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Quick rundown on EBV/fatigue, please?
Can somebody please give me a quick rundown on EBV and how long it's reasonable to expect the fatigue to last? My teenage daughter currently has elevated EBV numbers, and I suspect that the "flu" she had last January was mono. But it's now September, and she's still trying to sleep 14 hours a day, and is always exhausted. Is this normal?
The other possibility is that she didn't really get mono until this summer, when I know a close friend of hers got it. But if so, she never showed any obvious signs of it (other than this durn fatigue!)
The other possibility is that she didn't really get mono until this summer, when I know a close friend of hers got it. But if so, she never showed any obvious signs of it (other than this durn fatigue!)
Definition of herxing :
The Herxheimer reaction (also known as Jarisch-Herxheimer or herx) occurs when large quantities of toxins are released into the body as bacteria (typically Spirochetal bacteria) die, due to antibiotic treatment.
Typically the death of these bacteria and the associated release of endotoxins occurs faster than the body can remove the toxins via the natural detoxification process performed by the kidneys and liver. It is manifested by fever, chills, headache, myalgia (muscle pain), and exacerbation of skin lesions. Duration in syphilis is normally only a few hours but can be much longer in other diseases. The intensity of the reaction reflects the intensity of inflammation present.
The Herxheimer reaction has shown an increase in inflammatory cytokines during the period of exacerbation, including tumor necrosis factor alpha, interleukin-6 and interleukin-8.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxheimer_reaction
"Microbojen isn't going to cure me"
You never know. It works just like the antibiotics and there are some very impressive success stories from patients who have been on the antibiotic therapy.
You never know. It works just like the antibiotics and there are some very impressive success stories from patients who have been on the antibiotic therapy.
Hi Carisa. I have been taking the Microbojen formula for about 4 weeks now, thanks to PlateletGal's numerous sources of information. I studied the Marshall Protocol a little bit but it seemed a little too extreme for me and no one has stated yet that I have CFS.
I do have high titers of the EBV virus and that's the only significant test that has been positive so far. I have had numerous tests (MRI, CT scans, ultrasounds, x-rays, cardiac tests, GI scope, and plenty of blood work) and have had little else result in a positive hit of some condition I may have. Probably the only other significant finding as of late is a slightly enlarged spleen that my PCP doesn't want to check again for a few months yet (EBV can enlarge the spleen).
So, as mentioned, my EBV titers are high. Up there with what I've seen a lot of other people post for high values (500, 1000, 2000). The first real symptoms of note for me started in late February and those were cardiac symptoms and just feeling plain crummy. For the last seven months, I have gone through a wide range of various symptoms that migrate. I might have joint and muscle pains one week and then the following week is some more cardiac symptoms and then maybe the next week is abdominal pain. Doesn't make a lot of sense other than a virus can course through your body and affect different parts.
I contacted the Jernigans by e-mail and asked for their recommendation of treating the EBV virus. They recommended starting with Microbojen. I was already taking some natural remedies through a holistic doctor I was seeing, but Dr. Sara J told me to have my holistic doctor test me out on the Microbojen. My holistic doc sells his own stuff, so he could easily been greedy and told me not to use Microbojen. However, he tested my body (kind of a muscle test) and my body told him it did need the Microbojen formula.
I started using the Microbojen during a period of a few days that I was actually feeling good for a change. Then about 3 days later, I hit of spell of feeling horrible. My main symptoms were chest pain, shortness of breath, palpitations, and just feeling out of it. I had already gone through the whole cardiac workup, so I had to keep telling myself that the heart was not the issue (I wimped out and went to the ER and they confirmed everything looked okay).
The thought was I was experiencing the herxing symptoms of viruses/mycoplasmas/bacteria being killed off in my body. I was taking 30 drops of Microbojen 3 times a day. PlateletGal thought that might be too much because of the low drop dosage that she could only handle for the Jernigans' formula she was taking. It seemed like a good idea to back off the amount of drops a little, so I am now at 20 drops 3 times day. If it is the Microbojen that was making me feel crummy from herxing, then it has lessened since backing off to 20 drops.
For myself, I also have to consider the remedies my holistic doc was providing. While I am taking a lot of natural mixtures, you can still overload your body easily by taking too much. And if your immune system is suppressed already, then it's not going to take much to get your symptoms flaring.
I feel I still have a long ways to go, but I am happy to report (cautiously) that my symptoms have seemed to have lessened in the last week. I had a CBC drawn last week as well as another EBV test. My EBV is still positive (I didn't get titer values this time around) but my CBC was probably the first normal one I have had in seven months. All values were actually in range for a change (previously, my lymphocytes were always down and occasionally some other value slightly out of range). I would like to think that my normal CBC is a result of things starting to turn for the better.
I was also able to see a doctor from the co-cure doctor's list on the web. He thinks I might have a two-pronged situation going on where I am having a thyroid/hormonal imbalance as well as the virus infection. I had some blood drawn for some in-depth thyroid tests and should hear about those results towards the end of the month.
So long story short, I would recommend Jernigan's formulas as a possible solution to helping your body start working like God intended. Microbojen isn't going to cure me, but it is meant to help kill off the nasties inside and get the body working to provide a good immune support system so that it can cure. With all of the crud in the air and in food and water and the chemicals we apply to our body, it's no wonder some of us get stricken with some type of mystery crud that doctors have a hard time figuring out.
I'm not as faithful as I should be sometimes, but I should because my holistic doctor and the doctors Jernigan are God-believing people who feel the human body is the best defense against ailments. While there's no promise of a cure using a Jernigan's formula, do you ever get a promise of a cure from a convential source, such as your primary doc? Probably not, at least I don't whenever I see mine. I would much rather pump natural components into my body versus the 15 prescriptions I could be taking by now to mask my symptoms.
