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What does "clean" mean to you and how will you stay that way?
This question hasn't been asked for awhile and it's always interesting and helpful to hear what everyone's thoughts are. There are no "right" answers. We are all here for help with our addiction. Some of us are clean and some of us are getting there. How do we stay clean? Please,everyone,share your thoughts on being clean and staying that way.
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Thats a great question.I believe it can hold the same definition,but be told in many different ways.Thers the 12-step clean and Sober deffinition,theres the harm reduction definition and there is Sober(from your drug of Choice) This is a Narcotic Board,nadcotic by deffinition are opiate base drugs,not Alcohol,Marijuana.Benzos,cocaine. etc.Lets take it on a first things first rule:If percocets where my Misstress and my Higher Power and made my life unmanagable,and NOW i an Perk- Free then i can call myself a success. Dont get caught up in Somebody Elses deffinition,especiaklly People who tell you GOD Cured them..Ask them, then why do you still Smoke.The two founders of A>A> Both died from smoking,and they both claimed to have been Set-FREE by GOD. So its a persons own deffinition and belief JOHN k in toronto
I thought I'd pull this skeleton out of the closet! LOL It's always great to read and remember
and maybe add to it for posterity! xo
and maybe add to it for posterity! xo
being clean to me is free from ALL mind altering substance,living cleans is being kind to all, forgiving ppl who have hurt me, willing to forgive myself, thinking of others, living a totally different life, doing things I DONT want to do...lol..as an addict I am self centered, I can take anything and turn it around to fit and suite my needs !!! so being clean is being in a calm ,steady state of mind, even when **** hits the fan...ie not lashing out at ,thinking before speaking, spot checking my motives and always be here for another addict....bettering myself..overcoming obstacles of my past
For there is physically clean and spiritually clean. The physical part means no booze and no drugs. Occasionally I have to take muscle relaxers due to back issues. My neighbor holds on to them and gives them to me as needed. Although they do the job they're supposed to, they do mess with my head. I don't consider myself clean when I take them however I don't start counting days all over again. If I cross the line into abuse then that's a different story.
Spiritually clean, and I guess this is more of the recovery part, is getting rid of the resentments, self centered thoughts and behavior along with anything that gets in the way of my feeling "connected". I don't bother counting days with this one. I'd be starting over every two seconds. LOL!!!
Awesome topic!! Thanks!!!!
Spiritually clean, and I guess this is more of the recovery part, is getting rid of the resentments, self centered thoughts and behavior along with anything that gets in the way of my feeling "connected". I don't bother counting days with this one. I'd be starting over every two seconds. LOL!!!
Awesome topic!! Thanks!!!!
Being clean to me is not having mood or mind altering substances in my system. I think I can have a pass on anything that is prescribed and administered legitimately. I took prescribed narcotics for years but they were not legitimate.
I believe an aftercare program is imperative, AA/NA are excellent programs for many people, personally I have used this forum for a good while with success.
One thing I would like to add here, this is a disease I will have to deal with for the rest of my life. I can’t whine long enough and complain until someone takes it and deals with it for me. I just have to gut it up and deal with it….every day.
Thanks Vicki, I think I should consider this occasionally as I stumble along during this journey.
I believe an aftercare program is imperative, AA/NA are excellent programs for many people, personally I have used this forum for a good while with success.
One thing I would like to add here, this is a disease I will have to deal with for the rest of my life. I can’t whine long enough and complain until someone takes it and deals with it for me. I just have to gut it up and deal with it….every day.
Thanks Vicki, I think I should consider this occasionally as I stumble along during this journey.
What does clean mean to me. My definition of clean has changed over the last year 1/2. If I knew then what I know now I would of changed the way I got "clean". I consider myself to be in recovery. I've kicked the Heroin, pills, coke, crack, but a price came with that. I chose to go to a Methadone clinic, I feel it is the Devil in disguise, I traded one drug for another. I am tapering slowly, per clinics guidlines, I will not feel that I am clean until I get this albatrose off my neck! I won't consider myself clean until I'm off the meth. This is my personal choice. Everyone has a different definition of clean and what works for them, is not the same as what works for someone else. Everyone is different. For me alcohol & "smoking" have never been a problem for me, I do it occasionaly, I do not drink to get a buzz, I have 1 or 2 beers a wk., smoke a couple times a month it helps my fibromyalgia, I feel that ciggarettes are way more addictive, atleast they are for me. I am not advocating drinking or smoking alls I'm saying is they have never been a problem for me. So please do not take this the wrong way. It was very interesting reading everyones stand on this subject, keep up the good work ya all.
