Anyone on Naltrexone for Meth WD's?What about rapid detox?

[leelou137]

Want to get off my 32.5mg meth dose. I am paralysed by the thought of withdrawal and the anxiety is killing me! I've read that u can be sedated for 4-6hrs while Dr's/nurses give the body naltrexone (& other meds) to speed (!) up the WD process and if u want , give u a naltrexone implant. The implant blocks any opiate-related use and ceases cravings (apparantly). Does my lowish dose warrant this extremish solution? Has anyone out there used N to get off a maintenance program? Thanks :)

[leelou137]

I apprecciate your impassioned view and it has given much food for thought. I am wondering if you have met Dr Reece yourself? At this stage I am finding it hard to have an opinion of the man and his missions , it seems anyone with a view will pull out the appropriate statistic and yes , they are usually validated , but I have never put much store by stats. For one thing , I personally knew some of those addicts that died from 'naltrexone' related issues. It was NEVER the N that did it, they OD'd on heroin after taking Nal becuase the Nal had left them with no tolerance. They killed themselves with stupidity (and heroin) to put it in a blunt sense. I didn't think NALTREXONE actually killed ppl.... Perhaps it's the follow-up care that was missing (and any real desire to be clean)
I'm wondering , if the invention of the wheel was presented by a mad-raving,killing , monster , would we turn the wheel(!) away?
In no way , whatsoever , do I defend these Dr's or ' take their side'. I have no side atm.
I do know ,however , that in the presence of Stuart Reece a few years ago , he was the ONLY Dr , that made me feel that he gave a ****. Whether it was a pretence or not , he made me feel there was hope and sometimes that means the world to desperate ppl. I am NOT religious whatsoever but I DO envy ppl with faith , not fear them.
I may be as naive as most of us are.

Thanks everyone for your time and comments , it means alot :) I will continue to slowly slowly taper my meth dose and focus on diet and excersize.

[firesnake]

Continued........

OK. Ample here [http://firesnake.org/index.php?post_category=Addiction] Read this, then check the Drs names at base [http://www.daca.org.au/heroin/trophy.htm]. If bible classes and Jesus miracles are your flavour, go for it. My gripe is like all Evangelists, they're in ya face and pure zealots. If you agree this is the drug user equivalent of homophobia you get the cigar. Pray hard enough, get baptised and attend services daily & Jesus cures all sin, don't ya know [http://www.abc.net.au/sundaynights/stories/s1238978.htm]. Sin? Gee, I thought it was suffering addiction caused.

Let me repeat. Reece is a sick person. O'Neil is genuine. His beliefs aren't mine but he doesn't lie, commit fraud and laugh about addicts dying. Reece does. Nay, he actually brags about "winning a long running battle with the cream of the methadone crop". Crop? Battle? Where? Book of Revelations of course. How silly of me - a "wicked godless sinner". So, addiction therapists who hate ya guts and believe the world is 10,000 years old, & in its final days, their duty is to save souls of addicts - not lives. Funding requests are thrice that of other programs - and these guys have no success rate.

Freshstarts Homepage:>> "How do we achieve this?
Through research, and service delivery to our valued clients. We aim for a holistic service that includes good medicine, counselling, Christian teaching, housing, 12 step recovery program and other possible support from local church community networks".[http://www.freshstart.org.au/]

Political Support [http://www.acl.org.au/national/browse.stw?article_id=15594&printer=1&from=printer]. [http://www.acl.org.au/national/browse.stw?article_id=13957] Pls search site for more collusion.

Craig Thompson is their Chairman. Feel free to read of his role in the Scientology murders. In their universe, illness only follows sinful activity [http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24151010-5013404,00.html]. Oh, he is not a magistrate anymore. More fraud.
Here's their Patron marketed as a sporting legend. Yup, she sure was. Was! [http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2007/12/07/response-from-pastor-margaret-court-regarding-danny-nalliah-and-the-outcome-of-federal-election/]. Um, did she just say Howard lost the election because we didn't pray hard enough? BTW, she can heal with touch also.

Reece and his cronies don't provide data on naltrexone. They apply binary opposite logic. Ergo; they smear Harm Minimisation and play on guilt, fear, ignorance, desperation, vulnerability, etc. Please do some reading. It's all about arguing if A can be criticised then B is the only option available. Pls explore this 'conference' material [http://www.alloccasionsgroup.com/dfa-conference-2007-speakers].