Maybe Microbojen won't work for you. For the $50 it costs, it's probably worth trying. I'm still on my first bottle and it's probably going to last me 6-8 weeks based on how much I have left. So the Jernigans are not sticking it to us by providing a small bottle that runs out in a week's time. I have not done the phone consultation with Dr. Jernigan, but that's probably not a bad idea either.
I do have high titers of the EBV virus and that's the only significant test that has been positive so far. I have had numerous tests (MRI, CT scans, ultrasounds, x-rays, cardiac tests, GI scope, and plenty of blood work) and have had little else result in a positive hit of some condition I may have. Probably the only other significant finding as of late is a slightly enlarged spleen that my PCP doesn't want to check again for a few months yet (EBV can enlarge the spleen).
So, as mentioned, my EBV titers are high. Up there with what I've seen a lot of other people post for high values (500, 1000, 2000). The first real symptoms of note for me started in late February and those were cardiac symptoms and just feeling plain crummy. For the last seven months, I have gone through a wide range of various symptoms that migrate. I might have joint and muscle pains one week and then the following week is some more cardiac symptoms and then maybe the next week is abdominal pain. Doesn't make a lot of sense other than a virus can course through your body and affect different parts.
I contacted the Jernigans by e-mail and asked for their recommendation of treating the EBV virus. They recommended starting with Microbojen. I was already taking some natural remedies through a holistic doctor I was seeing, but Dr. Sara J told me to have my holistic doctor test me out on the Microbojen. My holistic doc sells his own stuff, so he could easily been greedy and told me not to use Microbojen. However, he tested my body (kind of a muscle test) and my body told him it did need the Microbojen formula.
I started using the Microbojen during a period of a few days that I was actually feeling good for a change. Then about 3 days later, I hit of spell of feeling horrible. My main symptoms were chest pain, shortness of breath, palpitations, and just feeling out of it. I had already gone through the whole cardiac workup, so I had to keep telling myself that the heart was not the issue (I wimped out and went to the ER and they confirmed everything looked okay).
The thought was I was experiencing the herxing symptoms of viruses/mycoplasmas/bacteria being killed off in my body. I was taking 30 drops of Microbojen 3 times a day. PlateletGal thought that might be too much because of the low drop dosage that she could only handle for the Jernigans' formula she was taking. It seemed like a good idea to back off the amount of drops a little, so I am now at 20 drops 3 times day. If it is the Microbojen that was making me feel crummy from herxing, then it has lessened since backing off to 20 drops.
For myself, I also have to consider the remedies my holistic doc was providing. While I am taking a lot of natural mixtures, you can still overload your body easily by taking too much. And if your immune system is suppressed already, then it's not going to take much to get your symptoms flaring.
I feel I still have a long ways to go, but I am happy to report (cautiously) that my symptoms have seemed to have lessened in the last week. I had a CBC drawn last week as well as another EBV test. My EBV is still positive (I didn't get titer values this time around) but my CBC was probably the first normal one I have had in seven months. All values were actually in range for a change (previously, my lymphocytes were always down and occasionally some other value slightly out of range). I would like to think that my normal CBC is a result of things starting to turn for the better.
I was also able to see a doctor from the co-cure doctor's list on the web. He thinks I might have a two-pronged situation going on where I am having a thyroid/hormonal imbalance as well as the virus infection. I had some blood drawn for some in-depth thyroid tests and should hear about those results towards the end of the month.
So long story short, I would recommend Jernigan's formulas as a possible solution to helping your body start working like God intended. Microbojen isn't going to cure me, but it is meant to help kill off the nasties inside and get the body working to provide a good immune support system so that it can cure. With all of the crud in the air and in food and water and the chemicals we apply to our body, it's no wonder some of us get stricken with some type of mystery crud that doctors have a hard time figuring out.
I'm not as faithful as I should be sometimes, but I should because my holistic doctor and the doctors Jernigan are God-believing people who feel the human body is the best defense against ailments. While there's no promise of a cure using a Jernigan's formula, do you ever get a promise of a cure from a convential source, such as your primary doc? Probably not, at least I don't whenever I see mine. I would much rather pump natural components into my body versus the 15 prescriptions I could be taking by now to mask my symptoms.
Maybe Microbojen won't work for you. For the $50 it costs, it's probably worth trying. I'm still on my first bottle and it's probably going to last me 6-8 weeks based on how much I have left. So the Jernigans are not sticking it to us by providing a small bottle that runs out in a week's time. I have not done the phone consultation with Dr. Jernigan, but that's probably not a bad idea either.
Hi ! I haven't gotten up to the Microbojen yet, but another member posting here has. I should send him a link to this discussion.
I think you'll be surprised at what Jernigan's formulas offer. I swear that I have as nearly as much herxing symptoms as I did on the antibiotic protocol. And I know it is the herxing... because I feel better when I take breaks.
I would definitely recommend talking to your physician about this and/or doing a phone consultation with Dr. Jernigan first. My mom did (she has Sjogren's) --- she said she was impressed that he seemed to know more about her condition than her own rheumatologist did.
I noticed that CFS patients seem to have to start out with fewer drops recommended on the bottle.
This is a long treatment... there is no quick fix from what I've learned. Since I started these pathogen killing treatments, I've noticed improvements along the way. And what is interesting is that I've even noticed skin changes... such as a mole that I've had since I was a child disappearing and then skin tags (never had them before in my life). The skin tags are now gone. I think this is actually healing. We grown so accustomed to treating our symptoms and not treating the disease.
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