as u know I became PATM free by choosing plant based food choices( at least 90 % of the time) and vitamin supplements including L-glutamine powder, oregano oil capsules, probiotics, ground flax seeds or chia seeds, etc.
no dairy,no meat, no sugar ( I use Stevia only), no gluten, no processed foods, no fast or junk foods
I became PATM free before I knew OXY-Powder existed
Happy Sunday to you too, grateful2011, and great to hear from you!!
We are all happy about your success story; there are so few on this website.
I would just like to point out a few things -
1) Meat is generally considered okay on the PATM diet. I don't think it contributed to reactions while I had PATM, and good thing, because I couldn't have survived without it (a primarily fruit and vegetable diet would have left me too hungry to go to sleep :) I eat turkey or chicken every day now, and my PATM still has not come back. By the same token, certain fruits have to be avoided on the PATM diet because of their high sugar content (e.g., bananas, grapes, and cherries) as well as certain vegetables because of their high starch content (corn, carrots, peas). Just check "The Candida Diet" website for specifics.
2) If anyone is also facing issues with body odor, I would be careful with taking ground flax seeds. It's possible you may have TMAU (which, like PATM, is caused by problems with the liver), in which case you need to avoid foods with a high amount of choline. Ground flax seeds have a lot of choline in them and are supposed to be avoided on the TMAU diet.
3) I know that just because Oxy Powder worked for me, it doesn't mean it will work for everyone. But one of the main reasons I recommend it so highly is because of how quickly it worked. I started noticing a decrease in my symptoms after two weeks, and after a month my PATM was pretty much gone. In contrast, most of the (six or so) people on here who have become PATM-free took a few months to a year to several years to cure themselves. A restricted diet with some supplements definitely helps, but it is a much slower path.
But congrats to you yet again, and all the best to everyone!!
FROM a url title..the candida curse....(since we cant post urls here)
I simply didn’t understand why nothing worked to completely heal my condition. Something was obviously missing from the healing puzzle, but I couldn’t figure it out. I thought I was doomed to remain on a Candida diet for the rest of my life – no bread, no grains, no fruit, no sweets, no anything, not ever, nothing, nada, zippo!
Finally, after many months of misery I found the missing piece. I read a book called, Eating Alive, by naturopathic doctor, Jonn Matsen. According to his book, candida can escape and wreak havoc in our system from eating too many foods rich in potassium (vegetables and fruits), without adequate protein (animal products) and salt, causing the ileocecal valve to weaken, allowing yeast to migrate from the large intestine to the small intestine, and other parts of the body.
That’s why I felt worse the “healthier” I ate. It made perfect sense. My candida overgrowth never really healed because it wasn’t enough to simply eliminate the food candida thrived on (carbohydrates, fruit, starchy vegetables, sweets) I had to simultaneously strengthen my ileocecal valve.
and that's why l glutamine is very important..so if your not eating meat better take l glutamine...it works like meat does in the iloececal valve the passageway of yeast to our blood
Here is my story re PATM and there does seem to be some similarities on here. I've probably had PATM for about year now and initially I thought it was due to haemorroids/fistula. After surgery it was great, things were normal for about a week before it regressed back to PATM.
Initially, during the time I thought the PATM was due to having a bad odor but after asking numerous people, they do not smell an odor. People on public transport still stand/sit next to me but have the PATM reactions i.e. cough/sneeze/sniff so why would people sit/stand next to me if I stink?
Like many of you, I was depressed and paranoid about going out in public, going to work, going anywhere with friends etc. but once I realized for myself it was not odor, then I got over it quite a bit. Stress is not a factor as I haven't been stressed other than with PATM, nor is diet as I eat quite healthy.
People at work who sit near by still cover their noses but I know it isn't smell, people who walk by where I sit always cover their nose or scratch their head etc I just don't care that much about their reactions now.
What it seems to be is that people are itchy as I've asked a few people and people have different reactions. Some people cough because they have an itchy throat, some people sniff because an itchy nose but it is constant. I also notice that I myself have been itching on a constant basis everyday, whether it be feet, face, legs, arms. It's a light continuous itch, but not itchy enough to want to scratch it. Except at night sometimes when I sleep for very short periods but that isn't often.
My dermatologist thought it was Folliculitus (folliculitis) because of red 'bug bite' marks on my skin but the medication just made the itching more intense and frequent. He does not believe me when I told him about the reactions of people, same with my doctor - which is fair enough, it does sound far fetched. I've ruled out Scabies as well.
