I babied her so much and my other dog is so sad..he misses her to and I havent washed her blanket yet, I cant bring my self to do it..I smelled it when I got home and just cried...I know we did the right thing but I feel so bad inside..My other dog knows cause when I cry he comes to me and just looks at me like I miss her to..I told him she was very sick and we had to let her go with GOD and all the dogs that go to heaven..My husband told me ALL DOGS GO TO HEAVEN and he said she has no more sickness and she is happy and we will see her again some day..I just feel for anyone who has or had made this choice its not easy because our puppies are our family and we love them so much and they are helpless...and we do all we can for them....to make them comfortable..Thank you for your posts it made me feel better knowing that we did do the right thing....
I found this site on my Internet search for information, as much info as I could get, on kidney failure. My sweet baby girl, Cassy, a 14 3/4 year old husky, was diagnosed on Tuesday. I noticed she hadn't eaten on Friday morning but nothing really noticeable out of the ordinary otherwise. I took her to my bf's house on Friday afternoon. She drank all the water she could find and then promptly threw it up. She has thrown up in the past (normally after eating grass) so I still wasn't sure anything was wrong. She was pretty sleepy but at almost 15, who would expect any different. On Saturday afternoon, Cassy and I headed home. There was a 24hr/7 day/wk clinic on the way and I almost stopped as my vet wasn't available. I thought she was in pain as she suffered from an arthritic condition in her hind end as a result of an injury incurred after chasing a cat in a farm field at least 10 years ago. One missed step in a groundhog hole (or so I think) and she was a bit limpy ever since. So, as she was not quite herself, I thought I would finally give in to getting her Meticam (I was trying holistics for about 2 months but couldn't tell if they were helping). Then I thought I would just give her aspirin until I could get in to see my vet on Monday to get his opinion as Meticam is hard on them. So, I gave her a few aspirin over the evening and next day. She wasn't interested in food except for her home-made liver treats. She threw up Sunday night so I stopped the aspirin and let her be until I could get her in the next morning to her vet. He did blood work and shared the results on Tuesday morning - kidney failure. Her Creatin level 807 (60-100 is normal), uric nitrogen 37 (3-10 is normal), and phosphorus 4.5 (0.8-2.2 is normal). I was shocked as other than not eating well, she was behaving more or less normal (except being a bit tired). I looked into therapy options and had her to the vet later Tuesday morning for IV fluids which continued for three days in an attempt to kick start the kidneys. She stopped eating on her own Wednesday morning so I used a syringe to get down what ever wholesome pureed food I could. She stopped drinking on her own on Thursday. I also contacted a holistic vet who did acupuncture on her last night (Thursday) which she tolerated quite well - almost fell asleep. Still never drank and stopped tolerating me sticking a syringe in her mouth every 1.5 hours Thursday night. She started drooling and soiled herself a few times Thursday night (humiliated no doubt as this is a VERY clean dog). I was up to check on her most of the night as she could no longer get up open her own, I tried to get her outside for bathroom (urination stopped Thursday as well and diarrhea started). After she went inside (around 1am) I took her outside which she really wanted as she LOVED it outside. Left her until around 5am. She was content (10C overnight which is very comfortable for her) but did soil twice more over that time. Brought her inside at 5am. Made her comfortable and lay with her stroking her beautiful thick, lush grey and white coat. Didn't sleep and was up and down checking on her. Tried to get Tums dissolved in water down but no luck. Lay with her - thought I was going to lose her in my arms. Called the vet as soon as they opened at 8am. My vet called 5 minutes later and I brought her in to the clinic. She passed at about 9am. I loved this dog with every ounce of my being...I will always love her. She is with her companion now who I lost 2 years ago to a burst spleen ulcer. Her name was Sydney and she was a lab/golden/collie mix. She was also 14 3/4. I got Cassy for Syd actually but she became my girl very quickly. My head hurts, is swimming. I can't believe how quickly all this happened. I lost my grand dad to kidney failure last year around this time too. In humans it is not painful and according to doc's, a 'nice' way to go. Thank you for taking the time to write your stories, as hard as they were. This site helped me through this morning as I read it before (while making the decision) and after. If I can give two pieces of friendly, dog-loving advice, it is get their blood work done every 6 months when they get older (or when they start experiencing other problems). If I caught this a bit earlier, maybe treatment would have helped. And, do what is best for them. My girl had the most incredible brown eyes. When I saw the glazed look and eye boogers (which she always cleaned up), and her frustration with not being able to get up that last day from being so weak, I knew I couldn't let her continue to suffer. I will carry Cassy in my heart always, as I do my Sydney. I rescued Cassy from a shelter also at 9 months old and have loved her every day for just over 14 years (even when she was naughty - she was a husky so believe me, she could be naughty). For anyone reading that is going through this right now, hang in there! You know what's right for your beloved pet and you will know when the right time is. It will hurt more than almost anything you have ever experienced (if it doesn't already to see them slipping). But take comfort that that you chose each other and have had this time on Earth together living, loving, laughing, petting, scratching.....see you in my dreams my Sweetheart! All my love!
Both your dogs were very lucky to have such a loving and caring owner. I know you would have liked to have them around much longer, but to live to almost 15 for big dogs is great, and a tribute to the great care and love you gave them. I'm sure they are now running and playing together. Take Care.
My dog Sheba was diagnosed with Kidney Failure about two weeks ago. She spent a week in the hospital and has been on subcutaneous fluids for about a week now. My dog is in Boston with my parents but I live in Chicago and i'm hoping she can hold on until I go home on Friday (today is sunday). I didn't think she's as far along as some of the dogs I've read about on here. However, this morning my family called me to tell me they think she's had a seizure. I skyped them and saw her. She seemed to have recovered - she's drinking water, urinating and walking around. I'm just not sure how far along she is and was hoping someone could tell me at what point their dogs started to seizure. Sheba's had a great life, she's an 11/12 year old pitbul, the sweetest dog in the world and very much a part of our family, like all of your dogs. I don't want her to suffer but I want to be there with her when she goes.....
I think my dog is losing the battle with this as we speak. She's a 14 year old italian greyhound -- Halley. I love this dog, and I am sitting her bawling my eyes out reading all these stories. I sense it is close to time for her... she ate last night, but then I held her close & cried with her & told her to tell me if it was time... and she just trembled, shook, she is SO thin. Probably 5 lb. at this time -- down from 7, her norm. She is SO frail. Falls often. Skiddish... today I found poop in the crate & vomit... and then she just vomited again. She hasn't eaten yet today -- it's poop-smelling & from last night. Smells awful -- looks awful. Her mouth smells soooo bad - - like death, as my husband puts it. We love her, but we hate to see her struggling. She is blind -- due to an unrelated condition. She stumbles a lot -- back legs lock up -- yet she can still get up & down our 7-8 steps. She's had 2 accidents inside the past few days -- trying to blame MYSELF for not getting her out, but I am not sure I can. She is drinking SO MUCH still -- though not today. Seems so nauseous. Eyes seem glazed over. She is not herself. She has black, flaky, sticky stuff all over her mouth -- I clean it off, it seems sore?, and it's back the next day. It's all over our bedding & sticky & on us when we hold her. She's been declining for awhile now... I just felt like if she's eating/drinking, SURELY she is OK. However, today I sense something different... more of a decline. Vomiting has begun. I was using metrodizanole (sp?) from the vet every 3rd day for her... hate to stress her body anymore than I have to. Using Standard Process Canine Renal Support -- but she SO hates it -- won't eat food with it on top (a powder) -- so I just dump it down her throat, and she is miserable! I hate to make her life worse here in the end, but I also don't want to not do what I should to help her.
How do I know when the time has come? I sense it's near... but I do NOT want to let her go. I love her -- our first baby. The most precious, sweet dog. My husband & I are distraught! How do I know when to let her go? When to help her not suffer anymore? She's SO shaky on her feet, SO weak, SO skinny/frail -- all bones! And now the vomiting, accidents, etc. I just hate seeing her suffer... but don't want to do something prematurely either.
Hello...I'm So sorry your here for this...I tried to copy your original post and post it as a new question, but I couldn't figure it out.....Sorry.
The fact that you "sense something different" I believe is your sign....The glazed over eyes means she's dying......I do not know how long it will take....I wish I did....
Here is a suggestion: You can call your Vet and ask for a tranquilizer to give her before you take her in....Course, you'll have to leave home to go get it....When I had to do this, I had one at home, ready to go.....It will make her basically go to sleep at home and she will not know where she's going......
If she'll eat, let her have anything she wants....Don't make her take the Renal Support that she hates.....It is useless, now......
My heart is with you and I'm crying too, as I try to send this message to you......
It will be the hardest thing you will have to do, but because you love her so, you'll have the strength to do it.....
Tell her how much you love her and what a wonderful girl she has been all these years.
She will understand......Tell her that she does not have to stay here for you and that you will be fine!.....Try Not to be upset in front of her (Although I know this is impossible) as she will pick up on your heartache and try to stay longer......
This decision is yours alone to make..... Yes, you will question yourself & that is part of grief.......Whatever you decide, it will be the right......
Please, kiss her for me, too......As now my heart is broken, again......You are all in my thoughts and prayers.......Karla
THANK YOU for the super kind response... I just got off the phone with the vet. He wants us to run bloodwork & see where it all is & then if it's super high, he thinks we should not allow her to suffer anymore & put her to sleep. OMG. Not sure I am strong enough for that. Honestly. I want to be there for her -- but just soooo hard thinking about that. I don't want to lose her! She was our first baby. Love her so much.
THANKS for the kind words... so nice that someone else gets it & what our dogs mean to us.
Ging....Are you still OK? I keep hoping some of the other members will come by and leave you a reply.....There are quite a few here that can express, what your going through, much better than I did....I don't know where everyone is today....Maybe they'll be on real soon......
Until then, I just wanted to check on you and see how things are going.....Karla
I wanted to let you know... we went to the vet this afternoon with Halley. We did bloodwork first to see where things were. I couldn't bear to make a difficult decision w/o knowing whether or not I was doing the right thing & things were in fact as bad as I thought.
Her BUN was greater than 140 -- that's where their machine maxes out & she was higher than that. Her Creatinine was 4.64 or somewhere around there... both end stage renal failure, he said. She had soooo many things going on. He said he thought she was suffering, dehydrated, starving to death, and in pain. Our decision was made.
We cried with her -- and watched HER shed a tear like a human with us -- told her goodbye, and then watched her slip away. It was the hardest thing I've ever done. My head is throbbing from all the crying. I miss her so much. We have another italian greyhound who is 1 year younger than her -- he misses her, it's so evident. Keeps looking for her. Ears up, eyes wide -- cannot find her. It's heartbreaking.
Had to come home & explain it all to our 11.5 year old son. Who bawled. We bawled. I've cried SO MUCH today.
Miss her - feel the hole in our family - and wonder how life will go on the same w/o her. It won't... but we are all so much better because she was in our lives.
THANK YOU for the support when I most needed it, Karla. Appreciate it SO MUCH.
I am so sorry for what you've been through with you dog, its the most heartbreaking thing that can happen to a pet owner, but yet has to be done. You tried everything to help Halley, please find some comfort in that. She was a very lucky dog to have a family that loved her so much, and I'm sure she repaid you for it in many ways. Take Care.
Ging, Without a doubt, "Grief is the price we pay for Love." And it *****!
I'm always amazed at how many tears a human body can make....Just when I always thought there could not be one more; there always was.....Why is that?
Please know that you gave her the greatest gift of all; relief from illness & pain! I know it's awful, but with time, you will be able to smile about her instead of cry.....
Take extra care of Halley's fur brother as he is grieving, too. I assume by their ages that they were together most of their lives....He may not want to eat without her...Especially, if they always ate together......Keep an open eye out for that....He will get better, but it will take awhile.....
Try not to remember the end so much, but the great many years prior to that....You must have really taken good care of them both to be 13 & 14...Wow! Take pride in that!
I'm so very sorry for your loss & hope time will heal your heart....Come back and keep us updated on things or hang around and stay......God bless you and yours.....