Thanks IBKleen yeah losing family members really ***** I lost my brother and friend at same time a year ago cause somebody wanted to steal there pills so I know all about losses. Now Im geeting clean this time more serious to live out my brothers and friends dream of getting clean.
Another thing I have to get out there, is I don't agree with getting drunk for two other reasons. The first is my dad is an alcoholic, the second, is my sister was killed by a drunk driver.
I really really really don't want anyone to think that I am PRO alcohol. I think it is one of the worst drugs there is. It brings more death to users and innocents than any other drug. While I already put my foot in my mouth by not using empathy, I might have given the impression is "Okay". I have already lost one family member because of that drug, soon, it will be two. Then you have my mom who is an ex-alcoholic, the only reason it's ex, is because she was stopped by 8 highway patrol cars while driving drunk with my two little brothers in the car.
So, while I should have never given the answer I did out of empathy for fellow people on here, I need to set that record straight. For ME, it is not a problem, that does not mean I am perfect, that does not mean I don't have major flaws, it don't take away that I do have an addictive personality, and it dosen't mean that the drug cannot ruin others life.
The only reason I did not drop this, is because when I was 5 I can remember watching my dads friends shoot up, I can remember my mom at 15 driving my sister and I up the mountain on the rim (they call it that for a reason, 5,500 ft. drop) at 70 mph..............this isn't a competition of course, so I will stop there. I did not have any worse of a life that people on here. I just didn't want my immature initial answer to shade me wrong.
I really really really don't want anyone to think that I am PRO alcohol. I think it is one of the worst drugs there is. It brings more death to users and innocents than any other drug. While I already put my foot in my mouth by not using empathy, I might have given the impression is "Okay". I have already lost one family member because of that drug, soon, it will be two. Then you have my mom who is an ex-alcoholic, the only reason it's ex, is because she was stopped by 8 highway patrol cars while driving drunk with my two little brothers in the car.
So, while I should have never given the answer I did out of empathy for fellow people on here, I need to set that record straight. For ME, it is not a problem, that does not mean I am perfect, that does not mean I don't have major flaws, it don't take away that I do have an addictive personality, and it dosen't mean that the drug cannot ruin others life.
The only reason I did not drop this, is because when I was 5 I can remember watching my dads friends shoot up, I can remember my mom at 15 driving my sister and I up the mountain on the rim (they call it that for a reason, 5,500 ft. drop) at 70 mph..............this isn't a competition of course, so I will stop there. I did not have any worse of a life that people on here. I just didn't want my immature initial answer to shade me wrong.
My turn---
If I'm not taking my drug of choice(Fioricet) I'm clean. I had a love affair with those pills my entire adult life. Nothing and I mean nothing ever appealed to me except for that drug. My biggest fear in life was: What if they stop making it?? I can't even imagine that now.
Still,it took something far bigger than I am to stay clean and I found out the hard way. After 5 and half months, I waltzed into the pharmacy while I was out doing errands and
without a SECOND thought,I refilled the stupid prescription. That was the day I really got clean.
I decided I needed to tell somebody and ask for help. I've been getting that help for almost 10 months now. I can't tell you enough how important it's been in my life. I know now that some sort of recovery care is an absolute;for me anyway.
So,I'm not going to endorse any particular type of aftercare. I think it's a personal choice.
I just urge everyone to get with a program,a doctor,clinic, addictionologist,AA,Smart
Recovery,something! There's a reason why we take drugs (this includes alcohol) and "using is only a symptom" of a bigger problem.
I hope this post gets moved back over to the Substance Abuse forum where I originally
posted it!!
My best to everyone!
If I'm not taking my drug of choice(Fioricet) I'm clean. I had a love affair with those pills my entire adult life. Nothing and I mean nothing ever appealed to me except for that drug. My biggest fear in life was: What if they stop making it?? I can't even imagine that now.
Still,it took something far bigger than I am to stay clean and I found out the hard way. After 5 and half months, I waltzed into the pharmacy while I was out doing errands and
without a SECOND thought,I refilled the stupid prescription. That was the day I really got clean.
I decided I needed to tell somebody and ask for help. I've been getting that help for almost 10 months now. I can't tell you enough how important it's been in my life. I know now that some sort of recovery care is an absolute;for me anyway.
So,I'm not going to endorse any particular type of aftercare. I think it's a personal choice.
