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Autism news?
Hi guys:
Last night on the news I heard them say that there has been new findings linking autism to vaccinations (I'm not sure if it was supporting the theory or not). I did not stay up to hear the entire newscast.
Did you hear anything? Thanks!
Last night on the news I heard them say that there has been new findings linking autism to vaccinations (I'm not sure if it was supporting the theory or not). I did not stay up to hear the entire newscast.
Did you hear anything? Thanks!
If you think the vaccine companies are looking after your health, think again. Recently a French judge has issued manslaughter charges against one vaccine company and is investigating another:
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssHealthcareNews/idUSL0173467120080201
'French authorities have opened a formal investigation into two managers from drugs groups GlaxoSmithKline (and Sanofi Pasteur over a vaccination campaign in the 1990s, a judicial source said late on Thursday.
Judge Marie-Odile Bertella-Geffroy also opened an investigation for manslaughter against Sanofi Pasteur MSD, a joint venture between Sanofi Aventis and Merck (MRK.N: Quote, Profile, Research), the same source said.
The investigations follow allegations that the companies failed to fully disclose side effects from an anti-hepatitis B drug used in a vaccination campaign between 1994 and 1998.
There was no immediate comment from the companies or the two managers involved.
From 1994 to 1998, almost two thirds of the French population and almost all newborn babies were vaccinated against hepatitis B, but the campaign was suspended after concerns arose about possible secondary effects from the treatments.
Some 30 plaintiffs have launched a civil action in the case, including the families of five people who died after vaccination.'
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssHealthcareNews/idUSL0173467120080201
'French authorities have opened a formal investigation into two managers from drugs groups GlaxoSmithKline (and Sanofi Pasteur over a vaccination campaign in the 1990s, a judicial source said late on Thursday.
Judge Marie-Odile Bertella-Geffroy also opened an investigation for manslaughter against Sanofi Pasteur MSD, a joint venture between Sanofi Aventis and Merck (MRK.N: Quote, Profile, Research), the same source said.
The investigations follow allegations that the companies failed to fully disclose side effects from an anti-hepatitis B drug used in a vaccination campaign between 1994 and 1998.
There was no immediate comment from the companies or the two managers involved.
From 1994 to 1998, almost two thirds of the French population and almost all newborn babies were vaccinated against hepatitis B, but the campaign was suspended after concerns arose about possible secondary effects from the treatments.
Some 30 plaintiffs have launched a civil action in the case, including the families of five people who died after vaccination.'
Yes, I'm a teacher, a special ed teacher and I can assure you that we have seen a rise in autism and it's not just a diagnostic issue. The UPI report, Dan Olmsted did a series on autism over the last couple of years and one (of many) articles he wrote really made the point.
http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/view.php?StoryID=20051204-060313-6829r
' thousands of children cared for by Homefirst Health Services in metropolitan Chicago have at least two things in common with thousands of Amish children in rural Lancaster: They have never been vaccinated. And they don't have autism. "We have a fairly large practice. We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines," said Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, Homefirst's medical director who founded the practice in 1973. Homefirst doctors have delivered more than 15,000 babies at home, and thousands of them have never been vaccinated. The few autistic children Homefirst sees were vaccinated before their families became patients, Eisenstein said. "I can think of two or three autistic children who we've delivered their mother's next baby, and we aren't really totally taking care of that child -- they have special care needs. But they bring the younger children to us. I don't have a single case that I can think of that wasn't vaccinated."..."We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would miss."'
I believe there is a genetic component to autism, but it's the loaded gun - and the shot is the trigger. Maybe getting vaccinated when your child is older, say 12, but then really what's the point? My husband hasn't been vaccinated against anything in 20 years and has never gotten any of the diseases they vaccinate kids for, flu included.
If you're healthy you don't get sick.
