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Numb face
Hello. I am a 40-year-old female. I woke about 10 days ago with numb lips. They were gone the next day but came back a few days later and have been near constant for about six days. The numbness moves around in my lips and also it moves around to various parts of my face. In my face, it's not full-on numbness, but more a stiff feeling, which comes and goes. It extends to the ears, the forehead, and to the chin. I went to the GP who thought I might have a viral sinus infection and she gave me nose sprays. I always have a stuffy nose and sinus problems, but I have never had numbness from it before.
Right before it happened, and for the week following, I was out sledding a lot in the cold, and it's been very cold here. I don't know if that's a factor.
Two years ago, I had episodes of numbness in fingers, toes and lips and was evaluated by a neurologist with an MRI. He concluded that I had hyperventilation syndrome. I was under more stress then than I am now. I don't think it's the same thing now, since when I do the breathing exercises it doesn't improve.
Any ideas you can give me will be very much appreciated. Thank you.
Right before it happened, and for the week following, I was out sledding a lot in the cold, and it's been very cold here. I don't know if that's a factor.
Two years ago, I had episodes of numbness in fingers, toes and lips and was evaluated by a neurologist with an MRI. He concluded that I had hyperventilation syndrome. I was under more stress then than I am now. I don't think it's the same thing now, since when I do the breathing exercises it doesn't improve.
Any ideas you can give me will be very much appreciated. Thank you.
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I have pernicious anemia and was diagnosed at 30, (pretty young, I thought) I was never told whether it was that I was missing the intrinsic factor or my diet ( I didn't eat meat for about 6 years previous) Now I take an injection of B12 once every 3 months, however I do experience periods of numbness in my face and tingling in my extremities even since I have been treated.
I don't know if the numbness is hyperventolation disorder, as it was once described by a doctor or the anemia, or a further diagnosis of pulmonary sarcoid, and a previous diagnosis of Asthma which I have has since my late teens, it is all a bit related and confusing.
Hope you can find some answers to what is a scary symptom,
Best Regards
J
I have pernicious anemia and was diagnosed at 30, (pretty young, I thought) I was never told whether it was that I was missing the intrinsic factor or my diet ( I didn't eat meat for about 6 years previous) Now I take an injection of B12 once every 3 months, however I do experience periods of numbness in my face and tingling in my extremities even since I have been treated.
I don't know if the numbness is hyperventolation disorder, as it was once described by a doctor or the anemia, or a further diagnosis of pulmonary sarcoid, and a previous diagnosis of Asthma which I have has since my late teens, it is all a bit related and confusing.
Hope you can find some answers to what is a scary symptom,
Best Regards
J
needansrs,
You know your body better than anyone else & you know when there is something wrong. Don't ignore your symptoms...get a second & third opinion if needed.
Doctors make mistakes too. Just because the doctor says it's not Lupus....Do you beleive that?...last year he said it was???? And treated you gor it. Something is being overlooked.
Have faith in yourself & keep looking...
God Bless, Jean
You know your body better than anyone else & you know when there is something wrong. Don't ignore your symptoms...get a second & third opinion if needed.
Doctors make mistakes too. Just because the doctor says it's not Lupus....Do you beleive that?...last year he said it was???? And treated you gor it. Something is being overlooked.
Have faith in yourself & keep looking...
God Bless, Jean
I have been experiencing numbness, tingling, picky feelings in my face. It always starts on the left side spreads to my lips, then goes up the face, over to the right side, then up across my head. I have been under an extreme amount of stress. I have had a MRI of my head and c-spine. Only showed a bulging disc in my c-spine (not exactly sure where). I have explained this feeling to my rheum, a neurologist, and internal med Dr.. I was diagnosed with Lupus in the spring of 2006, put on a 200mg twice daily dose of plaquenil. Diagnosis was given after blood work and exam by a rhuem. Now I find out that I may not have Lupus because recent blood works does not indicate. I feel like the dr.s think I am nuts because of the complaints of the feelings in face. My legs also go numb and tingle after sitting down, but starts in face. Any answers?
