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Im 53 yrs old,my persanality has been based on alcohol since 12. I did 10 weeks on the Peg-Red treatment totally convinced I could be alcohol free and kick this disease of mine with 2 heads.They took me off said it wasnt for me.My anger was treated with Paxil 3 Doc said it is the only one that dosnt go threw liver.Today I feel like **** every morning, my VL is growing into the 4000. No one seems to care or apreciate the new me.Im having a bad day becouse I except my dying as it comes,with alcohol. that is who I am.
fyi
the disease comes from when an alcoholic has one or two he developes and overwhelming craving for more that the normal drinker never gets, he therefore drinks to oblivian because he cannot stop...
then when he really wants to stop finds that his psycological problems are so bad he cannot. that is why aa is the only way for some of us. i do believe the alcohloc is responsible for trying but many are overwhelmed and die. it is the ONLY disease that tells you you do not have it. i also hate to see alcoholics enabled because that keeps them from hitting bottm and experiancing the pain they need to give themselves to recovery. ps i have been sober 22 of the last 24 years in aa.
bobby
the disease comes from when an alcoholic has one or two he developes and overwhelming craving for more that the normal drinker never gets, he therefore drinks to oblivian because he cannot stop...
then when he really wants to stop finds that his psycological problems are so bad he cannot. that is why aa is the only way for some of us. i do believe the alcohloc is responsible for trying but many are overwhelmed and die. it is the ONLY disease that tells you you do not have it. i also hate to see alcoholics enabled because that keeps them from hitting bottm and experiancing the pain they need to give themselves to recovery. ps i have been sober 22 of the last 24 years in aa.
bobby
SG:here are lots of so-called classified diseases(Acid reflux, irritible bowel syndrome, ) but are they truly.
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At first I thought it was merely "lack of compassion" as Jazz stated. However, with the above comments, I think it's also some lack of knowledge.
"Acid reflux" for example, is a very real condition/disease whose results can be seen in a myriad of objective ways including Barrett's Esophagus, a pre-cancerous condition that requires medical or even surgical intervention. One doesn't imagine they have Barrett's, dx is made after an upper endoscophy or EGD confirms it. Nothing "so-called" about reflux or Barrett's and hopefully you won't get it as you get older when it becomes more common as the lower esophageal sphincter (LES)often starts to weaken allowing acid to flow upward back into the esophagus and even higher.
Wish everyone a Happy Turkey!
-- Jim
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At first I thought it was merely "lack of compassion" as Jazz stated. However, with the above comments, I think it's also some lack of knowledge.
"Acid reflux" for example, is a very real condition/disease whose results can be seen in a myriad of objective ways including Barrett's Esophagus, a pre-cancerous condition that requires medical or even surgical intervention. One doesn't imagine they have Barrett's, dx is made after an upper endoscophy or EGD confirms it. Nothing "so-called" about reflux or Barrett's and hopefully you won't get it as you get older when it becomes more common as the lower esophageal sphincter (LES)often starts to weaken allowing acid to flow upward back into the esophagus and even higher.
Wish everyone a Happy Turkey!
-- Jim
Your age shows. There is no need for the anger you have. I too have watched an alcoholic step away on there own accord but he was all too willing to agree that the physiological aspect can be much worse for many. This is not a psychological addiction but a physiological one. There is no need to express empathy or concern but also no need to demean or degrade someone in an addictive experience that you really have no concept of. If you dont like the term "disease" move around it. You've expressed your opinion of that term and any further repetition is just cruel to those caught in the trap. I'm sorry but I dont remember where you are in treatment, I wish you luck. Lighten up!
While I agree with you that alchoholism isn't a "disease," I do have to separate myself from you on your tone and attitude toward this issue. I do have compassion for people struggling with addictions (even though I've not experienced that myself...thank God).
You sound as though you don't have a shred of compassion. Perhaps it's your age. At 30, I had more of that "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" mentality, too. At 50, I see that we're all fraile, imperfect human beings who desperatly need God's saving grace and forgiveness.
You might see things with softer eyes, and heart, in another 20 years.