I saw a post ages ago on this thread where someone posted that a doctor said they had a particular condition because the doctor's throat was itchy whenever that person was around. I would like to try and find that post again as that's what I think is causing the PATM, though it is a bit hard considering the amount of posts of this forum.
So I think it is a condition of the skin or some sort of bug on the skin that releases something airborne. I don't get when as much when in an open space but still from time to time. It seems similar to pollen. I also notice that reactions are much stronger after I have a shower/bath. It's like the soap that is used affects the severity of the reactions from people hence why I think some people have had success with Apple Cider Vinegar mixtures as its effect on the skin probably isn't as strong as soap or body wash.
If anyone could help me find that specific post, that would be great (somewhere between pages 18-27).
Here is how to prove my and now jato84 is saying about bugs.
Drench your nose folicles in vaseline, i do it with hair glue, but put the vaseline.
Now if there is some invisible bug or particles, it will get stuck there, regardless how small. i am now so sensitive, I know when they come out.
So, drench nose follicles with vaseline, then go to the kitchen and wait, or go get close to fresh dog ****. These parasites come to life but are microscopic and swarm, that is why only one person gets attacked at a time, even in a large room. Sometimes the swarms break up.
Once you put the vaseline, do your anus also if you have itchy anus, even better, drench anus hairs (that is where it lives, in root) w valseline and go walk around where there is dog ****. They will go nuts and you will to, in your nose and anus.
Seems the mite has various stages and the one that gets airborne is the patm. Far reaction, in other car is deep rooted defense of this long lost parasite from the past that still survives, but since all humans are super juiced up on the latest antibodies and shots etc, but this thing invaded our bodies via deep infection.
Soiled, interesting on the smoke detector, sure we are walking particle generators. Get a 300W flood light, I use to blast my face and that kills them for a few hours. Shake head and other body parts over flood light and watch it snow. Thats not the problem, its what is causing that, the parasites are generating all this waste, but the problem are the live mites attacking.
Watch people scratching legs and feet, its anally release flying parasites released down your pants, so wear super sealer undies, really.
Great comments, you are so right on! I am reading the book GUTBLISS BY DR> ROBYNNE CHUTKAN @)!# she is the founder of Digestive center for Women
QUOTE PAGE 59
Yeast overgrowth in the body also causes bloating and gas, because yeast species are involved in the FERMENTATION of food and a process that produces CARBON DIOXIDE GAS. With the overgrowth the yeast comes overproduction of carbon dioxide. an overabundance of yeast in the intestines can also be irritation to the lining , resulting in poor absorption of nutrients and constipation or Diarrhea.
I could print out this whole book , the next section is on Dysbiosis and Leaky Gut Syndrome .
Reading books helps me choose what I do, with my health. vicious cycle , never ends!
ive just watched the secret video....so Im gonna say yes i'm healed....im healed im patm free...as i say after watching the secret video..the law of attraction and postive thingking....thanks grateful for that positive outlook.
Maybe you should not get too confident after watching your video because u may find yourself upset later but try it first. Many here have patm for many years and have tried many things and still are on the same diet and have not been cured. The human body is like a very very complicated machinery and it cannot be easily debunked by simple theories. indeed try it first and check if it work or not for you. Im a vegetarian who have added those supplements including many types of amino acids after reading in this forum ever since it was mentioned. Im among the many who seem to find some relief from these supplements but not much to make an impact. hope that you will be amidst the fortunate people. Try the OP or Chlorella too cos that may work for you also. I read many success stories but only a couple have come back to verify them.
HI There 2 beautiful pips,,,well the secret video tells about the power of the mind..it says you monitor your thoughts from negativeity by always monitoring your emotions..so feeling good you get aligned with the beauty of the universe when you feel bad your not aligned with your aspirations.if you feel bad do something to make you happy sing some good music,think of a baby or your fave pet..with that as your duty is to always think that your owning your goals, dreams right now..visualize it is to materialize........it's what they call the power of attraction you get what you want by thinking its already yours.. this video has not made me patm free or anything i can claim cause im not yet patm free..Im applying this video by everytime i wake up i always tell myself its gonna be a beautiful day i say it 5x..everytime i feel down i tell mysefl things will be great..somehow..i have fewer days that i worry much i smile more even when im alone now thinking its indeed been a good day.with the coughs or sniffs around i say to myself im gonna be okay real soon.this is momentary.(and also pray to god that person coughing will be ok.)...they say that if you say no hell,,its not gonna happen.it's imp ossible..its like your stopping the natural beauty of the universe like that seed starting to be a plant from that soil so when you say its not working that seed thats about to be a plant will go backdownwards to the soil(nice portrayal)..everyday you must spend some time imagining what you would feel when you have what you want like being patm free...........---
-------yes finding a cure for this disease is not a joke you go thru trying everyhing ..lets not focus on frustration and practise the secret video...having that good feeling of having it making it yours .."patm free life".happening..alot sometime everyday thinking that...tell your self always i know that i know that i know im patm free...by doing this and sending it to the universe ..the universe absorbs it and universe will help you get your intentions through..this is the law of attraction...so now......still am on the search for my healing and i know that its just out there..