"Run free little Halley~ You were very much Loved~ One of the lucky ones!"
I picked up Halley's ashes yesterday -- quicker than I expected & WAY HARDER than I expected. The second I walked into the vet's office & the receptionist said, "Can I help you?" I could barely get the words out... "I need to pick up my doggy's ashes..." And she asked her name, and I think I squeaked out "Halley" in between sobs. It was horrible.
But they gave me a beautiful wood box with our name & her name & her birth date & the day she died on the bottom. It was very touching. But soooo painful to think of her in that way. I miss her physical body/being so much around here.
Our older dog is still searching for her... looking high & low. It's so sad. But he is eating... though only once per day. Better than not at all.
I SO KNOW that the decision we made was the right one. I KNOW it was her time. Thinking back, I wouldn't have done it any sooner, and I wouldn't have done it any later. It's just that I didn't want to have to watch her go EVER. There is never a "good" time for saying goodbye to your "child!" Love & miss her so very much. I see the box & her collar & just well up.
I picked up the collar & the little tag jingled & our other dog -- her cratemate -- came running as if he thought she were back. I felt awful -- let him sniff her collar & he did but then looked away. I think I broke his heart. :(
Picked out & ordered myself a gorgeous tribute necklace from here: http://www.etsy.com/listing/54266977/double-stacked-i-love-you-to-the-moon -- instead of that quote, we used this one: ...to love and to be loved
I thought it was fitting. Adding both of our dogs' names to it. Just seemed like the right thing to do.
Anyway -- THANKS A MILLION for your support when I most needed it. We are going to be OK -- just so hard adjusting to life without our dear Halley. What an amazing, sweet little girl she was.
I am so glad I found your site. We found out a month ago our 3 year old Sadie, who is a yellow lab. Has chronic Kidney failure. They told us she would not live through the weekend. Fortunately they were wrong and she is still here. We are feeding her people food mixed with some high quality dog foods. She is still eating very well. She trembles some and sleeps alot. Her spirit is better now that she is on antibiotics and antacids. We are giving her a good vitamin and something for hypertension. Next tuesday we do another blood workup. Keep your fingers crossed. This dog is the love of our life. We raised 6 children who are all out of the house now and the joke is we love the dog more than we love them. haha. Any advise would be great.
I'm not familuar with kidney failure in a dog, but I do know what its like to have the kids gone and have your best friend get sick. You want to do anything possible to help them, and it sounds like you are. Your dog is very lucky to have such good owners who love her so much. Good Luck.
I left my beautiful black lab 3 weeks ago in the UK with my parents so I could start a new life abroad with my husband. Just got the call last night to say that she was ill and the vet has diagnosed her with the final stages of kidney failure. The vet says she can go at any time. My mother says she won't eat, is being sick and now can't get into the car. Its such a shock as only 3 weeks ago, she was bounding about full of beans without a care in the world and we didn't see any signs. It's her 10th birthday today and I'm online here just booking my flight back so I can be with her while she goes to sleep. The only comfort that I have is knowing that my husband and I gave her 10 years filled with love and happiness. Even though I'm writing this all down, I can't get my head around it. Before we were told of her illness, I had contemplated just going back home as I missed her so much. She went through all my happiness and tears and I can't imagine life without her. She's my best friend.
Found this forum searching for information on 'what to expect' at this point in the game. Imagine this. Julio, long haired chihuahua, born on Valentine's Day -- my husband's birthday too -- at home, delivered with 2 sisters. In 1991. Julio would celebrate his 20th birthday next year. In the past 5 years we've lost his mom and 3 sisters. Mom had kidney disease, diagnosed 'by accident' and was gone from us in less than a week. At 18, Julio was in a car wreck, where airbag deployed. He was shaken and the at-fault party's insurance paid his vet bill. Good news. Bad news: blood levels indicated kidney disease. That was a year and a half ago. We started special diet, sub-q fluids once a week. Over the past 18 months, we're up to daily fluids and now he is visibly failing, vomiting and sleeping non-stop. His breath is like his mom's was when she passed. My husband is in complete denial. He sees 'bounce back' at every turn. Each time Julio takes two or three steps, he says, "look, he's doing much better." I feel like I am the only one who sees how horribly he has deteriorated and how he is beginning to truly suffer. I don't want to be the one to make the decision, and pray each night now that Julio will just sleep, and peacefully cross the rainbow bridge. I thought I wouldn't be able to read these stories today and that they would just make me angrier. I am grateful to those who have shared, and understand deeply in my heart how you all must have felt when you learned and respect your love and courage on behalf of your babies. God bless you all.
You have done an outstanding job of raising a dog to live to be nineteen, my chart says that makes him 92 in human years, and my chart only goes up to 20, which proves that it does't happen that often. Another member had this poem posted awhile back, I thought it was good. Your dog is very lucky to have such a loving owner.
IF IT SHOULD BE
If it should be that I grow weak
And pain should keep me from my sleep,
Then you must do what must be done,
For this last battle cannot be won.
You will be sad, I understand
Don't let your grief then stay your hand.
For this day, more than all the rest,
Your love for me must stand the test.
We've had so many happy years,
What is to come can hold no fears
You'd not want me to suffer so,
The time has come-please let me go.
Take me where my need they'll tend.
And please stay with me till the end.
Hold me firm and speak to me,
Until my eyes no longer see.
I know in time that you will see,
The kindness that you did for me.
Although my tail its last has waved,
From pain and suffering I've been saved.
Please do not grieve-it must be you,
Who had this painful thing to do.
We've been so close, we two, these years,
Don't let your heart hold back its tears.
I found out 3 weeks ago that my beloved Barney of 16 years is in Kidney failure. At the present time he seems normal. Has a terrific appetite and is drinking. He had thrown up a few times but seems to be keeping things down. We started on a wholistic regimen and have seen improvement. However; I spoke with the vet and his numbers seem worse. We were both a little shocked. I keep hoping it is a mis-diagnosis or something. I'm not sure what to expect down the road but I keep asking God to not let him suffer. I don't want to make the decision but pray God will have mercy on him and not let him suffer. I pray for healing mostly but realize his is 16. Up until now the only health problem he had was arthritis. I don't think I have stopped crying for the last 3 weeks and don't want to upset Barney. He has been the best companion you could ever ask for.
My girl Amber is suffering from chronic failure as well. I have started my own thread here http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Dogs/Chronic-Failure/show/1503435. Karla recommended me to go through this thread. And I must confess that I am shattered after going through this whole thread. I feel for each one of you who have lost their baby and also who are fighting from this period. I must say that you guys are very very strong mentally.
Good news is at the moment Amber is doing well. She is eating well and not throwing up for past 2 weeks and it looks like she has gained some weight as well. Everything is looking back to normal and she is quite active as well. I will be taking her to my vet next week for routine BUN and Creatinine test. I am sure she is recovering as we can see the good results. At the moment she is on homemade kidney diet. And I was thinking of giving her some sort of snacks and juices. One of my close friends told me to give her fruit juice Water melon and Sugercane etc. Guys please advise if it’s good for her also I will appreciate if you could let me know some good snacks and other stuff which is good for my baby.
Also do we have any special diets and medicine to lower down the level of BUN, Creatinine and Phosphate binding foods and supplements? Sorry for throwing up too many questions once again.
Thanks for your support Karla and all the forum members. So far your suggestions have been working well for my girl and I am hoping for the miracle.
My 6 year old Maltese, Frisky...has been diagnosed with kidney failure yesterday. We are in shocked! this is my first baby..I love him to death! I feel like I am going to die with him...everyone tells me I have to be strong for my kids(6 and 4) but I just cannot..this is MY FIRST BABY we are talking about..I feel my heart is going to burst..I feel I am in the worst nightmare!..this cannot happen to my Frisky..he is WAY TO YOUNG...Iknow you cannot ever be prepared for something like this..but he is too young...Oh GOD......................
He's been admitted to a specialty hospital where they put ivs in him ...his creatine level was up to 12..they hope to bring it down...I guess buying more time..for us..for him..he will be there for 3 nights...this is the first night...I HATE it he is not with me..I want him in my arms...i just hope they can make him feel little better bring his creatine numbers down...cannot wait for tomorrow untill I go and visit him...oh I miis you Frisky...I just cannot see life without you...my sweet little babyy.....
Hi, I've been reading the posts on this website, I can relate with you and your Sandy Grace. We are going through that with our cocker spaniel right now, her name is Puppers. She is 13 years old, and in the final stages of kidney failure. So far, she'll still eat, but getting fussy about it. She still wants to take her walks, and still wags her tail at times. But she is getting weaker and weaker, and sleeps a lot. I've always said, that I'll know when 'it's time',,,, I hope that's true. She and I 'connect', sounds silly, but she and I have a way of understanding each other. She's such a sweet dog, we rescued her when she was 5, she was being beat at her first home. (can't understand how people can abuse animals...)
A week ago yesterday, we had to put down our other cocker, Tuffy, he had hemangiosarcoma, and the cancer had attacked his liver, and it was bleeding out. He got weak so quickly, so we had to have him 'put to rest', and it was so, so hard to do. Fortunately, my friend is a Vet Tech and she came to our home, Tuffy laid on the couch, and I was petting him, and he was licking my face, like he was trying to comfort me. My heart is still aching for Tuffy, but I'm trying to give my attention to Puppers,,, and help her final days, happy ones. I'm wondering how I will know, but somehow, I know she'll tell me when it's 'time'.
I understand all the posts I've read on this site, and I can relate to all of you, who have lost their beloved pets. Sending love and prayers to all of you pet lovers. Much love, from Puppers and Judy
My dog Silver is a 14 year old mini-schnauzer/poodle mix and dying from kidney failure.
It's been such a drastic change over the past 3 days. He vomited for 2 days, we brought him to the vet, and that's when we discovered about the failing kidneys. He has completely stopped eating, and only drinks plain water. He has refused all prescription food, any food at all, and obviously the medicine. He rejects water too for most part of the day.
The doctor gave us a sodium chloride drip (100ml, twice a day). It makes him pee (but all white, nothing is being eliminated) at the very least but he is so very weak. He stands for hours, just staring into space. He used to be so very responsive to me, but now he doesn't seem to hear me. I think he is delirious. It pains me that he is not resting properly, just keeps standing. He's been on the drip for 2 days. I asked the vet and seems like the drip can sustain him but it's gonna be a very cruel existance. I could hospitalise him for a couple hundred but I don't see how it would help him except to prolong him for awhile more.
He doesn't look like he's in pain yet. Everyone says I will know when it's time, but I really don't know. He's such a fighter (doesn't even flinch when Dad pokes the needle in) that I'm afraid he won't give up so easily. I'm a firm believer of fasting for good health (I fast occasionally too to cleanse myself) and I can't help but believe that there is a reason why my dog is not eating -- he is allowing his system to recover. But the vet says that he we don't force him to eat, it's just going to get worse.
I am so torn. I'm afraid I want to put him to sleep not because he is giving up, but because I'm giving up. I don't know if I should wait till he's suffering before I put him down. Or I should put him down while he still is still aware of us around him (at times).
You know, the worst part of it all, is that I've had him since I was 14. I was young, reckless, an animal lover, and wanted a dog. My parents took care of him in the end. I'm 28 this year and always felt that I've lived life with no regrets, but my greatest regret was to adopt a dog when I neither had the money nor ability nor time to take care of a dog. He has suffered from neglect and I can't even let him go saying 'He's had a good life'. I will never keep another pet again. Animal lover does not equate to a good owner.
I keep talking to him to give up if he needs to. I really hope I won't have to make the hardest decision. This is so difficult.
