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Big changes the first year clean?

Hi guys!

I hardly ever start a new post any more, but here goes:

In my meetings, they harp on "no big changes the first year sober."  Heck, in some meetings, they say TWO years.  

I'm 9 plus months..the 27th will be 10 months.  And I start a new job Monday.  Haven't talked about it on here, because I'm superstitious, but I decided that was nonsense, and I should talk about it with my MH pals.

My old career---health insurance broker---was made possible mostly by opiates.   It was a brutal, demanding, physically challenging job.  And oxycodone helped a lot...until it didn't.

I'm a natural sales person, but I'm not 23, and I have all the aches and pains that come with being over fifty years old.  My back is killing me even now as I write this.    When I was on oxy, I didn't feel the pain that should have been a signal to me that I was overdoing it.   I should have gone slower, taken breaks, stopped working at 5:00 pm, like a normal person...but I didn't.  I was on drugs, and like a machine.   I worked constantly, never feeling the what I was really doing to my body.

Opiates allow you to live a false reality.  And the worst part was:  I was rewarded for it.  Every single successful sales person I knew in my state, in my industry, was on SOMETHING.   Lots of people took Vikes, or drank every night, or smoked a ton of weed.   You HAD to, because the pace, the work, what it took to get appointments and close sales, was insane for a regular human being.

I knew back in September that I had to get out...and I've been sending out my resume ever since I got clean.  

Ironically, I got an interview through my LinkedIn profile.  Headhunted by a big company that has Senior Housing communities all over the country.   I went through seven interviews.  Seven!

They finally offered me a position.  Sales, but not the brutal kind I was used to.  More PR, Marketing, increasing visibility in the community, etc.  And a salary!  Benefits are amazing...I took a leap and said "yes."

And then...last week I had a cold.  It was getting worse, so I went to my doctor on Thursday, and he dx'ed me with atypical pneumonia.  Put me on antibiotics.  I wondered if this was a 'sign' that I was going too fast, that I shouldn't have made this big job move.  But alas, it's done..I had already told my carriers I was leaving; had my accounts transferred to 3 other agents.   No turning back now.  (and I feel 100% better physically.)

Here are my questions:

1. What do I do when I'm on the road, and the pain hits?   My back pain is really bad sometimes; chest too (costochondritis.)  

2.  I need support right now....tell me I can do this...tell me that all I have to do is take 24 hours at a time.  But I'm scared.  It was so much easier when I had opiates to dull the pain and make me feel warm and good.  (But again...they worked until they didn't.)

3.  Am I a different person now?   Can I do the same things?  

Should I have put this post in the Social thread? Sometimes it's like a ghost town there, so I decided to post here.
I don't want anything to compromise my sobriety...mostly I'm afraid of other substances, because I have no access to opiates (cut everything off.)  This is a high level job.  There will be alcohol, there ALWAYS is in sales. When I'm at a meeting with my colleagues, and they are all drinking martini's and wine...what should I do?  

I have drank a few times in the past 9 months and it always makes me feel like crap.  I used to drink on opiates and act like a crazy person. I don't even want to think about it, because I know how stupid and wrong it was for me to do that; it makes me wince just to remember it...(I could have died.  Thank you God for keeping me alive.)

I know this post is frenzied and tangential.    I have to drive 2 hours Monday for my first day at the new gig. The whole week is training, and I'll be expected to drive similar distances back and forth.  I know my back is going to go into spasms, and I'll be in a lot of pain.  Sigh.  

I'm scared.  Any words of encouragement would help. Thanks guys...

-Robin
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Lol!! Could have swore that was you that said that to me! May have been in a meeting! Ha! Love the new Mantra:-).. I will keep mine then!
Thinking of you today! Please let us know how it goes!
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Jif:  Your post made chuckle this morning.  

One thing I will say:  all this driving is curing my insomnia.  I fell RIGHT asleep last night, and didn't wake up even once.

You are so right in everything you said.   And I hear the same thing: Just show UP.  

