An Issue with Methadone Detox

[Under10mgs]

Currently on 11 mgs from 360mgs of methadone, I understand everyone to be all over the board on the subject of methadone detox. Syllamarin in high dose is counter productive for Hep C. One does not take into account that massive doses of any vitamin must be eliminated through the liver and even the vegetable capsules tend to overwork the liver. I am currently on Sam-E, a Vitamin supplement, a prostate formula, Vitamin D, clonodine and a diet of some red meat but a lot of   juice without sugars and vegetables with oil and vinegar for flavoring. However I am also on Klonopin 3 mgs and I am not foolish enough to attempt to come off methadone and a benzo simultaneously. I agree that protein and green vegetables are an aid but comfort food(s) like a Chicago Italian beef and a cup of coffee in decreasing amounts is also essential. However, fatigue is my most difficult symptom to overcome. Exercise is problematic at 60mgs but my daily walks with my dog help and I try to push the envelope on this. The FDA allows  methadone clinic to use generics and their dosage can vary from 2 mgs either way especially in liquid generic methadose *(Mallincrodt). In closing I agree that one must treat the individual as much as the drug. Thanks for your post.

[Under10mgs]

BTW I did a UROD and it almost killed me, I went to Hanoi for an Heantos detox, it did not work, and I watched my brother totally flip out on Ibogaine. I dislike greed in recovery.

[Under10mgs]

See I can't even tell the truth about that: I just went down to 11 mgs today. Wish fulfillment?
Exactly at 11mgs with a split of 6 mgs at the window and  5 mgs at the window, 3 mgs of Klonopin and nibble on a 2 mg Clonidine. And whoever said it, too many vitamin tend to clog the liver, have cut the coffee and the sugar but alas, I have drunk it since I was five-years old. I know it is not the best thing but the headaches I get do to a bicycling accident udring my clean time left me with severe headaches and the coffee detox would just aggravate things. We're all different. No more coffee at night any more and a lot of juice(w/out sugar) and water. Even the naive think massive doses of (milk thistle) can help the liver and Hep C but it just tends to clog things up. 40's and 50's jazz ballads help a lot more (not medically proven)

[Under10mgs]

There is no Dominatrix, Mn or is there? I was on methadone for far too long and strong westside of Chicago dope. Intelligence has nothing to do with getting off.
Thank you for your support

[Under10mgs]

  Thanks for your support. Fortunately I had 12 years and one retains the  wisdom despite what puffed 30 year veterans. Yes, the compromised liver is not helping and each detox gets more  difficult. During the  11.9 years I was clean off all drugs, I had to do nothing and good things just began happening: a probation officer for 7 years at the notorious 26th and California courthouse in Chicago adjacent to Cook County jail, on to University of Chicago's Writers Workshop, then Columbia's Film and Video where I graduated with an MFA with only 1 B out of 60 semester hours and two award winning documentaries. Within 2 weeks of graduation, an ad agency asked my partner to form a film company. It just happened, it was nothing I did but the leg work. All the creative was a gift.
   Congratulation on 57 days, I will offer no unsolicited advice.  Just stay sponsored,  go to meetings if you like them, and if don't go, it not me to judge. That's just the way I do it.
As to my length  in relapse, it has been 15 years of methadone with heroin and crack, heroin alone and  methadone and crack. Let's just say I was out there too long. I think people  on Blue tooth phones are talking to me and people on Ipods seem almost as isolated I was on dope.
I am kinder person to my dog, people, and watch my anger very closely. Like I told gnarly, the fatigue hit after I went from 22mgs to 19 and some days  are Ok and some aren't. Thanks for the your support, I owe a lot to people like you and others I have known in AA and out. If you get a chance, go to youtube and and listen to Sinatra's or Tony Bennet's version of The Best Is Yet To Come, it was a friend's of mine's favorite song as he was falsely accused of the theft of The Marlborough Diamond. For obvious reasons, I cannot talk to him but you can Google the heist. Some of that drama kept me out longer that I should  have been. I'll post my picture soon but is definitely not as nice as yours.

