Suppressed Research on Marijuana in Pregnancy

[ShamansMommy]

oops wrong one

[ShamansMommy]

DREHER'S JAMAICAN PREGNANCY STUDY More Suppression of Marijuana Research In the 1980s Melanie Dreher and colleagues at UMass Amherst began a longitudinal study to assess the well-being of infants and children whose mothers used cannabis during pregnancy. The researchers lived in rural Jamaican communities among the women they were studying. Thirty cannabis-using pregnant women were matched for age and socio-economic status with 30 non-users. Dreher et al compared the course of their pregnancies and their neo-natal outcomes, using various standard scales. No differences were detected three days after birth. At 30 days the exposed babies did better than the non-exposed on all the scales and significantly better on two of the scales (having to do with autonomic stability and reflexes). Follow-up studies were conducted when the kids were four and five (just before entering school and after). The moms were defined as light users (1-10 spliffs per week), moderate (11-20), and heavy (21-70). Consumption of ganja tea was also taken into account. The children were measured at age four using three sets of criteria: the McCarthy scale, which measures verbal ability, perceptivity, quantitative skills, memory and motor; a "behavioral style" scale measuring temperament, based on a 72-item questionnaire filled out by the child's primary caregiver; and a "quality of housing" index to indicate socioeconomic status. "No Differences at All." Click here to read the full study resultsYou can watch her explain the results in this you tube video..
  
  
  
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[ShamansMommy]

omg ok here is the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9WorIM0RhA

[anxiousmomtobe?]

You are never going to convince me that mary jane use is acceptable in pregnancy.  Maybe when a reliable institution like the Mayo clinic, Toronto Sick kids etc, come out in favour of it.  You are obviously just trying to stir up trouble on the forum as you well know how the ladies feel about this issue.

I don't consider utube a reliabel source of medical data.

[lovefamily]

Many people can always try to find an argument for what they are not willing to give up.  I don't think it is worth the risk to do any drug especially an illegal one, unless perescribed by my Dr.  
Well said anxious

[peekawho]

I wouldn't use any unecessary drug during pregnancy.  Why would anyone?

[Mother of bailey]

Inever personley done marijuana.That said thay did put my 5yr old on the marijuana pill when he first started cemo..it was horrible for him he was constley geting sick and eatting and crying, he gained a huge amount of weight...thay finley took him off and put him on katro...I would never do that to a unborn child,U have know idia what it dose to them (i dont eather) Im just saying i dont think there little bodys can take it. what makes u fill good my make the baby fill horrible.. sorry my 2 cents

[2ndBaby]

I totally agree with your first statement, love.  And anxious-so well said!

[Van73]

I will never be convinced that I should use Marijuana during pregnancy either.  Smoking PERIOD is bad during pregnancy.  If you are an adult and use it for an illness, that is different story.
I am sure I could find an article and write my own paper on how It's fine to take Meth.during pregnancy.

[chellybeans]

what about the tar etc you inhale? smoking pot contains more things than just the mind altering thc ya know? and it is unfiltered and harser than a cigarette. if a cigarette is a big no no, i can't possibly imagine how pot would be okay.

one last thought. a study at age 4 is hardly conclusive. did these kids get followed into adulthood?

(i don't have time to watch youtube at work)

it's just not worth the potential risks to me

[wonderme]

I agree -- NO drugs or alcohol...it all travels through the placenta.  Do you really want a drunk or stoned fetus?  Gross!!!

If you need help breaking a bad habit -- please see your ob/gyn -- they can help or find someone who can.

Please take care of yourself -- and at the minimum, do the best for your baby.  It's only nine months!!!

[hopefulmommie]

I hope that this doesn't influence any naive women to actually smoke weed while they are pregnant. Its one thing if you choose to do drugs while pregnant, but why would you want to tell people that its ok? I think thats pretty low......

[jifnif]

i would never even consider it even if the doctors told me it was ok.  It is a drug no matter what.  Jeez, I am afraid to drink herbal tea....let alone smoke one.  i think some woman forget that really you are only a vessel for another life, it doesnt give you the right to do to that life whatever you see fit.  It is your job to love and care for that lil being in the most natural and healthy way you can.  Marijuana is natural until you light it up and inhale.  Chemically altered after that point.  

[pertykitty]

like chellybeans said, you dont think there might be something in your pot? its so different than the 60's there has to be more.  anyway you seem to always want to discuss pot, is it your cant give it up or you seriously think its one of the food groups?  you have put too much wasted time into researching this, if you cant stop anything for 9 months you have a problem (mine is medhelp). and let me tell you if you smoked and were high and then got into your car and hit my kid.....