You sound as though you don't have a shred of compassion. Perhaps it's your age. At 30, I had more of that "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" mentality, too. At 50, I see that we're all fraile, imperfect human beings who desperatly need God's saving grace and forgiveness.
You might see things with softer eyes, and heart, in another 20 years.
I could easily drink everynight and love it but my rational intellect tells me that it is harmful to the organsim,me. I beleive that addicts deeply dislike themselves and are commiting slow suicide. Is suicide a disease, no. It's an act of egocentricity.
Also, to answer your question, if one is not delivered from their disease, then removing the catalyst by locking them up or eradicating the drug from existence does not cure the disease.
As it has been pointed out, alcoholism may not be a true physical disease for many, but it has been documented to definitely be a psychological, and in some cases a spiritual, one.
As it has been pointed out, alcoholism may not be a true physical disease for many, but it has been documented to definitely be a psychological, and in some cases a spiritual, one.
It is interesting that you answer questions with questions. It is quite obvious you have no personal experience, or knowledge, in this area and would do best to not remove all doubt about it.
The anwser to your question is it is a spritual disease as much as physical. And your hatred of alcohlics makes me wonder
you have to be kidding right. I can't believe you can be so damn judgemental and ignorant at the same time. but hey I guess that goes hand and hand. You don't think mental illness is a disease either?
Step back and think. No a little bit about what you speak before you open your mouth
Step back and think. No a little bit about what you speak before you open your mouth
First off, VL is not an indication of what damage has or is being done to your body. However, since alcohol and HCV can both result in cirrhosis of our liver, to suffer from both is a double edged sword which decreases ones chances of living a full life.
I can only testify from my own experience that unlike HCV, alcohol in and of itself irregardless of whether it results in cirrhosis leads to death and cursing rather than life and blessing while one is under it's influence. Worse yet is that unless one has no family it not only affects the individual suffering from alcoholism, but it has negative effects upon those around them who love them as well.
I can also testify that one does not have to accept their alcoholism as an inevitablity of all they are and all they will ever be. For myself, and SoCal will most probably go ballistic here, I can say that it was not until I found a faith based treatment program, despite the many world renowned programs in my area, that I was able to find my deliverance.
Fortunately, I found mine prior to my diagnosis with HCV, and in fact it was because of it that my infection was diagnosed. In retrospect I also wonder if my slide deeper into the bottle was not in some respects due to the disease and my attempt to self medicate myself by anesthesizing some of the side effects I was experiencing from HCV.
Bottomline is the help is out there if you are willing to reach for it. But like salvation, it is a matter of choice as to whether you want to accept it.
I can only testify from my own experience that unlike HCV, alcohol in and of itself irregardless of whether it results in cirrhosis leads to death and cursing rather than life and blessing while one is under it's influence. Worse yet is that unless one has no family it not only affects the individual suffering from alcoholism, but it has negative effects upon those around them who love them as well.
I can also testify that one does not have to accept their alcoholism as an inevitablity of all they are and all they will ever be. For myself, and SoCal will most probably go ballistic here, I can say that it was not until I found a faith based treatment program, despite the many world renowned programs in my area, that I was able to find my deliverance.
Fortunately, I found mine prior to my diagnosis with HCV, and in fact it was because of it that my infection was diagnosed. In retrospect I also wonder if my slide deeper into the bottle was not in some respects due to the disease and my attempt to self medicate myself by anesthesizing some of the side effects I was experiencing from HCV.
Bottomline is the help is out there if you are willing to reach for it. But like salvation, it is a matter of choice as to whether you want to accept it.
Cry about your disease to the person riddled with cancer or the HIV patient who is 80 pounds and racked with pain. They will inform you about disease!
Heres a question, if its a true disease then what if the alcoholic was locked in a room and not allowed the alcohol or better yet what if alcohol suddenly disappeared from the earth what then would the alcoholic become addicted too. It's a weakness and excuse for not taking care of yourself. It's a known fact that most addicts are selfish and egocentric and enjoy the addiction with no thought of others. Disease, ha! Why can grandad one day not decide to drink but others wallow in the self pity and subconscious rewards they receive from this pathetic state of destruction. Grow up and face your life instead of hiding behind a substance that fogs out harsh reality.