When will you get your goals by using this secret video information..well the universe dont know time ....what's important is you always get yourself aligned to your goals.....and the universe will follow..............things will be great..the universe will read your intentios...someone might be ready to say to me that you'll just gonna be frustrated with all these secret thought..well by saying this your not being aligned to the mystery of the universe..the universe want speed. ..growth...see all the plants that grow.it doesnt need effort to grow...it grows effortlessly.....some may say so how will you do it...dont think of the how...............its like driving in a dark place not knowing just going ahead and not seeing where you are at right now..just now that your heading to somewhere...............well to give justice to the secret video it says put the feeling first make it alive in your heart and soul ...materialize the feeling of what you want and everything will follow....i wish you all the happiness we all want so much =)..get alligned with the your goals always .
@jato84 thanks for sharing, patm also made me think it was a odor. or maybe i thought it was because of an odor.. just like you said the more i realized there was no odor the better patm got to a certain level.
I also keep the anus as a possible patm source/cause//problem. And also stress, rest and exercise.
I have not tried Oxy powder but i want to say that there are also easier to get and cheaper alternatives probably close to you in one of the supplement selling shops you can try and i even think i will try soon. About the quality i can't say anything. and about the safety of Oxy powder you really need to decide for yourself. Even though it got awarded for something that does not make it safe but maybe proves it's efficiency. I had read a while back about the composition of oxypowder with the used materials saying that it contains alot of bad things but that just something i once read somewhere. i have nothing to say about this
Whatever you think about the secret, one thing for sure helps with your health is being happy and avoiding stress. Stress is know to cause almost every known disease. Being happy works the other way, your will be more immune to disease and you will heal faster.
I appreciate your input so much, I always knew my IBS was very bad just eating veggies, when I ate a bit of turkey breast fresh cooked with lemon, or meats, did a bit better, otherwise candida went crazy, like this last week, felt like I was starting all over , since last March , loosing weight, Migraines, candida bad, Diarrhea, felt sore , achy, I am hoping this helps me and I am going to read EATING ALIVE, JOhn Matsen it seems to make some sense to me, Not fun being sick and having PATM and all that goes with it,! thanks
I urge everyone to start using the highest level of probiotics you can for the greater benefits !!!!
i was taking 15 billion per capsule ( to be real I was being cheap, because the pprice was less) - as of yesterday I bought the
Ultimate Flora Critical care 50 Billion per capsule - so glad i did - took one last night right before bed, had the best sleep in a long time and when I got on the scale this morning - was shouting hallelujah because I have released FOUR pounds, thank you Jesus !!!
it appears i was not bringing enough "soldiers" to fight this war in my gut
ultimate flora also has 100 billion and 200 billlion probiotics - I will not be so shy or cheap to try these in the future also
Happy Sunday and God Bless always and continue to shine always !!!
i ate bad today..but taking kimchi..has kept my patm tamed even though my mense is very near...thought kimchi is scary to taste but it was good.a little chilly taste.but its good to take ...porbably tke it before eating becoz if its gona be the last thing you take in your stomach its a lttle disturbing.bettet take it befor puting any solids...my metaboism felt grate..usualy feel sleepy ..but not. for now.felt great as well..still continuing my postitve thinking attitued..always telling myselft i feel great..things are great....
Quick question : Do any of you bite/chew your fingernails also? I believe I am experiencing the same symptoms as you all, although I am not sure about the odor. I have only recognized the coughing, touching of the nose in the past few years. Not sure if chewing fingernails had anything to do with it, but I am compulsive about that and figured I would toss it out there.