Another good book to read is "Evidence of Harm"
(http://www.amazon.com/Evidence-Harm-Vaccines-Epidemic-Controversy/dp/B000JU7MQ6/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205236584&sr=1-1)
It's a history of how the "Mercury Moms" fought for years to get thimerosal out vaccines and how the CDC fought tooth and nail to hide the autism-thimerosal link. It has a lot of facts and figures to refer to. Good book.
http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/view.php?StoryID=20051204-060313-6829r
' thousands of children cared for by Homefirst Health Services in metropolitan Chicago have at least two things in common with thousands of Amish children in rural Lancaster: They have never been vaccinated. And they don't have autism. "We have a fairly large practice. We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines," said Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, Homefirst's medical director who founded the practice in 1973. Homefirst doctors have delivered more than 15,000 babies at home, and thousands of them have never been vaccinated. The few autistic children Homefirst sees were vaccinated before their families became patients, Eisenstein said. "I can think of two or three autistic children who we've delivered their mother's next baby, and we aren't really totally taking care of that child -- they have special care needs. But they bring the younger children to us. I don't have a single case that I can think of that wasn't vaccinated."..."We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would miss."'
I believe there is a genetic component to autism, but it's the loaded gun - and the shot is the trigger. Maybe getting vaccinated when your child is older, say 12, but then really what's the point? My husband hasn't been vaccinated against anything in 20 years and has never gotten any of the diseases they vaccinate kids for, flu included.
If you're healthy you don't get sick.
Another good book to read is "Evidence of Harm"
(http://www.amazon.com/Evidence-Harm-Vaccines-Epidemic-Controversy/dp/B000JU7MQ6/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205236584&sr=1-1)
It's a history of how the "Mercury Moms" fought for years to get thimerosal out vaccines and how the CDC fought tooth and nail to hide the autism-thimerosal link. It has a lot of facts and figures to refer to. Good book.
The amount of children being diagnosed with Autism is on the rise. Note the word diagnosed. My son has recently been diagnosed and when I think back to when I was in high school I can now clearly recognise at least 3 people who were Autistic but they were never diagnosed. If I had had my son 10 years ago I doubt very much that he would have been diagnosed, we would have probably been told he had a speech delay and had trouble paying attention at times.
Who knows what causes Autism, personally I don't believe that it is just one thing, I believe many factors contribute, most of them there is nothing or little we can do about.
Who knows what causes Autism, personally I don't believe that it is just one thing, I believe many factors contribute, most of them there is nothing or little we can do about.
I second that the book from Stephanie Cave is a good informative book! She isn't *against* all shots, just believe you should wait a while, research and then space the ones you want out. That's what I am going to do, one thing is for sure, a doctor told me when I had my son vaccinated beginning 10 years ago that we would see a rise in Autism with the way they are adding shots together and the things they are doing differently then when *we* were little. And sure enough, it does seem to be on the rise.. but then again, the question I sometimes have to ask myself is.. is it really on the rise?... just more diagnosable? .. just more accidentally diagnosed?.. or has it always been sort of overlooked until recently? .. UGH!!!!! Why does everything have to be so stressful!
I have read alot on animal vaccine and what they do to them? took me many years of study. In fact if I didnt have the woods in the back of my house and the creek water. I wouldnt do any of them. The risk is nothing compared to the damage the vaccine does to the animal. (normal pet indoors) might I add. and they say rabies shot is the Law... no its not!
unfortunally it is a figure it out yourself type of deal. this world has put too many responsibilities on just one person answering dr, teacher, vet etc...Its really funny how illnesses tend to come in sperts? hmmmm
I wouldnt think the medical field isnt much diffrent then the vet. atleast when it comes to vaccines. there are things other peope just dont need to know. so they dont let it get out. godforbid them to let that go public!! who will sue..? and if you put your childs hands into a dr that isnt up to date?... scary...It really does pay to read up for your own knowledge and not just asumes your dr knows.
and oh what a Job!!! ... Im dreading it. but I will be looking into it. you cant help but wonder why now and all of a sudden so many? yet we as parents want proof.? the drs cant even give us proof!! so what is a person to do? well... Im going to do what I did for my pets.. find out some how. even if I do have to get a degree in medical science.. sorry so long.. this is such an upsetting and scary subject...anyway. I just hope it all come to a clear soon!!!