[pertykitty]

this just annoys me to no end.  are you so unhappy in your life that you  need to be stoned everyday to cope? you dont need to bring children into this life.  you do realize that if the cops were to come to your house for any reason and find pot your kids would be taken from you? that is ok with you?  im appalled that you keep putting this into the forums.  anything you say to protect your rights to smoke pot are immature and selfish and wasted time.  why dont you take your energy and focus it into a healthier way.

[peekawho]

*dons protective gear and waits*

[AndiJ78]

A study of 30 stoned babies ending at age 4 is hardly reputable. I will echo the others, there is no way this bunk study will change anyone's mind...unless they are stoned and looking for an excuse to continue smoking a doobie.

****flings poo stained undies at peek***

[lovethebops]

What was the point of this post?? did I miss another post by her that had to w/ smoking pot or something?? Like others, I am appalled that something like this would be posted...I am more appalled, because ShamansMommy is a mommy..is she saying she smoked pot during the pregnancy of her daughter?? This coming(If my memory serves me correctly, I appologize in advance for possibly being wrong, but I am pretty sure) from a mother who was concerned about her mother giving her newborn infant a combo of butter and honey...Those of course, having their own issues, but to be so concerned over that, but defending the use of pot during pregnancy...what the heck?? I just don't get some people!! 'nough said!

[lovethebops]

Oh, the study was done in Jamaica!! In 1980-I see now, guess that makes it ok!! JEEEZ...

[lovefamily]

If this is the life in the womb this baby has to go through, I can't imagine what all it will be exposed to once born.  A stoned mom cannot possibly make the best decisions in everyday life for her child leave alone in the case of an emergency.  I have seen kids raised in this kind of enviroment, how sad for you but how much more sad for the innocent children.  Not only the nasty habit of smoking weed but also the influence of people who usually hang around in these enviroments.  If you don't love yourself enough to stop then do it for your children....born and unborn.  Surround yourself with new friends who will be good influences on you and your children.  People who love you for you, not their next high.  If you think that is wrong....cut the weed off or quit smoking it with those who supply it and see how many split.  The drug pusher only loves you for your money.   I don't know you and am not saying that you smoke pot, but with this thread I would say there is a good chance.  Also, others who are walking the line on this issue don't need to be dupe into going ahead and doing something stupid.  I have no claws sticking out here, I am truely concerned for the children.

Lovethebops...you have a good point, a study in Jamaica on marijuana!  That would be like a study done in Columbia saying that cocaine was okay....lol!

[pertykitty]

she has a previous thread where she said it was a part of her daily life.  she refuses to listen to the facts because then it might make her look bad.  your right lovefamily a stoned mom cant make good choices.  legal or not you cant so this everyday.  where is her kid when she is smoking it?  are they right there getting high too? my claws are out for the well being of the kids.  its so sad that so many people feel its ok to do this or that when they are pregnant.  oh and she said once that any of us that eat fast food are giving out children poison haha.

[lovethebops]

Where was that?? I must have missed it...which day was it on?...I could go back and look...I am just shocked! Did she say she did this while pregnant, or just since she had her baby?

Maybe she should move to Jamaica and be w/ her kind....those children sound just fine in the study, nothing to worry about there!! I cannot believe some mothers!!

Do you remember her post on ''Sugar *******''?? that was her I think....

[lovethebops]

Sorry, didn't think they would star it...lets try that again...sugar tittie$

[chellybeans]

actually she did say she had smoked pot during pregnancy and her baby was one of the most chilled babies...etc. i will find it.

i think her point was to give us some facts supporting her opinion...problem is..well we had already made our decisions and let it go.

i hate to see some young naive girl make her and her babies life choices based on some stupid video

[Tina_its_a_boy]

why would this even be on a post? I think it's better for women to think it's bad because then they most likely won't do it during pregnancy. This is telling them it's ok to do it. I don't smoke it, but I'm not against it either. I don't beleive that doing it when your pregnant is a good thing. I am against that. People should really think about what they post before they do it. Let's hear about things that we can learn from instead of unnecessary information like this. I feel a little dumber after reading this.

