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5783082 tn?1374177161

Day 4, need encouragement

First, I wanna say how excited I am that I found this forum again! I spent the last hour scouring the internet for it!

About 2 years ago, I was on here, trying to come off suboxone(which had gotten me off morphine) but ultimately failed. At the time, my mother, who was an active addict, lived with us, and that was an impossible situation for me. In January, my mother passed away, and now that I've gone through grief couseling, and a decent taper off the suboxone, I'm on day four with nothing in my system. And I'm freaking miserable, so I was really hoping for some encouragement, maybe advice from anyone who has done this before on what to do when you feel like crawling out of your skin during the DT's.

I know I can do this, because for the last five years of being in a suboxone program that does it right(group therapy, education, meetings, etc), I've grown so much and now have so many tools to help me in recovery, not to mention I don't have any connections on the street anymore, but I always have the option of giving in and going back to my doctor for a prescription of suboxone... It's just so difficult to keep at it when feeling so bad for so long... Day 7 is supposed to be the hardest, but I'm only on day 4 and I'm ready to climb the walls. Any encouragement, tips, advice, etc. would be greatly appreciated!
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First off congrats on quitting,and welcome back!! Also I'm so sorry for your loss. Ok so you need to not look ahead. You say you "hear" day 7 is this worst,you can't go through your detox like that. You'll just drive yourself mad. Live each minute at a time,live in that moment and deal with each symptom as it comes. I know the no energy and little sleep is so hard,but pushing yourself is the best way to get this over with. Little walks,exercise if you're able to. Try not to sit around and be alone,it's awful on the mental state. So you're in a recovery program? Getting to as many meetings as possible is a really good thing too. Are you working right now? Family,or are you going this alone?
5783082 tn?1374177161
Yes, the suboxone program I was in is thankfully amazing. All of the counselors and my doctor are very supportive of me, I'm actually about to head down there now for a morning meeting. Thank you for reminding me... I know I need to take it one day, even one minute at a time, but I'm great about getting ahead of myself. I also have my husband supporting me, he's a non-addict, but very understanding. I'm a self employed artist, so I don't have to worry about work right now. I'm big on hiking, so that's what I'm going to try to do. I've been going to meetings, but last night, I couldn't even sit down my legs were getting so bad with RLS, so that's frustrating. I really appreciate the encouragement!
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I have some experience with subs.  I used them for a couple years.  What dose did you jump from?
5783082 tn?1374177161
I jumped from a half, so four mgs, which I know is kind of high, but it's as low as I could get.
5783082 tn?1374177161
Still could use some encoragement, haven't beena ble to even sit still to go to bed, so I'm feeling pretty awful.
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The RLS to me was the worst. I remember just crying to my husband. The other stuff I could deal with the the RLS was so miserable. I had it in my legs but my ar were even worse!! I will tell you though once that goes away even though it seems like it never will it is an awesome feeling. To just relax. Now what I did was get heating packs, the ones you put in the microwave and I got them as hot as I could stand them. I put those on my arms and that helped. I asked my doctor for some magnesium and calcium supplements (we are military so we get them for free but you can get those at any store obviously) and then I ate a thousand bananas a day. I also drank my greens twice a day for energy and more detoxing and such. I know this really ***** but I am telling you it is so worth it. You can totally do this!! I have 5 kids and I just kept thinking every time my heart beat it was getting cleaner and stronger for them. You can do this!! There are too many people on here who say it's worth it for it to be a lie ;)
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I've been dealing with RLS for three weeks now (prolonged from tapering).  It drives me friggin crazy but I have found a couple things that help.  I have it in my arms and legs, so the first thing I do is squats and push-ups, until I can't do anymore.  Than a hot bath with Epsom salts.  To bring the RLS down to a manageable state without contestant exercise I take Jamison Calcium with Magnesium and Euro-K 20, Potassium Chloride.  These relax your muscles.  If you want to go the prescription route ask you doctor for baclofen (a muscle relaxant) and clonidine which is really for high blood pressure but is also used for wd symptoms.  Congrats on 5 days clean!  Not sure about your comment about day 7 being the worst, all I see on here is that day 4 and 5 are the worst, so you may be over the hump.  Hope some of this helps you.  Good luck and stay strong!  Liz
5783082 tn?1374177161
Thanks guys! Right now I'm taking a breather in the middle of a 5 mile hike cause my legs were bothering me so much! Ill try some of what yall suggested! I love walking and hiking, so its really just at night, when I can't go out is the worst! Suboxone has a much less longer half life than things like roxy or morphine, so the worst day tends to be later is what I was told by my doctor, but I also had the benefit of not feeling that bad at all for the first three days, lol. The rls definitely got in my arms last night, even through my whole body, ugh. I hope and pray tonight is better! Thanks guys!
5783082 tn?1374177161
Having a rough morning today.... Got tremors and shakes bad today, and still can't get warm... Asking for prayer, positive thoughts, encouragement... It's day 9 fr me, today.
3197167 tn?1348968606
Sorry to hear you're having a rough morning.  You're right, the half life of subs is what makes them so hard to w/draw from.  You jumped at 4 mg, right?  And you're on day 9...woohoo you!!

