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Ejaculate In mouth with Hiv positvie Partner!!!!!!!!!!!Save me god~!!!
I am 16 yo boy!! In august last year, I met a gay friend who is 19yo.
My exposure is MSM oral sex (lasts 15 minutes) and French kiss(last 10minutes,but it's discontinuous 10 minutes)
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1.My kiss is extremely intense but not get visible blood from his mouth, and of course i swallow about 100ml his saliva (maybe less ).
2.Then we do Oral sex adulterated french kiss.!!! And I give him Oral sex and he ejaculate in my mouth.
After exposure my mouth feel a little ache.!!!
Afterwards. he get HIV in 2month ago before my exposure, and he is in window period.!!!!!
My Question is!!!!:
1.This forum is very bliss i like it!! It says receptive oral sex dose not transmission HIV with or without Ejaculating.
But he is Acute HIV+, which means , he is very high virus and his saliva is very high load virus.
CAN THIS INCREASE MY RISK FROM 0 TO 1?
2. I Swallow his Semen, will it cause me infected.???
I am so sorry that I have suspected Teak and LIZZI'S idea about Oral sex because I have these intense and extensive perfect ARS symptom!!
There is my ARS symptom:
(1) Fever from 37.3-37.6 (last 2-3week)
(2) Rash ( sometimes go and come again!!)
(3)diarrhea（3times a day, lasts 3week)
(4) losing weight (3 kg)
(5)chogh （last untile now!)
(6) Extremely Tired and Sleepy
And I know HIV means what to me!!I am only 16 years old I feel death despair and everything I love will get aways.
Every night I will get sleep with many many tears and I dare not to have a HIV Test in CDC.
pLS HELPME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ｉ ＨＯＰＥ ＡＬＬ ＩＳ ＷＥＬＬ．．
My exposure is MSM oral sex (lasts 15 minutes) and French kiss(last 10minutes,but it's discontinuous 10 minutes)
.
1.My kiss is extremely intense but not get visible blood from his mouth, and of course i swallow about 100ml his saliva (maybe less ).
2.Then we do Oral sex adulterated french kiss.!!! And I give him Oral sex and he ejaculate in my mouth.
After exposure my mouth feel a little ache.!!!
Afterwards. he get HIV in 2month ago before my exposure, and he is in window period.!!!!!
My Question is!!!!:
1.This forum is very bliss i like it!! It says receptive oral sex dose not transmission HIV with or without Ejaculating.
But he is Acute HIV+, which means , he is very high virus and his saliva is very high load virus.
CAN THIS INCREASE MY RISK FROM 0 TO 1?
2. I Swallow his Semen, will it cause me infected.???
I am so sorry that I have suspected Teak and LIZZI'S idea about Oral sex because I have these intense and extensive perfect ARS symptom!!
There is my ARS symptom:
(1) Fever from 37.3-37.6 (last 2-3week)
(2) Rash ( sometimes go and come again!!)
(3)diarrhea（3times a day, lasts 3week)
(4) losing weight (3 kg)
(5)chogh （last untile now!)
(6) Extremely Tired and Sleepy
And I know HIV means what to me!!I am only 16 years old I feel death despair and everything I love will get aways.
Every night I will get sleep with many many tears and I dare not to have a HIV Test in CDC.
pLS HELPME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ｉ ＨＯＰＥ ＡＬＬ ＩＳ ＷＥＬＬ．．
Best Answer
" There is often a difference in the answers given by the docs in the expert forum vs us. People have to understand that medical professionals and the CDC have a responsibility to be ULTRA conservative when discussing risks. Therefore, there is a MINUTE "theoretical" risk assigned to oral sex. If oral sex was TRULY a "real" risk, there would be new cases all the time of HIV being transmitted in this manner. There absolutely is NOT. And a "theoretical" risk is VERY different from an actual risk. The docs have BOTH said time and time again in the expert forum that neither of them, in their combined DECADES of being specialists dealing with HIV have EVER seen a case of HIV as a result of oral sex, nor have they READ any convincing cases. "
Because you won't get off the Internet. "The following is what they say on this forum."
No incident HIV infections among MSM who practice exclusively oral sex.
