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Has anyone here gone inpatient to a hospital to detox? If you did, what was your experience? I am really struggling right now and thinking of checking in tomorrow morning.
I met with my therapist on Wednesday and she said insurance will only cover it for dual diagnosis. In other words really play up the depression part. The only thing that holds me back is I don't want to be held against my will which is what will happen if I play up the depression. I am sad, but not THAT sad. Mostly I just am really struggling with all that us going on and want to be clean if all this junk so I can start my life over. These drugs have screwed my life up unbelievably and I want to be done. With all my health issues, I know I can't go ct. I will only go to a hospital vs. rehab because I know I need IV hydration.
Anyway, I am just struggling and don't know what to do. If anyone has any hospital detox experience, please let me know...
Love you all my MH friends, you make all the difference in the world...
I met with my therapist on Wednesday and she said insurance will only cover it for dual diagnosis. In other words really play up the depression part. The only thing that holds me back is I don't want to be held against my will which is what will happen if I play up the depression. I am sad, but not THAT sad. Mostly I just am really struggling with all that us going on and want to be clean if all this junk so I can start my life over. These drugs have screwed my life up unbelievably and I want to be done. With all my health issues, I know I can't go ct. I will only go to a hospital vs. rehab because I know I need IV hydration.
Anyway, I am just struggling and don't know what to do. If anyone has any hospital detox experience, please let me know...
Love you all my MH friends, you make all the difference in the world...
I have detoxed both at home and at inpatient and inpatient is much easier at the thought of it I was afraid to go a fear of the unknown but after about 2 hours there felt like home everyone was so welcoming follow your heart good luck
thank you Mary for your response. It was good to hear from a possible court perspective. I know that my health and medication use will impact any decisions regardless.
I know we've both said this but fentanyl is such an evil drug. It should NEVER be used unless a patient needs comfort at the end of life. Putting young people with many years ahead of them on it is irresponsible and wrong. I hold myself responsible for taking it, but I really wish I would have known the extent of potential risks before I started it. If I would have known years ago this is how it would end up, I never would have put myself here.
It is interesting that there are two camps of thought, one that dr.'s are too afraid to prescribe opiates at the risk of their license and are not prescribing them enough to legit pain patients. And two that they are irresponsible in their prescribing and creating wd and detox problems in patients that have since become addicted and/or dependent. About 10 years ago I would have said the former, now I fully believe in the latter. I think any dr. that is treating chronic, round the clock pain managament patients should have to experience WD from a heavy duty opiate like fentanyl. I think they would think twice before prescribing it and more importantly fully explain the risks to the patient. If you have end stage cancer and have been told you have XX amount of time to live, fentanyl is an excellent option. However, if you are going to need to get off it at some point, there is no need for it. There are other options out there that should be used.
i still dont know what i am going to do. I woke up this morning thinking, that's it, I'm going. now I am having my hesitations. I just wish there was a magic wand to tell me the answer.
I know we've both said this but fentanyl is such an evil drug. It should NEVER be used unless a patient needs comfort at the end of life. Putting young people with many years ahead of them on it is irresponsible and wrong. I hold myself responsible for taking it, but I really wish I would have known the extent of potential risks before I started it. If I would have known years ago this is how it would end up, I never would have put myself here.
It is interesting that there are two camps of thought, one that dr.'s are too afraid to prescribe opiates at the risk of their license and are not prescribing them enough to legit pain patients. And two that they are irresponsible in their prescribing and creating wd and detox problems in patients that have since become addicted and/or dependent. About 10 years ago I would have said the former, now I fully believe in the latter. I think any dr. that is treating chronic, round the clock pain managament patients should have to experience WD from a heavy duty opiate like fentanyl. I think they would think twice before prescribing it and more importantly fully explain the risks to the patient. If you have end stage cancer and have been told you have XX amount of time to live, fentanyl is an excellent option. However, if you are going to need to get off it at some point, there is no need for it. There are other options out there that should be used.
i still dont know what i am going to do. I woke up this morning thinking, that's it, I'm going. now I am having my hesitations. I just wish there was a magic wand to tell me the answer.
