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For those considering Weismann methos or other Rapid Detox...
Before I get into my story, please let me say this..... I beg you to think long and hard about undergoing Weismann.
I had the Weismann procedure done at the Garden Grove, CA facility in 2006. It was the most torturous thing I have ever gone through in my life. I am not discrediting Weismann or other rapid detox companies themselves as I was taken very good care of rather the concept is the issue...
I underwent many blood tests EKG's medical history forms and whatnot two days prior to the procedure. I was checked into the hospital the night before, and given a morphine drip to hold back wd's. I guess they do this so they can monitor my drug intake for 24 hours prior.
I was taken down to the ICU at 0900. I was given a mild sedative Versed while they made preparations.... I was inducted under anesthesia using propofol, and pancuronium, and another dose of Versed. I was intubated, and then given the injections.... I woke up somewhere around 1400 and I felt like my heart had been ripped from my chest.... I felt just downright aweful.....
I was transported back to the medical observation unit where I was given clonidine, ativan, and zofran.... To help with any "Residual wd's" as they call them....
I was discharged with a script for Revia four days later.....
I was miserable throughout my hospital stay.... Much worse than any ct that I have ever gone through.... Hell I ct'd off fentanyl far mosr comfortably than this...
The days to come were much much worse. I got home and All I could do was cry asking myself why I went through this miserable procedure. I was vomiting uncontrollably, stomach upset, chills, sweating, the works.... just seemed to all be amplified from any ct I have done before.
The real ***** was the PAWS.... It was unbearable, depression was constant, from time to time I would get rebound wd's, flashbacks.... bad news.
This went on for a year and a half and I finally sought help elsewhere.... I was diagnosed with Post traumatic stress disorder... believed to be brought on by the trauma my body underwent during rapid detox.
At the time I was in the medical field finishing my first year of Medical school.... I had tried NA, methadone, everything but I could never get through the wd stage. Psychologically, I was ok. I worked around the stuff all day, no cravings, but when those wd's came... damn. I mean still no cravings, but I just couldnt handle physically being sick like that with work and school.... Which is what brought me to Weismann....
I paid $14,600 for my treatment, and was left with misery. Please think long and hard before doing this guys.... You will still be an addict after its over, just a sicker one.
Oh btw, the PTSD and PAWS I couldnt take so I ended up relapsing again... this started everything back up. I am now on suboxone 1mg daily and decreasing. No wd's, no cravings.... Things are good.
Be careful everyone,
Henry
I had the Weismann procedure done at the Garden Grove, CA facility in 2006. It was the most torturous thing I have ever gone through in my life. I am not discrediting Weismann or other rapid detox companies themselves as I was taken very good care of rather the concept is the issue...
I underwent many blood tests EKG's medical history forms and whatnot two days prior to the procedure. I was checked into the hospital the night before, and given a morphine drip to hold back wd's. I guess they do this so they can monitor my drug intake for 24 hours prior.
I was taken down to the ICU at 0900. I was given a mild sedative Versed while they made preparations.... I was inducted under anesthesia using propofol, and pancuronium, and another dose of Versed. I was intubated, and then given the injections.... I woke up somewhere around 1400 and I felt like my heart had been ripped from my chest.... I felt just downright aweful.....
I was transported back to the medical observation unit where I was given clonidine, ativan, and zofran.... To help with any "Residual wd's" as they call them....
I was discharged with a script for Revia four days later.....
I was miserable throughout my hospital stay.... Much worse than any ct that I have ever gone through.... Hell I ct'd off fentanyl far mosr comfortably than this...
The days to come were much much worse. I got home and All I could do was cry asking myself why I went through this miserable procedure. I was vomiting uncontrollably, stomach upset, chills, sweating, the works.... just seemed to all be amplified from any ct I have done before.
The real ***** was the PAWS.... It was unbearable, depression was constant, from time to time I would get rebound wd's, flashbacks.... bad news.
