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6 month alcohol abstinence
Recently diagnosed. Mild inflamation (grade 1-2) mild fibrosis (stage 1) DR recommends treatment but only after abstinent from alcohol for 6 months. Curious as to why 6 months. I can count on one hand the amount of drinks I have had over the last six months. So I have to go six months from now before treatment?
I agree, it can be pretty easy to spot an alcoholic and smell them, but there also is something going on with dr's. Just like they have a protocol to tx us, they also have a protocol about alcohol. I have heard people say they had to go six months before tx after stopping alcohol. It could just be one of those stupid one size fits all kind of deal. SOC seems to be so cookie cutter for many docs, most likely so they aren't sued later. They won't go beyond what SOC tx is, even though there are newer studies to suggest that the old protocol is wrong. Anyway, just my 2 cents.
We could dance on a head of a pin all day...yes, W.C.Fields was indeed an alcoholic, a BIG one, if I wasn't running out the door Christmas shopping (I'm always late!) Oh well, here's a segment of a documentary made about him...
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Moving more or less chronologically, the documentary traces Fields from his birth above a Philadelphia bar in 1880 to his death, following years of rampaging alcoholism, in 1946. Leaving home at the age of 11, and becoming ''The World's Greatest Eccentric Juggler'' by age 20, Fields determined early on that he wanted to be a definite personality, that he wouldn't teeter on the fence. He succeeded triumphantly, of course, and in the process became, by 1938, the sixth highest-salaried person in the United States.
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You've proved my point (to some extent) for me for even bringing "W.C" up (btw, loved his movies)...I was an alcohol/drug counselor for some years (volunteered in the summers) so I think I have a little knowledge on the subject, just a little, I'm no expert....but you don't have to be an expert on this to be able to suss out likely alcoholics/heavy drinkers....and yes, there are ALWAYS exceptions to everything...people who are bloated from steroids or medication other then booze, people who have rosacea, etc. etc, etc.....
But I'm sorry, was sitting next to a woman the other day on the wonderful underground metro we have here in LA now...and I'd bet all the xmas presents I have under my tree now that this woman was an alcoholic...you could smell it coming from her pores that were permeated, and she wasn't exactly drunk at the time, but many of these people have so much alcohol in their systems that they often smell like this, well after they've taken their last drink...that on top of the fact her hand was a little shaky as she was reading a newspaper and she was relatively young (yeah, she could of had parkinsons, and borrowed her alcoholic sister's clothes for the day, and was taking steroids for puffyness, etc etc etc etc ...
Now I COULD be wrong, but I doubt it...Jim, believe it or not...there ARE alcoholics out there, and doctors do run into them from time to time..and some of these patients don't exactly fess up to being alcoholics, and doctors DO protect them from starting treatment, or getting liver transplants, etc (with transplantation I think it's a year sobriety, Mike Simon would know more about that, not that that was his issue, but he knows the guidelines better then I do)
This is not to say they are "bad" people, they have a pretty strong addiction that's very hard to beat, and I wish them all the best and that they are able to obtain sobriety and live happier lives....
Once again, this is not to say that every situation like this means that the doctor is right and the patient is an alcoholic, doctors make mistakes, probably many patients are wrongly judged in this way, many!...perhaps the poster could get another opinion or even another few opinions...
But once again, not every patient that walks into their doctor's office tells the exact truth about what's going on with them, just wanted to make that point too...
I just wanted to point out that there is a phenomenon like this, that does happen from time to time, that was my only intention...
Once again, don't mean to say that anybody that drinks is an alcoholic, (many people are merly social drinkers) or that all hep c patients got their disease from dangerous behavior on their part, a substantial portion of Hep C patients didn't...now I hope I've covered all exceptions, (I usually have to turn my self inside out to cover all exceptions, ah ha and it still doesn't help) I'm sure if I haven't, someone else will, ha ha! hope everyone has a great holiday....we all deserve it!