I so remember thatbfeeling of wanting off everything, especially the Fentanyl. But by rushing it, you're not reallyndoing yourself any favors. My doctorsat that time didn't want me to come off the meds. Said my pain would be too much. But I at least wanted to try. I figured I could always go back on something.
I came off so many meds but the Fentanyl was the hardest both physically and emotionally. IfmI could have done a medical detox inpatient, I would have. I feel Fentanyl really damaged my body and I know some people will disagree but I feel it should only be used for end-of-life pain or other very serious pain.
I worked in Superior Court. (Different than family court but some things hold true.) Judges are supposed to be impartial but the truth is, they're human, too. I've seen judges subtly side with onevside because they fislik the lawyer. And it's possible a judg may have strong feelings one way or the other about addiction, (one judge had a recent past of alcoholidm and cocaine abuse. He tended to take it easy with people with addictions and would tr to get them into a program.. of course, not all judges are like tis. Most are probably impartial.
In your case, you seem to be addicted versus dependent. Some judges will understand the difference, others may not. If you're inpatient, you most likely could get permission to attend any court hearings. A letter from your doctor, therapist, etc., explaining you are being medically detoxed at your own request.
If I could have done an inpatient medical detox, I would have done it in a heartbeat. Fentanyl is very hard to CT off and it's hard to taper off as well. The key is you would have nurses an doctors oberseeing your detox. They wol?.uld be checking your BP, make sure you're hydrated and comfortable.
Getting off any drug, whetherndependent or addicted, is tough. But there are certain deugs, that are more challenging, like (in no particular order) 'Fentanyl, methdone, tramadol, etc.
I know you want to be off this yesterday :-) but slow and steady is the way to go.
I came off so many meds but the Fentanyl was the hardest both physically and emotionally. IfmI could have done a medical detox inpatient, I would have. I feel Fentanyl really damaged my body and I know some people will disagree but I feel it should only be used for end-of-life pain or other very serious pain.
I worked in Superior Court. (Different than family court but some things hold true.) Judges are supposed to be impartial but the truth is, they're human, too. I've seen judges subtly side with onevside because they fislik the lawyer. And it's possible a judg may have strong feelings one way or the other about addiction, (one judge had a recent past of alcoholidm and cocaine abuse. He tended to take it easy with people with addictions and would tr to get them into a program.. of course, not all judges are like tis. Most are probably impartial.
In your case, you seem to be addicted versus dependent. Some judges will understand the difference, others may not. If you're inpatient, you most likely could get permission to attend any court hearings. A letter from your doctor, therapist, etc., explaining you are being medically detoxed at your own request.
If I could have done an inpatient medical detox, I would have done it in a heartbeat. Fentanyl is very hard to CT off and it's hard to taper off as well. The key is you would have nurses an doctors oberseeing your detox. They wol?.uld be checking your BP, make sure you're hydrated and comfortable.
Getting off any drug, whetherndependent or addicted, is tough. But there are certain deugs, that are more challenging, like (in no particular order) 'Fentanyl, methdone, tramadol, etc.
I know you want to be off this yesterday :-) but slow and steady is the way to go.
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Thank you for the help !! I am going to look into that... Place sounds really good ....
Also I don't think playing suicidal is necessary then you will be locked in they are not allowed to let any one leave who admits they want to hurt themselves or others
Yes it does accept insurance I paid nothing there's a 15 dollar deposit that you get back when you leave in case you get stranded there its for transportation
Yes it is so much easier and I know Plymouth you can leave at any time and they make you very comfortable they med you correctly and its usually 7 days detox and there's a 10 day aftercare program that I suggest they have meetings all day which in detox is your choice to go or not but if you want the aftercare your best bet is to attend as many meetings as possible its close to Boston so about a 2 an a half hour ride but worth it they watch movies you have snacks in the unit and you get 3 meals a day and there's an alternate meal if you don't like what they have there's a salad bar and they have great councilors
thanks jesse,
how how long were you inpatient for?
were you able to leave at any time?
do you think it is signifcantly easier than dealing with detox at home?