This went on for a year and a half and I finally sought help elsewhere.... I was diagnosed with Post traumatic stress disorder... believed to be brought on by the trauma my body underwent during rapid detox.
At the time I was in the medical field finishing my first year of Medical school.... I had tried NA, methadone, everything but I could never get through the wd stage. Psychologically, I was ok. I worked around the stuff all day, no cravings, but when those wd's came... damn. I mean still no cravings, but I just couldnt handle physically being sick like that with work and school.... Which is what brought me to Weismann....
I paid $14,600 for my treatment, and was left with misery. Please think long and hard before doing this guys.... You will still be an addict after its over, just a sicker one.
Oh btw, the PTSD and PAWS I couldnt take so I ended up relapsing again... this started everything back up. I am now on suboxone 1mg daily and decreasing. No wd's, no cravings.... Things are good.
Be careful everyone,
Henry
My son really wants to give the rapid detox a go and we have looked at what we be closest for us and have found 2 in Detroit, Michigan. Has anyone heard of Clarity or MDS clinics in Detroit, Michigan.
He has tried everything to detox off of methadone!
He has tried everything to detox off of methadone!
Sorry for the typos, friends lol btw i am 29 and i was dependent for 6 years before I did this.
I just completed the weisman method in LA California with doctor cliford Bernstein. I was on 160mg of liquid methadone IV from my local methadone clinc, and was shooting Oxycodone 30mg IR by the hand full. So I was an heavy opiate user in deed.. I flew a diract flight from nashville tenn. to LAX airport, aprox 3hour and 50 min flight. When I arrive a limo driver picked me up from the air port and drove me to Chapman Medical Center and as soon as I was admitted they put me on a morphine pump that I could control with by button to keep the withdraws away. The next morning I was taken to the ICU and given 3mg of xanax and 50 mg of SEROQUEL and put under anesthesia. Gave me an high dose of Naltrexone woke up around 20 hours later feeling kinda crappy but any one who is put under is not going to feel like a million dollars when they come out.. After it was all said and done they put me back in my room. WARNING if you think you have gas, It is NOT gas my friend. They pump bout 5 bags of saline in you and it has to come out some where. After I was awake enough they took me to the Domus Retreat witch is pretty much a mansion. The first day I slept and didnt come out of my room. The second day I was feeling so so.. but the entire time they were giving me meds for my stomach, xanax 0.5mg to help with sleep and more seroquel and a few other light drugs to help with the discomfort. and of course Naltrexone By day 3 I was golden still a little bit of loose stool but not one withdraw symptom.. I exp slight fatigue.. The rest of the time I was fine. I enjoyed in house acupuncture, massage and yoga. We had our own chief and all the amenity of home.. My exp was awesome and Its had been 4 days sense i was was detoxed. and I was back to 100%.. I was there a total of 10 days and it was the BEST 22K I ever spent! If you are on methadone I think this is your best option considering how long acting it is. I've been home now for 3 days and im feeling awesome and my energy level is back to normal. 4/25/2013
My son did the rapid detox recently (June 2012). It is not what it is described to be. There is value in it, but it is NOT a pain/discomfort free detox at all. This is what they do. They put you on a morphine drip as soon as possible after you arrive (in order to delay withdrawal). Then they do some testing to make sure you can handle the anesthetic. The morphine drip remains for almost the entire first day. You sleep over night, then the next day they administer what they describe as a light sedative that knocks you out. While you are asleep they administer a high dose of naltrexone and a high dose of clonidine and a high dose of seroquel...intravenously.
According to most posts about opiate WD, it lasts about 72-96 hours. And the peak is from 48-72 hours. So...they give you enough naltroxone to detox you quickly, but they drop you (take you out of sedation) at about 65-72 hours. So you wake up at the peak of WD. That's the bad news. The good news is you do not experience a WD that is constantly getting worse. You experience a WD that is absolutely horrible, but gets better constantly. Also the WD is much shorter (24 to 36 hours).