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Moving more or less chronologically, the documentary traces Fields from his birth above a Philadelphia bar in 1880 to his death, following years of rampaging alcoholism, in 1946. Leaving home at the age of 11, and becoming ''The World's Greatest Eccentric Juggler'' by age 20, Fields determined early on that he wanted to be a definite personality, that he wouldn't teeter on the fence. He succeeded triumphantly, of course, and in the process became, by 1938, the sixth highest-salaried person in the United States.
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You've proved my point (to some extent) for me for even bringing "W.C" up (btw, loved his movies)...I was an alcohol/drug counselor for some years (volunteered in the summers) so I think I have a little knowledge on the subject, just a little, I'm no expert....but you don't have to be an expert on this to be able to suss out likely alcoholics/heavy drinkers....and yes, there are ALWAYS exceptions to everything...people who are bloated from steroids or medication other then booze, people who have rosacea, etc. etc, etc.....
But I'm sorry, was sitting next to a woman the other day on the wonderful underground metro we have here in LA now...and I'd bet all the xmas presents I have under my tree now that this woman was an alcoholic...you could smell it coming from her pores that were permeated, and she wasn't exactly drunk at the time, but many of these people have so much alcohol in their systems that they often smell like this, well after they've taken their last drink...that on top of the fact her hand was a little shaky as she was reading a newspaper and she was relatively young (yeah, she could of had parkinsons, and borrowed her alcoholic sister's clothes for the day, and was taking steroids for puffyness, etc etc etc etc ...
Now I COULD be wrong, but I doubt it...Jim, believe it or not...there ARE alcoholics out there, and doctors do run into them from time to time..and some of these patients don't exactly fess up to being alcoholics, and doctors DO protect them from starting treatment, or getting liver transplants, etc (with transplantation I think it's a year sobriety, Mike Simon would know more about that, not that that was his issue, but he knows the guidelines better then I do)
This is not to say they are "bad" people, they have a pretty strong addiction that's very hard to beat, and I wish them all the best and that they are able to obtain sobriety and live happier lives....
Once again, this is not to say that every situation like this means that the doctor is right and the patient is an alcoholic, doctors make mistakes, probably many patients are wrongly judged in this way, many!...perhaps the poster could get another opinion or even another few opinions...
But once again, not every patient that walks into their doctor's office tells the exact truth about what's going on with them, just wanted to make that point too...
I just wanted to point out that there is a phenomenon like this, that does happen from time to time, that was my only intention...
Once again, don't mean to say that anybody that drinks is an alcoholic, (many people are merly social drinkers) or that all hep c patients got their disease from dangerous behavior on their part, a substantial portion of Hep C patients didn't...now I hope I've covered all exceptions, (I usually have to turn my self inside out to cover all exceptions, ah ha and it still doesn't help) I'm sure if I haven't, someone else will, ha ha! hope everyone has a great holiday....we all deserve it!
Yep, better be careful, I got in trouble cuz' I asked how I was supposed to remember my password. They said write it down. Now that would be a great idea, if I new where all those slips of paper were....Maybe it's Groundhog day?
Hey Elaine! Hope your Satur.... I mean Sunday is going good :)! And yes tomorrow is another day. And for some - gosh they gotta go to work:) Jim! Yeah, I was thinking the same about the other forum, but today with the ways things are going we might wind up on... who knows forum. (Jim says speack for yourself) I'm going to hush before I get in trouble on this forum:) See ya'll on the other side - later!
We could have a lively debate what day it really is and can you really be sure what day it is when you're on tx drugs in the middle of the woods -- however, that's probably for the 'forum' which I still can't get into until I figure out what my password is :)
HAHAHAHA!! oh my gosh, and get this - I was trying to make plans a few hours ago with someone to go somewhere tomorrow, and they told me they had to work. I said "On Sunday?" Geesh - thank God I'm not drinking because I have a hard enough time keeping up with days as it is let alone having to factor a rip-roaring Friday night into it and figure out if it's Saturday or Sunday.
Jackson, maybe you could take that article to your doctor on the alcohol (or to your new, one, if you get a new one). It couldn't hurt!
Jackson, maybe you could take that article to your doctor on the alcohol (or to your new, one, if you get a new one). It couldn't hurt!
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