I just urge everyone to get with a program,a doctor,clinic, addictionologist,AA,Smart
Recovery,something! There's a reason why we take drugs (this includes alcohol) and "using is only a symptom" of a bigger problem.
I hope this post gets moved back over to the Substance Abuse forum where I originally
posted it!!
My best to everyone!
Clean to me means abstinent of all mind altering substances. Like IBKleen, I also know there is a difference between being clean and being in recovery. Today, I am in recovery. Over the last 21 months I haven't had a drink or a drug, but more imortantly, I've been working the AA and NA programs of recovery. I no longer let my defects run my life and I have conscious contact with my higher power.
For those that still drink, I've been there. When I first went to NA, I thought all I needed to do was quit the H and Oxy but no drinking or occasionally smoking? That was out of the question. That lasted for about a month and it was ok for a while, but when I fell, I fell hard. It's just not worth it.
I heard something in a meeting the other day that really summed up a lot of what being clean and in recovery means to me. A man said:
"In my addiction, I used drugs because they would change the way I feel. In my recovery, I don't use drugs because they would change the way I feel."
My life is so amazing today, I wouldn't use a drink or a drug because I don't want to ruin how good it is being in recovery.
For those that still drink, I've been there. When I first went to NA, I thought all I needed to do was quit the H and Oxy but no drinking or occasionally smoking? That was out of the question. That lasted for about a month and it was ok for a while, but when I fell, I fell hard. It's just not worth it.
I heard something in a meeting the other day that really summed up a lot of what being clean and in recovery means to me. A man said:
"In my addiction, I used drugs because they would change the way I feel. In my recovery, I don't use drugs because they would change the way I feel."
My life is so amazing today, I wouldn't use a drink or a drug because I don't want to ruin how good it is being in recovery.
I would not come here buzzed, I don't take what you said the wrong way. It was my mistake, why? It was my mistake because I did not use empathy when I answered. There are people who come here and need help kicking cocaine and alcohol. My answer could be seen as a "na na nah na nahh" or seen as me telling them in a inadvertent way that it is ok to do these things if you can handle it.
I will take the point.....er, give the point.....er, it's not a contest, let's just say that I am always listening to advice from people here and I don't think I know more than you experienced.
I apologize for bringing those two things into the picture, but I don't for the answers I gave.
I will take the point.....er, give the point.....er, it's not a contest, let's just say that I am always listening to advice from people here and I don't think I know more than you experienced.
I apologize for bringing those two things into the picture, but I don't for the answers I gave.
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I am going to throw some caution to the wind here.......The drink and smoke will come back to bite you and it will leave marks. How do i know? Been there done that. I'm a tough old broad and thought the same thing. I know a few of you will come back and say you are different and you can control it.......
So Sorry all, I had to get this out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello all, This is an excellent question Vicki!! I really like IBkleen's answer, I am with you! OK, My turn, This problem we all have is a DEEP one (I think), I come from a family of every type of abuse there is growing up in an average suburban neighborhood, alcohol,drugs, heroin, physical and mental abuse. My Father was NEVER home, always out with his buddies, used to drag me along to the legion at age 8 or 9 and throw me a couple of bucks and said get lost. He use to beat my mother and the 4 kids. My sister was a full blown alcoholic and is now married to a MAJOR pill person who has been on workers comp the last 40 YEARS!!!! Yes 40 years!! He is around 65 and my sister is 53 ,he has tried to overdose twice in the last 2 years!! CRAZY marriage, neither work, UGH, enough already!! My next sibling is my bother, 57 now, he hitch hiked to Alaska after high school ( hippie) in those days, alcoholic and druggie also, went to Vietnam and began shooting Heroin. He came home from the service still shooting and now dealing, I was 10 years old watching all this ****!! He was in 3 major accidents and the last one was a head on crash while high, lost his license for 5 years!! I finally told him about myself with the pain pills and he said he knew I was taking them, very supportive and understanding. He also has that serious Hep issue, you all know from shooting, but he has now been clean the last 30 YEARS, he went cold turkey after the head on crash and Hep C knowledge, Now my mother was also a drunk, I come home from school and she was always passed out in her room all the time!! My father would come home later that night after drinking of course and Beat the living **** out of her while I was hiding under my bed 10 feet away!!! This happened 5 out of 7 nights!! I can't tell you how many dishes I seen thrown upside the