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Depression from Opiate Withdrawl
Everyone I have ever known or heard of that got off any opiates was left with severe depression. Is this a standard side effect and how long will it last and how is it best treated? My friend's nephew just went to an addiction doctor who gave him buprenorphine injections and other scripts to get off pain pills. When he asked about an anti-depressant the doctor said "no mood enhancers for addicts." This seems unusual to me.
The best thing one can do to deal with post opiate depression and withdrawal are the usual no brainers and many are free or inexpensive.
1. First, get PLENTY OF SLEEP. I had to take prescription sleep aids for a couple of days when I first stopped Vicodin. Sounds counterproductive but it was very effective. I quit the sleep aids within 3 days. I have 4 valedictorian degrees and found that I am actualy smarter than most doctors I have ever met and completely debunk alot of their myths about not taking any other meds.The emotional state and maturity level of the patient is the most important factor in deciding, not some stupid medical journal.
2. Next, get plenty of fluids especially freshly squeezed fruit and veggie juices nothing from a carton or can and preferably organic if you can afford it. The enzymes and phytonutrients will be amazingly instantly absorbed into your system and give you natural energy like you have never seen. Stay away from any kind of bottled drinks and coffee. Mild green tea is ok but not too much.
3. Take a really good professional Vitamin combo. Dr. Whitakers is ok and Douglas Laboratories makes some great combo packs to fit every body type. Natures Purest also makes one of the best combo packs in the world if you can afford it.
4. Exercise. If you are too weak to workout, bike, etc. Just walk around the block at least once a day. Before long you will be walking around the whole park or neighborhood.
5. Avoid TV, and the NEWS. They are horribly bad for the CNS. If you have to watch TV watch comedies not actions, drama, horror etc.
6. Meditate - Go to a meditation center such as a Zen Center or Yoga center that will help you refocus your inner energy into positive energy.
7. Get Massage - massage helps squeeze toxins out of your flesh. Massage is the next best medical alternative to exercise known to mankind. If you can't afford a pro go to a massage school - you can get some great interns for about $25 that are as good as many pros.
8. Therapy - someone to talk to never hurts.
9. Journaling - Journaling is a type of self therapy that will really help you get in touch with what you are going through. Many people have lived through death camps and the worst things imaginable by keeping a journal.
10. Prayer - Prayer is a form of healing meditation and you don't have to get religious at all. I created my own prayers that didn't use any dieties and didn't had no references to Church or anything else which made me feel great.
11. Nature watching and gardening- if you are in a place where you can watch bunnies, birds, squirrels, hummingbirds they help reconnect your natural balance to nature.
12. Engage in Positive Self Talk. Read the book "What to Say When You Talk To Yourself" by Shad Helmstetter. A real life changer if you actually read it from the start to the finish instead of just skipping around.
1. First, get PLENTY OF SLEEP. I had to take prescription sleep aids for a couple of days when I first stopped Vicodin. Sounds counterproductive but it was very effective. I quit the sleep aids within 3 days. I have 4 valedictorian degrees and found that I am actualy smarter than most doctors I have ever met and completely debunk alot of their myths about not taking any other meds.The emotional state and maturity level of the patient is the most important factor in deciding, not some stupid medical journal.
2. Next, get plenty of fluids especially freshly squeezed fruit and veggie juices nothing from a carton or can and preferably organic if you can afford it. The enzymes and phytonutrients will be amazingly instantly absorbed into your system and give you natural energy like you have never seen. Stay away from any kind of bottled drinks and coffee. Mild green tea is ok but not too much.
3. Take a really good professional Vitamin combo. Dr. Whitakers is ok and Douglas Laboratories makes some great combo packs to fit every body type. Natures Purest also makes one of the best combo packs in the world if you can afford it.
4. Exercise. If you are too weak to workout, bike, etc. Just walk around the block at least once a day. Before long you will be walking around the whole park or neighborhood.
5. Avoid TV, and the NEWS. They are horribly bad for the CNS. If you have to watch TV watch comedies not actions, drama, horror etc.
6. Meditate - Go to a meditation center such as a Zen Center or Yoga center that will help you refocus your inner energy into positive energy.
7. Get Massage - massage helps squeeze toxins out of your flesh. Massage is the next best medical alternative to exercise known to mankind. If you can't afford a pro go to a massage school - you can get some great interns for about $25 that are as good as many pros.
8. Therapy - someone to talk to never hurts.
9. Journaling - Journaling is a type of self therapy that will really help you get in touch with what you are going through. Many people have lived through death camps and the worst things imaginable by keeping a journal.
10. Prayer - Prayer is a form of healing meditation and you don't have to get religious at all. I created my own prayers that didn't use any dieties and didn't had no references to Church or anything else which made me feel great.
11. Nature watching and gardening- if you are in a place where you can watch bunnies, birds, squirrels, hummingbirds they help reconnect your natural balance to nature.
12. Engage in Positive Self Talk. Read the book "What to Say When You Talk To Yourself" by Shad Helmstetter. A real life changer if you actually read it from the start to the finish instead of just skipping around.
It is nice to see that people understand that after so many years of chemical imbalance, the body takes a while to find a base line. Endorphins are the chemical most afcted by opiate intake and exercising is really the best treatment for that. The other issue is that a large number of opiate dependent patient , liked the feeling of opiates in first place because is a numbing device. It does numb misdiagnosed depression, anxiety issues, stress and many other uncorfortable feelings that has to be properly assessed and treated.
Best of luck
Best of luck
Omega 3 fatty acids taken at 3x higher than reccomended the daily dose helps stabilize the brain. That's from a psychologist.
I have been abusing roxy n opana for over 4 yrs along with cocaine MDMA n a slew of other drugs. Detox just sux, period. I found l tyrosine helpful with the general malaise n b 12 for energy. I am also on lamictal ( anti siesure med with awesome mood stabilizing properties along with trazadone, an AD that promotes sleep as well. It's a hard road but possible. I'm I'n day 5...again. Relapse sux but sum ppl go thru it to beat it I'n the end. Bottom line, we didn't get here overnite n can't expect an instant healing. Just stay the course stay away from suboxone n subutex as they are harder to kick than opiates like roxy. Good luck n god bless.
this is the thomas withdraw
For the Recipe, You'll need:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper, Magnesium and Potassium (you may not find the potassium in the same supplement).
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Start the vitamin/mineral supplement right away (or the first day you can keep it down), preferably with food. Potassium early in the detox is important to help relieve RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome). Bananas are a good source of potassium if you can't find a supplement for it.
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.
During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.
At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.
Continue to take the vitamin/mineral supplement with breakfast.
As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
Thomas"
For the Recipe, You'll need:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper, Magnesium and Potassium (you may not find the potassium in the same supplement).
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Start the vitamin/mineral supplement right away (or the first day you can keep it down), preferably with food. Potassium early in the detox is important to help relieve RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome). Bananas are a good source of potassium if you can't find a supplement for it.
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.
During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.
At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.
Continue to take the vitamin/mineral supplement with breakfast.
As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
Thomas"
for 3 years i was tacking 10---20 percs or up to 25 7.5 vicodins a day and a couple oxys 40mg. tryied everything to quit and the only thing that helped was the thomas withdrawl recipe about 20 dollars of vitamins you can google it youll get a thousand hits on ot and it helps with loss of energy and depression. It is so simple to do. I guaraty it works without feeling like your going to die, just some leg cramps is the worst part but a HOT bath soak does the trick and the vitamins are wasy to find
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