I cannot stand Donald Trump, but I did read the other day the 5 tips he had for a successful career, and #1 was pretty cool.  He said "just BARREL through it.   So many able people give up too soon. "

On my fridge is a big magnet with a saying from Winston Churchill, "Never, never, never give up."   I used to put that on a post-it note and stick it on my dashboard, when I was out cold-calling as an insurance agent.  

I think I was intimidated yesterday also because I was at the corporate office, where me and another woman with the same start date had to meet a bunch of folks from all the major departments.   Not one of them was over 25.  They were all perky, young, tanned, skinny  girls with long, shiny hair and perfect teeth.   I felt so old!!!

It's a whole new world out there in corporations.  Everything is SO "PC."  Can't call anyone "hon" or "sweetie."  Can't even say "you're a peach, thank you."    Might be construed as harassment.  Can't TOUCH anyone; not a pat on the back, nothing.     We were instructed to simply say "Thank you."  and then stop talking.  No more "embroidering" our responses with endearments.

I could tell all these 20-somethings were used to it; everyone was very wooden, and answered questions like robots, no extras, no extraneous info, no sign of being human.  

We aren't supposed to use male or female pronouns if we can help it.  Everything is plural.  "They told me you needed this document."

There was ONE woman from HR who looked about my age.  I asked her how she acclimated to this sterile, androgynous, politically correct environment.  Her answer:  It ain't easy.   She said you have to have two personalities...your work one, and then your real one.  

For the past 16 years, I've been an independent consultant, contracted with and paid BY a bunch of insurance companies.  And they don't give a hoot what goes on in your day to day life; just sell, sell, sell.   It's a big boys club (insurance) and I'm used to a LOT of harassment, favoritism, discrimination, etc.   As a 10-99 worker, I had no protections.  Now, as a W-2 employee, I'm so protected, I'm wondering how I'm going to breathe! LOL...

But I'll be okay.  I'm trying very hard to "just let life happen."  

Okay, do I win the award for the most sayings in one post?  (kidding.)

I'm going to finish my bagel, get in the shower, SUIT up and SHOW up!

Hugs,
-Robin


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Thanks hon!   I actually didn't say that, but I did get a great new "mantra" the other day:  "It's all okay in the end, and if it isn't okay, that means it is not the end."

Hugs...
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MS:  Pharma sales is tough to break into.   I've applied many, many times, and the interviews always start with cattle calls.  I show up and there are a hundred detail men, all in 3 piece suits, who have been doing pharm sales for 20 years plus.  

When Lipitor lost its patent lock, and got released as a generic, tons of these guys lost their jobs, so there are a lot of very experienced, unemployed drug reps looking for jobs.  

At my age, they are looking for experience, but I appreciate the suggestion...I could work in a pharmacy as a tech, I suppose, but the pay is so low.  And I would never work as a pharmacist again...a total burn-out job that destroys your body (standing all day in one position, repetitive motion, etc.)

Good to hear from you!!
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Robin-

If you came home from day ONE of your new job and said "It was fantastic! I understand everything, I feel powerful and I adore my new younger boss," I would think you were having a breakdown. You are supposed to feel confused, powerless and humble. Let the feelings be there, they won't kill you. And they will change.

I hate cliches but in meetings they say just suit up and show up. And you are. Good for you, girl.
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Hi Robin!!

I was thinking of you today! Perhaps Tommorow will be a better day! Day 1 on a new job always feels a bit awkward, IMO anyways. Don't let it get you down. Your SO awesome!! You can do this!! I think I remember you telling me that " if it doesn't challenge you, it won't change you " :)
P.S..... That's my new slogan:)

Please keep us posted!
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Sorry you had a bad day. Just a thought, couldn't you work for a local pharmacy? Or perhaps pharmaceutical sales. Many nurses go into sales. The commute alone sounds brutal.
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Hi guys:

First day down.  I'm EXHAUSTED.  Drove 2 hours up and back...standstill traffic.

