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**Calling All Suboxone Users!!!!***
Hello Everyone. I am posting this for a friend here that is really struggling. She is thinking of trying Sub. as a last resort. She is asking my advice, but I have never used it. I guess what I am asking is if you can share your experience with suboxone. Whether you are on sub or not.....would you recommend it to others.
Thank you very much!
Luv,
Nauty............
Thank you very much!
Luv,
Nauty............
Thank you for sharing your experience. I have had almost exactly the same problem, although the length of use time has been longer. It doesn't matter, a month or a lifetime, it is still horrible. I believe that I may be on Sub for the rest of my life. It SAVED my life. To everyone who was able to get off of it and no longer use, that is amazing! You should be proud :) I am proud of myself too. I took the steps that I needed to begin glueing the broken pieces of my life back together. I realized that I had zero chance, for WHATEVER reason, of ever living a normal life, if I did not seek proper therapy. Yes, those of us that take sub know that it is a drug. We know we are not taking vitamins. It does not need to be pointed out anymore. The difference between (at least for me) using sub as opposed to a $300/day off the street intranasal oxy addiction is that...well, let's see. 1. I wake up every day knowing that I will get through it in a sane (as sane as anyone, I guess :) ) and safe fashion, and that I will not be putting myself in a dangerous scenario to acheive a method to my madness 2. I am no longer afraid. I was off of oxy for 5 days on sub treatment when I just exhaled and realized that I had been walking around with a knot of panic and terror for as long as I could remember. For the first time in forever, I started laughing again, I started feeling again. It was not empty drug-induced euphoria. It was a person inside of there, happy to be alive and to be given the second chance to acheive what I had so long ago given to my addiction. I did yoga and swam in the ocean and sat at an outdoor cafe for tea. People take these things for granted, but coming out of the depths of hell, where I had lost all interest in life, normal activities have become a joyous experience. 3. I am not dead. I have no fear of overdose. I take my meds responsibly. I have not traded one pill for another. I have traded certain death or hell or both for a taste of what it is like to live with hope. I do not have to pretend. I am what I am, and I am happy for the first time in 12 years. NOT because sub made me happy, but because I was ready to change and sought the proper treatment, and was lucky enough to have it available with a great doctor and an even better support system, through my family and NA. This is not a miracle pill. Santa doesn't exist...BUT, If you have tried everything and every avenue that you can, and your still out of control, along with proper counseling, it will give you the forum to allow yourself the safe recovery that you so desperately need. It is not for everyone, that is true, but for the people that it has helped, for the addicts lives that it HAS saved, well, I think that it does say a great deal about the effectiveness of this medicine, and that is not to shake a stick at. 4. I am only 28 years old. I am a classical musician and an assistant film director. I was giving everything up. I have dreams again. And terrible constipation.
I'm going to confess that I haven't read all the replies. As soon as it started to read as though there was drama, I skipped to the post comment box. I have to avoid Sub drama at all costs because MY recovery depends upon it.
I was put on Sub in February 2009. After 3 1/2 months and plenty of anti-Sub postings and my own less than ideal experiences, I relapsed off Sub. My problem with being off Sub was that I couldn't stay clean. I detoxed off oxys at the end of May and repeatedly relapsed for the next two months, never getting more than twelve days clean without wanting to put a gun to my head.
Personally, I think the whole ... if you're not taking a high enough dose of an opiate, you don't qualify for Sub... idea is totally wrong. When I was put on Sub this last time, I had just detoxed from 200+mg/day BUT I was no longer really physically dependent. My withdrawal for the induction was practically nil because I had detoxed the week prior and had only used for three days before my appointment with the addictions doctor. All the same, if I hadn't been inducted, I would have been right back at 200+mg/day within a week, just as had happened to me the past two times I came off a ten and then a twelve-day clean spree. It wasn't the physical withdrawal that made me relapse. It was the horrible mental obsession that made me want to jump out of my skin, kill myself or kill someone else. I had started to hurt myself to distract from the obsession, it was soo horribly bad.
Everyone's case is individual. My history of active DRUG addiction is short. Still, the addiction is so strong that, right now, I have two options: use dope or take Sub. Is it better for someone to abuse 70mg of oxy or for them to be TREATED with whatever amount of Suboxone? Currently, I'm on 16mg of Sub. Although some may consider it burying my head in the sand, I'm avoiding all information that would sway me against Suboxone therapy because I remember the obsession and I fear that for me to end Sub therapy would mean relapse and I'm an opiate sponge. Though I've only used oxy since November of last year, my use went from 15mg/day to 110mg/day in two months and then from 15mg/day to 200+mg in two weeks after relapsing off Suboxone. I have a legitimate fear of OD'ing on my next relapse. I only went back on Sub because I felt that I HAD to. It was not how I had wanted to get off oxy. I had to swallow a huge piece of humble pie when I went back on Suboxone.
Is Suboxone without negative consequences? Probably not. Still, I have had to come to accept that it's what I need right now to stay off oxy or H. I'm fortunate to have a sponsor who in spite of not typically being pro-DRT is taking me through the steps because she sees a definite difference in the quality of recovery experienced by a Sub-treated addict vs a Methodone-treated addict.