My greyhound nanny has this chronic disease, vet said she has 6 weeks left max ,she had a bad kidney infection 18 months ago we thought we
would lose her then but she recovered .we are devistated ,not much else
I can say, she is still eating and drinking ,doing small meals 3/4 times a day ,burgers, liver and chicken with pasta ,not too much liver as its high in vitamin A ..Just really trying to make her as comfortable and happy as
can be .. thanks colin
Colin....my heart aches for you and your dog. On Sept 6 of this year, I was told my Yorkie...Two-Bits...was in Stage 3 kidney failure.... (She was having diarrhea,vomiting,shivering, sleeping very heavily all day, had very littlle interest in eating, or going for her walk...had trouble holding her urine long enough to make it outside )....I decided that I would give Sub Q fluids..( to help flush toxins, and keep her hydrated ) along with Sucralfate and Famotidine...( for possible ulcers )...also was told to give Metroclopramide to ease vomiting....I did this for a week. Her symptoms did not seem to improve much. I was suppose to bring her to the vet after the week of treatments, to get another blood draw so we could retest, and see if the treatments were working. Two-bits did not like her visits to the vets office, and it was suggested, by the vet, that on the day I brought her in, to get retested, I could go ahead and give her 1/4 of a valium tablet, to....as the vet put it, "take the edge off" and help her relax alittle. I did give her the valium, because I wanted to make her visit less stressful. That was at 9 am in the morning...Sept 12Th...Everything at the vets office seemed to go well, and the techs felt that the valium had helped her to be less anxious. That was at 10 am.....Two-bits seemed fine...we took her home, and she took a nap. At 3pm she woke up, and could not stand,could not walk, could not hold her head up....was breathing rapidly...and my husband and I thought she must be dying....so we took her to the vets, and asked if it might be the valium making her act that way....we were told, that they couldn't be sure, but did not think so.....They said that valium is typically short lived and felt it should have been out of her system by then....especially since the dose we gave her was only half of what is normally prescribed. Reluctantly....we had her euthanized....I have regreted that decision ever since...It haunts me. I feel as though the valium tricked me into thinking that she was near death. The research I have done leaves me wondering....She was 15 years old....the vet said she could have weeks to months left to live, with treatment....the internet says months to years with treatment....now I feel like I cut her life too short....I know Chronic Kidney Disease is not curable. Treatment is really a supportive measure to slow the progression, and ease symptoms. I guess what really bothers me, is that I feel like I didn't get the chance to try to help her, as much as I wanted too. I love her so much. Help your dog and yourself....and do as much research as you can, before he is gone....My research Which is now too late, does lead me to believe that the combination of Metroclopramide..(which was given at 3 am...and the valium that was given at 9 am...were both delayed in getting into her system..(because of poor kidney function)....and they both peaked at 3pm in her system, causing the behaviors that made me think she was dying.) Metroclopramide and Valium ( diazepam ) should be given with extreme caution in dogs with decreased kidney function.
What have I learned....
1. Do the research before it is too late.
2. Everything I did, was because of my love for her...and if it was a mistake, the best I can hope for is to learn from it.....
3. If you have.... ANY DOUBTS.....about wheather it is time to have your dog euthanized....then.... IT IS NOT TIME.
4.Guilt is harder to deal with than doubt.
Colin...I love and miss Two-bits so much....my thoughts are with you during this very difficult time...I know that whatever decisions you make for Nanny will be made because you love her, and that is never wrong. I will be sure to say a prayer for you both...give her lots of hugs and kisses, and let her know she is the best friend in the world...Connie
Thanks very much for your reply ,the vet has said its hardly worth doing a kidney flush ,her words were its time to prepare for her passing ,that her
kidneys have packed up ,nanny is still alert ,she will not eat her regular
food but will eat chicken/turkey/and suprisingly eaw eggs in the morning ,she is going for small walks etc ,she
has been sick a couple of times in last 4 days ,this disease is evil its so hard to watch something you love just dieing ,the main problem is trying
to stop weight loss ..
We had a yorkie ourselfs max lovely dog, we had to have him put to sleep
he was aged 16 ,he had ,had chrones disease for about a year ,to be honest I think we waited too long in his case he really didnt know what was going on in the end .
Im thinking of getting a second opinion and trying a kidney flush anyway
if it dont work nothing lost .. thanks a lot ,any updates I will post here ..
The posts here are heartbreaking ,,its just so unfair ..Ill post later and let people know whats happening, nannysmum is off to find some tums hopefully they will help for a few days if she has that long left ,I gave her half a phenergan last nite after she ate she has not been sick today so perhaps they help as well ,the weight loss is unreal and that alone will
lead to us making a decision ,our whole lives revolve around her holidays that she will enjoy etc ,we are always talking about her ,the void that will be left will be extreme .. bye for now .
Yes, the posts are heartbreaking....I started to read many of them, and had to stop....But I can say that it is somehow comforting to know that our dogs have people who love them so very much. They are our family, our children.
I am so hoping that the efforts you and your wife are making, will help give Nanny some extra time to be with you. It sounds like you and your wife are doing a wonderful job to give her the best care you can.....Nanny is in good hands. I will be praying for you all, My thoughts are with you...I will be watching for your updates.
Nanny spent the day in vets yesterday having IV fluids ,she came home looking better ,then she ate chicken and pasta ,2 hours later she vomited
the vomit is full of foam obviously acid ,we have zantac tablets which she is now taking also anti nausea tablets ,and another lot of tablets to make her eat which she has just taken ,we will give her 1 or 2 days more but
I am not prepaired to watch her suffer her mouth has small burns from the acid already ,I would do anything humanly possible for her ,our hearts are
broke looking at her ,but we can do nothing ,I would just like to give some
advice to anyone else who reaches this stage ,and that is not to fight a
fight you cannot win it is not fair on your dog ,let them go with what ever
dignity they have left ,nanny is a pround beautiful dog ,she wants my help
but i cant help her ,I will love her forever amd miss her longer ,but you have
to be brave and strong ,this disease is worse than cancer at least with
that there is a certain amount of pain management and even a chance of
recovery ,with kidney failure there is neither for dogs ..
She is still walking she is still responding ,but most of all she is DYING
if it were me me i would not want to spend weeks vomiting acid and in pain
there is pain if your stomach is full of acid and ur mouth is burnt and it
will get worse an worse ,as ive said ill give her another day or two see if we
can control the acid and get her to eat again failing that ,we will say goodbye to our darling angel .
on another 2 points ,she is stretching alot ,and appears to be in discomfort while passing urine ,both down to acid being in her stomach .
A tip for people giving tablets, to crush them ,get two table spoons
place the tablet in bottom spoon then put the other spoon on top
and press down till crushed , u have the tablet
ready in the spoon to give to ur dog, if u have someone with you get them to hold his mouth open and put cushed tablet on tongue ,most of tablet will
then be consumed as he cant get it out as it will start to dissolve and stick
to his tounge a syringe of water can then be fired in to complete the process :-) fortunately im able to open nannys mouth and place tablets on back of her tongue ,while holding her mouth open ,not something i would
advise everyone to do :-)
Colin....after you crush the tablets...add a small amount of fluid....suck it up into a small medicinal syringe and then give it to Nanny that way.... If you don't have a 5ml syringe...you can get one from the vet, or any pharmacy Target Walmart etc. .... they can usually be found in the childrens aisle by the cold medicines.........also, she may be willing to eat some crushed ice.
I'm so sorry that you and Nanny have to go through this....my thoughts are with you many times a day.....I check this site every couple of hours....thank you for the updates....I wish there was something I could do to help. You are good Parents for Nanny.....and she knows it.
Connie, she has had 1 cerinia tablet it didnt work ,tried to give her another ,its now very hard for her to keep anything down at all i gave her further tablets she threw them back up .. she had bad hiccups managed to crush 2 tums got them down and hiccups have stopped ,she is now resting thank god ..
Ill give an update in morning ,going to give her half a phrenegan and another tums in an hour or so ,hopefully she will be comfortable through
the night .. thanks for your replies ..
gums are bleeding now and mouth very sore ,the smallest amount of anything she is trying bring up ...
Ive never ever seen anything thing like this, if there is a worse ending to
anyones life i would not like to see it ,ive had my share of grief throughout
my life which i will not go into ,but this is perhaps the hardest thing I have
had to suffer and that is saying something ..
anyway till tomorrow I say goodnight and once again thanks to everyone
who has ever posted on here reading the experiences has prepared me in
a way for what was going to happen ..
I just got home from work, and checked for your update...
I am so very sorry , I know how your heart must be breaking. It is so difficult to watch someone you love leave you... You feel so helpless.... I wish I knew the right words to console you ....I know you will not be getting any sleep tonight...I know you will be right by her side....I know you are doing everything you can to try to ease her pain. Nanny knows that too. I share the heartache you are going through, I do understand how much she is loved....She is a member of your family. My thoughts and prayers will be with you again tonight....Connie
I thought of you and Nanny all night. I got up a 3 am and checked for updates...I wasn't really expecting to see any, but I thought I should check anyway, just in case you needed someone to talk to.
I know how difficult the days ahead will be for you and NannysMum....I understand your grief. If either one of you need to share your feelings with someone who understands your loss, please do not hesitate to express them with me. It is a comfort to talk with others who understand how much you love your dog, and what a significant loss you are going through.
I will check the posts at least once a day, but most likely twice a day. I hope to hear from you.
Again, please accept my deepest sympathy and know that you are not alone.
God Bless Nanny and Two-bits.....
Dreadful loss ,but im happy nanny has gone ,could not watch her suffer,
once she had stopped eating and drinking ,the time to go had come .
force feeding is not the way to go with this disease ,the acid reflux
the dogs are suffering is unreal ,and you have to take into account the toxins that are flowing in their blood ,the kindest thing is to let them
go peacefully,there is no cure ,and i really feel for people who will stumble
upon this forum in the same position we were in ,nan will never be forgotten
and there is a massive void where she once was ,but i know i have done
the right thing at the right time ,we could have probably kept her a week
or more longer ,but not eating and continuessly vomitting is not living
and is only making the suffering worse for your dog ..
MY ONLY ADVICE TO PEOPLE WHO HEAR THE WORDS
CHRONIC RENAL FAILURE FROM THE VET ,IS BE PREAPAIRED
TO SAY GOODBYE ,MAKE SURE THEY DO NOT LOSE THEIR
DIGNITY ,MOST OF ALL DO NOT LET THEM SUFFER ,WHERE
POSSIBLE GET YOUR VET TO COME TO YOUR HOUSE ,YOUR
ANGEL WILL GO TO SLEEP IN YOUR ARMS ,WITH NO FEAR
IN HER EYES ... I am sorry that is the only advice I can give but
sadly ,that is it ...
thanks to connie and all ... Colin ..
Thanks for your honesty...I am still having a difficult time with the fact that I think I euthanized Two-bits too soon....It eats at me...I keep thinking that she would probably still be here. Then when I read these posts, I wonder if possibly the "mistake" that I feel I made, was actually a blessing in disquise. I would have loved nothing more, than to still have her here with us....but after reading others posts, I try to tell myself, that at least she will not have to go through that kind of suffering.
I have thought often of the words you used about Nanny....
How she left...."Brave and Beautiful" These words echo in my mind, and give me comfort. That is how I try to think of Two-Bits....Thank-you.
Nanny left you with a legacy of love, and that love keeps growing even when they are gone...They are always with us.
Check in once in a while and let me know how you and Nannys Mum are doing.
I,m not really sure, how long I will continue to use this forum, But.....
If you have Facebook, please feel free to look me up....
Until next time....my thoughts are with you.....Connie Lanser
The house is empty without her I hate comimg home on my own .
Her corner is still as it was ,the toys are sitting waiting for her to come home :-(.. we will leave it for a week then pack her things away ,thinking of
getting a photo to canvas painting done ,it would grace any wall :-)
hope ur keeping well ,time is a great healer it takes away the pain
eventually ,but it always leaves the love ..
p,s its great to log in and see no new cases are on here .that is a great thing :-)
Good Morning Colin...
I know what you mean about the emptiness....I feel it too. All day, and during the night. especially when I go to bed, or wake up in the middle of the night. It is so quiet. I use to listen to her gentle snoring to help me fall asleep, and now that is gone. I have a husband and 3 other dogs, but none of them snore very often.
