Im starting the recipe..got some Q's.....

[erotisy]

Hey everyone...HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!! I gotta tell you, I'm sooo excited , I'm really gonna do it. I want it more than the first time..and that first time I went 4 days cold turkey..(hell)..so I think I'm really gonna pull thru!!! Anyways....I'm gonna do it with this recipe, but I've been back on my Wellbutrine..its a anti-depresant. In the directions for it, it says don't take L-Tyrosine with a SSRI.(serotonin reuptake inhibitor), like prozac,Effexor,paxil..any psychiatric mood elevators.... HUH???
Does that mean I should stay away from the "wellbu." until I'm done with detox??? AND.... How long do I do the recipe? I'm scared I might think its over, but its not..its happened before. So let me know ok? The point about having hot bath ready at all times is sucky...WHAT A TIME FOR MY HEATING ELEMENT TO BRAKE IN MY HOT WATER HEATER....ahhhhh......I'll boil the damn water if I  have to,,,,haha... I'm doing this come hell or high water!!!!  I'm starting as soon as I get the **** for it.. so let me know what you can..a.s.a.p......thanks, EROTISY

[Durty]

I had the same L-tyrosine concern as i take paxil as well.  I just started a new tapper down which will last about 20 days to get me to zero.  I've done it this way before and made it successfully --- but the last 3 times relapsed after 4-6 weeks clean - so guess wasn;t so successful.  Anyway, I kept taking the paxil and took 2500mg Tryosine during the process and didn't notice or have any problems.  I'm no doctor, just telling you what I did.

I have a QUESTION maybe someone can answer:  I take Zydone which is Hydro/tylenol.  Is hydro, hydro? I mean, would this be the same as the hydro in vicodin or others like it.  Just curious.  

Happy New year all - durty on way to clean again

[monalisa]

I assume that hydro is hydrocodone. My doctor gave me Norco and didn't tell me what it was. I called the pharmacy and sure enough it was hydrocodone/tylenol. I never filled the prescription, because I just wanted off the hydrocodone. I guess you can look at it as more withdrawing ahead with a slower wean. It depends on what you can handle. Happy New Year. To better times!!!

[skipper]

hey people:
wellbotrine and l-tyrosine are well tolerated togather. Welbutrine
is not an SSRI.
started a detox dec 31 and am now in day 3. what a way to start the
new year! don't know how long it will last, but will see.
keep an angel on your shoulder!

[erotisy]

I CAN'T tell my dr. anything!! I just cant. I usually can find anything, (streets), but that  sounds like a hard one.. I'll see what I can do. By the way I do have a script of valuim.. its a mild one but I've taken it before Jonezen..it helped alittle. Ya,i hope everything will work out, Im sick and tired of being sick and tired..............erotisy

[alchemist]

Sorry to bust in on the thread.  But I keep seeing the term "jonesing" what does it mean?

[Telby]

It's an old junkie term, means to crave drugs, or often the term used for when withdrawl starts.  Don't know where it came from but it's been around a long time.  A drug "Jones" Telby

[erotisy]

keep up the good work skipper!! I'm here if you need to vent or talk !!  As for my Question with taking the recipe/wellbutrine....THANKS A MILLION....Ok so the only thing I'm waiting for is to find out if I should taper down my doses then start the recipe...or do both.. let me know....Jezzzz I'm starting to get really scared about trying to detox again.. Its like making your self jump in a pit of fire..either you'll come out ok..or you really get burned...I'm trying but that little devil inside my head is fuckin with me again....talk to all u later......love erotisy

[skipper]

Erotisy:
if fear is causing you to have second thoughts, then it's time to
stop listening. Ya want fear calling all the main "shots?"

