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thyroid tests say normal but feel i am hypo HELP
I have major symptoms brittle hair it breaks off at 2 inches all over crown, tired, grit my teeth at night, headaches, upper back and neck tightness, joints hurt, night vision is bad, nails peel. I have had these symptoms for going on 10 years please help. I have had thyroid tested and drs say they are all normal .these are my recents test results
t3 uptake 30 normal 22.5-37
t4 total 8.0 normal 5-12
freet4 2.4 normal 1.6-3.6
tsh 1.565 normal 0.45-4.50
t3 uptake 30 normal 22.5-37
t4 total 8.0 normal 5-12
freet4 2.4 normal 1.6-3.6
tsh 1.565 normal 0.45-4.50
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After sorting through some doctors on my list, and crosschecking info through Google, I only have one candidate for you. Sending PM with info.
I have read symptoms of MSK usually develop at age 30 to 40. There isn't any mention of hair loss with MSK from a few medical websites I've read but you could ask on the MSK medhelp forum.
that is alot of my symptoms but MSK is something I was born with. Would it not have made these hair symptoms appear early on? I do know that I didnt know I had it until I was pregnant with my little girl so really no symptoms was shown till then but drs said it was because she was on top of my kidneys
I don't know much about your kidney issues but I found this comment online and she mentions some of your symptoms...
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Medullary-Sponge-Kidney-Disease-MSK-/when-will-I-learn-that-ER-trips-are-useless/show/1734694
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Medullary-Sponge-Kidney-Disease-MSK-/when-will-I-learn-that-ER-trips-are-useless/show/1734694
i was very sick when i was pregnant with the little girl that I lost. On IVs 6 months they ended up taking her early due to infection in my kidneys (i also have meduallary sponge kidneys). I had IUD merina i think after delivery but removed it about 7 years ago.I have never had any problems till 10 yrs ago always had long thick hair I am 37 now and this is so hard
I've had more deficiency states that you can poke a stick at! If you are really deficient in a specific nutrient you would need more than a multi vitamin generally speaking. This depends on the product, how much you are absorbing, and how much is in the supplement. I do prefer sublingual and effervescent although that isn't always easy to find. If I take a supplement then I take either Swisse and Nature's Own as both work with obvious results.
I should add I had bad night vision due to zinc and vitamin A deficiency. My hair has broken off as well although I have had so many deficiency states and other medical conditions I really can't point to what exactly the reason was but I did find this online: "Brittle or dry hair: Is likely to be a lack of iron, zinc and/or vitamin C."
Also, I remember writing another comment about zinc deficiency. Here is something I wrote a while back after researching it: vitamins and minerals most often responsible for hair loss are vitamin A, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, vitamin C, vitamin E, copper, iron, zinc, folic acid, and biotin.
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Vitamins--Supplements/zinc-deficeincy-question/show/1669131
I should add I had bad night vision due to zinc and vitamin A deficiency. My hair has broken off as well although I have had so many deficiency states and other medical conditions I really can't point to what exactly the reason was but I did find this online: "Brittle or dry hair: Is likely to be a lack of iron, zinc and/or vitamin C."
Also, I remember writing another comment about zinc deficiency. Here is something I wrote a while back after researching it: vitamins and minerals most often responsible for hair loss are vitamin A, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, vitamin C, vitamin E, copper, iron, zinc, folic acid, and biotin.
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Vitamins--Supplements/zinc-deficeincy-question/show/1669131
that is very good information and thank you for taking time to help me. I do take a multi vitamin would that be enough to help me? My number one complaint is my hear is so brittle and breaks all time on crown at about 2 inches. Its very hard to cope with. I am willing to try any tests
I had magnesium deficiency for years without a diagnosis so you too might be in the same boat. I don't have MPV but I do have mitral valve calcification. Just some info below although that isn't even close to the list of possible symptoms of magnesium deficiency.
Excerpt from Magnesium Deficiency Symptoms and Diagnosis
Posted by Dr Sircus...
"A full outline of magnesium deficiency was beautifully presented in a recent article by Dr. Sidney Baker. “Magnesium deficiency can affect virtually every organ system of the body. With regard to skeletal muscle, one may experience twitches, cramps, muscle tension, muscle soreness, including back aches, neck pain, tension headaches and jaw joint (or TMJ) dysfunction. Also, one may experience chest tightness or a peculiar sensation that he can’t take a deep breath. Sometimes a person may sigh a lot.”