Hey guys, I'm also suffering from patm for a little bit over a year now. I 'm experiencing the same symptoms as you guys are, coughing, sniffing, touching / rubbing noses, sneezing and I also recognized people getting a sore throat. I know this is gross but I also have two small spots/patches on my right side of my tongue.That is also about the same time when my patm started and my tongue is rough, I have dry mouth, bad breath and my nose gets very dry sometimes. I feel like, whatever is wrong with my mouth/tongue is causing my patm. I was wondering if any of you guys have the same experience. Bytheway I don't have any pain on my tongue.
you don't have bad breath. what's causing your patm is saliva. But how can saliva escape from the mouth? that's how it becomes a mental problem. I was in your situation about five years ago but i'm on the road to recovery. You have to acknowledge this as a mental problem. That's the first place to start. As a child (or maybe even adult...I don't know) you experienced a traumatic experience with bad breath. am I right? That's how it goes for me anyway. At one point I was obsessed with my tongue. I though I actually had bad breath. But I don't. It's saliva. It's unbelievable how many people are suffering from this condition yet people know little about it. Those spots are meant to be thee. so don't worry about that.. I think what you're referring to is circumvallate papillae (or vallate papillae) check it. am I right?
where are you from by the way? I realised I had this illness in 2008 when I was 16. I'm 21 now. I'm female and from London.
You can call me if you want on this number > 07951595443
or email me
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Or misophonia.. which is an uncurable neurological disorder which controls your life when one becomes sensitive to sounds like sneezing and coughing.
It's rare, can't be cured and linked highly to anxiety. It's just in our brains to suddenly have our lives controlled by this hatred of the different sounds we associate with negative things.
Ever wonder why we jump a mile at the sound of a cough, then people start to look at us - not the person who coughs? Ever wonder why coughs and sneezes never register on other peoples radars?
We have negative experiences linked to the sound of coughing/ sneezing,
Makes the most sense - and I guess the restrictive dieting helps to reduce the anxiety and the negative associations - making us more positive around people
I've removed gluten as I'm most likely gluten intolerant. I'm hoping to move a lot of other things out of my diet like sugar and all processed foods and dairy, as when I did this, it seemed to remove my problem with this or minimalize it... even the one person who non- stop coughs around me (my best friend's boyfriend), had stopped.
but the diet back then was so restrictive.. and we still don't really know why diet seems highly linked to all the anxiety and the reactions we get.
The secret video? Is that based on the book 'The Secret' by Rhonda Byrne?
Yes!! (if that's what you're talking about- but it sounds like it)...
if you focus on the negative, say of the reactions, that what you send out, you'll get negative things back, say coughing sneezing.
So people read your mood! The world reads our mood, like how more flies seem to be trying to irritate us if we're already irritated or low... Everything that happens to us is a reaction to our mood. whatever your feelings are they directly translate to the environment and are returned by things that happen. Send out negativity, despair, fear, guilt - you'll get a whole host of negative things back... Even if you're behaving positively, if your moods are negative, you'll get bad reactions from your environment.
I started to think with 'love'/ positivity, as 'The secret' says.. it's definitely my favourite book.
It goes with what my best friend is saying to me all the time, I need to think positive. The best advice i got is to start each day with a positive thought, amazing how it can change your day and trigger other positive events.
It gets you to think about changing your mood and thoughts, I think we have to do this as well as changing the diet...
I would strongly advise people to read 'The Secret'.
The only time I ever feel I 'beat' someone coughing loudly around me, is when I made myself think positive
Too often I let just one cough ruin an otherwise perfect day. When you should just have stopped worrying about it the moment that person had gone away?
Be positive and calming in the face of everything.
that's exactly it eva25. Its about our thoughts. It's about our mindset. Positive thoughts. Positive thinking. I find when im thinking about something else (something other than the thought that plagues our mind everyday) it works. Its about our thought process. We need to change it. Think about something else. Focus on something else. You'll find that it works.. I'm not saying patm goes away for good but there's certainly beneficial factor.
Hi tamanna thanks for being supportive. Yes I do believe that saliva might be related to patm too and yes I have experienced bad breath since I was young (13). Sorry but, for the matter of privacy I will not answer the rest of your questions. But you said you were in the same situation and that you're recovering from it. Would you please say how you're recovering
Patm is a real biological problem that medical community have not the the reason to research. Unfortunately they must know it to exist prior to research. nature of the problem make it tedious for others to know its existence unlike ourselves. problem because theyre not convince there is a reason to investigate. Maybe u can force yourself to ignore cough but you cant explain away flu like symptoms, headaches and sickness for days from victims by psychological disorder. If you think your friends are not really sick when they say theyre then youre denying reality. you concluded that diet help and that is biological solution. Secret relating the mind was never secret because that information was always out in the world. Plainly it just mean you can get anything when you really want but just expressed in a fancy way. But you cannot change the law of nature with your mind as they do in the movies. Spoon bending and moving mountains with the mind is impossible in real life. Neither can you think away patm.