It was information overload; this is what they call "onboarding."  So many new business buzz words being thrown around.   My compensation structure is still murky...I tried asking my new boss about it (he's a kid for heaven's sakes...37 years old!) and he told me I was being too "granular."  Um...okay.  Whatever that means.

I hate the feeling of having no control, and that is how I feel right now.  That people are going to hate me, that I'm going to get fired any minute, that the whole thing is going to blow up in my face.  

I just have to slooow down and stop thinking so much.  My first husband practiced Buddhism, and his mentor used to always tell him "Cut thinking...NO thinking!!!"   It causes suffering.  And yet...I go to meetings, and there is a sign in front of me that says "THINK."  

I know what it means...think your actions thru.  Sigh.  Confusing.  I'm too old for this crap...by now I thought I would be looking down the barrel of a cushy pension.  Hear that sound?  It's the American dream...crumbling.

Oh well.  Getting up early tomorrow morning to drive twice the distance I did today for "Basic Sales Training."   I've been teaching sales training for over 10 years now, but I just have to barrel through this and keep my mouth shut.

Thanks for all the support guys...Ike, I am so glad to hear from you.

Okay, say g'nite Gracie...

Hugs,
-Robin
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Hey Robin, Just catching up and wanted to let you know that I have all the faith in the world in you. You have made a few big decisions and put yourself out there. You've responded like the champ that you are. I've known you for a while now and can see that you are a person of great will. You're on a roll Robin and I say Congratulations, I know you will take your new job and run with it. I wish you the Best......ike
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Please let us know how it goes today! Thinking of you!
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Thanks Ashley:  It's early in the AM; about to get in the shower and hop on the road...1.5 hours w/o traffic, so I have no idea what the morning commute will be like.  Off I go!!!!
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Hi Robin!

Just wanted to drop by and tell you that I am thinking about you! Your going to Rock at this new job..... And YOUR NEW LIFE!! Sure it scary, but exciting too:)
I beleive in you just as you have me!!

Xoxo
Ashley
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Thank you Danny.   I'm taking this just one day at a time.   No buyer's remorse, though, at all.  The company I had most of my business with treated me like crap on a cracker.   All done with that.

Hugs,
-Robin
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Hey Robin,

It sounds to me like you're overthinking this as well.. There was a reason that you sent out resumes and that was the fact that you wanted a different job.  Any time you make a big change it's scary/stressful.  In the past you would have used opiates to ease the stress.

Sounds like you have something similar to buyers remorse.  It's not like you've been jumping from job to job.  You decided you wanted a change and you spend some time making it happen. Of course now that it's happened it's scary but you'll get acclimatized to the new people/situations, and then things'll be good!
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Thanks SO much guys.

Yes, I've talked about this with fellow addicts; they all say what you say.  Overthinking it, one day at a time, etc.   Some old-timers say things like "Is your new job gonna keep you clean?"  and it feels like "nuts, am I screwing up?"  but everyone has their opinions, it doesn't mean I have to react to them.

I know you are all correct and I will do fine, it is just scary because it is the first big new thing I've done since stopping the pain meds.

Re drinking:  You bet I told my sponsor.  Alcohol was never a problem for me, but I found out that it is also NO solution to anything.   I usually never have more than 2 glasses of wine (I'm a lightweight) but even with just that, I could feel the difference the next day.  My stomach was a mess, my sleep was all over the place...I decided it was not a good idea for me.  

I'm very stressed out right now; I can tell because I have been sleep walking and sleep talking.  I used to do this all the time when I was a kid, and a few times in my 20's...now it only happens when I'm very anxious.  Usually it's humourous:  last week, I woke my husband up in the middle of the night to announce to him that I had brought home 9 puppies, and I was sorry.   My eyes were open, but I was completely asleep.

I figured out it was from watching the movie the movie Bridesmaids, when Melissa McCarthy's character adopts 9 puppies.

Another night, I again woke my husband (the poor guy) and told him we needed to put hand sanitizer on immediately.     Pretty sure this is because I've been sick lately, and I figured out it was from my last big enrollment at a company where I forgot to bring my hand sanitizer.  