[chellybeans]

this is what she had to say before about smoking pot during pregnancy

"U ladies are forgetting one thing...pot is natural. Like it or not, it shouldnt be illegal. Just because something is illegal doesnt make it bad or immoral. I think wishing bad things on somone for the making choices they are free to make on their own body is uncalled for. I smoked at the beginning of my pregnancy, because I couldnt eat otherwise. My midwife said that was better than not eating. I was a cigg smoker, and never touched another one the minute I found out I was pg. I ate all organic the whole time I was pg. I am a health NUT!! Smoking pot is a part of my daily life. I intended on stopping at some point in my pregnancy but I was under a lot of stress and didnt sleep well, and my midwife pretty much prescribed it to me to help with that, which it did. But thats somehow wrong, even tho women taking methadone are told to keep taking it once they are preggo and that ok because its LEGAL???WTF??? Whatever, I dont judge them cuz we all have diff lifestyles and standards. BTW I vaporize almost every time I smoke. My pregnancy was completly free of complications, and I had a beautiful, 4 hour, DRUG FREE birth. My baby girl is beautiful and perfect, a very chilled out baby, not hard to comfort at all, and she is right on schedule with her development. U guys can say what u want, but do u really think that epidural is good for ur baby?? Or the morphine or pain pills for u breastfeeding, c-section mommies? I am not judging you, because it is your body, your baby, and your right to chose. All we are asking is for the same in return. "

http://www.medhelp.org/forums/Maternal/messages/35935.html

[taysmommy]

my cousin smoked week every day of her pregnancy, and her baby came out fine, healthy according to the doctors, breathing fine, good birth weight ect,

BUT she never cried as a baby, never really did much just stared off into space (some will say thats a blessing, but something was clearly wrong with her)

shes 4 and doesnt really talk, she doesnt do well in her pre school (is way below average on many things listed in the orginal post, such as memory, cognitive skill, verbal and nonverbal recognition) it is very very sad, she has extreme attachment issues, (calls me mom when she comes over)

so i will never be convinced either, and you can argue that this is just one case, but its enough to convince me that the drug has altered her

and one more thing, what about smoking weed with the baby in the room after its born?? i know my cousin did this too, the baby would come over reaking of weed, eyes glazed over and sleep for 8 hours at a time at about 3 weeks old, not normal by any means

[nikkicole827]

I have a suggestion... the next time something so silly is posted, lets just all ignore it!  It is sad for her baby but there's nothing we can do to help or change her mind since she cleary would rather believe "suppressed research."

[lovethebops]

OMG, that makes me so sick to my stomach, I feel just ill...I try not to judge ppl on here, but I am just in shock at reading this...I don't know how I missed it before. It is really so sad, I feel very bad for that poor little girl. As I have mentioned in the past, my MIL was a 'hippie' and smoked pot all through her pregnancy w/ my BIL and he definatley is not 'normal' or 'just fine'...he is a full grown adult, near 30, and has many emotional/mental problems along w/ obsessive/complusive behavior...WE all believe it is from his mother's lifestyle during pregnancy...it is so sad, I really feel bad for him. he is dealing w/ things that he may never have had to, had his mother gave up the grass.(fortunately she did w/ the pregnancy of my hubby, he does NOT suffer from any of these issues)..I realize people can do as they wish, but I just wish they would take better care of themselves when there is children involved, who have no say in the matter. I hope this post does not sway any young mother(or any mother) who is on the fence about this, into thinking it is ok to do this. I just really don't know what else to say, I am so sad to hear things like this....

[lovethebops]

I just saw the original post-It is sad. I am certainly not trying to create anything-said my piece and that is that. I missed the whole 'old post' thing, since I keep this forum on date mode....I thought it was something fairly recent I had missed. Oh well, ppl will do as they will, what are you gonna do?

If everything was just ignored, we would never have 40-100 post-long threads, then what would I do when dd was napping?, JK! LOL

[tatorbug40]

This was one of the funniest posts I have read in a while...  I agree with tina_its_a_boy... I think I feel dumber now having read this...  why does she feel it necessary to have someone agree that doing any drug is safe during pregnancy--  I think twice before I take a tylenol---  I have to be feeling really bad before I take it...  it is funny, but it is sad that some people will subject their unborn children to any substance....