“Symptoms involving impaired contraction of smooth muscles include constipation; urinary spasms; menstrual cramps; difficulty swallowing or a lump in the throat-especially provoked by eating sugar; photophobia, especially difficulty adjusting to oncoming bright headlights in the absence of eye disease; and loud noise sensitivity from stapedius muscle tension in the ear.”
“Other symptoms and signs of magnesium deficiency and discuss laboratory testing for this common condition. Continuing with the symptoms of magnesium deficiency, the central nervous system is markedly affected. Symptoms include insomnia, anxiety, hyperactivity and restlessness with constant movement, panic attacks, agoraphobia, and premenstrual irritability. Magnesium deficiency symptoms involving the peripheral nervous system include numbness, tingling, and other abnormal sensations, such as zips, zaps and vibratory sensations.”
“Symptoms or signs of the cardiovascular system include palpitations, heart arrhythmias, and angina due to spasms of the coronary arteries, high blood pressure and mitral valve prolapse. Be aware that not all of the symptoms need to be present to presume magnesium deficiency; but, many of them often occur together. For example, people with mitral valve prolapse frequently have palpitations, anxiety, panic attacks and premenstrual symptoms. People with magnesium deficiency often seem to be “uptight.” Other general symptoms include a salt craving, both carbohydrate craving and carbohydrate intolerance, especially of chocolate, and breast tenderness.”"
Excerpt from Magnesium Deficiency Symptoms and Diagnosis
Posted by Dr Sircus...
"A full outline of magnesium deficiency was beautifully presented in a recent article by Dr. Sidney Baker. “Magnesium deficiency can affect virtually every organ system of the body. With regard to skeletal muscle, one may experience twitches, cramps, muscle tension, muscle soreness, including back aches, neck pain, tension headaches and jaw joint (or TMJ) dysfunction. Also, one may experience chest tightness or a peculiar sensation that he can’t take a deep breath. Sometimes a person may sigh a lot.”
“Symptoms involving impaired contraction of smooth muscles include constipation; urinary spasms; menstrual cramps; difficulty swallowing or a lump in the throat-especially provoked by eating sugar; photophobia, especially difficulty adjusting to oncoming bright headlights in the absence of eye disease; and loud noise sensitivity from stapedius muscle tension in the ear.”
“Other symptoms and signs of magnesium deficiency and discuss laboratory testing for this common condition. Continuing with the symptoms of magnesium deficiency, the central nervous system is markedly affected. Symptoms include insomnia, anxiety, hyperactivity and restlessness with constant movement, panic attacks, agoraphobia, and premenstrual irritability. Magnesium deficiency symptoms involving the peripheral nervous system include numbness, tingling, and other abnormal sensations, such as zips, zaps and vibratory sensations.”
“Symptoms or signs of the cardiovascular system include palpitations, heart arrhythmias, and angina due to spasms of the coronary arteries, high blood pressure and mitral valve prolapse. Be aware that not all of the symptoms need to be present to presume magnesium deficiency; but, many of them often occur together. For example, people with mitral valve prolapse frequently have palpitations, anxiety, panic attacks and premenstrual symptoms. People with magnesium deficiency often seem to be “uptight.” Other general symptoms include a salt craving, both carbohydrate craving and carbohydrate intolerance, especially of chocolate, and breast tenderness.”"
Hi there, I am so sorry you are experiencing this. Doctors are supposed to take blood work and symptoms in to account.
Can you go to another doctor?
Take Care Dee
Can you go to another doctor?
Take Care Dee
Your information is so helpful, thank you for taking the time to write. Now I understand why my doctor thought my thyroid was to blame for mitral valve prolapse. After getting on thyroid meds I was tested and it did not show up.
Thanks again,
Dee
Thanks again,
Dee
stress just because this all started after loosing my daughter to SIDS. And my pupils do not constrict in light hardly at all.
We don't usually get around to testing for low cortisol unless something raises questions about the possibility of it. Since you asked about cortisol testing, is there something that makes you think it should be considered?
Thank you so much for taking time to listen to me and help me. I feel so all alone on this battle. I am in Asheville NC area. Do you also think I should test cortisol?
Tests for T3 uptake, Total T4 and Free Thyroid Index are outdated and not very useful. From that I surmise that your doctor has been around a long time, and is not up to date. So forget those tests in the future and insist on being tested for the biologically active thyroid hormones, Free T3 and Free T4 each time you go in for tests. Note that these are not the same as Total T3 and Total T4.