There were four people who transferred from the hospital to the recovery (rehab) after the rapid detox. Not one of them experienced a pain/discomfort free detox. ALL were quite sick after the rapid detox. It's difficult to know how much of the pain/sickness is from WD and how much is from the after effects of the anesthetic. My son had hallucinations from the high dose naltrexone. He was in severe WD pain/anxiety for almost 48 hours. They had to have a diaper on them for a while after the anesthetic.
This was our experience with the rapid detox in Los Angeles. The patient care once you are transferred from the hospital to the rehab centre declines. Although the staff at the rehab take very good care of you, the doctoral care diminishes and you might not even be given clonidine, because according to them "you are not experiencing a painful detox." The doctors are in denial about the amount of pain and discomfort the patients have, as it contradicts their claim of a pain free WD.
If you can't get through a 96 hour WD, and this is the only way you think you can do it, then go for it. Although anyone's claim of a pain free/easy WD is a delusion. There is still value in this, since it is the ONLY way some people can get through it. I believe this WAS the only way to get my son through it. But expect pain, expect anxiety, expect to wear a diaper, expect the doctors to ignore your pain/anxiety. But hang in there for the 36 hours and get through it. Nothing else worked for my son BUT THIS. But know it does not work as described.
According to most posts about opiate WD, it lasts about 72-96 hours. And the peak is from 48-72 hours. So...they give you enough naltroxone to detox you quickly, but they drop you (take you out of sedation) at about 65-72 hours. So you wake up at the peak of WD. That's the bad news. The good news is you do not experience a WD that is constantly getting worse. You experience a WD that is absolutely horrible, but gets better constantly. Also the WD is much shorter (24 to 36 hours).
There were four people who transferred from the hospital to the recovery (rehab) after the rapid detox. Not one of them experienced a pain/discomfort free detox. ALL were quite sick after the rapid detox. It's difficult to know how much of the pain/sickness is from WD and how much is from the after effects of the anesthetic. My son had hallucinations from the high dose naltrexone. He was in severe WD pain/anxiety for almost 48 hours. They had to have a diaper on them for a while after the anesthetic.
This was our experience with the rapid detox in Los Angeles. The patient care once you are transferred from the hospital to the rehab centre declines. Although the staff at the rehab take very good care of you, the doctoral care diminishes and you might not even be given clonidine, because according to them "you are not experiencing a painful detox." The doctors are in denial about the amount of pain and discomfort the patients have, as it contradicts their claim of a pain free WD.
If you can't get through a 96 hour WD, and this is the only way you think you can do it, then go for it. Although anyone's claim of a pain free/easy WD is a delusion. There is still value in this, since it is the ONLY way some people can get through it. I believe this WAS the only way to get my son through it. But expect pain, expect anxiety, expect to wear a diaper, expect the doctors to ignore your pain/anxiety. But hang in there for the 36 hours and get through it. Nothing else worked for my son BUT THIS. But know it does not work as described.
I think a definative statement that rapid detox doesnt work is somewhat misleading, especially as my own experiences contradict that assertion. Perhaps it didnt work for you, in which case im sorry, but The Waismann method worked for me. I dont say its guarenteed, but a success rate of ( i seem to remember) 65% still clean after one year would seem indicative of working more often than not.
You are right about one thing though, i was still sick afterwards. But having minor physical discomfort ( weakness, bowel irritation) for a day or so afterwards as opposed to the sickness i had for years before really doesnt compare. My opinion is based on my own experience and as such, as far as im concerned, is irrefutable.
I was dependent on painkillers and suboxone for about seven years, i did the procedure 4 1/2 years ago and have been clean and happy since. feel free to draw your own conclusions.
You are right about one thing though, i was still sick afterwards. But having minor physical discomfort ( weakness, bowel irritation) for a day or so afterwards as opposed to the sickness i had for years before really doesnt compare. My opinion is based on my own experience and as such, as far as im concerned, is irrefutable.
I was dependent on painkillers and suboxone for about seven years, i did the procedure 4 1/2 years ago and have been clean and happy since. feel free to draw your own conclusions.
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