Surely, one produces convincing data - not slander directed at proven professionals - to advance any hypothesis. It is ideology that matters to these misguided people - not community health. Here's one of thousands of references about Swedens "zero tolerance" policy [http://www.acl.org.au/national/browse.stw?article_id=6237] Here's the reality of denying human rights and the compulsory detention and enforced treatment that Reece and Co. want in Australia [media.libsyn.com/media/firesnake/ihrasduu_2007.pdf]. Swedens illicit use level? The EU average. Ergo, it does not reduce drug use, but does deny protection from disease, death and incarceration [http://www.ffdlr.org.au/commentary/docs/Swedens%20drug%20policy.htm].

Report of the Special Rapporteur on the right of everyone to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health - mission to Sweden; Paul Hunt;

[http://www.universalhumanrightsindex.org/documents/839/1081/document/en/text.html#_ftnref18]

[http://www.exchangesupplies.org/conferences/NDTC/2009_NDTC/speakers/berne_stalenkrantz.html]


Other anti free choice material:

[http://www.aph.gov.au/House/committee/fhs/illicitdrugs/subs/sub033.pdf]

[http://members.optusnet.com.au/~apfdfy/Fallacy.html]

Limits of HM:
[http://www.aph.gov.au/House/committee/fhs/illicitdrugs/subs/sub033.pdf]

I could go on until next year. Suffice it to say, the anti harm reduction movement is nothing short of a disgrace. None are qualified. None provide treatment. These guys are lobbyists from the far right of insanity. Australias HIV level is the envy of the developed world. Reece is an expert at lying and distorting realities. He killed 25 with his own techniques. Just imagine if our HIV prevention was stopped as he wants. Hint; if you sin...

[firesnake]

Total Mortality per 1000 Episodes; Methadone: 102,615 treated. 282 related deaths. Total Mortality = 2.7
Naltrexone: 3,169 treated. 32 related deaths. Total Mortality = 10.1
[http://ndarc.med.unsw.edu.au/NDARCWeb.nsf/resources/TR229-233/$file/TR.229.pdf]

"Try googling Dr Stuart Reece and Dr O'Neil." Yes, please do. Be sure to note over 2 dozen deaths in 18 months at the hands of Reece, who still maintains he holds a 'world safety record' in this area. Oh- it was a 'conspiracy' by suicidal "drug addicts" [he means his $3,500 dollar a pop patients]. Read for yourself [http://www.fol.org.au/magazines/docs/focus-qld-200306.pdf]. Here's a typical "Reece Rort" [http://www.daca.org.au/testimony/methadone.htm]. Here's the reality: [http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/s517990.htm].

O'Neil was a gyno' who suffered a conflict of interest due to delivering addicted babies. Rather than seek help, or acknowledge his judgement was compromised he unleashed his biblical fundamentalism. This doesn't make him the sociopath Reece is, but when you believe this life is a mere test of God skills, claim modern society is "hedonistic delirium" and Evolution is fake, your standing as a doctor is nill. Your standing as an Abstentionist is proven, however. Reece is a member of Abstinence International - a bible bashing group who believe humankind must return to pre Darwin thinking. Ergo: 'god did it'. [http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/56974.php]

Addiction science is not where they belong. Reece actually presented "images" of Sodom to a parliamentary Inquiry claiming Australia will suffer the same fate, because methadone is "the cause of addiction", "condoms cause AIDS"[http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/reps/commttee/R10159.pdf]>> Page 33. Knock yaself out. Eg; Methadone takes 46 years of your life. Strangely, prescription opioids don't. Methadone tablets prescribed for pain to non heroin users don't either. Page 59 for his response to naltrexone fatalities. That's a real world record. 25 in 18 months!? Read page 31 for his introduction. Claims to have done 1,800 naltrexone detoxes, in 9 years. [2 per day] As well as 8,000 of his home states 11,000 bupe' detoxes. You do the math and tell me this is provision of care, much less feasibly possible.

All his "data" comes from his run down surgery. Everything's kept secret and no-one has access to his source material. We call this scientific fraud. They're meant to report problems. Thanks to diligent hospital officials, they were caught out & the Med' Journal of Australia published the facts; [http://dfaw.typepad.com/drugfreewatch/naltrexone-implant-data-d.html]

'Advertising' is the cause of child rape/murder: Scroll to 'porns incredible powers'; [http://libertus.net/censor/rdocs/candle3.html]. Now, please do the same here for a response to his fraud [http://libertus.net/censor/rdocs/candle3.html]. But, hang on! Isn't he an "addiction expert"? No. He's a religious zealot. Harm Reduction is "part of an international conspiracy" to legalise drugs by "elites". Womens bodies should only be seen in medical contexts. No, not naked women - just womens flesh as in bathers, evening gowns, gym gear, etc. An HIV test is superior to a clean needle in preventing transmission, etc, etc. Just be aware, these guys aren't in our universe, much less still in Kansas, Dorothy. Scroll to bottom here [http://www.sif.org.au/forum_1.html]. Knock yourself out here [http://globaldrugpolicy.us/1/4/2.php]. NB: this is not an actual "journal".