add to your detox material a Rx of klonipam. even if your using
anotber benzo to sleep. klonipam will give it's user a sense of
"wellbeing." Just the thing to ward off panis attacks that always hit ya' square in the guts! In fact klonipam is the only benxo i've been taking.
monday night was like dante's enferno.cold burning flesh and gut
cramps were the feature.my wife and i watched sci. fi channels
marriathon of "Twilight Zone." i don't know if that was the best mood setter!
yesterday felt much better. i was even able to eat soup for sup-
per.
today i have this sensation of waking up from a narcotic coma. i'm
still the same person as when i'm stoned except i'm mot as "nice"
(as my wife puts it). she seems pleased to have the real "me" back
for  however long.
best of luck with any who attempt a detox-remeber attitude is the
only thing we actually have control of

keep an angel on your shoulder!
kip

[erotisy]

well your doin good I see.. Do I have to get a script for that klo.. thingy?
one of the things differant we have, is me and my hubby get along AWSOME when I'm on stuff.. Its me I know!! I'ts like I talk myself into feeling better about my life, marriage, everything when I'm on stuff. Thats the big thing I need to overcome..not just the addiction. I'm scared of loosing my marriage when its all said and down, ya know? It hasnt been that great for awhile... but when I'm on stuff, its like were all better, good sex, we talk alot, do stuff together... we need to work on our problems not hide them..I know all this already.. its a matter of just dealing with it all....erotisy

[alchemist]

were is the other forum that you mentioned?

[skipper]

SSFR:
such a pleasure to hear fromy you on any forum! I agree completely
with you about klonipin (or any other benzo) being dangeriously
addictive. detox and common sense must travel togather to reach
a positive outcome.

about you SSFR:
i seem to recall something about you and detox. if i'm right, how's
it going? I'm in day four of too many mg. of oxy 3 times day detox. the only bad night was new years eve.i felt like something out of
Dante's Inferno. it only lasted 5 hours. the rest has been so easy
i keep waiting for the other shoe to drop. best of luck with your
detox, if you are doing one.
now you should know enough to keep an angel on your shoulder!
kip
ps tell all the people who migrated to the new forum--i really miss
them--wish we could get more than an occasional comununication from
them!

[skipper]

sorry to depart soo qick but old "opium jones" just blew a force 9
gale into my colon. is this the best he's got for day 4? plan on
waiting till daylight to walk "meaty-boy my overweight Keeshound.
this breed of dog thrives on cold weather (no shortage of that
here!). poor boy's had his nose in the air a week before it came.
one man's curse....
love and need you all
keep an angel on you shoulder
kip

[erotisy]

ok so it looks like my vallium won't do the trick huh? Do you think I could get the klon. script by using another reason? Is it only given for detox or things like that?
Thank you guys alot!!! all this info, and support does wonders for my head these days. Your very right about me being scared, I feel like I'm about to go down a huge roller-coaster with no seat belt on..
I'll be checkin in later..thanks again.
P.S. I think my angels on my shoulder is all of you people!!!!!

[Telby]

Well a walk in the cold with the pooch will definatly let you know if the dragon is with you.  Best of luck and please know that you are my hero.  love, Telby

[skipper]

Erotisy:
valume will work very well. It's nice to have both, but one or the
other is beter than nothing! the first couple nights will be rough,
but stick to the zink, b complex, anf l- tyrosine, and the rest is
pretty easy.(ha,ha)
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[skipper]

Telby:
i always know when jones is around-see he doesn't take a bath-
hates the feelin of water on his skin! let me tell ya it was like
6 below zero! Dutch (meaty-boy) loved it. he is already looking
like he's ready for the afternoon walk. i return to work next mon-
day. the Thursday after see the pain Doc. we'll just have to see..

keep an angel on your shoulder

kip

[butterbeans]

Don't let the drug control your reactions and interactions with your husband. I did that. You will make a bad mistake.  If he loves you, and you know it, confide in him and ask for help.  If you aren't sure he can handle it, seek outside treatment. I have been there and have hurt so much from my mistake!
Love butterbeans