Time does help with the healing...but the pain never gets less, it just comes less often, and eventually,only when you allow it to do so. It has been about 5 weeks since TwoBits left. I still question everything that happened, and spend hours on the internet looking for something that will convince me that she would not have had much longer to live, and that her quality of life would have not been good. You see, she had a lot of symptoms.....but her creatinine was only at a 3...her Bun was 125....her phosporus was 9....unfortunately everything I see on the internet typically shows much higher readings before death.
I do know during the week we were treating her, she seemed to be getting worse....and her breath was so horrible you could smell it from 6 feet away.
My Grandfather died of kidney failure. My Mom says he was so sick, it was terrible. Mom says I did Twobits a favor, so she won't have to suffer like that.
A painting would be nice, but even a photo is great....It gives us something to talk too. I talk to Two Bits picture several times a day...I also have 3 other dogs who I refer to as my "support group" ....lots of love in this house..!
Colin, Thank-you so much for your support, I was glad to see you posted another comment....during all the research I've been doing....YOU have been the best thing I found....= ) Thanks for the friendship.....Connie
I lost moritz to crf yesterday...he was a 10 year old golden lab my best friend and a true hero.
We discovered it a year ago, is creatinine was 2 so the vet told us to change to k/d which we did. He had no symptoms at all unless maybe being a little bit less active. Then this year on August we re- did the labs and the results were terrifying as his creatinine was 8 and urea 180 Sistolic BP 180. And he still had no symptoms except for the loss of appetitte.We had him medicated with everything: ranitidine, amlodipine, maalox, metoclopramide, IV and subQ fluids.we did them again 2 times in september and october and the numbers were even higher: the last ones were creatinine 11 urea 275. only in this final weeks did he vomite and lost strentgh. He didn t want to eat K/D so we switched to royal canine renal but that only worked for 3 days then we started giving him everything he loved because we're desperate to get him eating. turkey, chicken, meatballs, even fish and french fries! And he actually gained 1 pound in one week and was more active! we we're still holding on to the miracle but then everything happened very fast and i just had to watch him fade away getting sicker every day during this last week. i couldn't leave his side because i was terrified he would die suddenly and alone. In the last 36 hours he wouldn't eat,or move, he just couldn't get up, his breath was uremic and the reflux was unbearable, he couldn't even hold his eyelids. The vet said it was time for him to go and so he did peacefully in the home where he had always lived.
It was a true miracle how could he stand such high numbers without complaints. Vets have no explanation for these. Part of me thinks that he was waiting for my boyfriend (who is studying abroad) to come so that i would have some support because he died one day after his arrival
.He was my brave hero and i will never forget him. I had him when i was 11 and since then we were always best friends.
Its really hard to come home and not having him running at you wagging his tail no matter what. sleeping(and snoring) in my bed no matter how many times i tried to make him sleep in his own bed,always following me around the house, playing with the ball, asking for food, getting mad when it was time fot his walk...
i hope that with time the emptyness will fade away a little bit because right now is just too big...
I'll see you on the otherside my dear dear Moritz
Just a tragic horrible disease ,as you say the void left is so hard ,its over a week since nan died but just managed to clear her corner today ,I left one
of her toys out ,he can stay on the settee ,its really heart breaking ,I was
in tears last night looking at a video on my phone ..
So hard when something you love is just taken away ,and you can do
nothing about ,moritz going to sleep at home was best way he probably
just thought he was going off for a nap ,hes in peace now and he knows
you all miss him ,but he would not want you to ,all i can say is that time
heals ,so chin up and try to smile when u think of him ,he would like you
smiling not crying ...
Glad to be of any help ,and so sad to see moritzt on here seems to be a never ending thread of heartache,which nevertheless is full of so much love and compassion ,we are like lost souls ,but we must remember
how lucky we were to have and to hold our old friends ,the memories
we can treasure forever ,they cant be taken away :-) ...
I am so sorry to hear of your loss. I know what a difficult time this is for you.
I tell others, that what is important to remember, is How they Lived, and Not How they Left . I am trying hard to do this for myself, and remember all the good years my Two-Bits had with us...15 very good years.
You say Moritz was your Hero.....I am sure he felt the same about you.
I hope the sadness you feel now, will soon be replaced with wonderful memories of the 10 years you had together.
Please accept my deepest sympathies, and take comfort in knowing that there are others who understand how much he meant to you.
After reading your note to MoritizT....I was wishing I would have kept one of Two Bittys toys. I buried them with her. I do have one of her old collars though. It is ok to keep some of those things. It makes me feel close to her again, and even though it hurts, it is, ....in a strange way comforting as well. Just like the video you were watching of Nan. I thought your idea of having Nanny's portrait done was nice....I even thought about it for Two Bits, but figured if I did it for her, I would also need portraits of ALL my other dogs who have passed on.
I would have to learn how to paint, or take out a loan...!
I still cry everday....but I know that with time, I will somehow learn how to accept everything that happened. I have been telling my self that Two Bits would not want me crying like this everyday.....I know how much she loves me, and I'm sure she wants me to try and remember the good times we had. If she were here, she would lick my face,and wag her tail, her way of trying to tell me that everything will be all right. She was such a wonderful dog. She always wanted to take care of us.....Gosh....I miss her . But just because they are gone, doesn't mean you stop loving them....
From One Lost Soul....to another.....Thanks for listening, and Understanding.
thank you for your comments its very helpfull to know you're not alone and people understand the suffering. for me the hardest part is being home without him, the house just feels so empty. i keep having the feeling he'll be right around the corner, and i was just so used to having him chase me around...i'm trying to spend as much time has i can away from home and that helps a little bit...anyway thank you very much and i'll try to focuse on the 10 great years we had!
hope we all can feel better everyday until only good memories remain!
(We´ll have to excuse my english spelling ´cause its not my first language =)
Yes, the atmosphere around your house is so different when your dog is gone. It is difficult to get use to the change. The changes are such sad reminders of the dog you lost and love so much.
I read once, that a home without a dog, is like a garden without a flower.
I believe that.
Even with my other 3 dogs in my house, I still miss the presense of Two Bits.
Even my other dogs cannot fill that void. It just goes to show you how much each dog is different, and how we love each one for who they are. Each is so unique from the other. And like a snowflake....no two are exactly the same.
Find a way to pay Tribute to Moritz...honor your hero....it will make him proud, and you will feel better.
Let us know how you are doing.....Connie
Hello! i'm still avoiding being at home...i just can't deal yet with the silence and emptiness.His collars and bed still smell of him and i cant help constantly looking at his photos and remembering him around the house. We're waiting for his ashes ans we're going to spread them in the garden he loved so that he can always live here! i think time will help a lot and i m doing a little bit better trying to be ocupied. my brother wants to have another dog...i dont know about that its too soon...moritz was MY dog above all and i know the responsability it brings and then the pain it causes.It could feel the void but never substitute moritz who was the most beautiful, smartest lab ever, you could talk to him like if he was a person. these are hard days but i know i did everything i could for him, and that he was a very lucky, spoiled, happy and loved dog and is better of now with no suffering. that brings me some peace. But i m pretty sure i'll never love a nother dog has i loved my moritz
Each person deals with the grief of losing their dog in different ways. Some people need to allow themselves time to deal with the greiving before they take on the responsibility of another dog. You know yourself best. If you are the person who would be taking care of the new dog, then ...you are the one who should decide when it is time . I can tell you that it is silly to think that a new dog can replace Moritz. You know that is impossible. All of us who love our dogs, know that is impossible. Do Not make the mistake of expecting your new dog to "Replace Moritz" .....that is not fair to the new dog. If that is what you would expect of him, then Now is not the right time to get another dog.
You say you will never love another dog the way you love Moritz.....So don't expect that of yourself. Instead, expect to love the new dog for himself, and not who you want him to be. Moritz was special to you, and because of that, you will always have a special love for him. All dogs are special...and if you allow them to be who they are, each one can hold his own special place in your heart.Remember.....when you get another dog...he is not Moritz's replacement...he is just picking up where Moritz left off....he will be Moritz's partner, and he will continue the legacy of love....in his own way.
You and Moritz were lucky to have each other.
My thoughts and prayers are with you.....Connie
Please forgive all mistakes made in this post as i am in such a mess at the moment emotionaly that i don't know if i am coming or going.
6 months ago our beloved 10 year old rescue English Bull Terrier,Florence,died very unexpectantly after a very minor operation,the shock of loosing her left us devestated,however if there was going to be a silver lining to this tragic event, it was that i was told about another bull terrier desperatly needing a home,we could't say no as we believed that Florence had sent her to us to help us in our time of grief.So Myrtle a 2 year old Bull terrier came into our life a couple of weeks after loosing Florence.
Myrtle arrived in a whirlwind of bouncing,wagging tale ,joy and sooooooooooo much unconditional love,which was all the more amazing as she had had a terrible start to her life,it took her a month to learn how to walk properly after having been kept in a small cage all her life,and she was covered in a very serious case of mange.None of this stopped her though especially her joy at bouncing and running once she new how to.We fell in love with her immediatly.
2 weeks ago this vibrant little being suddenly started loosing weight,she had come into season ,although we had been told that she had been spaed,but as no one had any of her previous medical records,we could not be sure of this,so we were not too concerened initialy.We had a blood test done.
Myrtle was rushed to hospital last thursday for agressive fluid treatment for stage 4 kidney failure and her ultra sound showed that her kidneys were mishaped and too small.
We picked her up on Tuesday,and she has come home to die,The hospital can do no more except to give us enough medince to keep her stable for a week.I have tried to give her all her medicines ,but when ever i give it to her ,she spits it out ,and looks at me as if to say ,i dont want to do this anymore Mum,she is sleepng alot and barely eating ,no matter what we try to tempt her with,and all i can think of selfishly is take your medicine so that i can have ONE MORE DAY WITH YOU,PLEASE GOD!
I Don't know what to do,we are so close to the end now,do i force her to take her medicine so that we get another 2 days possibly with her ?.Today has been a good day as she has eaten a little and has even got up and barked at noises,How long do i let this go on for before i play God.
I am finding any decissions imposiable especially so soon after loosing Florence and because this divine little soul is so young ,and we have NOT had enough time with her.
Please please if anyone caould give some advice we would be so greatful.Thank you
I am so very sorry to hear about Myrtle and her kidney failure. But I am very happy to hear that she found such wonderful people to love and care for her.
She will leave this world knowing that someone loves her.
Have you tried boiling some chicken drumsticks....? You could wrap the pills in the meat, and she might take them that way....? Connie
You're myrtle was very lucky to have you because she spent this last months very very happy! the last days are hard but there are a few tricks to feed them! i boiledl chicken and pasta together with a little olive oil and i put them in a plate(moritz wouldn't eat from his bowl) with a little water. this way he would also drink some water at the same time! then i went on to meatballs with pasta. i would also hand feed him and that's when i would put the pills inside the meat!. SQ fluids also help and metoclopramide and ranitidine are great for nausea. i hope myrtle bounces back a little so that you can have more time!!
I have been thinking of your post all night.
I wish I had some clear answers for you. I know you are struggling with the whole situation. The I.V. fluid therapy may help Myrtle feel a little better for awhile. I am praying that it will. I know you are wondering if you should force feed her...I know you are wondering when you should help her die. These are difficult and personal decisions that only you can make. Again, I'm so sorry.
Have you tried hand feeding the soft boiled chicken? If she isn't eating, you could try to crush the meds between 2 spoons....add a little water...about a teaspoon...and suck it up into a small syringe. ( the kind you use for childrens liquid medicines ) ....tuck the syringe into the corner of her mouth so you get the meds closer to the back of her throat, and slowing squirt it in...
Putting some ice cubes in her water, may entice her to drink a little.
If she is not drinking...she may eat ice chips if you hand feed them to her.
My heart aches for you both. I know you are trying to do the best you can for her because you love her....she knows this too.
Please keep us informed....