Int Conf AIDS 2004 Jul 11-16; 15:(abstract no. WePpC2072)??Balls JE, Evans JL, Dilley J, Osmond D, Shiboski S, Shiboski C, Klausner J, McFarland W, Greenspan D, Page-Shafer K?University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco, United States
Oral transmission of HIV, reality or fiction? An update
J Campo1, MA Perea1, J del Romero2, J Cano1, V Hernando2, A Bascones1
Oral Diseases (2006) 12, 219–228
AIDS: Volume 16(17) 22 November 2002 pp 2350-2352
Risk of HIV infection attributable to oral sex among men who have sex with men and in the population of men who have sex with men
Page-Shafer, Kimberlya,b; Shiboski, Caroline Hb; Osmond, Dennis Hc; Dilley, Jamesd; McFarland, Willie; Shiboski, Steve Cc; Klausner, Jeffrey De; Balls, Joycea; Greenspan, Deborahb; Greenspan
Page-Shafer K, Veugelers PJ, Moss AR, Strathdee S, Kaldor JM, van Griensven GJ. Sexual risk behavior and risk factors for HIV-1 seroconversion in homosexual men participating in the Tricontinental Seroconverter Study, 1982-1994 [published erratum appears in Am J Epidemiol 1997 15 Dec; 146(12):1076]. Am J Epidemiol 1997, 146:531-542.
Studies which show the fallacy of relying on anecdotal evidence as opposed to carefully controlled study insofar as HIV transmission risk is concerned:
Jenicek M. "Clinical Case Reporting" in Evidence-Based Medicine. Oxford: Butterworth–Heinemann; 1999:117
Saltzman SP, Stoddard AM, McCusker J, Moon MW, Mayer KH. Reliability of self-reported sexual behavior risk factors for HIV infection in homosexual men. Public Health Rep. 1987 102(6):692–697.Nov–Dec;
Catania JA, Gibson DR, Chitwood DD, Coates TJ. Methodological problems in AIDS behavioral research: influences on measurement error and participation bias in studies of sexual behavior. Psychol Bull. 1990 Nov;108(3):339–362.
There is no debate (among experts) about the HIV risks associated with oral sex. The risk is so low that almost nobody who cares for HIV infected patients has ever had a patient believed to have been infected that way. Among experts, it's a semantic issue about using terms like "no risk" and "very low risk". There is no difference between my or Dr. Hook's use of "low risk" and other experts' "no risk".
DR. HANSFIELD
"And oral sex is basically safe sex -- completely safe with respect to HIV and although not zero risk for other STDs, the chance of infection is far lower than for unprotected vaginal or anal sex. Please educate yourself about the real risks. If you stick with oral sex and condom-protected vaginal or anal sex, you have no HIV worries and very little worry about other STDs. " DR HANSFIELD
"I am sure you can find lots of people who belive that HIV is transmitted by oral sex, but you will not find scientific data to support this unrealistic concern..." DR HOOK
"HIV is not spread by touching, masturbation, oral sex or condom protected sex."- DR. HOOK
in the public HIV Prevention forum of MedHelp, TEAK and the other moderators maintain that oral sex in all forms is a zero risk activity. Would you agree with this assessment?
I TOTALLY AGREE / DR GARCIA
"The observation on thousands and thousands of observations is that HIV is not spread by oral sex (of any sort)." DR HOOK
No incident HIV infections among MSM who practice exclusively oral sex.
Int Conf AIDS 2004 Jul 11-16; 15:(abstract no. WePpC2072)??Balls JE, Evans JL, Dilley J, Osmond D, Shiboski S, Shiboski C, Klausner J, McFarland W, Greenspan D, Page-Shafer K?University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco, United States
Oral transmission of HIV, reality or fiction? An update
J Campo1, MA Perea1, J del Romero2, J Cano1, V Hernando2, A Bascones1
Oral Diseases (2006) 12, 219–228
AIDS: Volume 16(17) 22 November 2002 pp 2350-2352
Risk of HIV infection attributable to oral sex among men who have sex with men and in the population of men who have sex with men
Page-Shafer, Kimberlya,b; Shiboski, Caroline Hb; Osmond, Dennis Hc; Dilley, Jamesd; McFarland, Willie; Shiboski, Steve Cc; Klausner, Jeffrey De; Balls, Joycea; Greenspan, Deborahb; Greenspan
Page-Shafer K, Veugelers PJ, Moss AR, Strathdee S, Kaldor JM, van Griensven GJ. Sexual risk behavior and risk factors for HIV-1 seroconversion in homosexual men participating in the Tricontinental Seroconverter Study, 1982-1994 [published erratum appears in Am J Epidemiol 1997 15 Dec; 146(12):1076]. Am J Epidemiol 1997, 146:531-542.
