Starting Suboxone

[ufindme2008]

I started Sub treatment this past Friday.  I was given directions on how to begin the treatment by my Dr.  I found that after taking the first 8mgs that I couldnt take anymore that evening.  They wanted me to get 3 pills in that first day but I was/am getting to high off just 8 mgs and so I cant take anymore than this without feeling like Ive been given a shot of demero/morphinel.  After taking just a half pill (4mgs) I feel like I did when Ive had surgeries, lying in the hospital and receiving pain shots.  Also, just like when taking my DOC (vics) I couldnt urinate real well, Im experiencing this on the Sub.  Yes, the good thing is that Im not experiencing any W/D from the vics but I dont feel right on this either.  I am going to call the Dr. tomorrow but I was wondering if anyone has gone through an experience like this when starting Sub?  I thought you werent suppose to feel high.  I feel high and somewhat shakey as well.  Is this just the side effects of starting Sub till it gets in your system?  Im not sure what to think.

Thanks,

Ellen

[Lynn79]

Doctors start everyone on too high a dose of this stuff, which is WAY stronger than most opiates.  Most people stay out of withdrawal with only one 2mg pill every morning.  If I were you, I would seriously drop down to 2mgs the next time you take it, and I bet you won't even feel a difference.  You will probably feel much better, and just feel "normal."  And like Ga Guy implied, if used properly, Sub does have very little withdrawal.  It is because doctors start people on 16 mgs and then their bodies get used to having so much, that the withdrawal is horrible.  But the key is to use as little as possible to minimize the withdrawal, and begin tapering immediately.  After two weeks, the Lortab is completely out of your system, and so is the Suboxone.

[avisg]

Fefusing good post !!!!! There is both good and bad experiences with sub everyone here is welcome to express there experience .Sub has pros and cons all of which are welcome here .

[refusingbondage]

I agree with Avis. She absolutely needs to discuss with her doctor to adjust her dosage.  

I have to say to coachdrew and ga guy
why on earth would people give their opinions and share their experiences and lie about them.  I am tired of people saying that those of us who have had a negative experience with suboxone dont know what we are talking about, are lying, or have no experience with it.  I have personal, first hand, INDIVIDUAL, experience with suboxone.  Long term use and withdrawal off of it.  Why would I lie about that.. I didnt become a member of this site until trying to stop my suboxone treatment.. which I was able to do with a lot of strength and the support of people on this site.  And the mere fact that you can pull old posts, new posts etc and see both PRO and CON experiences regarding sub shows you that this site and forum allows all people to express their opinions.. I posted a question in the beginning of my sub withdrawal at a different site a pro suboxone site where I thought I could get good advice from, which I will not name, and because I asked why my w/drawal was so bad (not being negative, but concerned about myself), my post was immediately taken down and I was sent a private email from their 'doctor' telling me basically that he "looks at people who claim to have w/drawal from quitting suboxone the same way he looks at people who claim to get high using advil - he listens but he just doesnt buy it."  Obviously if you are running a site and only allowing questions and posts that fit with your views, then your running a biased site.  I read lots of positive suboxone stories on this site.  None of them are taken down and I BELIEVE every one of them.  Different reactions from different people.  Some will struggle more than others.  

One cannot give an absolute regarding what withdrawing off of suboxone will be like. There are No absolutes with anything.  However it must be taken into consideration that withdrawal from sub can be hellacious because for some of us it was..  My Documented proof is that Ive detoxed off of every opiate around exccept methadone (from H to Oxy) and Suboxone was the WORST of the worst for me.  There is my documented unbiased proof.  However I am open and honest enough to know that is MY experience. Not everyones.  Nor do I claim it will be. And another thing - just because someone has an MD next to their name doesnt make them all knowing.  My suboxone doctor who I LOVE and who I believe is a great doctor has an MD next to his name -at our last appointemnet hugged me and promised little to zero withdrawal.  I found this site on day 11 or so because I was so sick and in such terrible withdrawal I thought something was wrong.   So yes, he was a great doctor.  And Yes he knew how to dose properly and I truly believe had my best interests at heart, but he wasnt ALL KNOWING when  it came to the aftermath.  How could he be?  I dont fault him for that though.  Sorry for this long post.  I just want to stick up and validate a little what some of us are trying to caution re suboxone.

[avisg]

She NEEDS to be asking the doctor that prescribed her sub that knows her and her medical history !!!!

[flmagi]

I've been on Sub for almost a year now along with both my sisters being on Sub too. Was addicted to Vics & Percs for about 4 1/2 years.
Everyone is different in how they seem to handle Sub and what the best dose is for them. It definitely sounds like your dose is way to high for you and you'd be much better off taking about 1-2 mgs daily.   The lower your dose, the better off you are in the long or short run.
I would suggest taking your daily dose in one dose in the AM, for 2 reasons......you need to break the habit of taking pills throughout the day, and Sub has a long half life, so you don't really get the ups and downs like with pain pills (unless your taking to much Sub & it's getting you high).
Good luck to you.

[CoachDrew]

My only advice to you is to post your question to Dr. Junig in the "Ask A Doctor" Addiction Forum.
He can tell you what you need to do. Plus he is very quick to respond to your question.
Also, while you can get some encouragement and some good advice at times, you can also get some people who are very quick to give their "OPINIONS" that are not based on any first hand experience, like with Suboxone. And, their are a few to give their opinions and will be validated by others because they have a history on this site together.

As a matter of fact this is my first post and after going reading alot of posts on this site there are a few people I skip over.

Ga Guy gives alot of good advice that is very well articulated and thought out. It's an S.E.C. thing I guess.
Good Luck and go post your question to Dr. J....................Drew.