My thoughts and prayers are with you.....Connie
I just read your post. I know it's old but it made me feel better about the decision my husband and I have to make. We have an Alaskan Malamute he is only 7 and has renal failure. He didn't eat for two weeks but has started to get his appetite back and is eating almost every day now. There is no vomiting, he is lethargic and has lost 4 kilos in two weeks. He is not drinking enough. The vets can't tell us if this is chronic or accute renal failure. I hear accute can be fixed which makes me not want to put him down and chronic can't be treated which makes me want to put himout of his misery. He isn't the same happy dog he used to be, at times we see glimmers of the old him. He has had the odd seizure, I don't know what to do. A part of me is not ready to stop fighting for him and a part of me never wants him to have to go through what your Cissy went through. How do I find the strength to make the right decision?
Hi I just found this post- My Jojo has been gone a week now and I still can't believe she has left. She was approx 19 year old Shiba Inu who adopted me off the streets in Austin Texas. She was the happiest, coolest doggie and I used to sing "Walkin My Dog Named Cat" ( a take off of the reverse) because she was cat-like and so dainty and lady like. She never barked and always had her self intact! We moved to the country about 15 years ago after I'd had her for 4 or 5 years. We had a wild time learning how to be country folk, but she loved the sounds, smells, fields to run thru and the little river frogs down on the banks of our river. I always had to watch her though because Shibas are famous for running off (always to return), but with rattlers, coyotes, cactus and such I was a strict mom. I also got her a friend, Ralph, the border collie, since I travel.
She was with me thru chemo, the deaths of my mom, sis and best friend, two aunts and my fave cat....she was my best friend ever for 18 years. She survived floods, tornados, cats, coon, cows and skunks; although a few chickens lost feathers when she was younger ;(
About 3.5 years ago I found her "stuck" in the hallway- gazing at nothing and seemingly weak and confused. I took her right to the vet who told me she was in kidney failure and could have 2 months or two years. We began immediate KD and some Sub-q treatment. BY the Grace of God she rallied and her counts went way down for years!!! What a miracle that was. She was slowing down a bit due to age and joints, but basically I had my diggity dog back for 3 more years before it hit the fan.
About March this year, she started acting goofy and lost her hearing. Then she started getting "stuck" again and I think her eyes were going. About 6 weeks ago she quit the KD, and like many of you, I just gave her whatever she wanted. She loved it!! Me and her and Ralph went on baby walks every night and she seemed to come alive more than not and still loved us dearly. I wonder if that was the kidney disease or if she had some dementia that caused her to wobble and get stuck in corners? Anyone know? But she was not in pain that I could see except her arthritis.
But as you all know it just kept going downhill- finally Sunday night she didn't really want her yummy food, but ate a little. Monday she was letting flies get on her- I hated that. Tuesday I took her in for a ck up and she had Creatnine 120, BUN 6ish. Pancreatitis was also becoming a problem- does anyone know what's up with that?? She was not vomiting or anything on that day. My vet gave her antibiotic and anti-inflamatory shot and gave us a homemade diet-
I assume he thought she would pull out yet again. BUT.
That night she was very sedate and hardly liked her walk- she did not eat-
I had been telling her she could go if she needed to for a while- I had been begging God to heal her or take her, as I knew she needed to be enjoying her life. And that was my criteria for the "when will I know?" decision. I also prayed all along for her to go in her sleep, as I did not want to have to make that call.....
Wed. morn she could barely get up and there was a bit of clear foam around her mouth- I took her back to our vet. She was totally calm the whole way, but not very alert. I kept my hand on her on the ride and could feel her heart racing.
When we got the vet she had a first seizure and I left her there while waiting for him to finish a surgery- alas when he called me he said it was very grave and her labs had shot up and she was stressed by the symptoms so he had sedated her and given her some meds to make her comfy. He suggested we kindly let her go on. God. He was willing to give it over night, but I know she was tired.
He told me she was totally out of it and would not know if I was there or not- so I chose to stay here in prayer for us all. Had I known the condition of things I would not have left the vet that morning, but honestly, I thought I'd be back to get her!!! Denial anyone? My vet is 20 minutes away and I am amazed she was so calm all the way there. She was awesome and I miss her so bad.
I dreaded this day and I can't tell you guys what's right for you, but even tho I was not by her side, I am glad she did not have to go all the way into the bad stuff. My vet did tell me it was not a good way to die for dogs. If you are wondering what to do, that's what I know. I know with so many praying friends on this forum, that we are all doing the best we can under horrible, heartbreaking extremes. I think part of heaven is forgiveness and even if we unintentionally made mistakes with our furry people, they way forgive us and look forward to our reunion.
Jodi Isis Foster has a beautiful gravesite on my land and I helped lay her body to rest where me and Ralph go talk to her every morn. I live too far from crematoriums, so we had a burial. I have never had that before as all my family chose the fire, so this is a new way of coping with our loss.
God bless Jodi and God bless us all for trying to be the best we can to these loving loyal companions. Let's hope kidney disease gets stamped out soon.
(I do wonder if she got some of that bad chinese food, but I generally feed them pretty good stuff?)
Take strength in your decisions and know that regardless you are loved by your dogs- peace.
I am sorry to hear about your dog....You mentioned that your dog is not drinking, but ...You do not mention in your post, wheather or not your dog is receiving any type of fluid therapy. Fluid Therapy is essential for dogs with kidney issues. The sooner you can get some fluid therapy going, the better.
For the initial treatment, Fluids are typically given at the vets office intravenously...( to help flush the kidneys, and remove toxins from the blood )....and then, you can continue with Sub Q fluids at home, as needed.
If your dog is not receiving fluid therapy...get it as soon as possible..! Do Not Delay....Do it today...!
Please keep in touch, and let us know how things are going.
My thoughts and prayers are with you both.
Thank-you for sharing your story. 19 years is an amazing life for a dog...!
In your letter you mentioned that Jodi would, at times, seem confused, and you wondered why. Disorientation, and incoordination....can both be symptoms of kidney disease. From what I understand, it is due to the accumulation of toxins and lower oxygen levels in the blood stream . ( My dog would act confused, and would stumble when she was walking. )
I am so sorry to hear of your loss...I know how difficult the days ahead can be...Please accept my heartfelt sympathy and prayers....God did bless Jodi, and he continues to do so.
thank you for the info connie- i guess there is a point beyond which the good shepherd is in charge- i wondered what was causing the dementia, but i figured with her eyesight and age maybe it was part of the aging process. she was happy till august and ok since then. i was so glad to find this forum as i too dealt with all the guilt and angst after her passing. just hard to know the right thing. since i wasn't there with her that last hour, i have fought the lies in my mind. i KNOW i loved her and asked for the perfect loving death. i know my vet is very compassionate but ideally wished i coulda been there. she was starting to have seizures and now i see that is a beginning of the end.
who knew all this when we go into these relations with our little friends?
I had my dog euthanized about 8 weeks ago. I still question my decision......and wrestle with the feeling of guilt. I feel I may have ended her life too soon....I feel like I let her down, and cut her life too short.
It seems that many of us regret some decision or another....we feel guilty about the choices we made and question why we made them, we wish things would have been different...You are not alone.
Because we do not want our animals to suffer,It seems to me, that a vast majority of us, seem to feel that euthanasia is the right thing to do.....but the decision we battle most about, is the Timing of it. I can tell you, that no matter when we make the decision to end their life....Most of us will question the TIMING of it . Should I have done it sooner or should I have waited till later...? It seems that no matter when or how our dogs die, the timing is never right, and we will always wish something would have been different. Sadly,Our dogs always leave us too soon.
Ultimately ,you made the decision when you did, because you did not want her to suffer any longer...not even a minute longer.
I am so sorry that you could not be by her side when she left, but do not think you were not with her....You were with her for 19 years....when she left, she was in a deep restful slumber and you were with her in her dreams. You are with her still. Here is a quote from a poem ....
"It broke your heart to lose her,but she did not go alone....
Part of you went with her, the day God called her home."
My thoughts and prayers are with you...Connie
So sad to see others are on here their loved ones suffering from CRF ...
I will be to the point ,once they are refusing food completely ,and are still vomiting
up acid ,it is time for them to go to sleep ,what we have to realise is that
with every beat of their hearts poison is travelling around their body ,they
cannot tell us ,but i can tell you this ,I had cuddled and kissed nanny ,
from just that i had an acid burn on my lip where a bit of her salive was on
her fur ,the saddest thing is that they will try not to show illness until it
is basically the end ,its the way they are,they try not to show weakness.
My heart goes out to u all ,lamonds that your fellow has started eating again sounds like it may well be acute ,if that is the case they can help
you could have years let alone months left ,the vet will know by his blood.
fingers crossed and g luck :-) with connie and others u have certainly found the right place if u need help :-)
Thanks for checking in...I have been wondering how things are going for you. I hope you are doing well.
I am healing slowly....but , I am finding ways to deal with the loss, and accept the decisions I made.
Thank-you for your candid honesty.... It helps me .... I'm sure it will help others who struggle with the decision of euthanasia.
Did you decide to have a portrait of Nanny painted...? If so, I would love to see it posted....!
Until then, I wish you many wonderful memories of Nanny.....and I hope she will visit you in your dreams.... :-)
My Cookie (seven years yellow lab) was diagnosed at 4.6 Crea last year sept. The vet gave her a few more days! we had her on renal diet and azodyl supplements of various kinds and she was practically normal till this Sept. since then she has failed rapidly. Crea is at 10.8 and BUN 257 I just left her a the vet for iv this morning- she has stopped eating. She still drinks some water. Throws up every other day and has steadily been losing weight and haemoglobin. She seems weak and tired- but you should see her spirit! She listens for the kids coming home and rouses herself to greet them. Wants my hand on her almost all the time- I've moved her bed next to mine now. I wake up to find her looking at me in the dark...She has always been my baby...so many memories of her already crowding my head...
The worst part is that her stools are now melenic- I wonder if she is in pain because of the ulceration and bleeding inside- does anyone know if it hurts?
She comes over to sit with me when I have my breakfast and will sniff at everything and examine it- and then looks at me as if to say- go ahead you'll enjoy thisand nudge me to eat it even if she cant...
I am so sorry to hear about Cookie. I hope the I.V. treatment she is receiving, will help to alleviate some of her symptoms. When you pick her up from the vets office, ask about Sub Q fluids. This is something they can teach you quickly, and you can do it at home. The Fluids will help keep her hydrated and help the body to eliminate some of the toxins.
There are many medications available that will help ease the nausea and vomiting.....diarrhea....and ulcers.
Talk with your vet about these.
Please keep in touch, and let us know how things are going.
My thoughts and prayers are with you both.
My boxer, who is 5, is in the end stages of this wicked disease. He is so lifeless and won't eat a thing. We're feeding him baby food and beef broth through a syringe. My heart is so broken as we had to put his brother to sleep two months ago due to untreatable colon cancer. The vet said he has about a month to live. When I say, "let's go for a ride" he becomes a puppy again so I can't put him to sleep just yet. I hope I will be given the "sign" when the time has come, but for now I watch him and hold him and kiss him constantly.....my precious babies leaving me is horrible!
Yes...this is a wicked disease...Everyone on this forum will agree with you ...!
I am so very sorry to hear about both of your dogs. I know you are doing the best you can for him, and he knows it too. Please, don't hesitate to come to this forum for support. There are many wonderful people who know what you are going through, and understand what you may be feeling.
My thoughts and prayers are with you both....
My dog is dying with renal failure. My companion, my best friend, the puppy who grew into the keeper of my deepest secrets is dying. I've read every post here and realize, just now I realize, there is no cure for her, no turning back, no way for me or anyone to make her better again. She looks at me with her soulful eyes and still, despite her weakness, her acid-filled vomits, she knows I am unable to let her go--so she fights to stay alive--for me. I know this, and I feel selfish for not being brave enough to say goodbye. I know I have to, but I truly thought, I believed, despite what the vet said, I truly thought she would pull out from this. If she leaves, I will feel so alone, so alone.