Studies which show the fallacy of relying on anecdotal evidence as opposed to carefully controlled study insofar as HIV transmission risk is concerned:
Jenicek M. "Clinical Case Reporting" in Evidence-Based Medicine. Oxford: Butterworth–Heinemann; 1999:117
Saltzman SP, Stoddard AM, McCusker J, Moon MW, Mayer KH. Reliability of self-reported sexual behavior risk factors for HIV infection in homosexual men. Public Health Rep. 1987 102(6):692–697.Nov–Dec;
Catania JA, Gibson DR, Chitwood DD, Coates TJ. Methodological problems in AIDS behavioral research: influences on measurement error and participation bias in studies of sexual behavior. Psychol Bull. 1990 Nov;108(3):339–362.
There is no debate (among experts) about the HIV risks associated with oral sex. The risk is so low that almost nobody who cares for HIV infected patients has ever had a patient believed to have been infected that way. Among experts, it's a semantic issue about using terms like "no risk" and "very low risk". There is no difference between my or Dr. Hook's use of "low risk" and other experts' "no risk".
DR. HANSFIELD
"And oral sex is basically safe sex -- completely safe with respect to HIV and although not zero risk for other STDs, the chance of infection is far lower than for unprotected vaginal or anal sex. Please educate yourself about the real risks. If you stick with oral sex and condom-protected vaginal or anal sex, you have no HIV worries and very little worry about other STDs. " DR HANSFIELD
"I am sure you can find lots of people who belive that HIV is transmitted by oral sex, but you will not find scientific data to support this unrealistic concern..." DR HOOK
"HIV is not spread by touching, masturbation, oral sex or condom protected sex."- DR. HOOK
in the public HIV Prevention forum of MedHelp, TEAK and the other moderators maintain that oral sex in all forms is a zero risk activity. Would you agree with this assessment?
I TOTALLY AGREE / DR GARCIA
"The observation on thousands and thousands of observations is that HIV is not spread by oral sex (of any sort)." DR HOOK
Oh. I just get relieved.
Just could u tell me why I am so oooo tired and sooooo sick with diarhea and fever ranging from 37.5-38 for 2-3 weeks? Could u tell me those scared symptom just caused by other factors???!!! Or it just because HIV...T.T
By the way, Why the experts and doctors on this forum , some one says the risk is :
1:10000; some doctors say:1: 2500 ; some doctors say: 100/per year.
I am soo confused . THOSE MIXTURE SCARE information , which should i believe?
Many people claim they get infected ONLY though receptive Oral sex because the pre-cum...
Just could u tell me why I am so oooo tired and sooooo sick with diarhea and fever ranging from 37.5-38 for 2-3 weeks? Could u tell me those scared symptom just caused by other factors???!!! Or it just because HIV...T.T
By the way, Why the experts and doctors on this forum , some one says the risk is :
1:10000; some doctors say:1: 2500 ; some doctors say: 100/per year.
I am soo confused . THOSE MIXTURE SCARE information , which should i believe?
Many people claim they get infected ONLY though receptive Oral sex because the pre-cum...
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You can never get HIV from Oral Sex. No way and No How. As i have said above that Oral sex pose no risk with HIV. There are variety of reasons why oral sex is considered to be ZERO risks. Including that not all mucous membranes are the same. Like in the mouth, are much more durable than the mucous membrane of the urethra. Also, saliva does contain substances that have anti-HIV properties ( helps to in-activate the virus ). Third, the chance of trauma from the amorous activities involving various "poles in holes" is ZERO in the oral cavity than, say, in the anal canal. So, these among other factors contribute to oral sex's is ZERO risk for HIV transmission"
Oh.Sorry bother u again!.I add a detail to this exposure: I contain many pre-ejaculation in my mouth for 3-5minutes then spil out. So am I risk? Need I test? Or should I ignore these "ARS" alike symptom? Just worried again,because doctor suggest me to swallow the Pre-cum instead of containing them in my mouth, due to the fact that small cut in mouth will get touch the HIV High-load virus pre-cum. So pls give me advice according to this detail!!So hopeless again.