Like I've always said, you can't just say its in the head. Where did you do the research to make such assertions. As far as I know, there are no doctors or researchers on this forum to tell us what PATM is. There are only people who make wild guesses. PATM is undeniably a biological problem. Only when someone sober-minded researches and comes up with scientifc explaination will we tell what PATM really is. For now those claiming to know what PATM is are just rumbling from their imaginations. As for me, I'm concerned I don't jump with start at every cough I hear. I'v kept a sane mind through all this confusion. People I mix with know that I have a strange disease that makes people cough or sneeze. The brave ones have even asked me why this is so. So now where is it in the mind here? If we continue with this line of thinking we will never see a cure because the scientists will take us for a bunch of lunatics.
It is in the mind worsethanjob. I got better for a month (did my own thing, forgot about patm) but once the time was up to do that thing patm came back. It's not so much in our minds than it is part of who we have become. It's like our body is still in tact but our soul or whatever that escapes out of us when we die is not there.(by that I mean our personality, our character) when we die where are those things? what about our laughter?
where does that go?
this may not be relevant but just pointing out something..
It's good that you've kept a sane mind, I think that's the best thing to do.
My family and extended family know that it is my saliva causing the reactions but its as if I cant stop it. When I look at people (or acknowledge them) I hear voices like leave me alone, go away, shut up and the ever increasing screaming sounds in my head. Also do you guys see hallucinations? I'm on abilify right now.
I'd be interested to know how long you've been suffering for worsethanjob
My extended family have two people that were in the same situation as I am in now. one is better by taking medication and the others problem started in adulthood hence his better chance of recovery. I think medication is the answer. Its an imbalance of chemicals in our brains thats doing this. There could be more to this about the brain.
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google the forums, post, messages, yahoo answers, stories on there.
I'll keep you updated regards to my medication.
Hope everyone on this forum gets better. I don't pray I evaluate.
eHI guys.... I THINK of our disease ....feeding the candida or fungus in our body and also killing them both relaases toxins that causes the patm reaction...the toxins are coming otut of our breaths...
Guys dont you know that every tiime a single fungus dies or eats it releases 79 different toxins..wow thats a lot considering that they are billions in population.The body is so complex that it can handle all those lotsa lotsa of toxins..
but in our case PATM pips...........our body has to release them out from our bodies to somewhere in the air for some unexplainable reason ...or probably we no longer have space in our bodies to keep those toxins .......
From this what i'm seeing as a solution is for us to control foods that feed them get them to not be pampered ..and if ever i mean we need to reduce their poputation or kill some or else they're gonna still claim COLONY over our body putting the GOOD BACTERIAs secondary in our
bodiea....so Guys just found an article cut out a part of it ..to help us reducce thses toxins in our body ...So that if ever you kill those fungi...PATM will still be less...hope thses helps...........
People around the world sufferes the symptoms of die off or the toxins lingering in their bodies...like foggy brain,pms, skin itch,constipation and so the list goes on .(there's a lot about candida in the internet)
BUT FOR US PIPS WE HAVE TO SUFFER FROM THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TURMOIL OF PEOPLE COUGHING OR SNEEZING AROUND US BECOZ THEY ARE ABSORBING THESE TOXINS. That's our difference to
the other people.so lets reduce those toxins in our bodies so we can also be like the normal people.......... so the artice goes.................
While it is unusual, symptoms can last up to 10 to 12 days, and are often worse on days 2-4 of a cleanse. In most instance, though, as long as one makes effort to detox well, positive effects such as increased mental clarity and a general sense of well-being should begin to be experienced about days 4-6.