I've strayed from the topic. I apologize. I only post all this because I feel that it's important to realize that everyone is different. There are many people whom I don't tell that I'm on Sub therapy because THEY don't think that MY addiction warrants Sub Therapy. But, I assure you, THEY were not inside THIS head, trying to endure an obsession that wanted either to take my life quickly by means of suicide or take it within a matter of days by forcing me back into active addiction, which taking my life more slowly would leave a wreck of my life and my family in the wake.
I wish your friend all the best. I hope that your friend decides whatever is best for HER battle with this disease.
I was put on Sub in February 2009. After 3 1/2 months and plenty of anti-Sub postings and my own less than ideal experiences, I relapsed off Sub. My problem with being off Sub was that I couldn't stay clean. I detoxed off oxys at the end of May and repeatedly relapsed for the next two months, never getting more than twelve days clean without wanting to put a gun to my head.
Personally, I think the whole ... if you're not taking a high enough dose of an opiate, you don't qualify for Sub... idea is totally wrong. When I was put on Sub this last time, I had just detoxed from 200+mg/day BUT I was no longer really physically dependent. My withdrawal for the induction was practically nil because I had detoxed the week prior and had only used for three days before my appointment with the addictions doctor. All the same, if I hadn't been inducted, I would have been right back at 200+mg/day within a week, just as had happened to me the past two times I came off a ten and then a twelve-day clean spree. It wasn't the physical withdrawal that made me relapse. It was the horrible mental obsession that made me want to jump out of my skin, kill myself or kill someone else. I had started to hurt myself to distract from the obsession, it was soo horribly bad.
Everyone's case is individual. My history of active DRUG addiction is short. Still, the addiction is so strong that, right now, I have two options: use dope or take Sub. Is it better for someone to abuse 70mg of oxy or for them to be TREATED with whatever amount of Suboxone? Currently, I'm on 16mg of Sub. Although some may consider it burying my head in the sand, I'm avoiding all information that would sway me against Suboxone therapy because I remember the obsession and I fear that for me to end Sub therapy would mean relapse and I'm an opiate sponge. Though I've only used oxy since November of last year, my use went from 15mg/day to 110mg/day in two months and then from 15mg/day to 200+mg in two weeks after relapsing off Suboxone. I have a legitimate fear of OD'ing on my next relapse. I only went back on Sub because I felt that I HAD to. It was not how I had wanted to get off oxy. I had to swallow a huge piece of humble pie when I went back on Suboxone.
Is Suboxone without negative consequences? Probably not. Still, I have had to come to accept that it's what I need right now to stay off oxy or H. I'm fortunate to have a sponsor who in spite of not typically being pro-DRT is taking me through the steps because she sees a definite difference in the quality of recovery experienced by a Sub-treated addict vs a Methodone-treated addict.
I've strayed from the topic. I apologize. I only post all this because I feel that it's important to realize that everyone is different. There are many people whom I don't tell that I'm on Sub therapy because THEY don't think that MY addiction warrants Sub Therapy. But, I assure you, THEY were not inside THIS head, trying to endure an obsession that wanted either to take my life quickly by means of suicide or take it within a matter of days by forcing me back into active addiction, which taking my life more slowly would leave a wreck of my life and my family in the wake.
I wish your friend all the best. I hope that your friend decides whatever is best for HER battle with this disease.
mtgoat-
I wanted to personally say thank you for offering your insight. I am not sure of what has been said before as I am new to this forum. I am also not interested in knowing as I myself like to stay as drama free as possible. I think I have created enough of that in my life previously. I really do appreciate what you bring to the table as I am completely unaware of where you are coming from. I would love to hear your side of things if you have the time. If you do not feel like sharing on this thread please feel free to pm me. In turn I also appreciate late augusts insight as well as it brings another dynamic to the table. Knowledge is power regardless of ppl's opinions. I do apologize if at any point it seemed that what you had to say was not valid.
I wanted to personally say thank you for offering your insight. I am not sure of what has been said before as I am new to this forum. I am also not interested in knowing as I myself like to stay as drama free as possible. I think I have created enough of that in my life previously. I really do appreciate what you bring to the table as I am completely unaware of where you are coming from. I would love to hear your side of things if you have the time. If you do not feel like sharing on this thread please feel free to pm me. In turn I also appreciate late augusts insight as well as it brings another dynamic to the table. Knowledge is power regardless of ppl's opinions. I do apologize if at any point it seemed that what you had to say was not valid.
Well here goes my second attempt, the site was being updated when I tried a few hours ago. Never as good the second time around.
It is great to see that even though there are differing opinions that really in the end we are all just seeking the same end result and that is to not be held captive by our drugs of choice any longer,
I myself have done both in my different attempts to stop using pain killers and muscle relaxers, I have stopped using by quitting CT as well as with my most recent choice of quitting by using Sub, For me my choice to go the Sub route was not because I was afraid to go CT, although it can be very uncomfortable and being scared is OK! I went the Sub route due to my daily panic attacks w/ agoraohobia I needed to raise my "receptor" levels STAT. For me, I was fortunate and it did the trick.