Thanks for u and ur advice! And I will get on to go to AMerica's university.I really feel rebirth !!!Thanks Thanks!It;s beyond my words to express my thankfulnes to u!
Move along. At no time did you have a risk of contracting HIV from oral sex and kissing.
Listen to teak. Symptom don't mean anything. Oral sex mean no risk that what all the expert in this forum agree on.
From my exposure I will be negative? Right? Or i might be positive because of risk?So bright to see your words to stupidmistaked2010.
Sorry if i cause his undo anxiety. All I mean is that if he still not reassure by what all the expert in this forum told him would the negative test calm his anxiety and help him move on. Sorry if i do more harm than help.
I get oral sex from positive person, and have a small wound under my penis after it done. 2 week after that i have a fever, big headache, diaharra, throw up and kinda white tongue too.My dentist told me my tongue is healthy too. I was scare as hell even expert told me no risk. I test negative at 5, 6, 8 and 10 week. I done with testing because i feel like i punish myself if i keep go to test. If you don't believe expert just go test at 8 week which is good indicate of your status if you decide to test again at 13 week. I done test, i just go live my life now.
u do oral sex with positivie partner who is very high-virus-load?!!!Do u have many scared symptom?Like fever, rash ,and thorat sore?
R u these factors? Do u get ejaculated in your mouth?!
R u these factors? Do u get ejaculated in your mouth?!
you will be fine. Don't let anxiety get to you. That what happen to me. I end up take a test up to 10 week and still negative. I don't with testing and move on with my life.
All the expert already told you, for your peace of mind, take the test at 6 week, it good indicate of your status since cdc say average is 28 day people will produce antibody.
First, Thx. Thx. Thx. Thx. Thx.
Second, I have all of your symptom except mouth ulcers, vomiting.......
Third, u make me feel al little better really !!!!
Second, I have all of your symptom except mouth ulcers, vomiting.......
Third, u make me feel al little better really !!!!
The doctor here says that only about 1% of people who believe they experience ARS are HIV positive.
This is what a posted in another thread. "Do not go off of symptoms. I had a scare from not ever being at risk and convinced myself I had been exposed. My "symptoms" were candida, rash, blood spots, headaches, sweating, fever, nausea, mouth ulcers, vomiting, and fatigue, and guess what? No HIV"
This is what a posted in another thread. "Do not go off of symptoms. I had a scare from not ever being at risk and convinced myself I had been exposed. My "symptoms" were candida, rash, blood spots, headaches, sweating, fever, nausea, mouth ulcers, vomiting, and fatigue, and guess what? No HIV"
Oh. Actually, I am in CHina . There exist more than 100 people who say they get infected only through receptive oral sex. And after seeing thess mesages in the website and exhibiting a perfect ARS symptoms , I thought ,well, I get infected although the little probability. How to explain the Symptom? So perfect Symptom.Btw, I have read Teak and lizzi's viewpoint about Oral sex. But I think the 239 MSM oral sex is so small sample in the science field so that we can not say these 239 man's experiments do not represent anything??right？I suspect this experiment.
Thx. Will the high-load- virus semens in window period increase my odd?!!!!! I have a bad teeth sometimes sore. But i am sure that night not sore. T.A.T OH MY GOD
Ejaculation or none from someones mouth does not suggest any HIV risks. Relax and Move on. Make sure to wear condom properly ALL the time and never share needles.
godsavemefromdeath, we will all die some day.
Semen does carry HIV, saliva does not infect.
The people here will say no risk but I am a skeptic when ejaculation occurs. Do I know of cases where oral has transmitted HIV? No. However, The CDC says that there have been cases when semen is present.
I cannot say that those people were honest about all of their sexual activities.
Whether you choose to test, it is your decision. I believe it is an extremely low risk and I cannot honestly believe no risk because we live in a world with many possibilities. If you have good dental health and did not have any recent cuts then I would say that you are most likely safe.
Semen does carry HIV, saliva does not infect.
The people here will say no risk but I am a skeptic when ejaculation occurs. Do I know of cases where oral has transmitted HIV? No. However, The CDC says that there have been cases when semen is present.
I cannot say that those people were honest about all of their sexual activities.
Whether you choose to test, it is your decision. I believe it is an extremely low risk and I cannot honestly believe no risk because we live in a world with many possibilities. If you have good dental health and did not have any recent cuts then I would say that you are most likely safe.
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