wall!! OK, now for the other sister, yes she is 55 and still lives at home!! Oh, did I tell you she is a closet drinker, walks around with coke in a glass all the time and its half filled with booze!!! UGH,, I have attempted to FACE with parents about how damaged I feel and they are in total denial, they said we were little bastards growing up they did the best they could ??? ARE YOU SERIOUS!!! All I wanted was an apology??? My father is 79 years old, guess what ,6 months ago he got **** faced again with the fellows at the dog track and then DROVE home!!! UGH!! Oh I didn't tell you my parents are compulsive gamblers also, teletrack everyday they are not at the casino, casino 3 days a week!! Oh, there house is FALLING apart and every time something breaks ( everyday) they call me!!! Now its my turn??? I was the baby of the family so I received the JOY of watching all the beatings, fights, beat downs ( sister went to the hospital with a broken face from my father) ETC etc etc........OH ,, I also received my fair share of the beatings, basically grew up at my Uncles who also was a drunk but I did not get beatings!!! I left the house after high school graduation to the Army to become a doctor, ha ha ha ,,that was my intention. Instead, 2 months after I left my girlfriend at the became pregnant, ugh, during basic training, worst time! Anyway she is my wife today (26 years) and my daughter is turning 26 next week, and she is my savior, SHE saved my life from mayhem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was like my father in the beginning of our marriage but she hung in there, I grew up a little in my 30's, better than my 20's but still not right yet,Anyways, I got a job at the maximum state prison in my late 20's as a Medic, went on to full time schooling while working full time to get the RN degree and now at 47 I am retried after 23 years in the prison. I am sure this **** did not help my cause, I have seen over 500 deaths (by every means) and hundreds die by aids!! So back to my drug habit, I started years ago, had a 1st back surgery in 1999 ,,then another in 2001, then a another in 2003, then shoulder surgery, UGH,, All these were from the prison,,So I have been on methadone, oxy's opana's perc's, roxy's, most drugs....
So,,Back to the question at hand, I am so SORRY I had to vent this to you all ,,just had to get it off my chest! I believe being clean (I am a rookie at this, only 6 days) is from the inside out, I am going to have to clean out my insides first( my past) from growing up, I believe I will never heal until these wounds heal!! I am going to make an appt to a psychologists because they don't use meds to get you better, they use words! I do not need any more issues. OK, after my past is repaired, I have started the journey to CLEAN, now, I believe abstinence from all substances that make you HIGH, if your looking for a BUZZ, you are not clean yet, thats how I feel anyway. I am not in any position to judge or criticize,,its just the way I see it in my position or shoes. I have issues, no doubt, I have some great quality's also, and THAT"S what I have to focus on, my quality's, everyone has them!!!!!!! Well, thanks for reading my life story since I believe it has to do with the question, "what is your definition of CLEAN"
Stay Strong all and I am on your side, lets all keep the faith and PUSH through this barrier!!!!!!!!!!!! Peace and Strength to all! Bugz
PS, I just read this and now I am a basketcase!!!!!!!!!!! bugz
Hello all, This is an excellent question Vicki!! I really like IBkleen's answer, I am with you! OK, My turn, This problem we all have is a DEEP one (I think), I come from a family of every type of abuse there is growing up in an average suburban neighborhood, alcohol,drugs, heroin, physical and mental abuse. My Father was NEVER home, always out with his buddies, used to drag me along to the legion at age 8 or 9 and throw me a couple of bucks and said get lost. He use to beat my mother and the 4 kids. My sister was a full blown alcoholic and is now married to a MAJOR pill person who has been on workers comp the last 40 YEARS!!!! Yes 40 years!! He is around 65 and my sister is 53 ,he has tried to overdose twice in the last 2 years!! CRAZY marriage, neither work, UGH, enough already!! My next sibling is my bother, 57 now, he hitch hiked to Alaska after high school ( hippie) in those days, alcoholic and druggie also, went to Vietnam and began shooting Heroin. He came home from the service still shooting and now dealing, I was 10 years old watching all this ****!! He was in 3 major accidents and the last one was a head on crash while high, lost his license for 5 years!! I finally told him about myself with the pain pills and he said he knew I was taking them, very supportive and understanding. He also has that serious Hep issue, you all know from shooting, but he has now been clean the last 30 YEARS, he went cold turkey after the head on crash and Hep C knowledge, Now my mother was also a drunk, I come home from school and she was always passed out in her room all the time!! My father would come home later that night after drinking of course and Beat the living **** out of her while I was hiding under my bed 10 feet away!!! This happened 5 out of 7 nights!! I can't tell you how many dishes I seen thrown upside the wall!! OK, now for the other sister, yes she is 55 and still lives