unfortunally it is a figure it out yourself type of deal. this world has put too many responsibilities on just one person answering dr, teacher, vet etc...Its really funny how illnesses tend to come in sperts? hmmmm
I wouldnt think the medical field isnt much diffrent then the vet. atleast when it comes to vaccines. there are things other peope just dont need to know. so they dont let it get out. godforbid them to let that go public!! who will sue..? and if you put your childs hands into a dr that isnt up to date?... scary...It really does pay to read up for your own knowledge and not just asumes your dr knows.
and oh what a Job!!! ... Im dreading it. but I will be looking into it. you cant help but wonder why now and all of a sudden so many? yet we as parents want proof.? the drs cant even give us proof!! so what is a person to do? well... Im going to do what I did for my pets.. find out some how. even if I do have to get a degree in medical science.. sorry so long.. this is such an upsetting and scary subject...anyway. I just hope it all come to a clear soon!!!
Hmmmm...I'm confused Chris...sorry. You aren't vaccinating your children. You believe the MMR does cause Autism or that something in the shots might...sorry. I just got a little confused. I really don't think it does. That's just my personal opinion though ...although I will hold off on some shots until right before my child goes to school. I've known families who haven't given there children the shots and they still have children on the spectrum. I think it has a lot to do with timing of the disorder. Who knows?? I also believe there is a genetic link. Time will tell..Are you a teacher too? .
Don't you mean they can NOT tell you with 100% that the vaccinne doesn't cause Autism?
And as for the MMR vaccine, the British doctor who was attacked and intimidated for suggesting the link back in 1998 stands by his work (http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2007/jul/08/health.medicineandhealth1). He makes a good point: "'As Vaclav Havel once said: "Follow the man who seeks the truth; run from the man who has found it." I can't tell you that we know that the MMR vaccine causes autism. But the Department of Health can tell you with 100 per cent certainty that it doesn't, and they believe that, and that concerns me greatly.'"
Yeah, I've been looking into it for a number of years, actually, and I too at first believed in the vaccination program. For a good book on the subject read "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations" by Stephanie Cave (http://www.amazon.com/What-Doctor-About-Childrens-Vaccinations/dp/0446677078/ref=pd_bbs_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205156736&sr=1-3)
It not only discusses the link between autism and vaccines, but asthma, diabetes and other neurodevelopmental disorders. The HepB vaccine-diabetes link is really strong (http://www.webmd.com/news/20000613/hepatitis-b-vaccine-linked-to-onset-of-diabetes). What's the point of vaccinating an infant, hours after birth, for a disease that only drug users and sexually promiscuous people are exposed to?
It not only discusses the link between autism and vaccines, but asthma, diabetes and other neurodevelopmental disorders. The HepB vaccine-diabetes link is really strong (http://www.webmd.com/news/20000613/hepatitis-b-vaccine-linked-to-onset-of-diabetes). What's the point of vaccinating an infant, hours after birth, for a disease that only drug users and sexually promiscuous people are exposed to?
wow... thanks chrishealy... need to do some reading. I was soooo mad at my ob for not pushing the flu shot to me, and Here I was really mad after getting soo sick, and now somewhat thankful.
I did do alot of resurch on my animals vaccines and refuse alot of them.
Now being prego.... I guess I need to do my homework on vaccines for children. ugh.. It just doesnt end.
I did do alot of resurch on my animals vaccines and refuse alot of them.
Now being prego.... I guess I need to do my homework on vaccines for children. ugh.. It just doesnt end.
Oops again. The link for the Geier study is here: http://www.jpands.org/vol11no1/geier.pdf. I should also point out that the study which showed a rise of autism following removal in thimerosal assumes that the only thing in vaccines that cause autism is mercury. The ingredients in vaccines include aluminum, engine coolant and formaldehyde, among others. Also, the assumption that the only source of mercury is from the shots given the child, when a pregnant mother who receives flu shots or other mercury-laced injections could be the source.
Oops. The last sentence should read "Decisions should NOT be made out of fear, but out of informed consideration."
Actually, there have been studies which show the connection between thimerosal and autism. The Geiers published a study in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, spring 2006 (http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009643619) which discussed the early downward trends of autism following the removal of thimerosal from vaccines. And another study in the journal Archives of General Psychiatry showed a continuous rise of autism in California from 1995 to 2007 (http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009643619) despite the removal of thimerosal. Thimerosal is still added to flu vaccines and the CDC has recommended it as part of the vaccine schedule just as thimerosal was phased out of other childhood vaccines.