I have been tapering off of fentanyl for the past 2 months or so. I was on megadoses of opiates 200 mcg of fentany patch and 240 mg per day of oxycodone. I am now down to just one 75 mcg fentanyl patch but I am miserable. The emotions of tapering this long is really draining on me and I know the hard part is yet to come, I don't know if I can do this on my own anymore.
thank you for your suggestions,
Phoenix
how how long were you inpatient for?
were you able to leave at any time?
do you think it is signifcantly easier than dealing with detox at home?
I have been tapering off of fentanyl for the past 2 months or so. I was on megadoses of opiates 200 mcg of fentany patch and 240 mg per day of oxycodone. I am now down to just one 75 mcg fentanyl patch but I am miserable. The emotions of tapering this long is really draining on me and I know the hard part is yet to come, I don't know if I can do this on my own anymore.
thank you for your suggestions,
Phoenix
I missed the custody fact all I can say on that is my children were involved in DSS because of my addiction and they closed the case do to the fact that I completed inpatient and received a completion letter but every state is different but any act of self help usually is good in there eyes good luck and do what ever you feel in your heart is right for you and your children
Also the emotional rollercoaster of detox is horrible all your bad and good memories come back to you in an overwhelming blur its hard the thing that got me the most with inpatient was the emotions after the detox and I was stuck there with strangers crying screaming and litter ally thinking I was going crazy but the strangers help you out cause everyone there is going through the same thing you are I seen you are from Connecticut I think if so its a bit of a travel but high point Plymouth mass is great
Yes phoenix I've gone to inpatient a couple times and my experience was pleasant as it could be they give all the meds you need unfortunately to get in you have to have a dirty urine so if your 5 days or more of opiates it already out of your system your just dealing with the afterlife but you could just take a small piece of a opiate to get in I'm not trying to promote a relapse but detox will set you up with all your after care as well as detox you you will barely know your sick after your off everything good luck
I think I may consider that. I am just having a really difficult time with everything emotionally. Last night was worse, today I am a bit better.
What about continuing to taper the Fentanyl.....doing all your nutritional supplements, etc. that you are doing and waiting to make a decision about inpatient until AFTER court? It's next week, right?
hun the courts cant fault you for having health issues in regards to deciding custody. if you are taking your meds as prescribed you are not an addict so that shouldnt be a problem either.
do you have any support? counseling, friends, do you get out of the house,
exercise, physical therapy, clergymen, support groups?
It would be best if you slowed down a bit. you have gone from very high doses of two powerful meds in only 2 months, no wonder you are tired and somewhat depressed.
I don't believe that going to a detox and claiming you are suicidal is in your best interest, sorry but I believe your husband would use that against you considering what you have told us about him.
do you have any support? counseling, friends, do you get out of the house,
exercise, physical therapy, clergymen, support groups?
It would be best if you slowed down a bit. you have gone from very high doses of two powerful meds in only 2 months, no wonder you are tired and somewhat depressed.
I don't believe that going to a detox and claiming you are suicidal is in your best interest, sorry but I believe your husband would use that against you considering what you have told us about him.
Thank you Vic,
I am tapering with a dr., The original prescriber, but I am going much faster than recommended. She wanted me to got 25 mcg per month and leave the Oxys until I was off the fentanyl but I of course rushed that. I am supposed to be at. 150 mcg of fentanyl and the same of oxy. I also "cut my sources" by leaving this dr. Because I was afraid I would never get off because she wasn't too supportive of my stopping pain meds. So, what I have left is what I have left.
I have quite a few patches because I never used all of them. Probably enough to do a slower taper for a month or so.
My problem is I am impatient and depressed with life so it is making everything extra hard to cope with. I don't know if it would be a positive or negative in the eyes of the court for me to go. My ex keeps telling me to go but I don't know if it is in my best interest or his. I told my attorney about my circumstances and she said the detox isn't bad but if the only way to go is if I make up suicide ideation then not to do it. I guess I should keep on plugging but I am hitting a rough patch.