at home!! Oh, did I tell you she is a closet drinker, walks around with coke in a glass all the time and its half filled with booze!!! UGH,, I have attempted to FACE with parents about how damaged I feel and they are in total denial, they said we were little bastards growing up they did the best they could ??? ARE YOU SERIOUS!!! All I wanted was an apology??? My father is 79 years old, guess what ,6 months ago he got **** faced again with the fellows at the dog track and then DROVE home!!! UGH!! Oh I didn't tell you my parents are compulsive gamblers also, teletrack everyday they are not at the casino, casino 3 days a week!! Oh, there house is FALLING apart and every time something breaks ( everyday) they call me!!! Now its my turn??? I was the baby of the family so I received the JOY of watching all the beatings, fights, beat downs ( sister went to the hospital with a broken face from my father) ETC etc etc........OH ,, I also received my fair share of the beatings, basically grew up at my Uncles who also was a drunk but I did not get beatings!!! I left the house after high school graduation to the Army to become a doctor, ha ha ha ,,that was my intention. Instead, 2 months after I left my girlfriend at the became pregnant, ugh, during basic training, worst time! Anyway she is my wife today (26 years) and my daughter is turning 26 next week, and she is my savior, SHE saved my life from mayhem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was like my father in the beginning of our marriage but she hung in there, I grew up a little in my 30's, better than my 20's but still not right yet,Anyways, I got a job at the maximum state prison in my late 20's as a Medic, went on to full time schooling while working full time to get the RN degree and now at 47 I am retried after 23 years in the prison. I am sure this **** did not help my cause, I have seen over 500 deaths (by every means) and hundreds die by aids!! So back to my drug habit, I started years ago, had a 1st back surgery in 1999 ,,then another in 2001, then a another in 2003, then shoulder surgery, UGH,, All these were from the prison,,So I have been on methadone, oxy's opana's perc's, roxy's, most drugs....
So,,Back to the question at hand, I am so SORRY I had to vent this to you all ,,just had to get it off my chest! I believe being clean (I am a rookie at this, only 6 days) is from the inside out, I am going to have to clean out my insides first( my past) from growing up, I believe I will never heal until these wounds heal!! I am going to make an appt to a psychologists because they don't use meds to get you better, they use words! I do not need any more issues. OK, after my past is repaired, I have started the journey to CLEAN, now, I believe abstinence from all substances that make you HIGH, if your looking for a BUZZ, you are not clean yet, thats how I feel anyway. I am not in any position to judge or criticize,,its just the way I see it in my position or shoes. I have issues, no doubt, I have some great quality's also, and THAT"S what I have to focus on, my quality's, everyone has them!!!!!!! Well, thanks for reading my life story since I believe it has to do with the question, "what is your definition of CLEAN"
Stay Strong all and I am on your side, lets all keep the faith and PUSH through this barrier!!!!!!!!!!!! Peace and Strength to all! Bugz
PS, I just read this and now I am a basketcase!!!!!!!!!!! bugz
Clean to me is absent from all drugs and alcohol. ( alcohol first messes with your judgement and when ever i drink i want pills so I can not drink) Ive relapsed in the passed because of alcohol. For me getting clean and staying clean is a whole 360 of your life from friends that use, to having support, to vitamins, working out, positive music, even counsling if possible, Ive had to put in work these passed 17 days and some days its not easy but it is so key to take one day at a time. I dont think many people get clean and stay clean unless they take the bad stuff and put healthy and good habits it and working towards that goal we all have to stay clean. Good question.
To me it means my body is empty of all chemicals I subjected it to. It also means that I know the demons that lurk in these pills and that I have found a healthier way to be happy and be energized as in exercise and eating right, this is my goal. I used to juice vegetables and go to the gym and had a ton of energy, I want that person back and I'm looking for her.
Hun, I can't tell you how to work your recovery. All I can do is share my experience with you and sometimes I share the experience of people I associate with. Both you and throwin claim that you don't have a problem, so that is good for you both. For me, that buzzed feeling makes me want more and more is always something that is not healthy. I have worked hard to "feel" without the use of any mind or mood altering substances and I am not willing to throw that away. Again, if it works for you, that is great. Just make sure when you celebrate your clean time here, you mention to members that you are drinking. Since 99.9% of members struggle with this, it helps them to understand YOUR definition of clean. Know what I mean? Being honest helps us all, and I am sure it helps you too.
As always, I wish you the best and congrats on putting down the pills!!
As always, I wish you the best and congrats on putting down the pills!!