Thanks for  the support.
10mgs next Friday.

[Under10mgs]

There is no shame to the MD as when I was on 180mgs at another clinic, they would only raise me 5-10 mgs and  each time they raised me I would increase to another bag of heroin. At 10-11 bags of heroin per day of strong West Side Colombian dope, I got a message from Dr. Marc Shinderman, who lost his license due to his stupidity but not his lack of knowledge regarding methadone. He contacted me through alt.hardrugs and told me why don't you switch over here. He raised me 60 mgs  every 3 days until I got to 360mgs. Unfortunately methadone does not hit the receptor sites that I need; it is only heroin that did the trick. I stopped doing dope.
As for fatigue, yes, you are correct. When I cut from 22-19 the fatigue hit, trying to correct it with an occasional bag of dope at 15 mgs one or two times, it just messed up my detox schedule even worse. So that  is no longer an option. Thanks, Gnarly, I do hit a lot of meetings and  have enough people who have my back who pull me off Netflix. I did have 12 years  clean prior to this relapse, not a slip. One day on dope or 15 years, you better check out your program. I have survived many friends who never used like I did and died. I would prefer for The Big Guy to take to take me clean with all my flaws and all my good deeds.

[gnarly_1]

HI  and welcome to the forum ......well cudos to you getting your dose down.....shame on the clinic that allowed you to get it that high it is both unnecessary and counterproductive.....well you almost there you only heve a few mg left to go b/4 you can jump safely......the energy crash can hit anywhere below 20mg  for most it starts  wnen you take you last dose but many of our members are like you and notice it early ......methadone has its own set of rules it dosent follow the typical recovery rate of pills for most the no sleep and energy crash can take a few months to get past a lot has to do with both how high your dose was as well as length of time on it ....age also plays into recovery just know YOU CAN DO THIS you have came a long way I usually recamend a 3 in one vitamin calcium/magnesium/zinc supplement but am leary because of your hep C if you think it wont bother you 4 of them in the morning and 4 at dinner will reduce the withdrawals you will feel ....your going to have to make the call on your hep C ask your doctor because these vitamins are lacking after using methadone and only make the withdrawals harder the big issues will be sleep and the energy crash expect about 2 to 3 mo of this being a factor it took me a good 90 days to start to feel like there was hope
I wish you all the best with your recovery keep posting for support the next few week will be tuff the lower the dose the harder it gets to do but it is doable I came off a 6 1/2 yr habit at 150mg and made it so dont loose faith we have members that have had 25yr habits and kick it all boils down to perseverance and discipline and you have already proved you have both good luck and God bless.......Gnarly        

[Methsuxbad]

Hello and welcome to the forum...I have little knowledge on hep c but recently detoxed off methadone...57 days clean today.  Congrats on your taper so far 360 to 11 is no small feat!!!  Sounds like youre doing well with your diet and are taking vitamins.  Have you checked out the "thomas receipe"? Go to health pages on bottom right(not sure if you can take all with hep but maybe someone will come along with more info) Im no expert but can share my experiences and the info and tips that were passed along to me.  Lack of energy and insomnia are the most common complaints with methadone detox.  Just be prepared for a long recovery, both the energy and sleep take a while to come back and you were on a very high dose- 60-90 days is realistic but it does get better slowly..theres a member named "Gnarly 1" who seems to be the most helpful in this area he's usually on in the evening im sure you'll hear from him soon. He suggested drinking 1-2 whey protein shakes a day during the first 30 days..exercise as much as possible, positive attitude goes a long way. I cut out all caffine  and limited sugar during the first 6 or so weeks and I still limit it as much as I can it really effected me as far as anxiety and sleep were concerned. How long have you been on the methadone?

[dominosarah]

How long have you been on Methadone?