I am sorry. I forgot to mention how sorry I am for all the losses and struggles each of you have gone through, and to thank all who have posted here for sharing their stories. There is a horror that faces me that I wasn't aware of until I read this forum. The horror is I have to decide whether to keep an animal alive who is weak in body but still present in mind. If I let her go, will she die on her own without drugs to poison her there? If she knows I am ready to say goodbye, will she go to sleep by herself as I hold her sweet puppy-smelling head with those big dopey ears she loved to flop side to side when she used to run up to me and put her big head on my lap? Who will go to the beach with me next summer and help me find the perfect piece of driftwood to cart back home as if we both had found a treasure?
I am so very sorry to hear about your dog.....Please tell us more.
What is her name...?
How old is she, and what is her breed..?
What stage of the disease is she in...?
What are her symptoms...?
Is she getting Sub q fluids..or medications..?
Was she recently diagnosed with it ?
Maybe someone on this forum will be able to offer suggestions to help you....and in turn, your dogs story may help someone else.
My heart aches for you...and your precious dog. I know how difficult the days ahead will be for you....Please know, that you have found the right place to express yourself....you are with people who understand how much you love your dog....Our dogs are our family....
Give her lots of hugs and kisses...tell her how much it means to you that she is part of your family....and tell her that she is the best friend in the world.
My thoughts and prayers are with you both.
Thank you so much Connie. I cry most every day, for the loss of not only my precious baby Jasper who passed in August, but also having to go through this kidney failure with his brother. I am doing everything I can to make his days comfortable. He is taking baby food quite well and drinking water. His spirit seems to have perked up some and this makes me feel somewhat better. We go for car rides and walks every day and Jax gets so excited to go. It is not his time to go just yet, but I know he will tell me when it's time.
Debbie, I'm right there with you. My dogs are my babies. My Jasper, who I lost two months ago to incurable colon cancer, was always my shadow, under my feet and everywhere. He would howl when I would sing, he would even come into the bathroom with me and have his ears rubbed. I feel as if I've lost a part of myself, as if an arm or leg is cut off. And now I have to go through it again with his brother, Jax, only 2 months later. All we can do is make our babies as comfortable as possible and do what we have to do. My boxers are my best friends, they love me unconditionally and I love them just the same. I think you are the same as me! When I'm sad or not feeling well or happy, whatever the situation, they know and offer comfort or share in the happiness. We are sad now, but there will come a time when we will recall the happy, funny times versus the sad times we are experiencing now.
Thanks for your kind words. She is a sweet eight-year-old collie/dobie mix. This came on suddenly with an abrupt refusal of food, except for people food, she stopped eating all dog food (of any kind, and I tried everything). Then she stopped eating, being fussy. I took her to the vet because she was getting thin, but still very active and playful. They said she had less than 20% of her kidney function left. Part of me thinks (the consipiracy part of my brain) that something was replaced in all dog foods because of the expense of all foods lately (human food too). So maybe the put some terrible replacement in dog food to keep the cost the same (or not increase it too much), and my dog was sensitive to it. She refused ALL dog food--every type you can think of. I just don't know how this came on so suddenly. RIght now she is so thin I cannot bear to look at her, I keep her in sweaters (of course these keep her warm too). The vet said I could do a temporary 3-4 night hospital stay where they would give her IV's to make her less toxic, but that it would be only a temporary measure, and then she'd be back where she is today. I simply cannot afford this elaborate expense, but even if I could, would making her comfortable for a short time, only to go through this AGAIN--is this torture? I think so. I tend to her round the clock, have taken time from work, I know it may seem foolish to some to do this, but I cherish her greatly and she has been my companion and I have taken her everywhere where here (in the strict USA (regarding dogs)) she is okay'd to go. The antiacid reflux medicine the vet said to give her only makes her throw up worse, so I have been using lots of TUMS (I read this on this board, thanks). I crush them and put them in a bit of milk and them freeze them and when I put them in her mouth, they melt and she swallows them. Her throat and mouth is full of acid, you can smell it, and this is one thing I cannot figure out how to help her with. She cannot stand or walk on her own. She's such a good dog, she will only go outside to pee or poo, and she'll let me know if she feels like throwing up and I take her outside, as quick as I can, and she throws up until I think her body is too weak to do it any longer. Every move I make, she has the strength to lift her head and watch me. She will wag her tail, and I know she is hungry (she was a big eater before this). She outright hates any dog food, even prescription renal food. So I give her baby food (as others have done here, as I've read). Her favorite is banana--so I decided to use fresh bananas. I mush them up and feed her them with a spoon. Sometimes she'll lap the dish. She is sleeping 70% of the day and 80% of the night. She wakes up (I think) because she's so hungry---but she cannot keep anything down that is substantial enough to make her stop feeling starved. She is starving, isn't she? How do I get food into her? The vet says "do the best you can", and I've done this, but what else can I give her besides bananas, babyfood and milk-Tum ice bits? Thank you again for your replies (Connie and boxermommy), and I am sorry for all the pain you are going through, or have suffered through from pets gone already.
It is so difficult to lose 2 dogs in such a short span. 4 years ago, I went through that kind of loss. My chihuahua and my boxer died 3 months apart. No one should have to go through that type of loss. I am so sorry that you are dealing with this....It has been 4 years....and I still cry....and now My Two Bits is gone.
The 3 of them grew up together....it breaks my heart that they are gone, but they are together again.....Oh...how we love our dogs...!
I know there is nothing I can do to help, but I wanted you to know, that I have been there....My thoughts and prayers are with you and your beautiful boxer boys....!
I feel so helpless....I wish I could give you some good answers.
You said this seemed to come on abruptly....did the vet seem to think that it was acute kidney failure, or did he feel it is chronic...? Did they rule out infections of any sort that could be the cause...?
I'm glad the tums seem to help, they may offer her some relief.
I know that Benydryl can be used to help fight nausea...your vet could tell you how much to use. you can get it in liquid form... It is also sedative, so it may make her sleep alittle more.
The bad breath is due to the toxins building up in her system....she is uremic.
Since fluid therapy is not an option for you, I am not sure what else can be done at this point. You have so many difficult decisions to make....I am so very, very sorry.....
You said you are feeding her.....Yes, it does sound like she is starving, but she probably doesn't really feel like eating much ....she is sick....and most of us don't feel like eating when we are sick....but as long as she is still willing to eat, I will do some looking on the internet for you, and see if I can find some ideas or tips .....You will both be in my prayers tonight.....Connie
I have put out a new post, asking other members of the forum for some input. They seem very knowledgeable, and may have some suggestions that might be helpful. Debbie232...I spent hours on the internet, trying to find something for you to try feeding your dog that she might enjoy...Baby food seems to be what most people use....have you tried sweet potatoes...? My dogs love those.
Also, since you took time off work, to be with your dog...when she is sleeping, you could check out the website....Dogsaware.com....seems to have alot of info on kidney failure...also many good links. I keep reading about another website called K9Kidney....google it, and you will find it .....you have to subscribe, but it is free....
If you call your vet,ask about the benedryl...also... ask about using sodium bicarbonate tablets...it was an article in a link of dogsaware...it can be used to help with your dogs acidosis...
Talk to your vet...there is also the possibility of enemas for fluid replacement, however....if my dog were dying, I do not know if that is something I would want to bother them with.
I hope you and boxermommy will a peaceful day with your dogs.
Thinking of you both.....Connie
Hi Debbie & Boxermommy......I know how hard it is to go through these heart wrenching days....Gosh, I still cry just thinking about it!
Have you tried cooking for these babies? I know they won't eat dogfood (Neither would I), but have you tried to make them a meal or did you go straight to babyfood?
I think stews are the best...Meaning: Just like you would cook for your family without the spices, salt or onions....
Boil some chicken or beef w/ rice or potatoes (Mine like sweet potatoes). Add any veggies you want..Can be canned (Rinse well) or frozen or fresh...Add all to pot so the potatoes & veggies can cook in the meat broth.....After cooking, let cool and mash up or leave in chunks....Whatever might tempt the appetite....
Next: Most Kidney Failure dogs are prescribed Benazepril...It's a Heart medication used to open up blood vessels....Works by doing the same thing for the kidneys....
Debbie...You do not have to go to the hospital for fluid IVs.....You can do fluids yourself at home for much less money....You have to get the supplies from your Vet, but lots of people do this....It's called Sub Q fluid therapy I believe...Makes a huge difference...
Debbie...She IS starving & I'm so sorry for you both......
Listen, when the time comes, let me tell you something you probably aren't aware of: You can request an oral tranquilizer from your Vet before you make the trip to the Vet.....You give her the pill about an hours before you go to the Vet....She basically falls asleep at home and never knows she left the house.....Now, I know this is making you cry but trust me, if I can do it, you can to! Everyone in this forum has been in your shoes and we're here to help...I promise!
Please know that both of these dogs & their humans are in my prayers...I do wish you Peace w/ your decisions......It's a tough one to make! Take care & let me know how things are going.......I will be following this thread.....Karla
Connie, thanks for your kind words. I got Cookie back from the vet afer IV and we had 4 glorious days! She ate a bit on her own, played her favorite games - hide and seek, tug and I thought something was working.
She has been really sick since yesterday. She seems completely unable to swallow, has diarrhea and is throwing up anything I give her (syringe fed). losing weight so fast, its shocking. Things are going downhill so rapidly, that I have no reaction time to implement some of the great suggestions about managing the symptoms that people have put up.
But I am still not able to give up and say that nothing will work. I know she wont get much better, but dont they survive with as little as 10% of kidney function left with the right food? I am terrified of getting a blood chemistry work up done to see how bad it really is. I see how so many of us on this group have suffered, but am just not able to give up the hope that Cookie might beat it. She has got all the medical help and treatment- drugs, supplements, herbal, erythropoetin injections...Is there anyone here who has a hopeful story? It is particularly difficult for me, because, my vet already calls her a miracle, as she has been going on (almost normal till 2 months ago) beyond what is called the 4th stage, with all her readings practically off the chart...I guess I'm hoping for a continuation of the same miracle...
My deepest sympathies to all the others going through this and I hope you can keep your courage up...
If there is no hope, I will let her go early rather than late. She has been so brave and good and held out as long as she could, it seems completely wrong to put her through days of this sort of pain and suffering and helplessness. She is so independent, she completely hates me shoving things into her avery few hours...But, you know what a dear Cookie is, she will come and sit next to me when I call her, even after she sees the bowl and syringe in my hand...
Oh God, what a hard rock you need to have instead of a heart to do this
I am so glad to hear that you and Cookie were able to have a few more good days together. I know that you would love to see a story of hope on the page...your story of Cookie will serve as one to all of the people who have dogs with kidney failure. You and Cookie will give them hope that it is possible for a dog in stage 4 failure, to have good days....The vet said she is a miracle, and you said she was almost normal until about 2 months ago. That is hope, for others. Thank-you.
I feel I had my dog euthanized too early...If you read my story, you will see that I felt like the Valium "tricked" me into thinking she was dying.....I wanted to try and help my dog "make it to stage 4" ...I feel like I was cheated out of the opportunity to help her. I read these stories, and have mixed emotions about wheather I should be grateful that she did not have to get to this stage of the disease. My heart aches for all of you ...You have so many difficult decisions to make.
Does she throw up everything you feed her...? If so, is it really helping her...?
Maybe she would be happy with a little home cooked meal, or just some hand fed chicken...Cooked sweet potato..?
I am so very sorry about Cookie not feeling well....
She knows that you have always only wanted to do what is best for her....
You will both be in my thoughts and prayers....Please, let me know how things are going....
One more thought....If you are not giving Sub Q fluids at home, now would be a good time to do them.....She just had intensive IV treatment....Daily Sub Q's at home, might help to keep her levels a litlle steadier, and lessen the severity of some of the symptoms. Ask your vet about them today....It only takes 10 minutes at the vets office to learn how to do this......then....you can do them at home everyday, it will help keep her hydrated and hopefully eliminate some of the toxins as well......It is a very easy procedure.
Thinking of you both....