[lovefamily]

Yea, why wouldn't the baby be a "very chilled out baby".  What does pot do to you.  Makes you very "chilled out".  I have a problem with the smoking while pregnant and still once the baby is born.  Is there no escape for these children from this enviroment of pot and the type of people who it attracts to be around their enviroment.  Wonder what children services would think about her clever research from Jamaica.  I don't think it would hold up in a USA Court of Law.  Parenting is not just for the 9 months the baby is in the womb, but for a life time.  I guess raising your own little potheads is okay.  Also, I think I would get a new midwife if mine was prescribing pot to me.  My midwife and Dr. are very naturalist and don't believe in a lot of drugs.  I could  never see them prescribing such a thing to me.  If they did....as Donald Trump would say...."Your Fired!"  Don't give me a french fry but a doobie is okay....wow...crazy!  I live very healthy and do not eat junk, and drink water only.  I never considered pot to be on my healthy diet and I am considered a health nut by everyone.  Sounds like one of the hippie chics we have in our college town near by.  C-Sections are not done out of choice but necessity for almost all Moms who get them.  Sorry, ShammasMommy can't understand why they just don't cut you open with nothing to killl the pain during and afterward.  As far as an Epidural there has been research done in the USA not Jamaica that says it has no ill effects on the baby.  It is just for a few hours and that is it.  Not like smoking pot for your pregnancy and having your enviroment full of the second hand smoke that is around your children.  Okay, I guess my claws have come out now.  I just could not imagine subjecting my children to such and enviroment.  Like I said before, anyone will find what they want to try and justify what is wrong and what they are not willing to give up.  If you can't handle the day to day stress now before the baby and must have it, how in the world will you handle it when baby gets here.  Again, a stoned mom cannot possibly make the best decisions for her children, leave alone in an emergency situation.

[nikkicole827]

I know it's tempting.. i tried not to even click on this post and made it through most of the day but everyone else was responding.  I just wish we wouldnt give posts like this the time of day.  She's not asking, she is trying to justify.  Reminds me of my neice's mom who no longer has custody of either of her children (different fathers) because she refused to give up drugs, primarily pot... who knows what else?  Thank Goodness my brother grew up fast after the baby was born and got away from her and got custody.  My neice was born with marijuana in her system and came out choking... prob on fresh air who knows?  Thankfully she is healthy as far as we can tell at 1.5 years but some of her skills came a little later than most babies such as walking and everything leading to it.  We hope that now that she lives in a drug free, smoke free home she will grow normally and healthily and she seems to be so far.  (BTW, not justifying smoking pot in pregnancy... just hoping for my neice!)  Also, she gets colds and gets sick very easily.  Poor princess, she is soooo sweet and everyone loves her so much.  

We have ignored her mother who lost all rights to both of her children.  The older girl is now in foster care and about to be adopted by a wonderful family and we are so happy for her (she's 5).  Still she has a lot of issues she will have to deal with.  She spent her 5 years seeing mommy smoke pot and drink and be overall irresponsible and we don't know what damage was done.  As for my neice, luckily my brother straigthed out within the first few months of her life and she was taken from that environment very early.  

So I try to choose to ignore these people and hope God does right for their children the way he has done for my neice.  I don't think this woman's mind can be changed... she's probably too stoned to read our words anyway,.

[AHP84]

Umm, just curious but, doesn't the epidural secrete anesthetics into (or onto) the spinal nerves (or spinal fluid), and not into the blood stream? (Help me out here, Peekawho).
I'm pretty sure that what goes into the bloodstream and/or the digestive tract is what also gets into the baby's placenta, but not anything from the mother's spinal fluids or nerves. That's why an epidural is not harmful to the baby, especially considering that it's only injected for such a short time (when compared to an entire pregnancy of taking some kind of drug). I could be wrong, but I think it's something like this anyway.
But smoking pot, as we all know, takes the smoke into the lungs and gets into the bloodstream, or it's eaten and gets into the digestive tract. Either way, it goes straight to the baby and gives them the same high as the mother gets.
And how anyone can attempt to justify using this illegal, mind-altering drug during pregnancy is beyond me. But I suppose that's what addiction does to people. How disgusting, shameful, and saddening.  

[lovethebops]

I did not realize your post was directed towards me. Not exactly sure why I was singled out, out of all women that posted...I guess my problem is I am still suprised sometimes at what ppl will post and think it is ok, I guess I should realize, and not be suprised by what Anyone posts anymore,...there have been some crazy posts before, and this is not the craziest(ONe of my old favs. was the lesbian who got pregnant by her partner's father...obviously probably not true, it is amazing what ppl will post for attn.)..best of luck to your niece, I wish my BIL faired better than he did!

[peekawho]

I used to fire up back in the day.  I agree with you 100%.  There is no need to smoke pot when you're pregnant, so why even take the smallest chance?  There's tons of **** in there now, but I'm sure she grows and rolls her own, so is sure of the quality control.