How to Minimize Candida Die-off Symptoms
While cleanse effects and Candida die-off symptoms are pretty much a given when beginning a healthier dietary plan and following a colon or liver cleanse protocol, there is no reason to have them be any more challenging than necessary! Some simple detox well steps go a long way to minimizing Candida die-off symptoms and making the process manageable and successful:
No "cold turkey" dietary changes: gradually reduce the amount of less than healthful foodstuffs and replace them with increased vegetables and good quality protein sources
Drink lots of clean water
Follow the appropriate cleanse dietary plan (i.e. Candida Foods List, Specific Carbohydrate Diet Foods List), modifying it as need be to accommodate specific food allergies or intolerances
Take your time at meals and chew food slowly and completely
Include a variety of healthful, fresh vegetables from your food list on a daily basis
Ensure you are having regular bowel elimination and that transit times are short (under 24 hours)
If bowels are sluggish, increase fibre and water intake and use cleansing herbs if necessary
Make room for rest
Take short walks
Get daily sunshine exposure and fresh air breaks
Use infrared saunas and steam rooms (avoid if you have heart trouble, high blood pressure or are diabetic)
Have Epsom salt baths—20 minute soak in 1-2 cups of Epsom salts per tub full of hot water; shower off after bath (avoid if you have heart trouble, high blood pressure or are diabetic)
Do daily dry skin brushing
If cleanse symptoms seem extreme, slow down the process by reducing any cleanse supplements being used
If concerned about doing a cleanse, consult with your healthcare practitioner before and during a cleanse.
IVE FOUND KIMCHI (ADD IT TO MY BLACK RICE ) TO BE A VERY GOOD AND HELPFUL HERB AND ANTIOXIDANT THAT GREATLY REDUCES THE TOXINS.... AND THE EPSOM SALT BATHS OR MAGNESIUM SALT BATHS
TO NEUTRALIZE THOSE TOXINS in OUR BODIES>>>>SO FAR THAT"s WHAT IM TRYING TO BE DOING >>>KIND OF FOUND OUT LATELY JUST DOING THESE TWO GREATLY HELPS.....
TO MY PATM>>>>AND OFCOURSE STILL NEED TO STOP DRINKING SODAS AND COFFE AND SUGAR which ive crashed out 2 days again and im now coming out of the mayhem.just woke up from freakout craving and now got myself together for a renewed self>>but hey when time is good and im able to repopulate the good bacteria..with tons of probiotic some time
after the cleamse probably can incorporate regular amounts of these ..in time ..God will help me.so Guys we can be like normal people again.....GOOD LUCK PIPS...my goal now is cleansing and after some time repopulate tons of good bacteria.....=) NO ONE CAN HELP US BUT HOW WE PUT OURSELVES TOGETHER ON THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, KEEP BELIEVING THAT WERE HEALING.
OUR DISEASE IS ACTUALLY NOT A DISEASE>>ITS JUST A NUTRITIONAL CONDITION THAT TAKES TIME AND PATIENCE TO NORMALIZE. THESE TOXINS ARE STILL CONTROLLABLE>> SO WHY
WE CAN STILL HANDLE THEM (CONSIDERING THAT THESE TOXINS CAN CAUSE A WIDE ARAY OF DISEASE LIKE CANCER, MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS, CHRONS DISEASE, THYOID DISEASEs WHEN THESE TOXINS FINDS A
VERY STRESSED OR HOT PART IN OUR BODY THESE TOXINS ATTACHED ITS SELF TO SOME ORGANS AND CAUSES DISEASE OURS THEY"RE JUST LINGERING AROUNd)
we can still fight from these fungi by doing healthy things undoing things we've got accustomed to......put it in your heart what you can still do...we're still lucky guys..come to think of it... WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES> THIS IS A NUTRITIONAL CONDITION. UNDOING the old bad habbits
It is not in the mind. I do believe it is something wrong in the gut for many believe but that is just a theory. There is some proof to hint. But what Im completely sure of is not a mental confusion whilst doctors are confused from lack of understanding. It look that you may have been harmed psychological when doctors put you on mental bills. Im sorry if that is the case. If we ever find a cure you should sue them. I dont believe for one sec you were like that before cos Im not hallucinating as you explain. but now you have patm and some mental problems too. Didnt they say they will cure you of patm so are you cured? No. Thats because chemicals whose purpose is to screw with your head have nothing to do with patm. My encouragement for you is stop taking the bills if its for patm. There is more proof that patm exist than all religion. All religions have no proof but people take it by faith. Can you conclude that the majority of the world is crazy because they believe in religions without proof? No! Advise that doctor that his conclusion on patm, with the same standard, will put a lot of things that are deemed OK in the division of insanity before patm does. Do yourself a favour and tell him to come in the forum and we will challenge him or give us his email. I believe he will have a new perspective afterwards. You can always ask your doctor permission to live with him for a month. Eat, sleep and work together in the same room. Keep as close to him as possible and speak straight at his face at all time. Relying upon your patm level 3 days is credibly the max he can endure before falling into deep illness. When he is sick keep staying by attending to him. I furthermore think that the nature of patm is also compelling people to deduce wildly.