Thanks, Jean, for the extra information. I will have it checked. I see the neurologist also suggested I get my B12 checked.
Dear Jean,
Thank you (and thank you everyone else) for your comments. How can a person who eats a normal diet have low B12 though?
Thank you (and thank you everyone else) for your comments. How can a person who eats a normal diet have low B12 though?
First of all, keep in mind that I am unable to diagnose you because I am unable to examine you, this forum is for educational purposes.
The symptoms that you describe are non-specific for any single disorder, but I would recommend some more testing. People who hyperventilate can get tingling around the mouth, and in the fingers/toes. Electrolyte imbalance (particularly calcium) can also cause similar symptoms. One of the most common instances that I see this problem is in medication side effects. Many medications can cause this pattern of numbness with Topamax and Diamox being the most common. Multiple sclerosis (MS) also has to be considered since you have had episodes of numbness/tingling in the past. I would suggest that you have a repeat MRI of the brain with contrast and an MRI of the cervical spine with contrast as well to examine for signs of MS. More rarely a stroke in the thalamus region of the brain (usually due to high blood pressure and/or diabetes) can also cause similar symptoms (which would also show up on the MRI). I would also suggest some blood work including CBC,CMP, ionized calcium, lyme antibodies, B12, ANA and ESR.
I hope this has been helpful.
The symptoms that you describe are non-specific for any single disorder, but I would recommend some more testing. People who hyperventilate can get tingling around the mouth, and in the fingers/toes. Electrolyte imbalance (particularly calcium) can also cause similar symptoms. One of the most common instances that I see this problem is in medication side effects. Many medications can cause this pattern of numbness with Topamax and Diamox being the most common. Multiple sclerosis (MS) also has to be considered since you have had episodes of numbness/tingling in the past. I would suggest that you have a repeat MRI of the brain with contrast and an MRI of the cervical spine with contrast as well to examine for signs of MS. More rarely a stroke in the thalamus region of the brain (usually due to high blood pressure and/or diabetes) can also cause similar symptoms (which would also show up on the MRI). I would also suggest some blood work including CBC,CMP, ionized calcium, lyme antibodies, B12, ANA and ESR.
I hope this has been helpful.
Sorry, I meant to type Pernicious anemia. @%\)
I eat a normal diet also. I have a malabsorption problem & have tested positive for Pernious Anemia.
It can happen beleive me & if left to long the effects can be permanent.
Best Wishes, Jean
It can happen beleive me & if left to long the effects can be permanent.
Best Wishes, Jean
Dear Friend,
Please be advised that I am not responding to you as a physician and that I am not advising you and that what I write is not meant to be construed as medical advice or a replacement from the forum neurologist, et al.
With that said, try not to jump to conclusions. If these numbness sequences have been waxing and wanning for awhile there is no reason to panic with "right aways" and "do it nows." You mentioned prior to the facial attack massive stress and hyper-intex. If this is true I recommend a visit to a major academic center and a visit with a very good neuropsychologist.
I am not presupposing that you have a somatic condition but this is something to look out after the 157 other conditions that cause numbness have been looked at and ruled out. Numbness which is withiin the realm of paresthesias, as you know, has a variable cause. We look at the most common variables: Nerve entrapments, Nerve compression syndromes, Repetitive Motion Disorders, Circulatory disorders such as Vasculitis, Diabetes, and as your neurologist says Hyperventilation.
Stroke can also be the cause as well as tumor-and-the point is. There is absolutely no way to get a pat answer on here. The hunt is on with your GP and your neurologist. Stay close to them and again you may want to look into neuropsychology and Hyper-intex.
Good Luck!
JCmcc.
Please be advised that I am not responding to you as a physician and that I am not advising you and that what I write is not meant to be construed as medical advice or a replacement from the forum neurologist, et al.