There was a survey done recently that revealed that vaccinated children are two and a half times more likely to have neurological disorders
(http://www.pharmalive.com/News/index.cfm?articleid=454629&categoryid=10).
I find it amazing and revealing that no study has been done comparing vaccinated children to unvaccinated children which would settle the issue once and for all. Apparently, the CDC is more interested in protecting the pharma's than in children's health. My husband and I have no intention in vaccinating our child, despite the fear tactics used by doctors and and government officials. Decisions should be made out of fear, but out of informed consideration.
There was a survey done recently that revealed that vaccinated children are two and a half times more likely to have neurological disorders
(http://www.pharmalive.com/News/index.cfm?articleid=454629&categoryid=10).
I find it amazing and revealing that no study has been done comparing vaccinated children to unvaccinated children which would settle the issue once and for all. Apparently, the CDC is more interested in protecting the pharma's than in children's health. My husband and I have no intention in vaccinating our child, despite the fear tactics used by doctors and and government officials. Decisions should be made out of fear, but out of informed consideration.
He just told me that there was no proof that U/S doent couse Autisim and or any other problem with the fetus. and I should just leave well enough alone. In some cases it cant be helped and they need to see. but just for the joy? he woundnt do it. and if it were his wife he wouldnt let her.
I would talk to your OB and see what they say about it. of course Im going to listen to mine and just wait it out. smile ... Oh well I see her in May..wont be too much longer.
I would talk to your OB and see what they say about it. of course Im going to listen to mine and just wait it out. smile ... Oh well I see her in May..wont be too much longer.
Thanks for the input ladies.
Tennesseegirl or anyone - Are they really saying ultrasound might cause it? Dopplers use the same technology.
Has anyone else heard this?
Tennesseegirl or anyone - Are they really saying ultrasound might cause it? Dopplers use the same technology.
Has anyone else heard this?
I will separate out the MMR vaccine when I have children. I'm a spec. ed. teacher and work wtih kids on the spectrum so I'll do anything just to be sure but there hasn't been any research that proves vaccines cause Autism. One theory is that around the time they are given the MMR vaccine is when parents notice it but that's also when language is developing so it just happens to be around the same time. Better safe then sorry but most people are saying it's genetic. I would tend to agree with that more then the vaccines....
I always get weirded out to say something or refuse a shot. Last set was 4 shots at 15mo's and included the MMR. I asked the (OH SOOO HOT Dr.) if we should space them and he said not necessary. I also asked if he did all 4 of his boys like this and he said yes.... I kept a close eye on her and now she's 17 months and normal thank goodness. It is scary though...
Autisim has risen by 110% in the past 10 years or so since vaccinations are being pushed on children at younger and younger ages and in higher numbers of dosages. It is a very, very good idea to have your dr. put you on a protocol that stretches the vaccinations over a longer period of time and to eliminate any vaccinations that aren't absolutely necessary. In this country Autisim is 1 - 110. That is WAY too high a number for my liking and I am defintely being very, very cautious about the number of vaccinations I'm giving my child.
yea.. my ob told me yesterday there was case studies out on it and the same with u/s.
geez.. they dont know.. guess its just got them stumped. and gives us more to worry about! what can a mother do?
geez.. they dont know.. guess its just got them stumped. and gives us more to worry about! what can a mother do?
I had heard that there is no link , but most cases have sort of genetic factor along with the vaccine that could be triggering this problem. Scary!!! how do you know? my first 3 kids are perfect and had no problems, hoping to follow suit with my new lil guy =)
I saw the program about it last night on Larry King Live. A family has been awarded damages as their little girl developed autism after vaccinations. They are saying its not the "norm", but in this familys case, there was some pre-existing condition that the vaccinations made worse?? It was all very confusing, and they are still saying nothing has been proven. All the dr.'s on the show were saying bad idea not to get your child vaccinated, and to talk to your Dr. with any concerns. That was pretty much the jist of it. It didnt really explain the link.
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