It does takes about 21 days for ALL the sub to leave your system....so just keep doing what you're doing.  I was only on subs for 28 days at a 16 mg/day dose....I knew ZERO going on them (trusted my referring dr).... I jumped at 16 mg which tells you I also knew ZERO getting off of them!  LOL  I used a full length hot pad, fed my brain protein, took supplements, drank as much water and fluids as possible and kept my mind distracted.  I was DETERMINED to be free no matter what!
You're way ahead of the game compared to me.....with great support, meetings, and your ability to exercise!  Keep in goin girl.....you're doing GREAT and you'll get there!!
5783082 tn?1374177161
Thanks so much for the encouragement! It's been rough dealing with being inside my head, so I really needed to hear that! It just seems like a rollercoaster.... One minute I feel a little better, the next I feel worse!
Avatar universal
You are doing amazing!!!! It should let up here shortly. Keep hanging on cuz you are almost there girl!!! Praying for you!
3197167 tn?1348968606
Hey girl......it IS a rollercoaster ride!
If you want to see a flowchart that's typical of opioid recovery...check out a funny pic I put in a long time ago.  I think it's on the first page of my pics at the bottom of the page☺
4522800 tn?1470325834
Just wanted to stop by and give you a Hoot! You have come a long ways since day one. Keep in mind it will take time, but each day brings on a new one. We are here cheering you on all the way! I am proud that you are working your Recovery too! It works if you work and won't if you don't right? Hugs!
Avatar universal
I've tackled 16 days without these pills, and the mental battle now is worse than the beginning. Though this is my 2nd detox so each relaspe makes it harder right? Anyways I remember my first detox and thinking after 14 days I was physically and mentally good. 3 months after that were all good days w/o "PAWS"..  So you could be thinking this may last awhile but your actually closer to feeling good than I am!! If it's your first time detoxing, watch next week you'll be posting uplifting comments rather than the " what to do" comments that I'm currently posting lol. To me typing on here all day is better than thinking about your suffering. Anyways hope your day goes by fast and you continue with your road to TRUE happiness!! Take care
5783082 tn?1374177161
Thanks guys... Can't sleep right now, and reeeeeally been struggling with the shakes. It's been hard to breath today, with my asthma acting up, too, so please keep me in prayer... Is it normal to be so cold all the time while detoxing? Even when I'm up and moving around(like my 5 mile hike!) I was still freezing, like my core body temp can't stay up? This has been a hard thing for me because I'm already someone who can't tolerate being cold well, and then I'm sweating at the same time.
5986700 tn?1380791380
Hi sweetie...don't know you but thought I'd throw my support down there.  .....ready?....ugh!.......did ya catch it? Lol,.... lil tempt at humour....ya very lil, I know.  ..I'm rusty.  

I don't have experience with sub but I do hear that it can be a [email protected] journey in comparison to opys.....you're young, strong and determined with a bag of "learn as you live" trix.  Ahem...that's how I roll....."learn as you live"......I hope you prove better at it than I....hahaha.

I'm a couple of journey lengths older than you ....wish I had of used my "bag o trix" years ago....you know?,.....when I still could find my "marbles".

You've got boodles of awesome angel advice here...you'll get oodles more.  Just keep yourself mindful and present so that you can immediately switch to a different frequency when your head starts wanting to switch to that destructive low channel. ........

.....whoops "stinkin thinkin"...BAM,..change channel!  Lol

Holding you up in light, strength and peace ...((((8))))
5986700 tn?1380791380
Oh, forgot to mention...I'm an artist too....what do you do?
5783082 tn?1374177161
Thanks spider! I like that... like changing channels in your brain.

I do a little bit of all different stuff... paint, mostly sculpting, but lately i've been dyeing and painting shirts and clothes, making jewelry... whatever i get interested in at the time. I've even got an online shop.
What kind of art do you do? I'd love to see some!
5986700 tn?1380791380
Hey girl that sounds cool.....I do a little of everything myself !  I've got some pics in my profile of a few things ......I'd love to scope your online shop chickie. :o}
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