[nikkicole827]

No, no the original wasnt posted to you... jsut this past one as a response to u and everyone.  I'm certainly not picking on anyone, I just wish this woman realized she is never going to change our minds and convince us it is ok!

*** I remember the lesbian that was pregannt by her partners father!  That seems like it was forever ago!  Hilarious!

[pixijal]

As a former 'pot smoker', I firmly agree that one must abstain during pregnancy.  The risk isn't worth any possibility of a potential problem.  Today's pot contains sooooo much more that just a simple marijuana leaf.  There are several other drugs that are put into it, and you don't know what your actually exposing yourself to.  I like pot, but I wouldn't expose my children to it.  Seems like a 'no brainer'.  

[lovefamily]

Lol!!! Yea, so it's organic!  Only the healthiest pot for her!  Lol!

[pertykitty]

that is right the lesbian who was knocked up by her partners dad and they were all going to live together in one house after he broke up with his wife lol.  oh the memories.......

[ShamansMommy]

lol...obviously no one even gave it a chance. I just happened to see these responses, I didnt think there would be and wasnt looking for them. I am not going to fight with such closeminded robots, this will be my last visit here. I am a great mom, ya'll can all go to hell.

[lovethebops]

SOOO, how 'bout them Colts?? lol...I am so excited that pre-season starts in a few weeks....I have been waiting all summer to sit my big preggo butt down and do nothing but watch football until this baby comes...mid season, of course!LOL :)

[lovethebops]

yeah...great, arnt they perty?? :)

[chellybeans]

well that's not nice...

of course no one gave it a chance. we struggled for the babies we are carrying or have for almost all of us, the risk is just not worth it to most of us.

i don't believe anyone cursed you or wished ill on you....too bad you had to take it there.

*cheers for her steelers*
:P

[nikkicole827]

I can't wait for the season to start!  Don't be jealous but I'll be able to enjoy beer with my football!  Unlike the superbowl last year... I was pregnant and supporting the Colts in Bears country!  But still totally decked out in Colts stuff lol... I even put strips under my eyes with horseshoes drawn in them!  Blue and white ribbons in my hair and the royal blue NFC championship shirt!  I also wrote "Future Colts fan" on my belly.  DH wasn't happy about it lol since he loves the Bears.  Oh well, I told him she's getting a colts cheerleadng outfit and he wanted to buy her a bears one he could buy it and let her wear it on a day I'm gone lol.  At least you will have her in time for the Super Bowl... Colts two years in a row?  I could def see it!

[2ndBaby]

This site, too, appears to be an addiction (kind of like the MJ?).  I see that despite your sad news of your last posting appearing right here in front of our eyes, you did indeed choose to come back.  Makes me sad knowing you were upset over feeding your baby soy milk for one night and 'feeding' baby marijuana over the course of 9 months.

[mslkpage]

In case you haven't followed thru with your dramatic exit, I'd like to state my opinion. A study done in the 80's regarding marijuana in pregnancy is completely irrelevant to the marijuana used today. Hydroponics, soil enhancement, and high-tech greenhouses have elevated the THC levels in marijuana to about 4X what they were in the '60's and double what they were in the 80's. You can argue that it's natural, but smoking ANYTHING is not natural. Cocaine is derived by the cocoa bean, so I guess that makes it natural too, right? Wine comes from grapes...they're natural, and thus wine could never be harmful, right? Please. I have placed MANY people, young and old alike, into rehab because they're hooked on weed.

You threw this article out there and now you don't like the replies? Go ahead with your exit. I don't think anyone will argue with your decision to leave.

[God Bless us All]

JUST SAY NOT TO DRUGS.....

GOOD LUCK AND GOD BLESS....................................................

[captainplanet]

I'm confused just a little, there is a lot of opinion here that isn't based on fact. If you have hyperemesis gravidarum, crohn's disease or RH sensitivity during pregnancy, you AND your child can die if your body rejects oral pills and/or pharmaceutical drugs. (I'm not talking about regular morning sickness here)  I Just found out that medical marijuana is prescribed for pregnant women at risk who have lost 20 or more pounds from the ceaseless vomiting and sometimes deadly malnutrition that these conditions can inflict. It also depends if medical marijuana is legal in your state which it is mine, but that's not my main point here. The thing that scares me is the idea that just because a doctor gives it to you its safe, thousands die from ill prescribed drugs each year and not one death has ever been attributed to the use of marijuana. Taking any pharmaceutical drug in the USA can be a death sentence for you and your child as the FDA only requires 40% actual ingredient in all American produced pharmaceuticals. That statistically as dangerous as taking street drugs.