I haven't been here for a while but I got rid of mine with plant based diet. You have to get your ph level back in balance. That means your diet should consist of 70-80% alkalizing which means you want to essentially stick to high-water-content green vegetables and eat them raw as much as possible. The other 20-30% should be fish, grains, soy, and starchy vegetables. Also, supplement your diet with probiotics and digestive enzymes and other herbs and vitamins. Also do liver flushes (you can find many online) and enemas. You don't need oxypowder like helpful12345 is telling everyone. I highly doubt he ever had PATM in the first place...he's just trying to sell his product. And don't listen to him when he says it's alright to eat meat...it's not!
Again, the key concepts are...
1. No meat, dairy, sugar (which means fruit also)!!
2. 70-80% diet should be essentially high-water-content green vegetables and eat them raw as much as possible.
3. 20-30% should be fish, grains, soy, and starchy vegetables
4. Probiotics and digestive enzymes along with other herbs and vitamins you think will be helpful.
What you forget is that no doctor or scientist in the whole wide world has investigated what patm is. Whoever the mad psychologist that came up with that name will be proven wrong in the future and not for his mistakes but the simple fact that none has even moved a single hair to investigate. First you do experimentation to affirm if a phenomenon exists or not. You do not think it when you sleep and come up with new named disease the next day. No scientist in the world has ever touched a single lab tool on the investigation if patm exist. NONE! Then they dare to come up with a diagnosis! Based on what! You cannot diagnosis an unknown disease from a nightclub. but you dont know that so I can understand your confusion. Its ok for psychologist not to want to investigate patm but to diagnose our problem, give it a name and explanation based on assumption is utterly absurd and shameful.Both scientists and us do not know what is patm and that is why we are searching. We have theories that appear to be supported by our daily reflection as yet. but we know for sure the problem exist and it has wholly nothing to do with psychologists. but it might steer some to insanity if we dont find a cure fast.Even so if you judge you are mentally insane then its your call. Forums out there exist for mental insane people which you may find help from. Tell your proud *** psychologist to get his *** down here and Ill ask him questions he wont understand. I urge everyone, if you have doctors who say you are mad then please invite him here. I will challenge and shame any doctor who hold themselves as smart *****.
You said: "You don't need oxypowder like helpful12345 is telling everyone. I highly doubt he ever had PATM in the first place...he's just trying to sell his product. And don't listen to him when he says it's alright to eat meat...it's not!"
Wow. You are amazing. Just amazing.
You know absolutely nothing about me -- nothing. Yet you say you doubt I ever had PATM in the first place.
Well, there is something that I don't doubt, for sure - that you are an IDIOT for making a statement like that.
The symptoms of PATM are pretty clear - you make people scratch, sneeze, cough, etc. when you are in close enough proximity. I couldn't make that up if I tried. And why would I want to? If I never had PATM, there would have been much better ways to spend my time than coming to this forum. I know what I went through for 3 months, and it was very real, thank you very much.
You say that I am just trying to sell a product. Wow. I started posting on this forum in May, when I first started getting the problem. I didn't start talking about Oxy Powder until AUGUST. So you are telling me that I pretended to have the condition, then only started trying to sell Oxy Powder after 2-3 months? That makes a LOT of sense.
Do yourself a favor and check out someone's posting history before you make such utterly ridiculous, and frankly insulting, statements. Then maybe you won't risk looking like such an ignoramus.
I tried practically everything before I used Oxy Powder - Bentonite, Hydrogen Peroxide, Colloidal Silver, Charcoal, Chlorophyll, Oil of Oregano, you name it. But nothing worked thoroughly until I tried Oxy Powder. The only reason I started talking about it so much is for three reasons:
1) It is based on a scientifically-sound idea - The idea behind OP is that releasing oxygen into your system kills toxins within it. There is no debate about this; you can just spend 5 minutes and do some Googling. Lots of people post theories about how different things can help your body, but very few people can actually explain the science behind their theories. I felt confident about OP because it did.
2) It worked quickly and thoroughly - It took only two weeks for my reactions to start going down after being on OP, and about a month for them to practically disappear. Yes, restricting your diet helps, and is necessary, but I wanted to let people on here know there was a faster way. No one wants to try getting rid of PATM for years and years if they don't have to.
3) I'm tired of seeing people suffer on here - I talk about OP so much because it worked for me, and I feel sorry when I hear people on here who are depressed and hopeless about curing this condition. I was inspired by Grateful2011 who keeps coming back on here even though she doesn't have to. And yet you sit there, saying you are cured, yet barely ever coming on this site to attempt to help other people who are suffering. A little bit selfish, no?