Thank you all so much for your heartfelt replies, I cannot express how grateful I am. I thank you all, sincerely. It has been hell, actually--for her, and yes, I must admit, for me. I have decided to just continue on until she passes on. She is not in pain, she still acknowledges me and is still my little puppy in her eyes and in her brain (which I test by asking her to do a trick and she will attempt it weakly). She LOVES sweet potatos (thank you SO much for this suggestion!!! (hugs)). I cannot afford to go again for an expensive temporary fix (the at-home water treatments). I have spent so much on tests and the followup bloodworks (and yes, antibiotics were given, just in case too at the start of this). I am not being paid for the time I am off, and there is no one who would do what I am doing (I am sure, you have to be able to not mind throw up, pee-mistakes, and the numerous attempts at feeding and hydrating). She ALWAYS wags her tail when I look at her, or when I tip-toe by (even if her eyes are closes, she wags her tail). I cuddle up beside her and I feel so sad for how thin she is, and I am losing weight as well (which I have to make sure this doesn't make me sick, because I don't have much of a reserve to lose as it is). Sometimes I whisper to her that it is okay to pass, that I will be okay without her, that I will know she is still there with me. I know she can sense how I ache for her--she is so young, such a smart, intuitive companion--she's been with me through the roughest times of my life--except at the end of this, she won't be there. I'm sorry. I am still so upset and angry that dog breeders care more for appearance than for ORGANS (someone told me she probably got this from the dobie-genes in her--kidney failure kills dobies and the breeders don't breed for health, but for looks). Thank you all, so much. I give each of you, all of you, my sincere thoughts of compassion for all you've gone through with your beloved pets (and are going through)--for your losses, for your understanding of the reality that pets are family members too.
Today was a somewhat good day again. She drank water on her own, has not had any incident (vomitting/diarrhea/incontinence)...we went for a walk and she chased birds and butterflies with her eyes! I took a few pictures of her in the garden...
I'm feeding her a little every 3-4 hrs- rice gruel with jaggery alternating with renal food. Still syringe feeding, but she seems to be able to keep it down. I wonder if it is the smaller and more frequent meals that is helping? Has anyone tried metoclopramide and are the side effects worrisome?
Thank you for all the caring and supportive sentiments and comments- it is such a comfort to know there are people like you all...
I am so glad to hear Cookie had a pleasant day.
Smaller more frequent meals are definitely easier for dogs with kidney failure...so keep doing what you are doing...!
Metoclopramide....it did seem to help Two Bits, but because of impaired kidneys, the clearance time of the drug is increased....I would guess that you were told to give her this medication twice a day....? Preferably 12 hrs apart..?
When I read info on this med, it said to give it 20 or 30 minutes before a meal, but my vet said that it could be given with her food. So follow your vets advice.
I hope you and Cookie will have many more good days ahead....!
I will be thinking of you both, and watching for your posts.....
I cannot express enough, how much my heartaches for you.....this is such a difficult time for you both. I am so sorry.
It is such a blessing that you are able to be with her....I'm sure she does feel your grief...but I think that is OK....because she also feels the love that comes with it.
I think you can give Tums, and her anti nausea medication together....I'm not sure though, ...so...Ask your vet. first ....(it may make her less nauseated.) Or could you afford to try a different anti-nausea med...?
In Cookiesmums post...above...it says that Cookie is being fed a rice gruel..you might try that for something different for her to eat. Maybe she would like to lick a popsicle...? You lick it first, and maybe she will share it with you...Some dogs also like honey...and most prefer ice water, or ice chips.
May I ask your dogs Name....? You have not mentioned it....
Please check in frequently....If I come up with any other suggestions, I will post them ....I also would like to know how you are doing.....
My thoughts and prayers are with you both....Connie
Colin and Connie, I went through your stories over and over again, trying to understand the signs so that I let her go without making her suffer...
Cookie is drinking reasonable quantities of water and is occasionally willing to eat on her own (although I still syringe feed her to make sure she is not starving) She is throwing up every other day- sometimes food, sometimes just clear acidic fluid. With her blood chemistry levels Crea 10.8 and BUN 275, I would have given up long ago if not for the fact that she is somehow withstanding it- apparently with less pain that both nanny and twobits...She had 2 small ulcers on her tongue last month- both healed nicely on their own. Her mouth does smell shockingly bad, but dont think her saliva is acidic -I dont know if I'm deluding myself or that it really is not as bad yet. Is the urine output supposed to decrease towards the end?
She is asleep and dreaming as I type- I think she is racing in her dreams and making woofing noises..:-)
Connie, because of your comment, I will try and chronicle Cookie's treatment, so that end stagers can have a reference...
Today I decided to put my Pomeranian down. He is 6 days shy of his 17th birthday. I have about 2 1/2 hours left with him before I take him to his vet. Razz has been a great companion and protector of mine. He has both heart and renal failure. Has bee on medicine for 2 years now. He us definitely a little fighter. He started go downhill on Sunday and I have been just hanging on to him waiting for his signal. Well, today he started to have seizures. I can't/won't let him continue like this. I will miss him following me around everywhere that is for sure. Waiting for daughter and husband to get home and then we will all go together. My heart goes out to everyone on here.
Sherrie......I'm so sorry...My Heart goes out to you and your family......This will take an incredible amount of courage.....Please know you are doing what's best for your little guy.....Wow, 17, that's wonderful....You must have done everything right.....Again, my prayers are with you and your family......Come back here to talk if you need......I'm thinking about you & good luck......Sincerely, Karla
I am so happy to hear Cookie had a "good" day....! That means you both did..!
I know you are struggling with the decisions you need to make, and I wish I could answer some of them for you...but, each dog is different...and you know your dog best. Two-Bits had many symptoms, but she was only considered to be in stage 3 of the disease.....I had only been treating her for 1 week, when the whole....unfortunate "valium incident" happened....( I hate to even think about that day )....but the point I am trying to make, is that her Numbers were low, but she had many symptoms....along with the increased urinating...she was very lethargic ( slept for most of her day and night ) when she was awake, she had very little interest in anything, would sometimes seem confused or depressed, was hesitant in going for her daily walk,so we would carry her part way, she was vomiting (although we do not think it was everyday ) she had diarrhea..some with blood...she did not want to eat much of anything...did not drink much on her own..she had a brown coat on her tongue and you could smell her breath many feet away..she would stumble when walking, and would shiver and tremble...Her numbers....Crea..3 BUN...125
(making her Bun/Crea Ratio..43:1 ) and her Phosphorus was...8.1
I know that she was sick, but I do not know that she was actually suffering...?
That is what makes it so difficult for me.
I do not know if the urine output decreases for sure...but I would THINK that if fluid intake decreases, so would the urine...? You should probably ask your vet.
When I read others posts, it sounds like the vomiting will start becoming almost continuous as her final days approach. And nothing you put into her will stay down......She will have more Bad Days than Good Ones, and you will realize that by prolonging her life, you are also prolonging her death. The decision WHEN to have a dog euthanized is never easy...it is a personal decision.
I hope to hear that Cookie is having more good days than bad ones...Please keep in touch...I will be praying for her...and you. Connie
Cookie had been having black sticky stools for a few weeks and it had become quite bad- she appeared to have severe GI irritation and was going 5-6 times a day (mostly accidents). The vet told me that it was likely to be melena, indicatin that the linings of the intestines were basically being eaten away and there was probably severe ulceration and bleeding. She was also getting more and more anemic- which supported his theory of occult blood loss in the upper GI tract. Basically, this meant that her condition was deteriorating fast and we were rapidly reaching the end.
On a hunch, however, I decided to stop her iron supplements for a couple of days (she has been taking these for almost a year now). Her stools have now returned to normal- no diarrhea, frequency, color all fine...It was more a case of iron toxicity building up maybe because of reduced absorption...So it is good news as well as bad- more good than bad, I guess...She is still anemic and I need to now find a way to address that now that oral iron supplementation is practically ruled out. But that she is not bleeding away internally is such a blessing to hear- more likely the anemia is because of reduced erythropoetin levels...
I am so sorry to read of your recent loss....It is so difficult to lose our pets...they are family..that is for sure.
I apologize for not commenting sooner...I don't know how I missed your post..?
Please know that if you feel the need to talk to others who understand your grief, this is the place.....
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family during this difficult time.
God Bless your Precious Razz.
I just wanted to let you know that I am thinking of all of you and your wonderful dogs....your struggles and your sacrifices...and hoping you are all having the best day possible under such trying circumstances.
Do me a favor...and hug your dogs once for me...Thanks
Many thanks to each of you for your kind comments. It also helps to be among others who are experiencing the same thing. Jax is still hanging in there, loving his car rides. He sleeps most of the day, still eating baby food and drinking some water. I did try cooking bland food, such as chicken and rice, but that was not cutting it. He is vomiting somewhat, a yellowy color, but I called the vet last week and got the anti-nauseau meds, which seem to be helping. Every day I massage his muscles, his entire body really, and he curls his toes in delight. He still barks and wags his tail and is happy to go outside or for those car rides. Jax is swallowing the baby food instead of letting it slide out of his mouth. His breath is rather smelly, but I'll take his smelly kisses all the time. He is my child, my baby, my secret keeper and my snuggler, among many other things. My husband dug Jax's grave today, in light of snow and frozen ground right around the corner. My only comfort is he will be with his brother again and they both will be pain free, running and playing and eating, no more disease. His grave is right next to his brother's. I firmly believe they will be waiting for us at the Rainbow Bridge, where we will all go on together. For now, we have decided NOT to put Jax to sleep. He is not in pain and still puppy-like when we go for those car rides and going outside. For some, this may be inhumane, however, we want Jax to be at peace in his own surroundings. He lays on the couch, his head on a pillow and snuggled up with his favorite blankie. One of us is with him at all times that way if it is his "time", he will not be alone. I am a stay-at-home furry mommy and I thank God for that, especially in these last three months. I keep asking myself, "why my babies." And why are they leaving me all at once? It is so unfair. At least Jax is comfortable and peaceful. We lay with him, give undivided attention, baby him, talk to him and give an abundant amount of hugs and kisses. I have also talked to Jax and told him it's okay for him to go if he has to, that his brother is waiting for him. Debbie and Connie, thank you for being here. I'm struggling and crying every day, battling depression, yet trying to be strong for my baby. I don't want him to see me cry, so I go to another room for just a few minutes. Life certainly can be cruel, as I've experienced since August 2011.
It appears that we are going through almost exactly the same stages with Cookie and your Jax. Although Cookie has been much more mentally with us and cheerful over the last 2-3 weeks, I can see that she is really not gaining back her strength. Every bout of vomitting takes something more out of her and she appears more and more content to just lie in her bed and follow us with her eyes. I take her out in the evening and she be among the kids when they are playing... I just hope that her going will be painless- I see how much she appreciates the time we spend with her and how she cherishes a constant touch - I am sure Jax does too...
I am so sorry to hear about BB.
I know how difficult the days ahead will be for you.
Please do not hesitate to express yourself here. You are with people who understand how much our pets mean to us.
My thoughts and prayers are with you and BB tonight...
We have a 9 year old yorkie with end stage renal disease. he progressed really quickly over past two months. His Remeron was changed to Zofran and he ended up with nonstop diarrhea. So I just let him rest for a day without meds and only IV treatment. He then got all of his meds today, ate some chicken, a little egg, some mashed potatoes as the renal food has long been a no no with him. The vet kept him the other day and gave him chicken. his quality of life is so poor, his pancreatic enzymes have been sky high for unknown reasons from the beginning so if this is what he'll eat, so be it. He actually perked a little but mostly his muscle is wasting, he has lost so much weight and we're glad he was overwt. He is on every medication he can be, IV therapy and our love. His diagnosis was just last spring. He can get crystals coming out of his skin, his breath is horrible and we will have to make a decision soon.
I am so sorry to hear about your sweet little yorkie. You are doing the best you can for him. The decision of when to help your dog die, is never easy...my heart aches for you.
You say he was diagnosed this spring...what stage was he in at that time..? How much have his Numbers changed..? Does he receive IV fluids everyday...?
