been in and out of ER this week PLT 74 and high potassium levels, will finally see a Dr on Monday put me back on pain meds,also referral to infectious disease doctor here in tahlequah, spleen extremely enlarged and causing pain and very cirhotic,spoke to OU med hosp Monday they are waiting on my referralso back on the road to getting healthcare straightened out and we are all on the same page now. Liver numbers returned to normal 2 days ago....any in put would be appreciated. Hope all is well with everyone. been very sick.
Okay, the enlarged spleen is a side effect from your liver's cirrhosis.
When the liver becomes cirrhotic the spleen takes over some of it's job, which is difficult for the spleen. It's also affects the platelets, causing them to drop.
Sorry if I'm not the best at explaining.
Keep hydrated, exercising, don't eat anything with salt or any red meat and get into OU asap.
working on OU and thank you for all the support you really have no idea how much it has kept me encouraged. They also did CT scan with IV contrast and that stuff you have to drink. Will post more after Doctor on Monday! have a great weekend. God Bless you all!
I am very sorry to hear about your liver condition.
Here are a few comments on the info you provided....
Having a platelet count of 74,000 is typical for patients with cirrhosis. But in and of itself, it doesn't cause any symptoms and you have plenty of platelets to function normally. My platelet count has not been as high as 74,000 in years. Mine are usually in the 50,000s and 60,000s range. Only if they went down below 25,000 would you doctor be concerned.
High potassium (hyperkalemia) is very dangerous. Which I guess is why you are hospitalized? As it can cause serious heart issues (weak pulse, irregular beating) and is needed for the normal functioning of the muscles, and nerves. So your sodium and potassium levels need to be in balance which sounds like they did correct this.
What are the pain meds for? Pain from your enlarged spleen? That is unusual. The vast majority of patients with cirrhosis and enlarged spleens do NOT have any pain until they are very very ill and needing a transplant.
All cirrhotics have enlarged spleens. It is a complication of cirrhosis. How large is yours? My spleen is 16.3 cm. A normal adults is usually about 11 cm. As I said before it is just a typical complication of cirrhosis and there is nothing that can be done about unless you have a spleen disease. The enlarged spleen cause a patient's platelet count to drop.
Are you aware that certain pain drug harm the liver and cause liver disease to progress more quickly? When you get to OU you should let them know what you are taking and if you should be taking it.
" Liver numbers returned to normal 2 days ago" They stabilized you. Which is a very good thing!
Connect up with OU ASAP and have them work you up and get a complete diagnosis.
P.S. If you can formulate some questions about certain aspects of cirrhosis it would be helpful. Advanced Liver Disease is a huge subject and is nothing that can be explained in a few posts.
As for pain meds: look, as far as I know, opiates (morphine, etc) and opioids (Oxycodone, etc) are fine with liver disease unless they are compounded with acetaminophen (Tylenol, etc) or NSAIDS (Ibuprofen, etc) ---- I would hope that if you are being treated for cirrhosis, then your treating physician would be savvy about the analgesia ---- and can we please stop this knee jerk reaction every time a poster talks about pain meds, e.g., you're abusing, you're addicted, they destroy your liver, you won't get HCV tx if you are taking pain meds, etc? Grrrrr.
I have ruptured discs in my back and rhuematoid athritis along with degenerative bone disease. The pain they think is a result of a combination of things like the Hep C along with the cirrhosis and no meds were given to stabilize my liver count. The contrast showed my liver is fibroiding..if thats a word. They cant do surgery on my back because they think bleeding would be an issue. Will be seeing my new primary tommorrow and have already been referred to an infectious disease doctor. Asking for referral for OU when I see the Dr tomorrow. Already have talked to OU and found out what I need. I have raw spots in my stomach and take Zantac for that. So the pain is a combination of things not just the liver and spleen. Thanks for the encouragement and will keep everyone posted as I find out ...
yes Im aware of everything when it comes to the pain meds. But They had to give me something in order for me to be abale to just do everyday things. yes have been very sick and starting to get upper respitory infections that are not responding to antibiotics or prednisone. I have alot of med allergies which limit me. So now they are just trying to make me comfortable. Which Im grateful for.
seen new primary was in need of IV fluids I was so dry and BP had dropped to 93\56 and they allowed me to walk out of there well that was the 21st and Im just now able to get out of bed and do a little. meanwhile complained to Administration and was put with an infectious disease Dr for Apr 21st I really dont know what I have evevr done to deserve such inhumane treatment. Have to go deal with the Indian Hsp for labs and sign paperwork for all my med history from SC that should have been here over a yr ago. Then sit and wait for pharmacy,,,,,,,
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Hi Ya lady. Hey I ran across a Kickapoo tribal health suv. the other day. Wow. what a trip as I am near Los Angeles @ the moment. I spoke with the lady. She was here for a medical convention. She was from Mc Cloud..
Back to you. looks like your still getting the run around? You need to be more like Donald Trump (Your Fired) which is what happened to my first GI. You have to be your best advocate/friend :-). I see you got a new PI. Gee what is the problem with them not referring you to the right place. Hey if I can be any help to you. drop a line. A friend said maybe you need to talk to a social worker over @ Indian Affairs.
Im not sure that you have even been diagnosed correctly by the proper type doc. But you do seem to show symptoms of esld??? I dont know much about ESLD. But I peeked over into trials and found nothing that looked good for de-compensated? liver.
Whats up with OU? Can you get a social worker to refer you to them?
Sorry you have been thru the ringer lately. Gee your due for a break. Keep us posted on how you are. I looked at your pic's and your son looks similar to my nephew . ****Ginger****
I plan on going to see the medical director for Cherokee nation tomorrow and have already spoken to OU in OKC and they just need my referral. Guess I have been caught in the crossfire of Cherokee nation buying hastings hospital out which would remove us from government rule...argh and yeah! So much corruption here with our healthcare because they bill medicade and medicare on the patients who have such services. This makes me mad because all services are supposed to be free for tribal members and believe me they dont like seeing me coming when I show up at the hospital. I love firing incompetant medical people who have only their pockets to pad. will keep posting. Still not feeling so great.
know what you mean about the corruption all over in general in OK. So Im just going to stop right now ;-)
Hey I was wondering if ya had given any thought to LDLT. oh shoot I might of forgotten the initials already. Ok its where you have a transplant thru a living downer. Like say a son or a daughter. There are many good links for that. if ya like Pm me and Ill refer you. Again sorry your not feeling well. Stay strong.****Ginger****
I saw you wrote recently somewhere that doctors had discovered nodules; in the same paragraph you also mentioned contrast, so presumably you had an MRI or CT scan performed? Have you had time to go over the imaging results with a doctor yet?
Try to avoid jumping the gun regarding the term ’nodules’. When cirrhosis is present, the liver often develops ‘regenerative nodules’; these are a result of the liver attempting to heal itself in its dealing with scar tissue.
These nodules aren’t *necessarily* indicative of anything ominous. Again, try not to freak out over the nomenclature; instead ask your doctor to interpret the imaging, perhaps it’s nothing more than the cirrhosis that you're already aware of, okay?
well feeling pretty good today and just not worrying over this stuff because stress just prevents you from healing and I would rather just take it oneday at a time too much stuff is overwhelming and just gets me confused dont know if this is the liver or old age...LOL! Hopefully the latter! My eyesight is doing weird things have appointment tomorrow and GI on Tuesday. So cross your fingers...Lord knows I do. Hope all is well for everbody and thanks!
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