[erotisy]

my hubby knows my problem.. he's very supportive. ok here's the real deal no sense in hiden it any more, my hubby is disabled. He suffers from chronic back pain..he's got 3 crushed vertabrae, he will and is medicated for life.. he's due for back surgery this year.. so the real poop is I started taken oxy's, with him when I had my hysterectomy..it helped the pain..UNREAL!! I was addicted. I've had a hard time with my health the last 3-4 years, cancer, 4 surgerys..then hysterectomy, foot surgery,(due for another foot surgery next month..ANYWAYS!!! He knows I'm hooked, I came sooo close to stealing his med.'s many times. we all know how withdrawls are.. but I got most of my supply on the streets. So there...huh???? He's been great with helping me. Its alot harder knowing there in the house all the time, and when I'm jonezen..I feel like i hate him cuz I know he's on oxy's...ya know?? he need's it really bad and its not right for me to abuse it.. its people like me that ruin it for the ones who need it.. he's lookin into a pump..well everyone who reads this and knows my story..well there's more to it than you thought huh?.....lol
ok so I spilled the beans..........erotisy

[skipper]

Erotisy:
a junky's life is usuall never as it appears to be. you have done
no wrong for thinking what you've thought!welcome to the forum,
ther is always room for one more junky!
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[Telby]

Your beans are no different then everyone elses.  We all have our secrets and our guilt, but we also know the way it breaks your heart.  I am very glad to see you posting.  You have not said one single thing that is shocking or that sounds outragious.  We all need each other for support and understanding and when you can't stand your self anymore there will be people who are strong enough that day to give you the strength you need.  Then the next day you'll give it back to someone else in need.  I don' envy you having someone with a supply of oxycontin in the house, that would keep me up nights for sure.  I give you a lot of credit for all that you've been through and yet your not giving up - that makes you very brave in my book.  Please stay on line and with us because as Skipper says " we needs you"   much love, Telby

[Durty]

Hate to bust in..  Kip.. your gale 9 force had me rolling! Thanks.  I'm on day 4 of my tapper down.  The first jump was the big one.  Went from 150 hydro to 75 hydro for 3 days, then drop 1 every other day till zip.  Done it this way 3 times before as I can't handle the cold turkey.  Anyway, when I start he tapper and do the big first drop off, I get a head cold to kill for.  I mean feels like someone trying to push my eyes out from the inside, congested head, etc.  I don;t get the craps much just the damm head cold congestion that kicks my ass. Anyone else get this?  This all part of the w/d?     I'd actually take the Gale 9 Force than deal with this head ****.  Thanks all,  Durty (getting clean)

[Telby]

Oh yeah, my eyes pour my nose runs and I get this awful **** in my throat.  Opiates dry you out so the withdrawls cause the opposite effect.  I don' get the diareha (sp) that others get but the cold chills and muscle pain are horrible.  Water hurts, air hurts, and unfortunatly being touched hurts.  Do check the detox receipe that Thomas has posted on the other board.  In a nutshell, its B Complex with L-tyrosine - around 4,000mg. of the L-Tyrosine with the B a day.  Our poor brains think their dying when we take the opiates away so vitamins and supplemnts give our brains a glimmer of hope, and us to.  Best of luck and try to get some sleep when you can.  love, Telby

[Durty]

I'm heavy on the recipe. It helps a good bit.  I get so tired of being sick and tired that one day I hope I will actually be so sick and tired of being sick and tired and stay off.

[erotisy]

wow..that helped alot.. I guess i needed alittle "lift" today. Ya its gonna be HELL trying to sober up with hubby having it, but I keep thinking If I can do it, then it will just help me deal with it everywhere..its like it will keep me strong..(i hope).. but i'm doin it!!!! I want this to much to give up. I have way to much **** to take care of ya know?
I gotta say, everyday its getting harder and harder to cut back. its the tempation that killing me. I'm on 1/2 in the morning and 1/2 around supper. It used to be a whole in am..a whole at pm.. so Im slowly gettin there.. its hard when I have a bad day, not to just take an extra. But I'm gonna start the recipe soon, and I made a promise to myself once I start that....I'M DONE... I'll need alot of you to help, I know you will be there..thanks
better go..its gonna be along night....erotisy