Thankfully I stumbled upon this Forum (coinsidentally by typing Suboxone into Google). It has opened my eyes to a world that I did not know existed. Very grateful that I have ppl that I can relate with and that I feel relate to myself. I have to admit I was naive and was not aware of the potential of becoming addicted to a medication that I thought was there to help, not hinder. Also it was not something that made me feel "high" so I have not abused it. Although, now that I am aware of the possible dangers I have made a decision to go ahead and taper off Sub. I don't think I need it any longer and would like to see what happens with my anxiety when I am off the medication altogether. For me it was the right thing to do and I am glad I went this route. However, I do hope that maybe this thread will shed some light and make ppl aware that we need to be here for eachother regardless of ones path. I do not think one type of person is "better" than the other and each person needs to do what is right for them. Our goals should be to stay sober and lend a hand to eachother when the other may be struggling. I do believe it was never anyones intent to cause verbal harm or say that someone is doing it the wrong way. In assuming innocence I believe that each person is passionate about this topic and does not want to see anyone possibly struggle the way they may have.
I know I type "novels" often and I apologize for the length. I hope this makes sense. Again, thank you all for your insight and I look forward to speaking with you all soon.
Take Care~ HnS
It is great to see that even though there are differing opinions that really in the end we are all just seeking the same end result and that is to not be held captive by our drugs of choice any longer,
I myself have done both in my different attempts to stop using pain killers and muscle relaxers, I have stopped using by quitting CT as well as with my most recent choice of quitting by using Sub, For me my choice to go the Sub route was not because I was afraid to go CT, although it can be very uncomfortable and being scared is OK! I went the Sub route due to my daily panic attacks w/ agoraohobia I needed to raise my "receptor" levels STAT. For me, I was fortunate and it did the trick.
Thankfully I stumbled upon this Forum (coinsidentally by typing Suboxone into Google). It has opened my eyes to a world that I did not know existed. Very grateful that I have ppl that I can relate with and that I feel relate to myself. I have to admit I was naive and was not aware of the potential of becoming addicted to a medication that I thought was there to help, not hinder. Also it was not something that made me feel "high" so I have not abused it. Although, now that I am aware of the possible dangers I have made a decision to go ahead and taper off Sub. I don't think I need it any longer and would like to see what happens with my anxiety when I am off the medication altogether. For me it was the right thing to do and I am glad I went this route. However, I do hope that maybe this thread will shed some light and make ppl aware that we need to be here for eachother regardless of ones path. I do not think one type of person is "better" than the other and each person needs to do what is right for them. Our goals should be to stay sober and lend a hand to eachother when the other may be struggling. I do believe it was never anyones intent to cause verbal harm or say that someone is doing it the wrong way. In assuming innocence I believe that each person is passionate about this topic and does not want to see anyone possibly struggle the way they may have.
I know I type "novels" often and I apologize for the length. I hope this makes sense. Again, thank you all for your insight and I look forward to speaking with you all soon.
Take Care~ HnS
Eagle would be Maria's brother ......I forget his name. lol
Of course I would have to be Maria........Who's the pretty girl in that mirror there.......what mirror where......who could that attractive girl be.......such a pretty face , such a pretty smile .....such a pretty meeeeeee.
See I already know the words. I just have to get my dance routine down.
I love to be in Amereca.....everything free in Amereca..........Oh and .......Officer Crupkee f...u...
I guess I was a big West Side Story fan. lol
Of course I would have to be Maria........Who's the pretty girl in that mirror there.......what mirror where......who could that attractive girl be.......such a pretty face , such a pretty smile .....such a pretty meeeeeee.
See I already know the words. I just have to get my dance routine down.
I love to be in Amereca.....everything free in Amereca..........Oh and .......Officer Crupkee f...u...
I guess I was a big West Side Story fan. lol
to each his own.....no one is knocking sub users or knocking non sub users......we are all just trying to get the most info on anything that can help to get off these drugs......i'm sure that many people were saved by sub and the people having a prob. with it is people who abuse it...but, we are all addicts and addicts abuse anything they find changes their mind state....kudos to those who used sub to save their life and kudos to those who went CT and it saved their life...everyone goes about it a different way the ONE thing that is so important is getting off the drugs..no matter how u go about it as long as you do it......i think everyone is just stating their opinion or feelings on what they know about each method......experienced or not..there is alot of info. on here about all methods and anyone can read someones life experience and see if they want to go through it themselves or not....anyone who is trying to help others deserves the best and they are taking the time out of their sober lives to help others to the other side the sunny side.....helping others gives much needed redemption to past users as they have been there before and can share their experiences with all who are interested...so on that note THANK YOU TO ALL WHO ARE HELPING OTHERS OVER TO THE SUNNY SIDE...THANK YOU!!! and THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR INFORMATIVE OPINIONS>>>>>YES OPINIONS>>>>> :)
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