You say that people need a meatless diet, yet many of the people who have been cured on here have been able to continue eating meat. Is not eating meat healthier for humans in general? Yes. But it is not a necessary requirement to cure PATM. And you have absolutely no evidence that it is, so stop talking out of your rear.
Anyway, I'm not going to spend much more time responding to someone who clearly lacks intelligence. I have better things to do with my time. And since you think I'm just on here to sell a product, I'm going to stop visiting this forum. Maybe I will post on another forum where people's motivations aren't automatically assumed to be negative. Or start a website. In any case, I only posted on here to help people.
I no longer have PATM, and it has been great. And I want everyone on here to be PATM-free too. If anyone does have any questions for me, feel free to shoot me an e-mail. But otherwise, I am no longer posting on here.
I wish everyone on here the best. And once more for good measure, yourCall, you are an idiot.
You've been very helpful to us, it was because of you, grateful and a few others that I could recommend OxyPowder for my 2 brazilian friends (they used to post here too).
I did a long research about OxyPowder before that and most of the reviews were good and some dated back to 2002!! The only people who should be careful about the dosage are those with kidney problems, but that's it.
I don't have money right now but I'm saving and I'm going to buy OP as fast as can, thanks to you hopeful.
Thanks for your kind words. I will probably check the site out from time to time, and share some encouraging words, but I won't talk about Oxy Powder anymore, since that really seems to bother some people. But anyone who wants to give treating PATM a real shot will try it.
I would like to take this moment to point out some comments yourCall made in previous posts. I'm not making this up, you can go and check out his post history yourselves.
APRIL 17, 2013:
yourCall: "I just wanted to share that I've basically almost been PATM free without changing my diet yet (I will when summer rolls around) and just taking supplements. From taking these supplements my PATM is to the point of me not even thinking about it."
WorsethanJob (To yourcall): "Thanks for posting your recovery plan. Unfortunately for me, my PATM seems to be bouncing back. It's very frustrating. I really don't know what I am doing wrong now because I had almost solved this problem. What's your diet like? When you say you've not changed your diet, are you eating meat, sugar, bread?"
yourCall (response): "@WorsethanJob I eat simple carbs such as sugar and white bread, fast food, meat, very little fruits and veggies, and basically anything and everything but plan on changing it this summer when I am working and have money to afford a healthy diet."
SO, yourCall is not only an idiot, but a lying hypocrite. You can never escape from the Internet.
I want everyone on this forum to get better. I got better once and i'm sure I can do it again. this problem is more common than I thought and some have even made a full recovery. however I think there will be some residual symptoms there. Im sorry but its nothing o do with diet. I can state that that as a fact. Whatever you want to believe though. I only want all of us to get better. I want us t be extremely happy, live a healthy life. But how can you do that if you're going down the wrong route. Some of you may hurl "she's got it all wrong" which is totally up to you after all it is you who chooses to believe. I feel those hurling those insults should be on my medication, Abilify - its a third generation drug. What if your child came and told you that they made you cough? what could you do? its the same with doctors. what are they supposed to do. We don't know everything about life. Although after contracting this problem I feel like I do. Have anyone of you even remotely got better? I did and thats when I realised. I bet some of you haven't made eye contact with somebody. I never have. The reason? because it gives me voices and I hallucinate. I never realised this for about ten years until I got better. I'd be interested to know what are your daily thoughts. or are they voices? I'm able to make judgements because I know what it feels like to get better. Only once you have gotten better you will realise. However the downside - for me patm strikes everytime I look at people or acknowledge them. But we're constantly looking at people and acknowledging them. I went through life without acknowledging people or looking at them. It should be noted that I also had ocd. quite severe ocd. But thats all gone now. (again I cured myself).. I was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. although I agree with that I don't agree with it partly. Reason being because to me patm does exist. I do believe we are giving people these reactions but lets not dwell on that. Lets see how we can make improvements on that. Any ideas? So far I'm just living my life regardless of these problems. But how can we see improvements on that. To me it always seems not enough. That's part of why we are not getting better. Everyday is a struggle for me. And i'm sure it's the same for you. Everyday I think about killing myself. But then another day becomes a better day. I think time and dedication will get us better. But I cant hold that as a fact. (well maybe I can). I'm just gonna keep taking my medication and let you know how all that goes. Kepp in mind it could take up to a maximum of five years. Again TIME.
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