With that said, try not to jump to conclusions. If these numbness sequences have been waxing and wanning for awhile there is no reason to panic with "right aways" and "do it nows." You mentioned prior to the facial attack massive stress and hyper-intex. If this is true I recommend a visit to a major academic center and a visit with a very good neuropsychologist.
I am not presupposing that you have a somatic condition but this is something to look out after the 157 other conditions that cause numbness have been looked at and ruled out. Numbness which is withiin the realm of paresthesias, as you know, has a variable cause. We look at the most common variables: Nerve entrapments, Nerve compression syndromes, Repetitive Motion Disorders, Circulatory disorders such as Vasculitis, Diabetes, and as your neurologist says Hyperventilation.
Stroke can also be the cause as well as tumor-and-the point is. There is absolutely no way to get a pat answer on here. The hunt is on with your GP and your neurologist. Stay close to them and again you may want to look into neuropsychology and Hyper-intex.
Good Luck!
JCmcc.
Thank you so much for your reply.
I just wanted to mention that I did not have a major stress right before this happened, as you said. (I just said I was doing a lot of sledding in the cold.)
I just wanted to mention that I did not have a major stress right before this happened, as you said. (I just said I was doing a lot of sledding in the cold.)
They will do a CT and an MRI right away to rule that out.
Get to a neurologist and an ENT who is also preferably a Craniofacial Plastic Surgeon right away... find one at a trauma center.
This same thing happened to me.... It is probably related to something kicking off your trigeminal nerve. My numbness started in my mouth and progress to the entire left side of my face.
At about age 36, after the numbness with SEVERE pain, so painful it would knock me on my back nearly everyday and especially when the weather changed. My ENT (not a craniofacial surgeon) at the time thought it was my teeth had me root canal 10 teeth (at about a grand a peice). This still did not releive the pain. No one would restore them b/c of pain so I had to have them all pulled after a year.
The pain had spread to the entire left side of my face and left eye - all along the route of the trigeminal nerve. I couldn't find anyone to help and so ended up in pain management - and still am on oxycodone from over a year and a half ago.
After traveling to many regular ENT's, I took my CT scans to University of Maryland Shock Trauma Division of Plastic Surgery. It was kind of a miracle I found out this is who might be able to help - a cashier's mother at the grocery store worked for the Chief of this division and I just happened to mention it after he commented on my teeth.
Anyway, They said that all of my sinuses showed bone overgrowth completely encasing the sinuses. And surely yes he beleived me about the pain - finally! So I had surgery at Johns Hopkins (don't recommend outpatient surgery there the anesthioligst was terrible) Anyway my pain changed changed/improved but is not totally gone. We did another CT and it shows I may need antoher surgery on my ethomoid sinus to open it up....but at least I have a plan now.
I don't know if I will ever be able to get implants for the missing teeth. I may be condenmed to dentures at 39.
This may not happen to you - everyone is different.. But like you I did not know the numbness would end up being the harbinger for the suffering that followed.
Don't mess with your teeth until you see the craniofacial surgeon. If you mention trigeminal nerve to an oral surgeon they will not touch you to restore any missing teeth.
Also, more than likely the neurologist will try all kinds of drugs like SSRI's SNRI's Tri-cyclic anti-depressants like amitryptaline.
These will affect the nerve symptoms, but if there is something physical like the swelling or infection triggering this, the underlying problem is not treated and could end up being serious.
Get also to a pain management doc..for a second opinion. They are similar to neurologist but are a little more open minded and can think beyond just the electrical system of the nerves.
You will want to try to stop whatever is causing this right away... if it progresses to chronic pain there is a chance that the nerve will just turn ON all the time forever. And you do not want that to happen.
Don't just accept from the neurologist that you have trigeminal neuralgia - for which if it gets very bad the only treatment is a lifetime of narcotics.