It would not be a disease if will power could stop it. Take your will power and stop your hcv. Maybe you don't understand, if you are an alcoholic you dont have will power over it, it is a disease.
Moytoy, If your personality has been "based on alcohol" then at 53 yr old you have lived a life time on booze. That would qualify as an alcoholic. And if you are, forget the people around you and look into a 12 step program. I have seen many lifes change and a happiness that was never thought possible. You can die in 40 yrs or 40 days. I just hope you can die happy and in peace and for alcohlics that means sober
Moytoy, If your personality has been "based on alcohol" then at 53 yr old you have lived a life time on booze. That would qualify as an alcoholic. And if you are, forget the people around you and look into a 12 step program. I have seen many lifes change and a happiness that was never thought possible. You can die in 40 yrs or 40 days. I just hope you can die happy and in peace and for alcohlics that means sober
Have you personally suffered from alcoholism? Have you considered the scientific evidence that there exists a pre-disposition to alcoholism?
You certainly can have your own opinion, but you know what they say about them. Despite yours, medical science has classified alcoholism as a disease. Some who self clear HCV might say that you inability to clear it on your own is a lack of will power.
Your knowledge of your grandfathers situation certainly does not qualify you to be an expert on the subject. While I congratulate your grandfather on his ability to stop of his own volition, this sad fact of the matter, which is well documented medical fact, is that not all are able to do so.
If you have not suffered from the affliction yourself, then it's best to simply keep your opinions to yourself. Often times it's best to keep silent and allow others to wonder about your intelligence than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
You certainly can have your own opinion, but you know what they say about them. Despite yours, medical science has classified alcoholism as a disease. Some who self clear HCV might say that you inability to clear it on your own is a lack of will power.
Your knowledge of your grandfathers situation certainly does not qualify you to be an expert on the subject. While I congratulate your grandfather on his ability to stop of his own volition, this sad fact of the matter, which is well documented medical fact, is that not all are able to do so.
If you have not suffered from the affliction yourself, then it's best to simply keep your opinions to yourself. Often times it's best to keep silent and allow others to wonder about your intelligence than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
No fear hear lady just don't appreciate the term " disease" tossed around lightly. There are lots of so-called classified diseases(Acid reflux, irritible bowel syndrome, ) but are they truly. Alcoholics lack seratonin and other feel good brain chemicals and attempt to make up for them with booze. I understand this concept, but come on alcohol lust cannot be put in the same category as HIV, Hepatitis, Cancer. If you say otherwise you need to get an education and stop licking your childhood wounds.
I agree with you and I'm not afraid to say that.
I have lots of compassion for people battling alcoholism, as I'm sure you do, too.
But it's not a disease. Plain a simple.
I have lots of compassion for people battling alcoholism, as I'm sure you do, too.
But it's not a disease. Plain a simple.
You can have any and all opinions you want. Please though, don't state them as fact and don't make generalizations that are patently false about a disease you obviously know nothing about. It's not 'politically incorrect' to state that addiction is not a disease it's just not true.
how old are you?
so if you don't have it it must not be real or bad is what it sounds like. I know and people who are poor it is because they just choice not to work right!
you have a very out dated point of view on the subject that is why your not finding anyone who agrees with you. like I said why don't read up on the subject. but i guess ignorince is bliss
so if you don't have it it must not be real or bad is what it sounds like. I know and people who are poor it is because they just choice not to work right!
you have a very out dated point of view on the subject that is why your not finding anyone who agrees with you. like I said why don't read up on the subject. but i guess ignorince is bliss
If I have the strength to endure this treatment 3x's now the poor poor addict can find the strength to stop killing himself.
Moveabove save the chair for one of your whining addict cronies.
Moveabove save the chair for one of your whining addict cronies.
Thanks to everyone for the support. You pulled me threw a rough day.I will post again another day. HAPPY THANKSGIVING
Why would people no longer help me here? I can't have a politically incorrect opinion? I'm sure there are people here who agree with me on this subject but are afraid to chime in. Let's focus on true diseases, like hep c!! Also, I did receive at birth and not by being some addict and I'm pissed people throwing around the term disease so lightly!!!
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