It sounds encouraging that he is still eating....and if he only wants to eat chicken....or anything else, then why deny him that small pleasure.
At least he is eating something ....
Please know that I will be thinking of you during this difficult time...
My thoughts and prayers are with you both....
Please post some more details about him- if he is in the somewhat earlier stages, we can think of medication to delay the inevitable, otherwise we can at least attempt to address the symptoms.
My immediate suggestion would be to start some supplemental feeding (by hand or with a syringe if required). This will at least keep the acidity and gastritis at bay for a while.
If he is not on an ACE inhinitor, you can ask your vet to start that immediately- it helps with the proteinurea...
Also, you can try Levocarnitine for the proteolysis and muscle wasting. This takes a little while to have an effect and is therefore more useful in earlier stages, but no harm in trying...
Please post some more details about him- if he is in the somewhat earlier stages, we can think of medication to delay the inevitable, otherwise we can at least attempt to address the symptoms.
My immediate suggestion would be to start some supplemental feeding (by hand or with a syringe if required). This will at least keep the acidity and gastritis at bay for a while.
If he is not on an ACE inhibitor, you can ask your vet to start that immediately- it helps with the proteinurea...
Also, you can try Levocarnitine for the proteolysis and muscle wasting. This takes a little while to have an effect and is therefore more useful in earlier stages, but no harm in trying...
Thank you so much. For me, the hardest thing to come to terms with is the speed of my beautiful BBs decline. On Thursday, she ran the full length of the promenade on the seafront and ate a generous meal on her return. The next day she ate almost nothing (and has eaten nothing since then, despite trying everything). On Saturday she could hardly stand up and since yesterday I have had to carry her to and from her bed, just to get a little fresh air and perhaps have a wee. It has been soul destroying to see the decline over such a short period of time. I realise now, she has probably been ill for a long time, but the symptoms just haven't showed, other than being a bit off her food from time to time. She was even at the vet just at the start of October for her annual boosters, and nothing seemed abnormal at the time. Today is our last day, I know it, and I feel both desperate and guilty, but know I must prevent her suffering any more. She has been a rock for me during traumatic times over the last few years - and now I need to be a rock for her. I've been up much of the night, just sitting with her, watching her sleep, giving her water when she seems to want it, cuddling her and trying not to cry in her presence. I will be back later in the day. Thank you all, once again, your kindness is so much appreciated.
Hang in there...I believe I did what I could for Cookie and I'm sure you have too for BB. That's the hard thing with this disease- there is so little you can change, no matter how much you do...and there is so little time to do it in...You are taking the decision to make the suffering as little as possible and that's the only thing to do at this time...
I don't pray much myself, but there are fine people in this group who have included our dogs and us in their prayers and and that is so kind of them...I will think of BB and you...
Thanks Shoba. Just a couple of hours now before the vet is due. It has been a day I never wanted to begin, and one I really don't want to end. BB has been going in and out of recognising me, but when occasionally her eyes focus on mine it cuts me through to the bone. I try smiling at her, talking comfortingly to her and stroking behind her ears (her favourite spot). I agree, when there is nothing more you can do, accepting defeat is dreadfully painful. Last week I thought I would have maybe another 2 to 4 years with her ... today it's just a couple of hours. So much has changed in such a short period of time.
Tony ...I know how difficult this is for you....so many of us in the group have had to make the same difficult decision. You are making the choice to assist her with her death, because you do not want her to suffer...not even for a minute longer. The decision you are making is because you love her so much. Dogs with this disease seem to have a rollercoaster ride of good days and bad days. That is what makes their death so difficult to accept....Some dogs do well for months to years...others weeks to months.
I am sorry that BB declined so quickly...Please know that I will be thinking of you both...my thoughts and prayers are with you....Connie
My beautiful girl passed away at 4.30 this afternoon, in her own bed at home and in my arms. She is no longer in pain. Though I am utterly heartbroken, I am also relieved that she is not suffering any more. I will miss her more than words can describe. Thank you for your support over the last day or so. It has truly meant so much and I intend remaining on the site and the forums to return some of the kindness shown, in BB's honour.
Bless her beautiful spirit and soul....Yes, I believe dogs have souls. She was lucky to live her life in the company of someone who loves her as much as you do.
Tony...I live in the US...I'm not sure what the time difference is, but I think it is about 6 hrs....I have to leave for work, But I will check back on this forum when I get home at 11pm my time..(central standard ) so if you are having trouble sleeping, or just need someone to "talk" to....I will answer your posts when I get home.....
It is so nice that you are going to help others on this forum...it is a wonderful way to honour BB..... I wanted to honor TwoBits, and that is why I am here.
Tony please accept my deepest sympathy, I am so sorry for you loss....
I am so very sorry to hear about BB...I know how you must be feeling...This is the really horrible side of the whole experience of having dogs...They are our children and by that same token we have the formidable responsibility of decisions about their lives...Please do feel free to write more about BB and her last days- it might help you deal with the loss...
I am wondering how things are going for you and your Yorkie....You are heavy on my mind...and I pray that things are going OK....please don't hesitate to "Stop In" and let us know how your day is progressing.....If you need to express yourself, I can offer an open ear, and understanding of what you are going through...
My thoughts and prayers are with you both.....Connie
Thanks Connie ... and Shoba. I think actually last night I got the first good night's sleep I've had since last Thursday. But waking up was horrible, remembering BB wasn't with me anymore and then the usual day's routine involved a first for everything too. I miss her more than I can possibly describe in words and can't seem to do anything without bursting into tears. I know she is at peace now and isn't suffering, and that is the only comfort I can grasp from it. Part of my problem is I've always worked from home, so BB has always been at my side, every day of her all too short life. And she was my companion through some very traumatic events, including a separation from my ex-partner and having to move home, and she also dealt with us taking in another rescue dog (who actually our vet asked us to help with on a temporary basis, which eventually lasted 7 months). This dog had many behavioural problems and was a bit of a nightmare, but she was amazing with him and extraordinarily patient and tollerable. BB was just one in a million, unique ... and my soulmate. I know it will get easier as time goes on, but just now it's very raw and painful.
I have been reading all your posts and crying a bit along with you. My Deke is 12.5 years young and a Lab/Ridgeback mix. He was diagnosed with beginning kidney failure about 1.5 years ago and was on the kidney diets since then. He recently got weak in the rearend and his appetite decreased so in for labwork we went. BUN: 131, creatinine: 11.2, phos.: 7.3. After 2.5 days on IV fluids (just days, not nights), his numbers did not get better. Vet said there's nothing we can do. This was November 29 and she said he had 24-48 hours left. Well, he is walking on his own now, wagging his tail, and growling at the mailman. He is drinking but refuses all food and I have tried almost everything. I am starting to see the weight loss (he's originally 90 pounds and very healthy - not fat at all). He last ate about 1/4 cup chicken on Wednesday AM. I syringed in about 5 TB of baby food today and he has not vomited since Tuesday. I don't want to just give up on him but my vet is unable to tell me anything else. Any advice? Does anyone recommend going to an internal medicine vet at this point?
I am sorry to hear about your dog...I know you are in a difficult position....there are a few people on this site, that would have some good recommendations for you....Please check in often...I will try to contact a few others....in the meantime, please add more information about the meds and or supplements that your dog is currently taking...also is he on subQ fluids...?
The other thing I would like you to do, Is Post this as a new question...do it in the dogs community....it will be read by many. You will probably be routed back to this page, but ...by re-posting as a question, you may get quicker answers.
I will be gone most of the evening...but I will be sure to check back here, as soon as I can.....
I was so sorry to read your post about Deke. If he was diagnosed 1.5 years ago with this dreadful illness, you have done an amazing job at keeping him comfortable and contented until now. I can't answer your questions, other than to say you should listen to what your Deke tells you. If he is anything like my precious BB, who passed away on Monday, he will tell you if and when he has had enough. In my case, BB was seemingly well, happy and eating ok until the last couple of weeks of her 12 yr life. We had taken her to the vet purely because she had been off her food a bit, and he gave us the dreadful news that she was in the final stage of kidney failure and only had days left. We found this unbelievable, as even that day she had run along the beach and seemed as contented as ever. But then she took a turn for the worst and within 2 days it became abundantly clear that she was ready to leave me.
She hadn't eaten anything for 3 days (no matter how hard I tried with different things), and she was unable to stand up without support from me. On the 3rd day, she just lay in her bed, depressed and very weak and frail. While lying on the floor beside her bed, she raised her head and licked my hand. It tore me to pieces, because I knew she was saying please, let me go.
Getting the vet to help her out of her suffering was I believe the hardest decision I have ever made in my 53yrs on this planet. It was completely heart wrenching, but there was no way I could watch her suffer just so I could have her in my life another day.
Listen to what your vet says to you - but just as important, listen to what Deke is saying. I know it is hard. So very very hard. My thoughts are with you and I hope others will be able to answer your questions from a more informed background than I have. I know Connie will get back to you as soon as she can (she's been absolutely fabulous in supporting me in my loss). If the vet only gave 48hrs max on 29 November, then I fear the end is painfully close. Any owner whose best friend has or has had kidney failure knows how helpless we feel when we can't seem to do anything to help, other than try to get fluids and nutrients in them and comfort them as best we can. My heart truly goes out to you.
We lost our beautiful Eskimo dog "Snowy" to kidney failure a week ago today. He picked me as his owner two years ago when I found him running loose. His original owners were willing to part with him due to financial difficulties.
He would have been three years old in January.
A common thing I've noticed on this board is that these darling doggie souls, many of of them young abandoned and strays, who suffer from kidney failure seem to pick the most loving and giving owners who would move heaven and earth for them. It's like they know they don't have much time on earth and they choose to love the people who will give them quality over quantity.
In Snowy's case, I think the biggest sign we missed was the excessive drinking and urinating, from the moment I got him. I have two other "fur kids" and attributed his excessive thirst to his breed. Unfortunately, now we know otherwise.
We found out his diagnosis on Oct. 31, after two weeks of intermittent diarrhea. His Creatinine was 6 and BUN 90. He received IV fluids and we transferred him to a larger hospital in a nearby city. His ultrasound showed misshapen kidneys. We brought him home, fed him the special diet, did sub-q fluids every day, gave him Pepcid AC and Aluminum Oxide and a blood pressure med. He got better and lived a quality life (although not as good as before he got sick) until the Monday before Thanksgiving when he refused ALL foods. This was a dog who lived to eat, he didn't eat to live. Our poor little guy fought so hard.
We knew the Sunday after Thanksgiving it was time. He was sleeping a lot, not as perky, and hadn't eaten in days. After laying on the bed with him, holding and cuddling with him and talking to him, we made our decision and called the vet. Snowy walked into the vet's office of his own volition, sniffed around, acted perky, which made me second guess if it was the right time. But I knew it was because I'd looked into his eyes earlier at home. He was calm when the vet put the needle in, he didn't even flinch. I help him in my arms, and his passing was very peaceful. For him but not for me. After he was gone, my cries were the kind that wracked my body and my soul. I've only cried like that a couple of times in my 30+ years
Then guilt set in......did I let him go too soon? After looking at old pics and videos of him I know the answer, for me, is "no". The quality of his life had deteriorated but I'd been trying so hard to hold onto him I didn't see it at the time. This disease is so quick. A month after his diagnosis he was gone, but I'm still thankful for that month. I wish I'd have known about the early signs and symptoms of kidney failure, like the excessive drinking and urinating. The vet said that kidney failure doesn't show up in the blood until the kidneys have lost almost all function.
I have been comforted by the other stories here, I don't feel so alone in my pain and I know that there are others out there who've been through what I have and love their dogs the way that I love Snowy. I use "love", not "loved" because he may be gone but my love isn't, it continues. I hope Snowy's story may help someone who reads this.
My heart goes out to you. Do you give him sub-q fluids? That may help him a bit. This is the hardest and most awful thing to go through. I was in your shoes not long ago. Know that you are not alone, you and Deke are in my prayers.
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