I was diagnosed with this - and it turns out it was the sinus swelling, bone overgrowth and inability to equalize pressure... so sometimes there are other explanations... rather than the obvious diagnois of just saying your nerve hurts...(trigminal neuralgia)
Trigeminal nerualgia is a bucket diagnosis that does not explain the origin of the pain/ loss of sensation. It is known as one of the most painful conditions known to mankind.
There is a lot more to the story, including finding a rare and dangerous fungal infection in my sinuses, but this is the main gist of it. Feel free to contact me.
This same thing happened to me.... It is probably related to something kicking off your trigeminal nerve. My numbness started in my mouth and progress to the entire left side of my face.
At about age 36, after the numbness with SEVERE pain, so painful it would knock me on my back nearly everyday and especially when the weather changed. My ENT (not a craniofacial surgeon) at the time thought it was my teeth had me root canal 10 teeth (at about a grand a peice). This still did not releive the pain. No one would restore them b/c of pain so I had to have them all pulled after a year.
The pain had spread to the entire left side of my face and left eye - all along the route of the trigeminal nerve. I couldn't find anyone to help and so ended up in pain management - and still am on oxycodone from over a year and a half ago.
After traveling to many regular ENT's, I took my CT scans to University of Maryland Shock Trauma Division of Plastic Surgery. It was kind of a miracle I found out this is who might be able to help - a cashier's mother at the grocery store worked for the Chief of this division and I just happened to mention it after he commented on my teeth.
Anyway, They said that all of my sinuses showed bone overgrowth completely encasing the sinuses. And surely yes he beleived me about the pain - finally! So I had surgery at Johns Hopkins (don't recommend outpatient surgery there the anesthioligst was terrible) Anyway my pain changed changed/improved but is not totally gone. We did another CT and it shows I may need antoher surgery on my ethomoid sinus to open it up....but at least I have a plan now.
I don't know if I will ever be able to get implants for the missing teeth. I may be condenmed to dentures at 39.
This may not happen to you - everyone is different.. But like you I did not know the numbness would end up being the harbinger for the suffering that followed.
Don't mess with your teeth until you see the craniofacial surgeon. If you mention trigeminal nerve to an oral surgeon they will not touch you to restore any missing teeth.
Also, more than likely the neurologist will try all kinds of drugs like SSRI's SNRI's Tri-cyclic anti-depressants like amitryptaline.
These will affect the nerve symptoms, but if there is something physical like the swelling or infection triggering this, the underlying problem is not treated and could end up being serious.
Get also to a pain management doc..for a second opinion. They are similar to neurologist but are a little more open minded and can think beyond just the electrical system of the nerves.
You will want to try to stop whatever is causing this right away... if it progresses to chronic pain there is a chance that the nerve will just turn ON all the time forever. And you do not want that to happen.
Don't just accept from the neurologist that you have trigeminal neuralgia - for which if it gets very bad the only treatment is a lifetime of narcotics.
I was diagnosed with this - and it turns out it was the sinus swelling, bone overgrowth and inability to equalize pressure... so sometimes there are other explanations... rather than the obvious diagnois of just saying your nerve hurts...(trigminal neuralgia)
Trigeminal nerualgia is a bucket diagnosis that does not explain the origin of the pain/ loss of sensation. It is known as one of the most painful conditions known to mankind.
There is a lot more to the story, including finding a rare and dangerous fungal infection in my sinuses, but this is the main gist of it. Feel free to contact me.
Hi again. I posted the original question. I hope you don't mind my asking, but when you hear things like this, how often, in ballpark percentages, is it 1.) a brain tumor; 2.) MS; 3.) unexplained?
Thank you again.
Thank you again.
Hi Numzy,
You might want to get your B-12 checked. That was the symptom I had ( Intermittent facial numbness that started in my lips & in certain areas of my face) I was referred to a neurologist who found my B-12 level to be very low.
Good Luck, Jean
You might want to get your B-12 checked. That was the symptom I had ( Intermittent facial numbness that started in my lips & in certain areas of my face) I was referred to a neurologist who found my B-12 level to be very low.
Good Luck, Jean
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