I had a two week window the past month where I could have gone to see my mother in Florida, who has stage 4 cancer.  But she told me not to come.  This hurt me a lot, but I didn't let her know that.   Our relationship is very complicated, I don't want to go into it here.   With this job, I am pretty sure the next time I see her will be on her deathbed, or afterwards.  But again, *over-thinking*.  

My new boss has already said he wants to take me & another new manager out to dinner Thursday...and I know they will both probably drink.  It is out of the question for me.....since I will have to drive 2 hours (at least) home after that.  But not just because I have to drive;  it is a bad idea.      I usually order a hot tea whenever everyone else is having a cocktail because it immediately calms me down.    'Course when you're standing around in a lounge, ordering hot tea can be a bit difficult...so I'll stick to my usual cranberry and fizzy water.  

Again, thank you for all the great advice.  Onward!

Hugs to all of you,

-Robin
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Miss Robin-

My first post since I've learned about IBK (Bonnie), and I'm shaky, but she'd want us to keep going...

Glad you got all that out. First thing: what does your sponsor, and folks at meetings say, I'm sure you've shared this? (That was a hint:)

The biggest thought I had was "SLOW DOWN, WOMAN!" You are already talking about things that haven't happened yet. We could all torture ourselves w/ fear of the future about anything, new job, no new job, money, relationships, who will win the superbowl etc and et al. That is part of living sober: living in the present. That's our practice. It's hard as hell. But we all have to practice. Practice, practice, practice.

I feel often that I have to re learn how to do the basics being clean. I often feel like a baby learning how to walk. It can be humiliating and very uncomfortable. I just got a credit card, first one in forever, w/ a small line of credit and I'm so scared: what if? what if? what if? Well, if I use it, I suppose that I will handle whatever comes up, right? I was thinking that sober life gives us responsibility, and it's scary. We are used to not feeling responsible about anything. But that doesn't mean we can't handle it. If we are clean: we can handle ANYTHING.

Speaking of, my dear. I notice this in your post, and I think you are awesome and if I don't mention this, I feel I would be dishonest: you mentioned you drank a few times since you stopped opiates. What's up w/ that? Does your sponsor know? I think that's something you need to talk about w/ her/ and or another sober person.

Bottom line: you will do great! Look how many resources you have to support you. On a daily basis. (Remember, handle each DAY as it comes, not each year, lol.)

You're gonna be fine:) And you are fine TODAY. All you need to worry about.
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1...  You can do this... all You have to do is take 24 hours at a time.

2. I also think your overthinking. Relax, take a deep breath and crank up some tunes for a bit!

Your so strong!!! You have been there for me so many times! You are a different person, your WAY BETTER! I sometimes look at it like this.. And maybe this sounds weird but... I look at people around me and think to myself, they're not on drugs and they are doing it, whatever " it " may be.

There is not one single doubt in my mind that you will be happier and MUCH MUCH BETTER at this new job!!!
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Hi!  I agree... You can do this!  
Can you carry an ice pack in your car with you to put on your back when it's hurting?
Does a pillow in the car help the lumbar support?
Not trying to minimize your pain at all.
You'll probably do much better than you're thinking you will because I'll bet your focus is better without the Oxys.  I'm only on day 48 without them , but I notice I can think better.
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Hi Robin!! Congrats on almost 10 months, that's huge! Also a congrats on your new job. I know your probably nervous, but no need to be, you can do this! You are a true inspiration to all here on this forum, I have a feeling your like that in your everyday life as well.  Good luck in all you choose to do, may nothing but the best come your way!

Take care~
Sherry
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ok Robin deep breath! You CAN do this, you are over thinking it! You are a very strong person and brave.
Take one hour and one day at a time.
Concentrate on you not what others are doing.When they order a drink you order a ice-tea then sit back and watch what alcohol does to them, some times it can be very entertaining! lol
Sweet Robin you got this! You CAN do this! IBK will be with you as the rest of us will!!!
Love you!
Kari
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