When I was 16 I started drinking. When I turned 21, I had only drank once to twice a month if that, as I do now. Alchahol has never been a problem drug for me just like cocaine. These are two drugs that I was around ALL the time, but never liked them. I HATE throwing up, especially while the room is spinning. that is why when I drink, it's usually no more than 3 or 4 shots, and then I might do it again in 30-60-120 days. The last time I had anything to drink (excluding the three sips of champainge on new years eve was about 11 months ago. This is mostly because I would not drink while taking norcos. If I am missing something, please let me know.
Thanks Vicki, this topic is always helpful and I am sure that what the members share will help others to get and stay clean.
Clean and in recovery are two different things to me. Clean means I put the drugs down, recovery means that I am actively working on my character defects and learning how to live without the use of drugs. Today I am trustworthy and I try not to hurt anyone's feelings and I show respect. Today people consider me a good person with good intensions. Today people actually like being around me. Most days, I like being around me. This hasn't come easy and I have to work on it each and every day. To do this, I need to remain humble and willing to take the advise of those who came before me. I need to be honest, open-minded and willing to do whatever it takes it to stay clean. The rewards are well worth the effort because everyday I don't use, I become that person I have always hoped to be.
trdofbeingtrd, it truly concerns me that you drink to get "buzzed" and you consider yourself clean. My fear is that this will come back to bite you. I hope that you will realize that alcohol IS a drug before something happens. I pray that it doesn't. You have come this far, you owe it to yourself to continue on the journey. There is a reading we say at each meeting: "Thinking of alcohol as different from other drugs has caused a great many addicts to relapse".
Clean and in recovery are two different things to me. Clean means I put the drugs down, recovery means that I am actively working on my character defects and learning how to live without the use of drugs. Today I am trustworthy and I try not to hurt anyone's feelings and I show respect. Today people consider me a good person with good intensions. Today people actually like being around me. Most days, I like being around me. This hasn't come easy and I have to work on it each and every day. To do this, I need to remain humble and willing to take the advise of those who came before me. I need to be honest, open-minded and willing to do whatever it takes it to stay clean. The rewards are well worth the effort because everyday I don't use, I become that person I have always hoped to be.
trdofbeingtrd, it truly concerns me that you drink to get "buzzed" and you consider yourself clean. My fear is that this will come back to bite you. I hope that you will realize that alcohol IS a drug before something happens. I pray that it doesn't. You have come this far, you owe it to yourself to continue on the journey. There is a reading we say at each meeting: "Thinking of alcohol as different from other drugs has caused a great many addicts to relapse".
Great question! Ive been feeling guilty. I can fess up here. I do attend na mtgs and clean means clean there. Nothing. No drinking. I had 30 off opiates last wenesday and went and got my 30 day tag. I felt torn about getting it. My life was just fine until I touched an oxy or roxi. Yes I did drink, Yes I smoked afew times a week. I was happy though. I worked out, worked hard, things were good. Clean for me is not taking opiates at all period. I dont have a problem with other hard drugs and can control my drinking. I do still drink. I do still smoke sometimes. I quit roxis 35 days ago and for me, Ive been clean for 35 days. I feel awesome today and this time Im not going back. Nope. I still feel guilty for getting that clean tag. Am I a cheater? Maybe, as long as I dont ever take a opiate pill again I dont really care. Im sure Im not the only one in mtgs with their own personal definition of clean. I know Im not...
Clean to me means to not do anything that I cannot control. It means nothing is your master, it means nothing can bring you to your knees if you don't enjoy or need it. I drink, maybe once or twice a month if that. I like getting buzzed, but that is a drug that I can control, one of the few.
I will stay clean by being honest with my wife (I would say myself, but I know how much I like it), and to let my wife come with me to every doctor/dentist visit. I know me, I like to feel high, even if this last thing was legit to the most point. I know that I have an addictive personality. I will also be honest to you all on here, those who support me and help my wife not carry all the load of listening to some guy who thinks he is a comic and always posting. I mean was it really a surprise I answered as fast as I did, and, so far, I haven't taken those pills, this energy is all rock and or roll.
I will stay clean by being honest with my wife (I would say myself, but I know how much I like it), and to let my wife come with me to every doctor/dentist visit. I know me, I like to feel high, even if this last thing was legit to the most point. I know that I have an addictive personality. I will also be honest to you all on here, those who support me and help my wife not carry all the load of listening to some guy who thinks he is a comic and always posting. I mean was it really a surprise I answered as fast as I did, and, so far, I haven't taken those pills, this energy is all rock and or roll.
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