TSH is a pituitary hormone that is supposed to reflect your thyroid status; however, it is affected by so many things that at best it is only an indicator, to be considered along with more important indicators such as symptoms, and also Free T3 and Free T4 levels. Free t3 largely regulates metabolism and many other body functions. Scientific studies have shown that Free t3 correlated best with hypo symptoms, while Free t4 and TSH did not correlate at all.
A good thyroid doctor will treat a hypo patient clinically by testing and adjusting Free T3 and Free T4 as necessary to relieve symptoms, without being constrained by resultant TSH levels. You can get some good insight into clinical treatment from this letter written by a good thyroid doctor for patients that he sometimes consults with after initial tests and evaluation. The letter is then sent to the participating doctor of the patient to help guide treatment. In the letter, please note the statement, "the ultimate
criterion for dose adjustment must always be the clinical response of the patient."
http://hormonerestoration.com/files/ThyroidPMD.pdf
Most likely your doctor is paying no attention to your symptoms and instead is looking at your outdated lab results and your TSH being within range and deciding that you do not have a thyroid problem. I disagree with that. You will find most of your symptoms in a list of typical hypothyroid symptoms. Contrary to common understanding even your rapid hear rate can be associated with being hypo. This is a section of a very long list of symptoms that can be related to hypothyroidism.
Heart:
High blood pressure
Low blood pressure
Slow/weak pulse (under 60 bpm)
Fast pulse (over 90 bpm at rest)
Arrhythmia (irregular heartbeat)
Skipped beats
Heart flutters
Heart palpitations
Chest pain
High cholesterol
High triglycerides
High LDL (“bad”) cholesterol
Mitral Valve Prolapse
Atherosclerosis
Coronary Artery Disease
Elevated C-Reactive Protein
Fibrillations
Plaque buildup
Fluid retention
Poor circulation
Enlarged heart
Congestive Heart Failure
Stroke
Heart Attack
So you should go back and get tested for Free T3 and Free T4. I expect that you will find Free T3 in the low end of its reference range and Free T4 likely will be mid-range or below also. While there you also should discuss with your doctor and find out if he is willing to treat clinically, as described above. If not, then I expect that you will need to find a good thyroid doctor that will do so. If you will tell us your location, perhaps we can suggest a doctor, based on actual patient experience.
TSH is a pituitary hormone that is supposed to reflect your thyroid status; however, it is affected by so many things that at best it is only an indicator, to be considered along with more important indicators such as symptoms, and also Free T3 and Free T4 levels. Free t3 largely regulates metabolism and many other body functions. Scientific studies have shown that Free t3 correlated best with hypo symptoms, while Free t4 and TSH did not correlate at all.
A good thyroid doctor will treat a hypo patient clinically by testing and adjusting Free T3 and Free T4 as necessary to relieve symptoms, without being constrained by resultant TSH levels. You can get some good insight into clinical treatment from this letter written by a good thyroid doctor for patients that he sometimes consults with after initial tests and evaluation. The letter is then sent to the participating doctor of the patient to help guide treatment. In the letter, please note the statement, "the ultimate
criterion for dose adjustment must always be the clinical response of the patient."
http://hormonerestoration.com/files/ThyroidPMD.pdf
Most likely your doctor is paying no attention to your symptoms and instead is looking at your outdated lab results and your TSH being within range and deciding that you do not have a thyroid problem. I disagree with that. You will find most of your symptoms in a list of typical hypothyroid symptoms. Contrary to common understanding even your rapid hear rate can be associated with being hypo. This is a section of a very long list of symptoms that can be related to hypothyroidism.
Heart:
High blood pressure
Low blood pressure
Slow/weak pulse (under 60 bpm)
Fast pulse (over 90 bpm at rest)
Arrhythmia (irregular heartbeat)
Skipped beats
Heart flutters
Heart palpitations
Chest pain
High cholesterol
High triglycerides
High LDL (“bad”) cholesterol
Mitral Valve Prolapse
Atherosclerosis
Coronary Artery Disease
Elevated C-Reactive Protein
Fibrillations
Plaque buildup
Fluid retention
Poor circulation
Enlarged heart
Congestive Heart Failure
Stroke
Heart Attack
So you should go back and get tested for Free T3 and Free T4. I expect that you will find Free T3 in the low end of its reference range and Free T4 likely will be mid-range or below also. While there you also should discuss with your doctor and find out if he is willing to treat clinically, as described above. If not, then I expect that you will need to find a good thyroid doctor that will do so. If you will tell us your location, perhaps we can suggest a doctor, based on actual patient experience.
i also have a very high resting heart rate119 bpm and i feel it skip beats and sometimes have to sit down cause i feel it beat so fast.
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