Thank you for listening.
I am tapering with a dr., The original prescriber, but I am going much faster than recommended. She wanted me to got 25 mcg per month and leave the Oxys until I was off the fentanyl but I of course rushed that. I am supposed to be at. 150 mcg of fentanyl and the same of oxy. I also "cut my sources" by leaving this dr. Because I was afraid I would never get off because she wasn't too supportive of my stopping pain meds. So, what I have left is what I have left.
I have quite a few patches because I never used all of them. Probably enough to do a slower taper for a month or so.
My problem is I am impatient and depressed with life so it is making everything extra hard to cope with. I don't know if it would be a positive or negative in the eyes of the court for me to go. My ex keeps telling me to go but I don't know if it is in my best interest or his. I told my attorney about my circumstances and she said the detox isn't bad but if the only way to go is if I make up suicide ideation then not to do it. I guess I should keep on plugging but I am hitting a rough patch.
Thank you for listening.
Girl..I just do not know what to say here. First you are pushing so fast that you are dealing with some Bad Ash types of w/ds. Then you have all that Stress on top of this. I would try to just slow it down a bit Hun. You have every reason to be on this and Drs want you to be..So as far as Court that should not hurt. You are working with a DR to taper right??Your Choice to do this.
I will say that I sure do feel for you. I have a lot of time in and dealing with so many Crisis right now, I feel I am in Detox Again!! SO you just do what is right BUT I think you just have a Double Whammy on you right now. Maybe just slow it down a bit and try to let your Body/Brain adjust from each drop..I sure wish you the best..I sure can feel your pain in many ways..lol
Bless
PS I do have rehab experience..BUT I really think you are doing good.
I will say that I sure do feel for you. I have a lot of time in and dealing with so many Crisis right now, I feel I am in Detox Again!! SO you just do what is right BUT I think you just have a Double Whammy on you right now. Maybe just slow it down a bit and try to let your Body/Brain adjust from each drop..I sure wish you the best..I sure can feel your pain in many ways..lol
Bless
PS I do have rehab experience..BUT I really think you are doing good.
Thank you. Yes, out of all that I am down to a 75 mcg patch. The problem is that I am rushing to get off these meds. (For custody purposes it looks better if I am not on pain meds; and I will admit they change me -- make me tired all the time, cranky, etc)
I am pushing myself to get off ASAP. My goal is in 10 days. I am having a hard time dealing with all the psychological and physical symptoms of WD. I am really depressed with everything going on
I don't know what the answer is at this point...mostly I want off now but I do care how the courts would perceive an inpatient hospital detox... So difficult...
I am pushing myself to get off ASAP. My goal is in 10 days. I am having a hard time dealing with all the psychological and physical symptoms of WD. I am really depressed with everything going on
I don't know what the answer is at this point...mostly I want off now but I do care how the courts would perceive an inpatient hospital detox... So difficult...
hello there. in my opinion a hospital detox can be a great idea. i know about that angle of really playing up your depression to get in but i got to say if you need to go....... go.... do what you have to do. i am no expert but i believe the worst is a 72 hour hold and they usually do that say.... if you cut on yourself or something as long those lines.. the advantage to getting away for a shgort time under supervision far outway trying to do it on your own... in my opinion... however a good painful experience with a detox without does help some with a reminder.... i dont have a concrete answer but i know exactly how you are feeling. there are a lot of us out here. alot of us die from our addictions and at least for me it was an absolute fear of sickness. withdrawl, well heck who am i kidding i was in fear of everything..... i am pulling for you and just try to remember that you are worth a life free of addiction. you are worth love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodsess, faithfulness, self control... keep us posted
hun you have done excellent on your taper.
you are totally off the oxys?
down to 75 mcgs fentanyl?
why do you feel at this point you need to go?
you are totally off the oxys?
down to 75 mcgs fentanyl?
why do you feel at this point you need to go?
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