[mr.lucky66]

You can get off the meth if you are determined positive and take your time. You look young and that helps and the  rapid detox is not a good way and costs too much. I did it and I'm sure you can if you really wante to.

[122 Tactical Fighter Group]

The rapid detox in the US is a **** shoot right now. There were deaths in Canada that shut down the process for awhile. There were also problems in the renal area and with incontinence post procedure. Its very expensive here still - around $8,000 or more. The Aussies have been using it for a few more years than the US and it is accepted down under.  Currently Gov subsidized and costs around $3,000 in Australia. I have only heard good things from the people in Australia that have had it done..........but the process does not address the longer terms of addiction such as cravings and relapse.

[123456m]

IMO Rapid detox is a dangerous but very profitable money game some doctors use.
People have died, people have ben in comas etc. If you remember years ago there were tons of ads for this type of treatment funnny you do not see many anymore and why think people lawsuits and doctors and you have your answer.
Its a gimmick at best but those ads make it sound like the best thing since sliced bread or can soup. Do not do it its just a dumb thing to do.
You can rapid detox for sure but not this way.
If you an get into a hospital for a week you can be all clean in one week with really not a problem no matter what yout have been using even with benzos if you have the right doctor that is the key find someone that only works with addictions.
You would be surprised what even a Iv flush will do as far as getting that **** out of your system.
Wds seems to worrry folks here the most but its by far the easy part of recovery.
Maybe 20% at most as far as recovery goes probaably much less the other 80-90% deals with PAWS, aftercare, straying clean no matter what that is the real work and that is the work that would give you by far the most benefits for lving a good, and happy life.
Peace

[Ella789]

Yes, having been off opiates for 4 mos. now and still getting the cravings, even though less intense and less duration,  I find it p#**#^ me off more now than ever!  So, I am hopeful that this will help with my Lupus and fibro along with the other bagage!  I would like a bit of energy too, but that's prob. asking too much!  From what I'm reading it is helping others with autoimmune diseases, so I can always hope.

Best wishes to you :)
Ella

[leelou137]

Yes u r right , u need to be off them but only 3-4 days for heroin and a little more for meth.The Dr's administer a "Narcan challenge' which detects opiates  in the blood. I remember passing this test a few yrs ago. For 'rapid detox' it is different. This is for ppl who just cannot deal with WD at all. In a hospital , or like, under either aneasthetic or sedation, naltrexone is administered to actually bring on WD.It's a sped-up process and 4-6 hrs later, your body is rid of it.The implant is put in and 'tada!' u come around and there is supposed to be no craving or WD , just mild after affects of sedation. Most Dr's think sedation is enough and aneasthetic is complicated and expensive , but possible. It's with the self-administered tabs, that one must be opiate free first.Seems odd that u have to be off opiates to get off opiates!

[Ella789]

ps....  I maybe wrong but,  I think you need to be off all opiates for at least 5-7 days before you do this or it will throw you straight into withdrawl.
El

[Ella789]

Well. I posted awhile ago.  Please see my post below, even tho it starts off abt. zofran, there is more info on there.
:)
Ella

[leelou137]

Hi :)

Wow , I don't see many Nal ?'s on here , how bizarre ! There's an aussie site addictiontreatment.com.au . The basic info is relevent for the US but pricing etc won't be. It's been a rather controversial topic in Aust. for a few years as some addicts ended up ODing after taking naltrexone. What it does ,it completely blocks the effects of opiates on the brain so if a user uses , they feel NOTHING. So some users on Naltrexone would ,after some time being on the drug, relapse and go to take their usual size hit,but the naltrexone also takes your tolerance back to zero, so your regular size hit can be deadly and some ppl did die that way.Sad.I did try the tablets maybe 6-7yrs ago. Because I wasn't ready and being honest, and the tabs were taken voluntarily on my own , it didn't work. Still, it is seen as a kind of 'miracle cure' for addicts, here in aus, but I only know of 3 places in the whole country that will perform the implant op (luckliy one of them is a 25min train ride away). Try googling Dr Stuart Reece and Dr O'Neil. It has been used for decades in the treatment of alcohol addiction too...hope this helps a little.

[ProdigalGirl]

Seems we posted the same question @ the same time. Let me know if u find anything out about this such as web sites,, blogs etc. Thanks


ProdigalGirl